YTSEJAM Digest 2768
Today's Topics:
1) Subtlety, photos, and Fish...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
2) re: Alex Skolnick
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) AMFI.
by Laussade@aol.com
4) Another free music thang! (NOW THAT I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
5) concerts
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) re: exotic scales
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2767
by Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Dave Weckl from a bassist's point of view.
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
9) Re: "loosers"
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
10) RE: Scales - you can ignore this...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
11) DT Tribute Band
by babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
12) re: exotic scales
by eckie@asu.edu
13) Re: DT Tribute Band
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Parody, Fish, Marillion, Farber, Ytse-pix
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:13:23 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Subtlety, photos, and Fish...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970717201323Z-2007@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Bernd "The guitar god" Basmer wrote...
>Hi!!
>
>For all those who are interested in reading interviews...
>
>Have a look at http://www.mindcage.com/superior.html
This is a really cool prog discussion page that has just started
publishing interviews. The first was with Stratovarius, and the current
one is with Bernd's band, Superior. There's a good chance you will like
this band, since you're on this list. I recommend the interview, as well
- Bernd's a cool guy, and gives some neat background for fans of the
band.
Lars wrote...
>> Can this fucker please be kicked off the list ? All he does is post
>> shit like (Ytsejam 2708) :
>
>Actually, maybe you should be kicked off the list for doing something as
>stupid as re-posting all his shit to the jam. I think we've all freaking
>noticed his messages already without you quoting them back to us in their
>entirity.
You know, I've noticed Lars occasionally has a problem with being too
subtle. Am I the only one that's noticed this? ;-)
>
Gary wrote...
>I was going to use my free web space to produce a Dream Theater
>web site but to be honest there are quite a few that are much better
>than anything i could do.
>
>So, how about a photo gallery for ytsejammers?, a sort of who's who
I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. It would be kind of cool to
have faces to go with the names, but, by the same token, it might lead
to some unpleasantness. Yeah, I know, nothing like that would ever
happen here...
..Okay, now that I've finished laughing hysterically, what the hell,
I'll do it! Not like anybody out there wants to see my face...
Brian wrote...
>I mean, think about it. You're reading one of the several daily
>ytsejams and there are posts on the new album, musical discussions,
>Bafu, Ptacek, ..... and some guy that shouts fuck you and tells everyone
>to die! I think it's friggin' hysterical. But I am a little wacky....
A Little!?
Oh yeah, like there's a shortage of wackos around here... This list has
more strong characters then all of this Summer's movies combined!
>
Pat "no more Al cracks" Daughetry wrote...
>Dan wrote:
>>>Space in Your face is good as well but
>>>I really really hate the hidden tracks.
>>
>>do you hate the hidden tracks, ie the songs, themselves?
>>or do you just hate the "hidden" part of it all?
>
>I should have worded that better. I hate the fact that the songs are
>hidden. The songs themselves are great. If it was Geffen's idea to hide
>those tracks then Geffen sucks...
Well, as a matter of fact, he does, but any more discussion on that
subject will get Skadz to kick me off the list...
Why is it that every time I'm writing a post a new digest comes in?
Any of you 'jam types going to see Fish Sunday night at the Bayou in DC?
I'll be there, either in a Screaming In Digital T - Shirt or one of the
spiffy new Division shirts...
We also get Marillion at the Birchmere in September. Why they're playing
there instead of Jaxx I don't know, since the Birchmere only holds about
300...
But I'll be there!
Mike
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 16:14:29 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Alex Skolnick
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+8mbnnA@tcx.tcco.com>
> Along w/ the new GC, I picked this album up earlier tonight.
> This one smokes. Wow, Alex Skolnick and Les Claypool
> on the same song :)
What ever happened to Exhibit A - Alex Skolnick's "other" band? I saw Alex on
Savatage's Handful of Rain tour and where he also played as the opening band.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AMFI.
Message-ID: <970717161549_1312529432@emout17.mail.aol.com>
III. THE VIOLENT MAN
****
Heeheheheheheheeheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheeheheheheh.
Fates Warning in Phoenix...who's going? I miiiiiiiight be able to make
it. Of course, if it's 18+ or 21+ then nevermind already...but if not, then
mebbe I try to go. I'm not the hugest FW fan, but I still like 'em and if I
get to meet some d0odz there, then hey...why not? :) But, if possible, i'd be
grateful fer some info. Gracias in advance. Buhbye!
Ben
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:59:34 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Another free music thang! (NOW THAT I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION :)
Message-ID: <33CE79A6.586@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Attention Local jammanoidles/jammanoidlettes:
Kentucky ROCKS!
New band from Kentucky called Days of the New have a song out called
Touch, Peel and Stand out on AAF. 15 year old guitarist!! Singer sounds
like the dude from STP. Pretty much straight ahead rock with a down-home
guitar thing happening. Well, I heard today that they're gonna be at
Newbury Comics in Shrewsbury on Saturday at 4PM.
I'm there. Anyone else? Lemme know. The YtseTruck has vacancies as of
this writing :)
E-mail is fine. Wouldn't want to clutter the jam up :)
K, Bye
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: concerts
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970717162621.8299C-100000@bdmserver>
Anyone seen Boston this year? If so how was it? I was contemplating going
to the Boston show going on in Columbia, MD next week. JUst wondering if
it is the same as it was 2 years ago. ie both singers and same songs?
July 26-Queensrych
August 8-Fates Warning, Divine Regale, Division, and possibly another...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 16:38:57 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <zarnoff069@juno.com>
Subject: re: exotic scales
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+u7cnnA@tcx.tcco.com>
>Some of these are pretty cool, especially if played with a drone:
>
>Mongolian: 1 2 3 5 6 8
>Chinese: 1 2 3 5 6 8
What's so "exotic" about a major pentatonic scale? :)
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:40:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2767
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970717153333.21706A-100000@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Continuing the long awaited (at least for me) drummer thread, I will
mention Buddy Rich. I had a little experience with that man, too, but it
wasn't as cool as the other (still looking for the name, I'd recognize it
if somebody mentioned it.). Last year, I was in the U of Minnesota
Drumline, and we were making a trip out to Northwestern to watch our
beloved Gophers get preyed upon by the Wildcats. The drumline bus was
loud with sick songs and the like (suck on a stiff cock ......... tail
with me), when somebody put in a tape of some Buddy Rich tribute show that
was on TV some time back. Man, that fucker had some chops!! That had to
be the fastest playing with the highest stick heights that will ever
happen. The bus was quiet for the duration of that tape. That man was a
god.
Chad Martin
mart0312@gold.tc.umn.edu
chadbert@dnrc.org
O-
"Remember that the Scrye values are completely mythical and have no
semblance to any reality that we may inhabit." - Neil Kirby
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:45:36 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dave Weckl from a bassist's point of view.
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970717204536Z-337@mail_server.comequity.com>
Hey all.
Al said,
Anyone hear of Dave Weckl (gee, that's a stupid question)
The drummer for Half Naked (whoohoo!) talks about him all
the time, so I assume he kicks.........
Yah. Weckl's good, but I think he tries too hard. If he'd just stop
thinking, "GOD, I can make this better than ANYTHING ELSE," then he'd
achieve his goals. Mind you, I'm not saying that the man sucks; far from
it. He's definitely a musician's musician; I just think he should sit
back and have a beer. : )
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:35:53 +0200
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "loosers"
Message-ID: <33CE6609.99DCFED8@algonet.se>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:12:18 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: "loosers"
> Message-ID: <199707152112.QAA28331@enteract.com>
>
> > From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
> > Subject: Poor song writing Vs. Good song writing
>
> ARG! He reposted the whole damn post, just to make a 3 line comment! Hell hath no
> fury like a bored ytsejammer!
>
Oh, forgive me father for I have sinned...I disobeyed the holy
commandment of "thou shalt not post a quote longer than thy comment"...
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:48:45 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Scales - you can ignore this...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970717204845Z-2039@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Ya know, if this one doesn't get me in trouble, nothing will...
>Neapolitan Minor: 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 7 8
>Neapolitan Major: 1 b2 b3 4 5 6 7 8
Both of these come in Chocolate, Vanilla, and Strawberry. The only
difference is the size of the player...
>Oriental: 1 b2 3 4 b5 6 b7 8
This one comes with a three year, 36,000 mile warranty on the flats, and
one year, 12,000 miles on everything else...
>Double Harmonic: 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 7 8
This scale come in a sugar cone, with free sprinkles!
>Enigmatic: 1 b2 3 #4 #5 #6 7 8
Actually, that's just what the scale *wants* you to think...
>Hirajoshi: 1 2 b3 5 b6 8
This scale went on to pitch for the New York Yankees, which caused a few
bum notes in the clubhouse...
>Hungarian Minor: 1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 7 8
>Hungarian Major: 1 #2 3 #4 5 6 b7 8
The difference between these two is simple - One lands you in jail, the
other one puts you there!
>Kumoi: 1 b2 4 5 b6 8
>Iwato: 1 b2 4 b6 b7 8
These two scales are very popular for their magna special editions...
>Hindu: 1 2 3 4 5 b6 b7 8
Rip (where are you now) would sympathize with this scales feelings of
reverence towards the bovine...
>Spanish 8 Tone: 1 b2 b3 3 4 b5 b6 b7 8
Unfortunately, this one is always with the Spanish 10 volume... usually
in a Toyota.
>Pelog: 1 b2 b3 5 b7 8
All kids love Pelog...
>Hungarian Gypsy: 1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 b7 8
Usually played by dark - eyed women that break your heart and borrow
your wallet..
>Major Phrygian: 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 8
This scale would be useful in the DC area right now...
>Major Locrian: 1 2 3 4 b5 b6 b7 8
I think my uncle served with this scale in 'Nam...
>Lydian Minor: 1 2 3 #4 5 b6 b7 8
Man, these will get you the death penalty - or at least two minutes for
holding!
>Overtone: 1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7 8
My, that's pretty ominous!
>Leading Whole Tone: 1 2 3 #4 #5 #6 7 8
Fortunately, judges usually rule entrapment in these cases...
>Arabian: 1 2 3 4 b5 b6 b7 8
Larry loves this one!
>Balinese: 1 b2 b3 5 b6 8
Also called "the Cat Scale"...
>Gypsy: 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 7 8
Would that be of the Orphan variety? I can never tell (A real reach for
you Fates fans...)
>Mohammedan: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 8
If you can't come to the scale...
>Javanese: 1 b2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8
Highly touted, but likely will not live up to it's billing...
>Persian: 1 b2 3 4 b5 b6 7 8
Originally Greek, but conquered by Alexander.
>Algerian: 1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 7 8 2 b3 4
Know for it's Hissing overtones... (sorry, I couldn't come up with
anything better)
>Byzantine: 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 7 8
I just don't understand this one...
>Hawaiian: 1 2 b3 (4 grace note) 5 6 7 8
Properly played, will make the listener feel like they've had one too
many Mai Tais...
>Jewish: 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 8
(I'd offend way to many people with this one)
>Mongolian: 1 2 3 5 6 8
Makes your eyes feel like they are getting further apart...
>Spanish Phrygian: 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 8
This scale will cause the opposite sex to clamor for your, ahem,
attention. Best used in small doses...
>Egyptian: 1 2 4 5 b7 8
Your listeners will have a sudden urge to be bitten by an asp...
>Japanese: 1 b2 4 5 b6 8
This scale plays golf religiously... and will make your audience want to
drink Sake out of pine boxes. Done at the same time, this can be most
entertaining...
and finally...
>Chinese: 1 2 3 5 6 8
> 1 3 #4 5 7 8
Half an hour after playing this scale, you have a desire to put all of
the leftovers in your refrigerator in cardboard boxes. You then eat them
for lunch the next day, assuring yourself on indigestion. Yet you keep
playing it...
Sorry about the bandwidth waste, but this was too good to pass up...
>
Buck wrote...
> And did I mention Contact sucked?
Man, that settles it - the only thing we will EVER agree on is SOME
music. The Arrival? Give me a break...
Mike - awaiting the death knell from Skadz...
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:34:01 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Tribute Band
Message-ID: <v01510100aff3cda2a4a0@[137.238.26.12]>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. I was looking through a local (Rochester, NY)
entertainment guide (Freetime Magazine) when I noticed the following
article.
Images & Words
Images and Words provides the Ultimate Dream Theater tribute.
The band has the highest opinion of the national recording artist, Dream
Theater, feeling that they have not only brought progressive rock to a
higher technical standard, but have re-defined the genre by combining the
traditional progressive sounds of Rush, Yes and Genesis with that of
heavier artists like Queensryche, Metallical and Pantera.
Images and Words, upstate New York's only Dream Theater tribute band, is
dedicated to performing songs from all of Dream Theater's LP's - When Dream
and Day Unite, Images & Words, Awake and A Change of Seasons - as well as
unreleased songs from live and studio imports. The band consists of:
Gregg Horst (vocals), Tony Vinci (guitar), Cliff LeBeau (drums), Greg
Putnam (bass) and Rich DellaPietra (keyboards).
Ok, so my question to everyone on this list is - has anybody ever heard of
these guys before? I'm puzzled by this - a DT tribute band?
-BABS
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:11:07 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: exotic scales
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970717141009.1498A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
If it's used in a heavy metal song, consider it exotic!
>:D
~Eckie
>
> What's so "exotic" about a major pentatonic scale? :)
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:17:23 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Tribute Band
Message-ID: <33CE8B7E.3890@caribe.net>
Barb Battaglia wrote:
>
>
> Ok, so my question to everyone on this list is - has anybody ever heard of
> these guys before? I'm puzzled by this - a DT tribute band?
>
> -BABS
yeah! .. they even have a
website..http://www.vivanet.com/~rdellapi/iw/index.htm
in which theres a pic of JPetrucci with their guitar players,and the
guitar players guitars..(redundant..i know) the guy has like 3 or 4
JPM's... and theres sound clips and stuff..
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:29:23 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytchi Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Parody, Fish, Marillion, Farber, Ytse-pix Message-ID: <01BC9307.F4739180@Paris.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
> From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: DT Parodies
Most brilliant post in AGES ! That is what I meant by parodies on Dream Theater lyrics, only better than I ever imagined they could be :-) Please keep 'em coming :-))
On the *other* hand, I've been having a major throat problem, for the last 6-7 weeks... It just got a whole lot worse from laughing about that post :-)
Chris Ptacek wrote :
> Joe Kruger, you are truly a God... I am in pain from laughing so hard!
You're probably kidding about being in pain... I'm NOT (OUCH!) /me hands Mr. Joe Kruger the award for best Ytse-post of 1997. _____
_ asked :
> Has anyone out there heard Fish's new "Sunsets on Empire" CD?
Yup, been listening to it for the last two months now. I even got a personal invitation from Fish, to meet him at the Dutch fanclub concert for a few beers. I got two free tickets, backstage passes and some pretty cool signatures... "To the Itch, love fish" :-) (I'll try to put some pix of the gig on my page)
> Is it worth purchasing in your opinion?
FUCK YEAH ! So far, it's the best album I've heard this year :-) Yeah that's right, I think I love it even *more* than Marillion's new CD ('This Strange Engine', also brilliant... as usual).
The US version has the video of "Brother 52" on it, in Quick Time format. In the video, you can see Fish getting his latest tattoo. (his new logo)
If you are thinking of checking out Fish' solo albums, either buy "Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors" (still kinda Marillion-ish) or "Sunsets on Empire". IMO, they're both brilliant. The other stuff is also good, but not nearly as great as "Vigil" and "SoE".
You can get some wavs or real audios on the Wilderness of Mirrors site (Official Fish website) at http://www.livjm.ac.uk/fish/
> (P.S. - Also, does anyone know when the new Dream Theater CD will be > released
September 23rd. _____
Carlos Alfaro asked :
> Im curious on what marillion album i should get...
*All* of them :-) But I'd start with "The Best of Both Worlds"... "BoBW" is a 2 cd compilation album, with Fish on disc 1 and Hogarth on disc 2. Let me know which songs you like best, so I can suggest what cd you could try next. Also, every EMI Marillion release, will be remastered and re-released with a bonus CD, so maybe you should wait for that. My favourite Marillion album is Brave, which is also my all-time favourite album. But do me one favour... NO "Marillion sucks" posts, until you've given them a fair chance :-) It usually takes people some time to get into their music. But when they do...
:-))) _____
Lars Hellsten wrote :
> Actually, maybe you should be kicked off the list for doing something > as stupid as re-posting all his shit to the jam.
Fuck you too. _____
Brian Wherry wrote :
> Every time I see George Farber's posts I hope that no one will reply > to it -- and hence, he will fizzle away. But every single time, > someone goes and copies all his posts and complains to Skadz that he > should be kicked off the list.
And Skadz DID kick him off the list. If people like that Farber guy don't get the attention they want, all they will do is try harder ! Farber did that by posting *three* of those bullshit posts on *one* digest. Ignoring a problem usually doesn't make it go away. _____
Gary Cleghorn said :
> So, how about a photo gallery for ytsejammers?, a sort of who's who > > If any one wants to start off the site send me a photo (via e-mail or > post i'll give you my home address if you e-mail me because i have a > scanner).
There's already a page with pictures of regular #Ytsejam (IRC) visitors on the "Under A Cyber Moon" website at :
http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Doing a similar page for the entire list will be a LOT of work. You also never know if the people on your page are still on the list. I have the same problem with my Ytsejam Birthday Calendar on Itchy's Homepage :-/
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ No matter what I say or do, it never looks _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ like making any difference. Don't focus all |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ your anger and resentment that you have. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Don't blame it on me. Don't blame it on me. |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/
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