YTSEJAM Digest 2760
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2758
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
2) ANGRA vs SEPULTURA & NEW ZINE
by Matej Setinc <katarina.setinc@kiss.uni-lj.si>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2759
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
4) Important Info - Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
5) Re[4]: Mood Songs
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
6) argh
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) end it Al-pay up
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) Important Info - Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
9) [NDTC] Eternity X Sampler
by "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com>
10) Savatage list, Good/Bad, Remastering WDADU, VS review?
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
11) Re: Why ?
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Rule 2
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
13) Then..
by Laussade@aol.com
14) Al/Pat
by Laussade@aol.com
15) Stratovarius CD's on Sale -NDTC
by Randall Braun <RBraun@gecits.ge.com>
16) Divine Regale
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:52:01 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2758
Message-ID: <199707152126.QAA32660@soli.inav.net>
> From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
> You will die
> Now
> or later
> it doesn't matter
> Dream Theater isn't a very good band...
> They try too hard...use all theory and no hard no-brain stuff
> WHAT THE FUCK?
>
>
> oh yeah...
> FUCK YOU!!!
> and othher stuff that may be semi-related.
ya know, that's nothing a well placed bullet couldn't cure...
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| Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage |
| http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com |
| "first impressions" released. cassettes available |
| an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* |
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:44:08 +0200
From: Matej Setinc <katarina.setinc@kiss.uni-lj.si>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ANGRA vs SEPULTURA & NEW ZINE
Message-ID: <33CBEF28.2ED6@kiss.uni-lj.si>
Hoho this is my first time on ytse!
hello! :-)
hmm...can you be patient with me, please?! THANX...OR WHATEVER
I would like to ask anyone for giving me any information about Sepultura
sales and any obscure info on Sepultura or Angra because I am doing an
article for my new fanzine (jazz-rock,all prog, heavy/trash/speed,
prog-death metal..............)
I am also looking for drummers who'dd like to share some experince for
my zine (tricks, musical notes...) - for DRUMMERZZZ! section
I am also looking for people who'd like to write various articles for my
zine, or maybe interviews, or reviews!
BTW zine will be out somewhere in August and name will probably be "12D"
If you have any other good suggestions, tell me! :-)
BTW visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1052
Thanx,
take care,
-MATEJ
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:56:34 -0400
From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2759
Message-ID: <199707152158.RAA18362@zork.tiac.net>
Hey maggots,
> Oooh. Unsub him, Skadz! He brought up M*t*ll*c*!!!!!! I can still talk
about
> Megadeth, though. 1st of all: Why would any of these bands NEED to sell
out?
> They've already got more money than you can count.
Not necessarily. Anybody who was at the Berklee Rudess/Morgenstein clinic
heard Rod's story of when he talked to the drummer of the latest popular
band (he didn't say the name, just that they had multi-million selling
albums and big tours etc) and the drummer said that he hadn't seen any
money yet. I'm not saying this is common, Rod was actually making a point
about how drummer's often don't have much cash because they don't write
songs. However, don't assume big bands have lots of money.
>The only other reason
> somebody would sell out is to get people to like them...you yourself are
> proof against that reasoning. Many many many people liked all three
band's
> previous sounds. Why would they purposely alienate their fan base?
Uhm, record company pressure? Poison had lots of fans, so did Warrant. They
didn't change or alienate their fan base and look where it got them. No
offense to that guy on here who always talks about how he loves these
bands.
Oh, and Pat and Al, stop your shit. Nobody wants to hear it.
Adam
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 15:00:25 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: metalblade@arastar.com, ytsejam@ax.com, progress@ezekiel.enteract.com,
Subject: Important Info - Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
Message-ID: <9706158690.AA869004332@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
It appears that a more stable list of the US tour dates is out, check out the
web page for details. The first two California shows have been cancelled
(bummer!).... But a few new dates were added, too...
These are the latest Fates Warning tour dates (some remain unconfirmed so check
with your local venues):
1997 U.S. Tour Dates (As of July 14, 1997):
*** CANCELLED 07/24 Corona,California Showcase Theater
*** CANCELLED 07/25 Lakewood,California Northern Lites
07/27 Phoenix,AZ Mason Jar
07/30 Lubbock,TX Palladian Live
07/31 San Antonio,TX White Rabbit
08/01 Houston,TX The Abyss
08/02 Fort Worth,TX Caravan Of Dreams
08/03 Lafayette, LA Shanahans
08/05 Pittsburgh, PA The Metropol
08/06 Danbury, CT Tuxedo Junction
08/07 South Amboy, NJ Club Bene
08/08 West Springfield,VA Jaxx Nite Club
08/09 Mt. Vernon, NY Lodown
08/10 Philadelphia,PA Trocadero
08/12 Chanpaign, IL Mabels
08/13 Columbus,OH Alrosa Villa
08/14 Westland, MI The Mosquito Club
08/15 Cleveland,OH Sidekicks
08/16 Cincinnati, OH Annie's
08/17 Chicago, IL House Of Blues
08/23 West Hollywood, CA Whiskey A Go Go
Keep checking the web site for updates! --
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Fates Warning (Island in the Stream) & Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book)
*** Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit ***
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 14:57:56 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re[4]: Mood Songs
Message-ID: <9706158690.AA869004331@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>I personally think (and I'm probably wrong) that the samples
>starting with the first documentary sample shows the
>following:
>It's been said on the 'Jam previously that in between these last
>few samples that you can hear a brief 1-second static noise and
>that hig-frequency sound that some people here when a TV is
>on...
>My take on the situation is that the guy, forlorn about a lost
>love (did i use the word "forlorn"?), is merely sitting in a
>room (probably dark), watching TV aimlessly, switching the
>channels..........maybe there's an irony in the fact that
>whatever he switches to on the TV for the most part relates
>somehow to what he's going through.
Well, I do know that Kevin did pick the particular samples
for specific reasons (This coming from someone who knew him
pretty well.. He does record lots of TV shows, phone calls,
etc. to incorporate into his songs)... If you listen to the
demo version of the the song, the samples are a little
different at one point, where Kevin actually did sit there and
just flip through a but of channels (only a couple of them even
remotely related to the song)... Now, whether Kevin's intent
was to point out the irony that Al points out, who
knows...KevMo is kind of a strange one, you know... <BG>...
~Mike
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:37:17 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: argh
Message-ID: <199707152212.RAA05670@soli.inav.net>
> I guess Al's above tirade gives everyone a good impression of what type
> of person he really is...
>
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
> | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
>
actually, you're the one showing your true colors here. as far as i
recall Al hasn't been whining about this for the last god knows how
many years. whether he truly ripped you off or not is irrelevant
because you and he are the only ones who know. he's said he isn't
trading with anyone anymore... so get over it. if he indeed owes
you tapes, by now you should realize you're never going to get
them... so get over it.
the issue should have been buried a long time ago. i do enjoy
reading your posts on here, but this Al vs. Pat crap is getting
*REALLY* old... drop it already man. it's dead. it's deceased.
it's done with.
i swear to god if i ever meet the two of you guys in real life i'll
bitch slap the piss out of both of ya. :P
-Andrew
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| Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage |
| http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com |
| "first impressions" released. cassettes available |
| an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* |
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:17:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: end it Al-pay up
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970715180750.12614B-100000@bdmserver>
Al said:
> Jeremy Haynes was on here and traded with more than 1 person
> with the specific intent to not give anything back....why stay
> after that, and after he was found out?
What was your intent then when we made a deal to trade tapes? If your
intent was to follow through on your end of the deal then why haven't you?
>
>> Al, you seem to know that you owe Pat tapes, yet you ignore it.
>
> You should have read my message about stating things that you
> don't know anything about. Do you this for a fact? No. Then
> why put it in a post?
What? I think everyone knows you owe me tapes but refuse to pay up. So
how can you just sit there and say he knows nothing about it? Face it Al,
you know you owe me tapes and you ignore it. That is a fact.
Sorry to all about this sh*t but Al's last few posts have really pissed
me off. He just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper. Also private
email with Al doesn't work since if you have a negative attitude about
anything he won't respond. He talks about sending this to private email
since it doesn't belong on here. He could end all this by just paying up.
He just refuses. This is all in Al's corner. I'm really tired of this sh*t.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|=======================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 09:55:12 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: metalblade@arastar.com, ytsejam@ax.com, progress@ezekiel.enteract.com,
Subject: Important Info - Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
Message-ID: <9706158689.AA868986388@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
It appears that a more stable list of the US tour dates is out, check out the
web page for details. The first two California shows have been cancelled
(bummer!).... But a few new dates were added, too...
These are the latest Fates Warning tour dates (some remain unconfirmed so check
with your local venues):
1997 U.S. Tour Dates (As of July 14, 1997):
*** CANCELLED 07/24 Corona,California Showcase Theater
*** CANCELLED 07/25 Lakewood,California Northern Lites
07/27 Phoenix,AZ Mason Jar
07/30 Lubbock,TX Palladian Live
07/31 San Antonio,TX White Rabbit
08/01 Houston,TX The Abyss
08/02 Fort Worth,TX Caravan Of Dreams
08/03 Lafayette, LA Shanahans
08/05 Pittsburgh, PA The Metropol
08/06 Danbury, CT Tuxedo Junction
08/07 South Amboy, NJ Club Bene
08/08 West Springfield,VA Jaxx Nite Club
08/09 Mt. Vernon, NY Lodown
08/10 Philadelphia,PA Trocadero
08/12 Chanpaign, IL Mabels
08/13 Columbus,OH Alrosa Villa
08/14 Westland, MI The Mosquito Club
08/15 Cleveland,OH Sidekicks
08/16 Cincinnati, OH Annie's
08/17 Chicago, IL House Of Blues
08/23 West Hollywood, CA Whiskey A Go Go
Keep checking the web site for updates! --
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Fates Warning (Island in the Stream) & Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book)
*** Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit ***
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:31:53 PDT
From: "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: [NDTC] Eternity X Sampler
Message-ID: <199707152231.PAA19714@f60.hotmail.com>
Just got my Eternity X sampler in the mail.. Wasn't particularly
impressed, especially with the way they couldn't put one whole song on
the thing--they keep fading them in and out. =P The talking really
annoys me also. Is this band worth listening to? I can't really tell
from this thing.
Alison
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:32:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage list, Good/Bad, Remastering WDADU, VS review?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970715180154.21939A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
>From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
>>I tried to subscribe to the Savatage mailing list. But it came back
>>saying that it hopped too many time(21 out of a 20 max). Anyone else
>>have this problem?
>
>I couldn't get on it either. It said something like "Didn't recognize"
>something or other.
Well, it worked for me. But Mr. Savaweb and I are on the same provider,
so that probably doesn't mean much.
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> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
>> Subject: Will the new album suck? Likely it will NOT.
>>
>> Good: Rush "Leave That Thing Alone"
>> Poor: Rush "Jacob's Ladder"
>
>Good: Mike Bahr making CDs
>Poor: Mike Bahr making analogies with Rush songs
It's time for another "Good idea, Bad idea!"
(Jay wishes he was off work in time to watch Animaniacs more often :-)
---- >From: caber1@concentric.net >> From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> >> >> While I don't think WDADU should be re-recorded and most likely will >> not be, I definately think it could and should be remastered. > >Well, besides DT not wanting to do it, and the label hates DT, and JLB & >DS wouldn't get royalities for it...Yeah it could happen... > >Are you trying to take over the jam with WDADU talk!?! :)No kidding! You can't talk about Dream Theater here! This the Guitar-and-amp-Jam!
As for a remastering, how good was the original recording? My CD claims analog recording and digital mastering, so a digital re- mastering might not do jack squat if the analog tapes suck.
Well, I gotta go stereo shopping. I've finally caught up financially from the G.F. flood and the move to the cities, so it's time to replace my drowned stereo. Fortunately, it was a cheap BSR shelf system. Unfortunately, since then I've been listening to all my CD's on a 4-year-old Sony boom box that has more skips and drop-outs than an American high school...
Also, I haven't seen any reviews of Virtual Songs. I'm #123 (I think) and Mike is up to #70, so it should be here within a month. Is it as good as CM?
--Jay "complains about NDTC, then asks for RushC. Hypocrite :)" Omega --NP: Jewel - Pieces of You (and, man, are those guitars crunchy!)
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Why ? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970715194023.26771B-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Albert Balkiewicz wrote:
> First of all, "ripped off" isn't a proper term.....
That remains to be seen.
> > Al, you seem to know that you owe Pat tapes, yet you ignore it. > > You should have read my message about stating things that you > don't know anything about. Do you this for a fact? No. Then > why put it in a post? > > I don't bring this up at all. People decide to bring it up who > have no business with this whole thing. Hence what I wrote in > the previous message....if accusations are unsubstantiated, then > don't write them....you have no clue whether I care or not....
I remember your post a while ago about not having access to 2 VCRs, thus making copies for Pat was impossible. So my question is what's keeping you from just sending Pat money for the equivalent of tapes that you would've sent him had you had 2 VCRs? It's really not that hard.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:12:06 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rule 2 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970715201202.00685720@mail.ici.net>
>Fuck all of you computer losers!!! > >to all of you, I say FAH-Q!!!!!
In response to this incredibly heartfelt, intelligent statement, I would like to propose formally to Skadz that this list be made "post by subscriber only". Assuming that this idiot (or imposter :)) isn't actually subscribed, that is. I think that, along with the new, tighter rules, will help keep the list a somewhat more habitable place.
Of course, I think the list should be moderated as well, but I think I'm in the minority there.
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Bruce Dickinson - "Accident Of Birth"
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Then.. Message-ID: <970715200902_617963811@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Uhm, record company pressure? Poison had lots of fans, so did Warrant. They didn't change or alienate their fan base and look where it got them. ***** Then don't take it out on the bands.
Pat Daughtery's Private Stripper
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Al/Pat Message-ID: <970715202925_-726106704@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Sorry to all about this sh*t but Al's last few posts have really pissed me off. He just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper. Also private email with Al doesn't work since if you have a negative attitude about anything he won't respond. He talks about sending this to private email since it doesn't belong on here. He could end all this by just paying up. He just refuses. This is all in Al's corner. I'm really tired of this sh*t. ******* Thanks for informing us about how p*ssed off you are. I, and I'm sure at least one other person, probably more, don't really give a flying scr*w at a rolling don*t. Maybe Al is an undercover c*p, cracking down on bootl*gs and he's going to turn you in any second n*w. I have this picture in my mind of where you l*ve. Dark, dank...little Al Balkewhatever v**doo dolls all over the place with giant hunting knives st*ck through them..."AL WILL DIE!" written in bl*od all over the walls...frankly, quite scary. P*t, try that whole "getting over it" thing. Either that, or just go ahead and k*ll Al so you don't have anybody to b*tch about anymore. Sh**sh.
Just bought Faith No More's "The Real Thing" yesterday. Quality stuff...especially cool since I hadn't heard Epic in like 7 years. Flashbackorama. I also picked up Noise Unit's "Drill". Done Rhys Fulber and Bill Leeb, the Front Line Assembly guys. Great dark techno/industrial/electro/dance whatever. Lots of freakish samplings..among them, the guy in Seven from the lust part..."He had a gun in my mouth. The fucking gun was in my throat! FUCK!" Sufficiently freaky for me. :) Mail me privately if you know anymore good indusrial/techno stuff that I should buy. Gracias, adios!
Pat Daughterty's tapes.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:02:29 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@gecits.ge.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Stratovarius CD's on Sale -NDTC Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0005EEE7@msb01itscge.gecits.ge.com>
For those of you Y'Jammers who are also Stratovarius aficionados, KnightsoftheRound (www.knightsoftheround.com) has three of Strat's earlier CD's on their 'clearance rack' for $9.99 each. Also have a few other bands, like Royal Hunt, on the rack as well.
If you like Superior, Angra & Symphony X, you'll like Stratovarius, and vice versa!! -Randall Randall Braun - Configuration Services email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com *"Waiting for rescue, And I know you just don't get it" from Neurotica by Rush*
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:01:23 -0700 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Divine Regale Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970716040123.0067c390@pop.pipeline.com>
I just got word from a guy in the band, and he says they are only opening for Fates on five dates. I am not sure which five, but I would assume they would be the East Coast ones, being that they (DR) are from New Hampshire.
CD of the Day: Death - Human Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
Kevin
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