YTSEJAM Digest 2759
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Kansas Tribute
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
2) What the?
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
3) Ooooooh.
by Laussade@aol.com
4) Review of the QR 7/11 and 7/12 shows.
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
5) "loosers"
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Metallica, NDTC, and HELP!!
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
7) Peruvian Skies
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
8) Re: Awake bass..
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) Re: Why ?
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
10) Re: Uh.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Re: WDADU
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) The Saga of Al Balkiewicz
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:48:50 +0000
From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kansas Tribute
Message-ID: <1343137422-12551852@hutman.com>
> From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
>
> Also got the tribute cassette. While the bands play all the notes, there
> is just no feeling to the songs whatsover.
> ------------------------
> Hey, I'm a big Kansas fan, too, but I haven't heard of *either* of these
> recordings. What is the tribute album called, and where can I find it?
> I thought that Kansas was probably next-up in the Magna Carta tribute series.
No, this isn't a Magna-Carta release. it's called "People of the
Southwind - A Tribute to Kansas" and it contains 60 minutes of bands
& collaborations performing some great Kansas tunes. It's on tape and
it's only $2 for about the next 48 hours, then it'll go up to $4. It
can only be ordered direct from us.
Except for Trevor's review, we've had ALOT of positive response
about the tribute, and copies have even gone out to some band members
themselves.
I also have the Clockwork CD EP "Search" for $8. Anybody who has it
already can attest to the fact that this is pretty much essential
listening. It's a no-brainer for fans of DT, Shadow Gallery,
Helloween, etc.
And of course, we still have the "DREGs of the Internet" compilation
of progressive rock & metal bands. It's 72 minutes on CD for $12.
For more info, email me at DREG@hutman.com, or better yet, visit our
web-site for info, audio-clips and an order form at the URL listed
below.
-steve
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DREG Records homepage:
http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
New & Improved Progressive Rock
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:45:56 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What the?
Message-ID: <199707152045.AA20640@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
durnik:
>Good: Rush "Leave That Thing Alone"
>Poor: Rush "Jacob's Ladder"
You must be joking? Especially when you say this:
>Why, then, does LTTA age _far_ better than JL ever did?
JL has always been a great Rush song to me, and always will be. To say
that LTTA has aged better is ridiculous. One is 5 years old, the other i
17 years old. Can we say apples and oranges. Try comparing songs on one
album and the next, and that would help support your DT argument. For
instance:
Good: Something for Nothing
Bad: I Think I'm Going Bald
Songs from the consecutive albums in the same stage of the band's
development. But JL to LTTA is like comparing two different bands.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ooooooh.
Message-ID: <970715164703_1546544208@emout05.mail.aol.com>
I've heard this argument from Metallica fans, Queensryche fans, and even
Megadeth fans back when CtE was considered a sell-out. Look at the numbers
here. Conveniently, these bands just happened to have a sudden affection
for what happened to be popular at the time.
****
Oooh. Unsub him, Skadz! He brought up M*t*ll*c*!!!!!! I can still talk about
Megadeth, though. 1st of all: Why would any of these bands NEED to sell out?
They've already got more money than you can count. The only other reason
somebody would sell out is to get people to like them...you yourself are
proof against that reasoning. Many many many people liked all three band's
previous sounds. Why would they purposely alienate their fan base? They've
got the money already. Besides the fact that it's stupid to say that CtE,
Load and HitNF sound exactly like 'popular' music, there's just no reason for
them to have sold out. It would be pointless.
*****
his is why Hero
of the Day sounds like the Smashing Pumpkins and Sign of the Times is right
out of Everclear's latest album. Flame away.
*****
How would you know what Everclear sounds like? Do you listen to them? OOH!!!!
OOOOH!!!!! ADAM'S AN ALTERNACRAP LOVER! Adam and alternative sittin' in a
tree...SKULLFUCKING EACHOTHER TILL THEY BLEED! Why do they put green fuzz on
tennis balls, anyhow? Sheesh.
*****
I'd much rather see a band have a god complex and put out better writing and
performance (not that this guarantees this, before you jump all over me)
than a band that says things like, "Well, our goal was never about being
famous."
*****
Egotistical bands that write good original music don't bother
me...egotistical bands that sound like other bands do. And no, that doesn't
guarantee that...Type O Negative is a good example. They think they suck, but
write incredible music. :) And, it's already a given that no matter what a
band says..they wanted to get famous. <grin>
****
No, you're not the only one. Al and Pat should be in the FAQ! :)
****
Hahahaha. They can be made an example of in the trading section.
****
Does that mean DT
has...[swallows] SOLD-OUT?????
^^^^^^^^^^^
Whoa. Really? Do I have to pay extra for that?
*****
You will die
Now
or later
it doesn't matter
Dream Theater isn't a very good band...
They try too hard...use all theory and no hard no-brain stuff
WHAT THE FUCK?
*****
A: If this is serious, that wasn't funny, it was annoying.
B: If this is a joke, that wasn't funny, it was annoying.
*****
oh yeah...
FUCK YOU!!!
and othher stuff that may be semi-related.
*****
C: Shut up.
*****
let's just stop talking about all this music crap...
what the hell is Dream Theater doing on a freakin' DREAM THEATER LIST?
*****
D: Shut the FUCK up.
E: G'bye.
Pat Daugherty's love slave.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:08:58 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Review of the QR 7/11 and 7/12 shows.
Message-ID: <113A23EBF1F6D011B8A90060971611D53245@BUDLITE>
I thought I'd post this to the Jam in case anyone was
interested in a review of the show(s) on QR's latest tour.
Bogie
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Review of the Alpine Valley (East Troy, WI - 7/11)
and World Music Theater (Tinley Park, IL - 7/12)
Queensryche shows
by Nick Bogovich
Let me first start off by giving you the set list.
They were the same for each night, but the song
in parentheses was included(!) at the World Music
Theater:
Introduction
The Voice Inside
Get a Life
Empire
Jet City Woman
You
Spreading the Disease
The Mission
I Am I
Damaged
Reach
Bridge
Another Rainy Night
Take Hold of the Flame
The Lady Wore Black
Hit the Black
Silent Lucidity
I Remember Now
Anarchy-X
Revolution Calling
Breaking the Silence
I Don't Believe in Love
Eyes of a Stranger/Anarchy X-tra
(Walk in the Shadows)
Sign of the Times
Some People Fly
That's right! Queensryche finally played a tune from
the beloved 'Rage for Order' album! And quite well I
might add. First, let me brag about how well the band
performed these two evenings.
The Alpine Valley show was the first time I was able to
see the 'Journey Into the Now Frontier' Tour. So,
throughout the evening, I was attempting to make
comparisons between this show and the last time I saw
Queensryche, which was on March 26, 1995, in Rosemont, IL.
After the show, I realized that it was wrong
for me to make comparisons between the two shows - they
conveyed different moods. The 'Road to Promised Land'
tour was more of a story, whereas the 'Journey Into the
Now Frontier' tour is more of a 'Hey, let's just kick
it back and jam!' type of tour. And jam Queensryche did!
Because the band is usually tight from show to show and
you know what to expect from them musically, I will list the
highlights from the shows and the things that were
unexpected from the band:
* The set was excellent - the 2 big screens were incorporated
into a jar and an ear. Geoff joked about how "The ear was
something left over from Mike Tyson."
* The lights were also incredible, especially during Spreading
The Disease, Damaged, and Anarchy-Xtra. The lights really
coordinated with the music. (Not that I wasn't expecting this
from them, but it just had to be mentioned!)
* Although I've heard complaints during earlier shows in this
tour about how Geoff was "losing his range", he would have
proved all of those claims wrong during these two shows. At
Alpine Valley, he hit all but one high note during the concert,
the very, very high note in the opening to Take Hold of the
Flame. On Saturday, Geoff even hit that note. Sorry you
doubters out there, but Geoff's voice is just as strong as it
has been in the past. He even crushed all of the high notes
in Walk in the Shadows!
* During Revolution Calling, near the end, Geoff now asks,
"But don't you admit, aren't you tired of all this shit?"
The crowd seemed to agree with a lot of screaming!
During this tune at the World, Geoff seemed to slipped up the
last pre-chorus by beginning to sing, "I used to think that
America's way" when he should have sung "I used to trust the
media". He caught his mistake quickly and sang, "I used to
think that America tells us the truth" instead! (Or something
to that effect - he pulled it off so well that hardly anyone
seemed to notice.)
* During Breaking the Silence, for the line, "Can't look back,
it's just a waste of time", the band stops to have the crowd
sing "it's just a waste of time." Although the band was
impressed at Alpine Valley, Geoff did say this at the World
Music Theater, "Shit, if we had a contest for the loudest
mutha-fuckas out there, you'd be winnin'!"
* As the band waited behind the stage after
finishing a wonderful rendition of Eyes of a Stranger/
Anarchy X-tra, the crowd of over 5,000 cheered and
ranted uncontrolably for at least 3 minutes before the
band came back on stage. When I was at Alpine Valley,
the band didn't wait that long. So, I knew something
good was in store for us - Walk in the Shadows!
I definitely did not expect the band to play anything
from Rage for Order because I had perused the set lists
from shows earlier in the tour. But, when the crowd screams,
hollers, and whistles as loud as they possibly can, it appears
that the band will give their fans what they want. Keep this
in mind if you're planning on seeing the band at a later
venue!
All in all, I had a great time at both concerts. I was lucky
enough to get 12th row center stage tickets from a scalper outside
the venue for face value the day of the Alpine Valley show. And,
I had 12th row seats already for the World Music Theater show. If
you get a chance to see the band, do NOT pass up your chance to see
them. And, if you get two chances to see the band live like I did,
do that too!
Make sure you don't pass up your chance to take a 'Journey Into the
Now Frontier'!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:12:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "loosers"
Message-ID: <199707152112.QAA28331@enteract.com>
> From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
THIS is a real winner. Everyone, this is how you should act. Anyone mailbomb him
yet, or do I have to do all the work around here myself?
> From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
> Subject: Poor song writing Vs. Good song writing
ARG! He reposted the whole damn post, just to make a 3 line comment! Hell hath no
fury like a bored ytsejammer!
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:10:25 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Metallica, NDTC, and HELP!!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970715211025Z-1548@mail_server.comequity.com>
>Hey now. Techno RULES. BTW, where'd you hear a techno remix of Metallica? I'd
>be interested to hear that.
Die Krupps does an entire album of Metallica covers, which is ok IMHO,
but I've heard better stuff.
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Anyone know of where I can find some bass transcriptions for DT's/JM's
playing? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:12:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Peruvian Skies
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970715170935.29457B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
> Subject: Peruvian Skies chorus
>
> "Under Peruvian skies...
> Vanessa regretfully waits.
> The story unfolds in her eyes.
> Midnight hysteria's no big suprise.
> Battered and bruised,
> always counfused in the
> love that she's losing for hate...
>
> ..Poor Vanessa"
>
Wow! I only heard the song twice, so I didn't try to figure out
the lyrics to this one. But after reading this, I'm really excited to
hear the new DT album. It's gonna be a doozy!
-jeremy
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# Boston, MA 02134 # "No, psychopaths kill for no reason, #
# Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># sound right." #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Grosse Point Blanke #
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:13:06 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Awake bass..
Message-ID: <33CBE7E2.4036@caribe.net>
Jeremy P. Kube wrote:
>
> Someone wrote:
> man..what kind of cd players you guys have??
i wrote it :)
>
> The mixing on Awake was great! The bass is fantastic, if you don't think
> so you should get a good system... Today's music isn't meant to be listened
> to on anything cheap.
> The only thing I hate about JM is the sound on the Awake in Tokyo Vid.
> The string slapping is annoying, but other than that, his playing rocks!!
wow!! ..i also hate that damn slappy sound.. i got a friends whos an
audiophile and stuff..you know..his receiver alone is like 4thousand
bucks or something..anyway... we were trying to decipher what the hell
is making that sound..either bad sound from the original show (i got a
hi-fi copy) or what.. we havent decided on what the hell is making the
bass sound so slappy..specially in the heavier songs..
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Why ?
Message-ID: <199707152113.RAA20451@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I apologize for keeping this on the 'jam, but there was no
E-mail address for me to send this privately....
> This is bullshit. If Al ripped off Pat in a trade, why is he still on the
> jam?
First of all, "ripped off" isn't a proper term.....second of all,
I'm on the 'Jam because my purpose on here is to find out about
and discuss DT, and give input on DT and music-related stuff....
> At least Jeremy Haynes had the brains to disappear when he ripped us
> off.
Jeremy Haynes was on here and traded with more than 1 person
with the specific intent to not give anything back....why stay
after that, and after he was found out?
> Al, you seem to know that you owe Pat tapes, yet you ignore it.
You should have read my message about stating things that you
don't know anything about. Do you this for a fact? No. Then
why put it in a post?
> This
> thread comes up every month or so, and we all have to be reminded that you
> just don't care about completing trades.
I don't bring this up at all. People decide to bring it up who
have no business with this whole thing. Hence what I wrote in
the previous message....if accusations are unsubstantiated, then
don't write them....you have no clue whether I care or not....
> You should not be on this list at all.
Then have Skadz kick me off. I could name 15 other people who
add nothing but non-related stuff on here who should be kicked,
but I don't consider myself "holier-than-thou" to even suggest
it.
> I'd rather deal with talks about politics and religion, than have to
> share this list with someone who knows they ripped a 'jammer off, but
> doesn't care enough to rememdy the situation.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather hear about Dream Theater
and music.......
again, send all this to private E-mail, it has no place on here.
-Al
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light
I am the number One..........burning.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:16:03 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Uh.
Message-ID: <33CBE893.455E@caribe.net>
Laussade@aol.com wrote:
> I'm all for new
> experiences 'n what not, but every damned techno remix of Metallica
> ******
> Hey now. Techno RULES. BTW, where'd you hear a techno remix of Metallica? I'd
> be interested to hear that.
maybe hes talking about a tribute album done by a band called Die
Krupps, a kinda techno industrial band.. i had the cd..and i gave it to
a friend of mine.. but it had cool versions (if you like ind. or techno)
of metallica classics..black album and earlier..
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:16:52 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: WDADU
Message-ID: <33CBE8C4.39E1@caribe.net>
Albert Balkiewicz wrote:
>
> Trevor wrote:
>
> > I definately think it could and should be remastered.
> >
> > Discuss.
> >
>
> Wasn't this re-mastered already? I thought I heard something
> about it either being remastered or reissued or something....
it was re-released but i dont think it was remastered...i own both
copies and they sound the same to me..
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Saga of Al Balkiewicz
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970715170659.12614A-100000@bdmserver>
Al tiraded:
> Did I say anything about trades, you dick?
>
Everyone knows how well you follow up your end of a deal. He was referring
to a case where a Jammer might want to sell you the cd. He was warning
them not to since you would never pay up.
> I didn't think so.....I merely asked that if anyone knows where I
> can get the DoE *CD*, to let me know so I can get it......
>
> Here's a suggestion......
>
> - do you know me personally?
I think everyone on the jam has a decent idea about what kind of person
you really are.
> - have I done anything for you?
> - does anything I do affect you?
Well, actually it does when sh*t like this goes out to the multitudes of
jammers.
>
> I didn't think so............
>
> Until then, I suggest minding your own business and keeping
> your random tirades to yourself, or someone who might give
> a shit.......
Once again, sh*t like this appears on the jams, most of the jammers read it
so it is their business. A lot of jammers feel that the group as a whole
is sorta like an extended family.
Kai responded:
>This is bullshit. If Al ripped off Pat in a trade, why is he still on the
>jam? At least Jeremy Haynes had the brains to disappear when he ripped us
>off. Al, you seem to know that you owe Pat tapes, yet you ignore it. This
>thread comes up every month or so, and we all have to be reminded that you
>just don't care about completing trades. You should not be on this list at
>all. I'd rather deal with talks about politics and religion, than have to
>share this list with someone who knows they ripped a 'jammer off, but
>doesn't care enough to rememdy the situation.
Al will probably respond with the reason that I have an attitude problem
or something to that effect and that is the reason why he wont pay up. I
guess I should have a joyous attitude and act like he is some cool guy...
I can deal with a Jeremy Haynes who ripped off a lot of jammers since he
left the jam. Al just hangs around acting like he is everyone's best
loyal and honest friend.
I guess Al's above tirade gives everyone a good impression of what type
of person he really is...
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