YTSEJAM Digest 2758
Today's Topics:
1) Re: kansas and violinists NDTC
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
2) prog violinist
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
3) Rudess.
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
4) Tage List Problems
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
5) Marketability and stuff...
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
6) Awake bass..
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
7) While we can appreciate
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
8) FUCK YOU!
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
9) Concert Dates ???
by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
10) Re: Al wants what?!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Spawn Soundtrack
by eckie@asu.edu
12) YOU WILL DIE!
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
13) I have an idea...
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
14) DT content!
by nightcast@usa.net
15) Uh.
by Laussade@aol.com
16) Re: WDADU
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) Poor song writing Vs. Good song writing
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
18) Why is Al B. still on this list?
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:13:29 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: kansas and violinists NDTC
Message-ID: <v01520d00aff17af6b06e@[205.134.227.214]>
"Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> wrote:
>Love it. Love them all. Just bought a new live one called Dust in the
>Wind from the EMI-Capital
>Live Series for $5.99. Steve's voice is bad, but the band jams.
I still like "Live at the Whiskey", good album. Steve's voice has gone down
hill these days because he is getting older.
>For more violin prog try Mathmaticians, Boud Deun, Thanks to Gravity
>and, of course Dixie Dregs.
And also Mahavishnu Orchestra, Deus Ex Machina, Univers Zero (This is very
dark) and Jean-Luc Ponty!!
AE
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:20:01 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: prog violinist
Message-ID: <v01520d01aff17d0b2dd0@[205.134.235.62]>
I forgot another killer prog violinist. He is Eddie Jobson from UK.
Thanks!
AE
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:27 -0700 (MST)
From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rudess.
Message-ID: <19970715193123.AAA10416@localHost>
some one said:
>This got me thinking...wasn't Jordan Rudess the guy who filled in
>for DT at the very beginning of the Awake tour before they found Derek?? If
>so, why the fuck didn't they keep him?!?!
According to J.R. he decided to go out and tour w/ the Dregs instead.
You can go to his web site and read it for yourself.
http://www.bway.net/~jordan/index.html
Later,
eD
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:35:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam)
Subject: Tage List Problems
Message-ID: <199707151935.OAA18655@tundra.winternet.com>
Some have posted problems subbing to the Savatage List.
The list went down a few times in the last week, please try
resubbing.
If you have more problems contact tommy@tkl.com
Nathan Bradley
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:35:41 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Marketability and stuff...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970715153541.007bbc90@nh.ultranet.com>
Hey all...
I just got this last post and I wanted to take a light shot at it. Please
note: The author of this passage listed below put question marks after his
controversial sentence to protect himself : )
Here goes:
> to keep their major deals, because of the public's fascination with
> "groove" and "image" rather the "melody" and "talent".
What's wrong with groove? I remember a recent interview with one of the
members of DT saying that they didn't groove enough, and that's what
they were going to do on this next record. Does that mean DT
has...[swallows] SOLD-OUT?????
Now my response:
Okay, okay... My last post was about marketability too, bad you have to
admit: I&W sold because of Pull me Under.... Awake sold because of a loyal
fan base and the same with ACoS... DT knows this! That's why they have
come up with a more marketable group of songs, BUT in no way have they SOLD
OUT. Selling out is changing your style of music. DT will always KICK
your ass when you listen to it, DT will still amaze the shit out of you
when they play, and DT will not cut their hair! (except DS..he doesn't
count in that case..) DT will always rule!
To narrow down what I just wrote: It'll still be progressive, it'll still
be hard and soft (that's the DT style) and it'll still be fun to listen to,
but it'll groove more. Latas...J
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:43:27 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Awake bass..
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970715154327.007c2c70@nh.ultranet.com>
Someone wrote:
man..what kind of cd players you guys have?? ..the bass is clear in
awake...maybe the parts when its harder to identify are in CiAW,mirror
and lie,but for the rest of the album its easy to spot,and its very
clearly there...as for I&W, its a little harder..but its still there and
you can hear it clearly...ACos is really bass heavy, with the contrast
of mike's drum..
The mixing on Awake was great! The bass is fantastic, if you don't think
so you should get a good system... Today's music isn't meant to be listened
to on anything cheap.
The only thing I hate about JM is the sound on the Awake in Tokyo Vid.
The string slapping is annoying, but other than that, his playing rocks!!
I think that before you make a determination of the sound on Awake, you
should listen to it again, on a better system than the one you have! : )
If you still think it's aweful... In my opinion you're wrong still, but
that's my opinion... lol... Lata, J
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:45:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: While we can appreciate
Message-ID: <199707151945.OAA04803@enteract.com>
Hmmm.
I really thought Mike Bahr's post on good/poor songwriting was interesting, but isn't
this just sort of like writing a book on how right your opinions are? I mean... good and bad
songwriting is at the optical nerve of the beholder, when it comes to music.
I have long categorized things the way Mike does there... songs that you never get
tired of (Metropolis, To Live Forever, Monument (Fates)) and songs that you can't stand after
a couple of months. It's really a good way of judging songwriting, for yourself. But a lot
of people dig music that you no longer do... for me, I'm just getting into the Police now, and
I know a lot of people can't stand em. I know Jacob's Ladder is my second favorite Rush tune
right now...
So it's an interesting concept, but not really valid on a wider spectrum. That's what
I think, anyways.
Take care!
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:50:02 EDT
From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FUCK YOU!
Message-ID: <19970617.044014.7799.0.george.farber@juno.com>
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p.s. hugs and kisses
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:37:37 -0500
From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Concert Dates ???
Message-ID: <199707151937.OAA07590@lotus.dnaent.com>
I will be in San Diego from September 14 - 17, does anyone know of any good
concerts in or near San Diego (2-3 hours away) during that time period??? I
am especially interested in any Spock's Beard dates. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Al wants what?!
Message-ID: <199707151956.PAA17701@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> At 01:57 PM 7/14/97 -0700, Al wrote:
> > The highest for me is only $25, but I'm willing to pay $60 for,
> > you guessed it........THE DANCE OF ETERNITY!!!!!! dammit, if
> > anyone knows how I can get it, LET ME KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> Anyone that's been here more than 2 months knows NOT TO TRUST AL IN TAPE
> OR CD TRADES!!! Just ask Pat. What is it...two years now, Al? Why don't
> you pay 'im, you boob?
>
> _enoPuL ecniV_
>
Did I say anything about trades, you dick?
I didn't think so.....I merely asked that if anyone knows where I
can get the DoE *CD*, to let me know so I can get it......
Here's a suggestion......
- do you know me personally?
- have I done anything for you?
- does anything I do affect you?
I didn't think so............
Until then, I suggest minding your own business and keeping
your random tirades to yourself, or someone who might give
a shit.......
wow, my first flame.........feels kinda good.......and I still
kept some DTC.
Anyway, if someone knows where I can purchase THE Dance of Eternity,
please let me know..........
If anyone feels the need to reply, E-mail me privately....
-- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:57:07 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Spawn Soundtrack Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970715125318.16250A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Sorry for the non-DT content here. Yeah, I know, it's rare.
I got wind that Kirk Hamster of Metallifriggin'A is doing guitar work with Prodigy on the Spawn movie soundtrack. Could somebody confirm or (PLEASE) deny this? It doesn't really sound like something Kirk would do, but hell, anything's possible nowadays.
Back to yer regularly scheduled slightly DT related diet
~Eckie
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:59:33 EDT From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YOU WILL DIE! Message-ID: <19970617.044946.7799.4.george.farber@juno.com>
You will die Now or later it doesn't matter Dream Theater isn't a very good band... They try too hard...use all theory and no hard no-brain stuff WHAT THE FUCK?
oh yeah... FUCK YOU!!! and othher stuff that may be semi-related.
p.s. hugs and kisses
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:02:37 EDT From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I have an idea... Message-ID: <19970617.045251.7799.5.george.farber@juno.com>
let's just stop talking about all this music crap... what the hell is Dream Theater doing on a freakin' DREAM THEATER LIST? just a simple question... DIE! and stuff...
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:00:22 From: nightcast@usa.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT content! Message-ID: <ww01-BgouaV2139@netaddress.usa.net>
Hey, I noticed a little while ago that DT had an interactive demo, although I was pretty dissappointed when I saw it.. But I have this idea.. Most of the 'jammers are technophiles to some extent or another.. I'd like to know people's thoughts on making a multimedia CD on DT.. Not something I personally would be making, but perhaps something all of the jammers could contribute on that we could then send to their record company and have included on a future DT CD. Be curious to know others' thoughts and ideas. Include stuff like .AVI format of their videos, perhaps some interviews, D-man's own FAQ...? Perhaps some other goodies.
I'm also looking to get some DT bootlegs.. I've got all of Mike Bahr's so something beyond that would be cool.. (okay, so I admit I only have about 5 non-Bahr bootlegs..) E-mail me private for these please.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Uh. Message-ID: <970715161350_1479886775@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Jewel has crunchier guitars than 311. :P How many times have you heard the word "alternative" in mainstream press in regards to music as opposed to "metal" or even rarer, "progressive"? ****** So....if somebody called Carcass alternative, they wouldn't be heavy anymore? Just because it's alternative doesn't mean it's not heavy.
****** I'm all for new experiences 'n what not, but every damned techno remix of Metallica ****** Hey now. Techno RULES. BTW, where'd you hear a techno remix of Metallica? I'd be interested to hear that.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: WDADU Message-ID: <199707152024.QAA01808@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Trevor wrote:
> I definately think it could and should be remastered. > > Discuss. >
Wasn't this re-mastered already? I thought I heard something about it either being remastered or reissued or something....
-Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:41:41 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Poor song writing Vs. Good song writing Message-ID: <33CB7004.FB554F45@algonet.se>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:37:50 -0700 (MST) > From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Will the new album suck? Likely it will NOT. > Message-ID: <199707150637.XAA15558@goodnet.com> > > Does my argument hold water? I want to present for you some > examples for your digestion of similar types of songs, with one example > being what I consider "good songwriting" and one being what I consider > "poor songwriting". See if you can tell the difference. You may want to > listen to the tracks in question. > > Good: Metallica "And Justice For All" > Poor: Metallica "The Outlaw Torn" > > Try to ignore for a moment the fact that Outlaw is from Load, > because it's one of the tracks from that album that is most like their > former works anyway. Both are long-format "power-anthem" types of songs. > And both have their hooks, from "Winning is all... find it so grim, so > true, so real!" to "And if I close my mind in fear, please pry it open". > Both have long instrumental intros, and both have long instrumental > outros. What is the difference? Listen closely to the way the songs are > crafted. The lengths of each section in AJFA seem to be almost a bare > minimum as you listen, and you yearn to hear more of the song, even though > it's nearly ten minutes in length. The intensity and fury is communicated > in the way the licks and riffs are written and arranged. Even the end of > AJFA is a furious instrumental thematic halt, while TOT just sort of fades > away (I _hate_ it when songs do that, generally speaking). I don't want to > point out too much more and spoil it, but listen closely to both. They're > both decent songs, but you can hear how AJFA is the better written song. > It just takes on a will of its own and practically thrashes for itself. > TOT at times just never becomes more than notes in a measure. See if you > can tell why AJFA is good songwriting and TOT is poor songwriting. I think you can't really judge The Outlaw Torn since the version found on Load is a shortened version. The full version (about 15 minutes) is supposed to be released as a B-side to some single.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:40:35 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Why is Al B. still on this list? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970715164035.00efca80@pophost.fore.com>
>> Anyone that's been here more than 2 months knows NOT TO TRUST AL IN TAPE >> OR CD TRADES!!! Just ask Pat. What is it...two years now, Al? Why don't >> you pay 'im, you boob? >> > > Did I say anything about trades, you dick? > > I didn't think so.....I merely asked that if anyone knows where I > can get the DoE *CD*, to let me know so I can get it...... > > Here's a suggestion...... > > - do you know me personally? > - have I done anything for you? > - does anything I do affect you? > > I didn't think so............ > > Until then, I suggest minding your own business and keeping > your random tirades to yourself, or someone who might give > a shit.......
This is bullshit. If Al ripped off Pat in a trade, why is he still on the jam? At least Jeremy Haynes had the brains to disappear when he ripped us off. Al, you seem to know that you owe Pat tapes, yet you ignore it. This thread comes up every month or so, and we all have to be reminded that you just don't care about completing trades. You should not be on this list at all. I'd rather deal with talks about politics and religion, than have to share this list with someone who knows they ripped a 'jammer off, but doesn't care enough to rememdy the situation.
KAI
ps. Scott, your tapes are still in progress.
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