YTSEJAM Digest 2778
Today's Topics:
1) Jammer's Bands
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
2) Deep thoughts and Fish...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
3) Precious Things
by NightCast <nightcast@usa.net>
4) Spookykids/Marilyn Manson
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
5) ?
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
6) DIE!!!
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
7) Mode correction
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2777
by "Alyssa Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
9) Modes
by "Alyssa Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
10) Queensryche in Cleveland?
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
11) Mike Portnoy
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) Death in the consumer aisle leads to Chris Merlo shaving his
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:00:05 -0400
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jammer's Bands
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970721140005Z-13690@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
The following are a couple of reviews of bands that were not only
mentioned previously on the jam but actually have jammers IN THE BANDS
!! Since I have no formal music training, dont flame me for how I call
'em. =20
Support your fellow jammers !!!!!! =20
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Treasure Land "Questions". =20
e-mail Magnus Lind at treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se
Order the CD from Laser=B4s Edge at http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/
If you like Symphony X, then it is quite likely that you will love this
CD. Not quite Symphony X, but so what. And, for whatever reason, The
Laser's Edge is not charging gold for this disk which is, of course, an
import. Very similar in the instrumentation and style to Symphony X.
Very intelligently written prog metal with a *very slight* kind of
gothic influence (maybe the power of suggestion). A little overdone on
the double bass for me but I know some people perceive the importance of
this in creating their type of sound. Ties =3D Buy This !! =20
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Girth "Brain Cloud". =20
e-mail Brian K Adams at sideways8@compuserve.com
Order the CD directly through the band. =20
The references to AIC that have been mentioned are easy to understand
because their singer sounds quite a lot like Layne Whatshisface. But
this comparison is not fair. This is more like AIC plus 20 IQ points
across the board. These guys are more progressive, but it may be a
stretch to call them a progressive band. More rock than metal. Maybe
prog-grunge (an oxymoron ??). I guess that this impression comes from
the heaviness of some of the songs. There is slightly more emphasis on
the vocals than I prefer, but so what. They play really well, the sound
is decent and for a first CD, you get something like 60+ minutes. =20
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The Bogarts "Bootleg"
e-mail The Goon at Thrak75@aol.com
Hey - This stuff is a little more jazz funk than metal (to say the
least) but we all know that it is a lot harder to play jazz than rock
anyway, right ?? Since this was from a bootleg, the sound quality
wasn't good, but it is easy to see that these guys are worth a listen.
The Goon plays a really decent guitar !! The only annoying part is the
singer who chit-chats while others are playing .........:) =20
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
Five Gratuitous CDs:
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1. Treasure Land: Questions
2. Girth: Brain Cloud
3. Dream Theater: Amsterdam Circus
4. The Quiet Room: Demo 95
5. The Bogarts: Bootleg
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:13:24 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Deep thoughts and Fish...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970721141324Z-3422@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Ernie wrote...
>I told my step-father "I said so", and he was like "Huh!?"
I LIKE this one!
Steven Wright does DT!
OK, here's my shot - If deceit is the second without end, does that mean
there isn't a third? If there is, how? Number two hasn't ended yet...
Bruce wrote...
>He came back for a second encore and I believe he did Penny For Your
>Thoughts by Marillion. (I know it was a Marillion song).
It was a very interesting arrangement of "Lavender". I personally liked
sailing from "Fugazi" into "White Feather". Neat stuff!
>
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>Then I got to meet him for a moment after the show, he was in a hurry to
>meet the people that had after show passes, but we were able to talk to
>some of the promoters and get a quick 'hi' from Fish. Who by the way is
>a very tall man.
I shook his hand in DC. He IS a big man - I'm not small and I had to
look up to him. When he went down in the crowd in DC, he was dancing a
jig or something screwy like that, and laughing his ass off. He is
probably the best frontman I've ever seen - he just had the audience
totally in thrall...
>
>All in all a great evening...so if you get a chance to see the show..go!
>It is definately worth it!
Absolutely - if I had known it was going to be that good, I'd have
driven up to Philly for it...
>
I'm working on my ACoS parody, but it's taking a llllooonng time. There
are a lot of lyrics... :)
Mike
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:06:59 -0600
From: NightCast <nightcast@usa.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Precious Things
Message-ID: <01BC95AF.D8274940@slc157.modem.xmission.com>
I just got Precious Things from Mike yesterday.. This has got to be one =
of his best CDs. The sound quality is *incredible* on it. Good stuff, =
Mike. :) I haven't listened to it a whole lot yet, but the demo of =
Raise the Knife gets me that much more hyped up for the new CD. =20
Best video game music? Here's an oldie but goody.. Alternate Reality: =
The Dungeon. =20
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:39:24 +0300
From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spookykids/Marilyn Manson
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970721143924.00694070@mbox.sci.fi>
Wow !!! Woke up from a nightmare..
I think I'm quite happy to be on the Ytsejam list..
What was I even thinking of when I joined the Spookykids..
I mean, you'd think we're a bunch of freaks here and
this list sucks, well, think again ! Spookykids is full
of KIDS really, talking about shaving their private places
and other weird stuff, not music. But of course, you think
Manson isn't music at all. I still like them, but the fans
are way out of my league..I'm happy with you guys !!
Just keep talking about music, that's all I ask !! Thanks.
Sometimes I wish
I still was a kid
But watching this world
every now and then I'm happy
that I'm just old and crappy
Satu
PS: Manson will appear in the Politically incorrect July 30,
if someone's interested ?? Let me know about it then, I want
to know how it went...
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:41:00 EDT
From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ?
Message-ID: <19970617.202350.7519.4.george.farber@juno.com>
I haven't received the Ytsejam in over a week...I was wondering what
happened...has this happened to anybody else? I was getting it fine
until one day it just stopped...
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:03:57 EDT
From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: DIE!!!
Message-ID: <19970617.204609.7519.9.george.farber@juno.com>
ummmm....
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hey! (in sarcastic tone) I'm George Farber...Blah blah blah...I'm a
prick, blah blah blah...
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:08:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mode correction
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.970721104737.126136B-100000@acs3.bu.edu>
Someone posted that Dorian is also called Harmonic Minor. I just want to
clear up that Dorian and Harmonic Minor are to *different* modes.
Harmonic minor is simply Aeolian with a rasied seventh. 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7
Dorian is basically Aeolian with a rasied sixth. 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7
Got it? So what do you call the fifth degree of F# Harmonic Minor?
Heh. :)
Wacky
-- Brian Wherry bwherry@bu.edu http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry Progressive Musician Network - http://www.channel1.com/users/wacky/pmc C# Phrygian Dominant 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 just in case you're reading this :)------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:13:44 -0400 From: "Alyssa Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2777 Message-ID: <199707211520.LAA05158@zork.tiac.net>
> This is dorian (1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8)...It's also called Harmonic > Minor...What characterizes this mode is the b3 and major sixth...it's > very blues/rock sounding...
Dorian does NOT equal harmonic minor. Harmonic minor has a natural 7th, and the interval of a minor second from the 7th degree to the root of the scale is the overused interval that Yngwie always uses. Harmonic Minor is 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 8.
I've seen lots of half-assed explanations of the modes so now I'll give mine which hopefully will be whole-assed. Modes can be looked at in two different ways. Each mode is based on a different degree of the major scale. In C for example, the second scale degree is D which corresponds to the Dorian mode.
Name Scale Degree Formula Chord Type ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 I maj 7 C D E F G A B C
Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8 II min 7 C D Eb F G A Bb C
Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 8 III min 7 C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:34:36 -0400 From: "Alyssa Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Modes Message-ID: <199707211538.LAA05960@zork.tiac.net>
Ok, time to get this all out,
> This is dorian (1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8)...It's also called Harmonic > Minor...What characterizes this mode is the b3 and major sixth...it's > very blues/rock sounding...
Dorian does NOT equal harmonic minor. Harmonic minor has a natural 7th, and the interval of a minor second from the 7th degree to the root of the scale is the overused interval that Yngwie always uses. Harmonic Minor is 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 8.
I've seen lots of half-assed explanations of the modes so now I'll give mine which hopefully will be whole-assed. Modes can be looked at in two different ways. The first is intervalic formula. Here are the intervals of a major (Ionian) scale in C ...W= Whole tone H=Half tone
Ionian-W W H W W W H C D E F G A B C
Now, if we were to start from D, the second degree of the scale, we would start from the second interval of the major scale. So the interval at the beginning goes to the end of the line. Watch the pattern as I go through all the modes...
Dorian-W H W W W H W Phrygian- H W W W H W W Lydian- W W W H W W H Mixolydian- W W H W W H W Aeolian- W H W W H W W Locrian- H W W H W W W
See how after everyone the interval at the beginning goes to the end of the line? By using this interval formula it gives us a scale degree formula. For example the interval formula of Dorian, W H W W W H W, if applied to the key of C major (which has no flats or sharps) will give us...
W H W W W H W C D Eb F G A Bb C 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8
The numbers on the bottom are the corresponding scale degrees to the note above it. We can use this formula to go through all the modes, so here it is...
Name Scale Degree Formula Chord Type ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
Ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 I maj 7 C D E F G A B C
Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8 II min 7 C D Eb F G A Bb C
Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 8 III min 7 C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
Lydian 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 8 IV maj 7 C D E F# G A B C
Mixolydian 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 8 V dom 7 C D E F G A Bb C
Aeolian 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 8 VI min 7 C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
Locrian 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 8 VII min 7 (b5) C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
Anybody who is still confused and wants to give me money for guitar lessons email me. Also, if this works out ok and you guys want me to explain Harmonic Minor and Melodic Minor and their corresponding modes just let me know. One can actually use this system for any scale, you might want to try it with some of those exotic scales that were posted earlier.
Adam
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:00:51 +0100 From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queensryche in Cleveland? Message-ID: <v01540b06aff8f0a163f5@[204.210.205.65]>
I know a few people had mentioned winning tickets to see Queensryche at the Odeon, and I heard this morning on WMMS, that it was canceled due to Geoff's voice. I went to see Queensryche at Polaris, and Geoff sang for about 30 minutes, before he thought he was going to totally blow his voice, and opted to reschedule the show...I was wondering if any Cleveland/ Ohio Jammers planning to attend the Blossom show know whether that show has been canceled, or if Queensryche is planning on rescheduling that show, and not even trying? Any information would be appreciated...I guess on the bright side, Queensryche is comming back to Columbus, and I did get to hear 30 minutes of live music...
Thanks for your time! (sorry for no DTC)
Maria
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:01:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <199707211601.LAA00403@enteract.com>
is a pretty cool guy. Funny... even though he shaved his head and has no sense of humor at all, AND is completely flaming homosexual, there was some great info in that IRC session. Everyone should hammer those html versions and check it out! You might not get to see the pages for much longer... I hear D-Man and Pat Griffin's pages both have testicular cancer.
And yeah, he was hard on proggers (telling people to get out while they can)... I hope you guys realize that he does absolutely mean what he says about how tough it is. If you have the balls to play music for a living, you have to prepare to be broke... even if you have fans and an album deal... you may well be flipping burgers in the daytime. Sad but true. I bet it's worth it just to have one person tell you how moved they were by your album though...
"KILL YOU, I WILL, YES. DIE DIE DIE, YOU WILL."
- yoda.farber.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:30:34 EDT From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Death in the consumer aisle leads to Chris Merlo shaving his Message-ID: <19970617.221319.7551.0.george.farber@juno.com>
DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!!
Whatever happened to... Predictability? The D-Man, flaming boy, The evening DT?
When you're lost out there and your bunghole hurts DT is waiting to do something really, really cool, BUNGHOLE!!!!
DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!! DIE!!!!!
p.s. hugs and kisses
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