YTSEJAM Digest 2777
Today's Topics:
1) Video Games music
by Gustavo Galembeck <gustavog@icmsc.sc.usp.br>
2) NDTC
by woot@crypted.com
3) advice for unsigned progers
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
4) My Ytsejam Parody
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
5) No soup for you, and, Mr. Wizard teach us modes
by caber1@concentric.net
6) Re: advice for unsigned progers
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
7) **** Maryland Jammers ****
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
8) Stuff
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
9) Parodies
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2774
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) FALLING TO INFINITY...
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
12) FALLING TO INFINITY...
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
13) Portnoy's log :)
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
14) Yearning to Live
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
15)
by
16) IRC Session
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) modes (No DTC, but it's cool)
by zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:51:27 -0200 (GRNLNDDT)
From: Gustavo Galembeck <gustavog@icmsc.sc.usp.br>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Video Games music
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.970720222607.13546A-100000@venus.icmsc.sc.usp.br>
Hey! there are more Final Fantasy fans around here! FF3 has the best
soundtrack I've ever seen in a game. Castlevania IV and Actraiser have
excellent songs too... and I think everybody who played Rock'n Roll Racing
remeber it (don't you?)! Nintendo machines aside, I liked the Sonic 2,
Columns and Revenge of Shinobi songs (by the way, ROS songs were composed
by Yuzo Koshiro, responsible for several great game sountracks). I don't
know very well these newer machines (Playstation, N64, etc). Do you know
if they have games with good songs?
Breck
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 19:45:43 -0600
From: woot@crypted.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC
Message-ID: <199707210149.TAA05852@mailmx.micron.net>
is it just me or is Contact the coolest movie in the history of the world?
I'll be seeing it for the third time next week.
Just picked up X-Com 3: Apocalypse and it is even better than the first
two. anyone who likes *very* involved and complicated games involving
killing all sorts of nasty aliens should definitely give this a whirl.
Picked up Adrian Legg High Strung Tall Tales and am pretty impressed with
it. It's a lot different than anything I've heard. Not as aggressive at Di
Meola and with a bit of a country twang to it. I like it, and at $3.91 not
a bad deal.
woot
16 jams to go!
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:17:25 -0400
From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: advice for unsigned progers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970721021725.006bf830@pop.mindspring.com>
Wow Mikes answer on the advice for the unsigned prog rockers really sucked,
he said quit get out while you can..
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:28:33 -0400
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Ytsejam Parody
Message-ID: <33D2C951.3CDA@bu.edu>
Here goes:
Whaddyathink? Hah!!!
:)
-- /* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@cs.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://www.channel1.com/users/wacky/ * http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:05:34 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: No soup for you, and, Mr. Wizard teach us modes Message-ID: <33D2EE1E.7302@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> > Subject: Re: Sno good Savatage voters > Hey John, Do you or your sister have any Savatage CDs you'd like to send > my way? I know a ton of people who'll gladly take them. ;-)
Hehe, I've two DWD's, but, they're both mine!!! :) ___ Ok, D-Man man tried to explain the modes to everyone but he didn't write those crazyian mode names so here they are with the tone stuff after them.
Ionian(same as Major) (W-W-H-W-W-W-H) Dorian (W-H-W-W-W-H-W) Phrygian (H-W-W-W-H-W-W) Lydian (W-W-W-H-W-W-H) Mixolydian (W-W-H-W-W-H-W) Aeolian(same as Minor) (W-H-W-W-H-W-W) Locrian (H-W-W-H-W-W-W) [I just learned this 3 days ago]
Notice how they repeat. It's always in the same order just starting at a different point.
W=Whole tone (example, A to B) H=Half tone (example, B to C)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:15:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: advice for unsigned progers Message-ID: <199707210315.WAA05726@parka.winternet.com>
> > Wow Mikes answer on the advice for the unsigned prog rockers really sucked, > he said quit get out while you can..
Don't take that too seriously!! I think he just wanted to make sure people know even for a larger band like DT it isn't easy. So it is even harder for the smaller ones. Just be prepared for the long hard road ahead.
But then again, I have only met him a few times so I could be completely wrong in my translation here.
Natahn Bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- savaweb@winternet.com Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.savatage.com www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 02:27:33 -0400 From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: **** Maryland Jammers **** Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970721062733.006b3d70@pop.mindspring.com>
any of you know any bands in need of a Guitarist/Keyboardist? i am in dire need of a band, especially one that wants to play prog, but any other style would do (besides country ofcourse, but that goes without saying). please email me if ya have any info thanx...
Rocky Dean iban@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~iban
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 23:25:58 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <199707210625.XAA15529@goodnet.com>
On Deep DT thoughts: Ernie, you're too cool!!
Larry: good luck on the conversion. It took the better part of a year to get Melissa to give up Coolio and Boyz II Men and turn to DT, Rush, and King's X. Not an easy process. :)
King's X "Acoustic Spirits", well the release day is today, and the first batch of outgoing is ready... and as usual, the print shop hasn't delivered the liners yet. They expect them to be done within the next 48 hours, so I guess it ain't much of a delay after all. They're chronically unreliable, but I gotta cut them slack because they make my liners the way I want them, inexpensively, and they don't care that I'm blatantly bootlegging stuff. Plus my mother-in-law works for them. Hey, it's not what you know... it's WHO you know. So basically as soon as I get the liners, batch 1 hits the postal truck.
Thanks everyone for being yourselves! It's been one hell of an interesting summer so far, I shit you not!!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 23:31:45 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Parodies Message-ID: <199707210631.XAA16108@goodnet.com>
They've been really good lately, folks. Bravo!! I think Itchy is in the lead for the best one so far. His Wait for DT parody had the perfect rhythm and meter to it, and just syllabically mirrored WFS almost to a "T". Well done to everyone else as well... I'll now go sniff some armpits while I post forever... :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:00:43 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2774 Message-ID: <199707210700.AAA18564@goodnet.com>
All sorts of stuff... :)
> a minute I had another favorite game. Super Castlevania IV is another > hot one...those songs kicked ass. I remember makin' a recording on tape
I can't believe someone actually remembers this. To this day I think few 16-bit games ever had the musical power of SC4. About the only other SNES games I could think of with noteworthy tuneage on them were Super Metroid, Secret of Mana, and Link (to a lesser extent). On the N64, they range from brilliant to ho-hum. I don't like the slap-happy poppy shit, but the music from the water levels of Mario64 is brilliant (from Jolly Roger Bay and the sub base).
> [Q&A with Mike Bahr] > I thought I'd just whip up a little question and answer session for > Mike Bahr. Too bad I've only arranged the question part, but seeing > as he'd look crazy for 'overlooking' these questions, I'd say it'd be > safe to bet these will get answered.
Cool!!
> 1. Which of your discs is YOUR favorite? You can't name one so > it'll sell better. The honest truth. I'd bet it's Acoustic Dreams.
I'd have to say Acoustic Spirits (King's X), followed by Acoustic Dreams and then Precious Things in third. When you hear Acoustic Spirits, you'll understand why. It's like AD, but with more tunes!! :)
Lately I'm happier and happier with Virtual Songs and Inside The Storm, and less and less happy with Subconscious and Cygnus. I look at the Subcon CD and I'm like "Did I actually MAKE this bland bootleg? Damn, I wish I knew then what I know now about sound cleanup and packaging design." It's still not _bad_... but I don't listen to any of the CDs very much (I hear them dozens of times in preproduction) and I can honestly say I _never_ listen to Subcon now. I guess it's kinda like Rush never listening to anything pre-2112 anymore.
> 2. On these CD-Rs, how are you making them 'counterfeit proof'? > Take James Colberg's CD dupes of your previous discs. They're the > standard CD-R with a magic marker title. (I love your service > though, James, don't get me wrong.) Are these CD-Rs professionally > printed on?
I use laser labels now to at least make them _look_ the part. :) The Tori Amos discs were the only CDR release I did without these, because I didn't have a good enough printer at the time. And I've been lucky enough to have favourites like George Fan and Scotchman doing art for the CD label itself. PT and DW were Fan's work. As much eye candy as I can possibly add to a release, I add. As for the new CDR replicas of foreign boot CDs... well let's just say I'll be using the Colberg technique. :)
> 3. You can't be serious when you say you're going to strand us with > one DT disc a year. Ok, this isn't a question. :)
It looks like that fear is over. You'll all find out why soon enough, cuz I can't say anything definitive. But I'll say this: Mosaic orders (DT) are about to open (once I get BOTH KX and E2E shipping, I will be comfortable with doing another release). I never want to slow down releases but I've been doing it as a courtesy to the band.
> 4. You're always advertising that you don't make much if any doing > these CD projects. Sounds honorable, but I could care less if you > pocketed $20 out of $25. I'd hate to see you slaving over these > things just for these ingrate, amp-connoisseur, George Farber-esque, > D-Men on this list. :) Ok, this isn't a question either.
Well, thanks I guess. I could post a cost analysis if I cared to actually crunch the numbers, but at present, I'd say I'm pocketing $7-8 out of each $25 sale. Given that both Melissa and I work on the discs, and it takes 37 minutes to burn each one, that works out to around $6 per hour for the two of us, as though we both had menial jobs. I can live with this. (It ain't luxury, but it's pretty cool.) The biggest parts of the costs of the CDs used to be raw material, but now it's development. Example: I'm paying out $400 for the digital master of Experience to Extremes. Why? You'll understand why when you hear it. :) Also equipment costs are part of development and they're pretty steep. I'd never want or need 8 gigs of drive space if I weren't doing CDs. (4+1+1+Jaz).
> 5. Will you ever do a wider release Queensryche disc, preferably not > from HiTNF?
OK, I'll spill. I'm working on a full Ryche release now, with vintage material from the EP/Warning/Rage era.
> 6. Would you ever clip Chris Ptacek's toenails for free?
Only after he passed out drunk at a party, and only because my friends would be playing a sick practical joke on him involving a polaroid and their schlongs. :) (anyone ever listen to Sam Kinison?)
> 7. Would you do a 'To Live Forever Chronicles' DT disc just for > D-Man?
Enh? Why would he want it? TLF doesn't age very well, for a DT song. My opinion only.
> 8. What facet of production is being done in a foreign country these > days? :)
Some cool people in Europe listen to the initial pressing, and generally they e-mail me and say "Cool! Go with it!" and that's about the size of it. So it's Made in Luxembourg. :)
> 9. Where did you find a chick that's so into this stuff? I > literally can't even force feed DT to any chick I'm with.
See one of my previous messages. It took around a year to purge her of rap and hip-hop. I like to think that I let the music stand on its own. Melissa was often stuck at home with nothing to do following a work injury 2 years ago, and she decided to enrich herself with the entire contents of my CD collection.
> 10. You have to be tired of plopping CDs into that burner. When are > you going to retire?
You bet I am. It's not bad as work goes though. Better than plopping price tags onto canned goods, or plopping a beef pattie onto the grill "and some Fries with that". It's clockwork now. You all would be really impressed. Whenever I'm going anywhere, I leave a CD writing. When I go to bed, I leave a CD writing. Melissa puts on a new CD when she gets up. (She's the morning glory, I'm the night owl). And even when my tasks for the day are done and the friends and I are playing Magic, I continually make Cds, checking every 40 minutes to throw in a new one. The biggest frustration of all: unexplained burn failures.
> 11. Have you experienced any fraudulent activity or shady behavior > by Jammers? I've always thought it would be easy to say, "Woops, I > never got my disc," to get a duplicate in the mail a few days later. > How do you protect yourself from George Farbers like that?
Yes, I have. I have lost a lot of money due to this, and when Melissa put her college accounting education to good use and re-organized the paper end of my operation, this stuff more or less disappeared. The worst of the violators were in Europe, and would demand constant re-sends. I shouldn't generalize though because many great customers of mine live in Europe, and they are all very patient with the mail delay. With Melissa at the reins, all re-sends go certified, and there isn't much call for further resends after that. :)
> 12. If the 80's was the 'me' generation, and the 90's the 'we' > generation, what will the 00's be?
The decade where I pick up the tattered pieces of our civilization and dominate as both man and God in a post-apocalyptic war zone.
> the ambient tracks here and there are brilliant)..and my favorites for > OLD Nintendo were Shadowgate, Trojan, Section Z, and the almighty > Castlevania (pain in the ass Grim Reaper w/ those friggin'
Oh yes, old Castlevania: a classic. Also NES Solstice, for true musical enjoyment.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 04:13:54 -0400 From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FALLING TO INFINITY... Message-ID: <199707210813.EAA07141@darkstar.icdc.com>
..is not in stores yet.
>> Might be if I were talking about Pee-Wee. But that quote I attributed to >>Paul Wallace Herman, you know, the guy who played the youngest Tanner, >>Bryan, on TV's "ALF", and who can currently be seen playing >> industrial-marimbas for Marilyn Manson? That one. (And what a lil' >cutey!) > >Are you serious? Is that kid playing for Manson?
Sad but *true*, innit?
Hey, did you know the half-man/half-alligator had babies?
So, apparently Nostradamus has predicted one humdinger of a winter for 1998...
<grin>
Brian Henderson, The Noonward Cyberburlap Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." -- T. Pratchett
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 04:18:18 -0400 From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FALLING TO INFINITY... Message-ID: <199707210818.EAA07164@darkstar.icdc.com>
Should be "Falling INto Infinity". Caught that on the way out. Damn "In" key, always sticking...
Brian Henderson, Mahavishnu Cyberburlap Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"Fools! The victory you've obtained is hollow as bone." -- Phalyn
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 02:08:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Portnoy's log :) Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970721020634.5109A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
For those that missed the IRC chat with Mike Portnoy last night, or those who were there and want to relive it, I have put the edited version up on the web. All the info is there, I just corrected grammar and spelling and stuff like that, and spaced it so the questions and answers are more apparent. It's at:
http://www.missouri.edu/~c675311/mikeirc.html
Chris Merlo also has a slightly less edited version up at:
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/portnoy.txt
=20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:06:31 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yearning to Live Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970721190631.006eb918@powerup.com.au>
Yearning to Live
There was no time for games No energy for Manga The pointlessness of Scrabble slips away Watching 'My Three Sons' alone I stop to change the tape With confidence and bowel-control
I look at my life and see no understanding I'm waiting to find a point for being I'm begging you from the bottom of my heart to show me some understanding
I like to watch golf Like some people never do So find me Tiger Find me Ian Baker-Finch When the sandtraps bring me to my knees And I stand here drained of strength Find me Tiger Find me Ian Baker-Finch
The way your life is makes all the difference It's what decides if you'll enjoy the pain that you will feel The way your life is makes all the difference In yearning to live Here before me is my soul I'm yearning to live I'll stay in my room til I've no sperm to give No sperm to give
Smelling my own odor Whafting all it's vapours I fall down fainting from B.O. The 90's bring new perfumes A new fragrance to be found I smelt my dog til I fell down
Once again I have another shower To get the fumes away
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Another chance to have no life Watching Leno in the dark Talking on IRC to braindead no-lifers It just bores me right out of my mind As I realise that I have no life I yawn til I'm in pain My tongue is bitten by a tooth
The way your life is makes all the difference It's what decides if you'll enjoy the pain that you will feel The way your life is makes all the difference In yearning to live Spread before me are my rolls So forever hold your cream and hot jam tarts In the garden shed at the back of dad's place I'm yearning to live
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 02:53:15 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IRC Session Message-ID: <199707210953.CAA00105@gms.gmsnet.com>
Thanks to all who participated and a big THANKS to Mike Portnoy... you are PHAT... :)
Good job and THANX to all who were involved in making this thing run smoothly... Skadz, Chris Merlo, and DreamEvil for his last minute effort to field questions.
And a big booger to Matt Schnoor for not showing up... :P
We had a user count of 110!! :)
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:57:42 EDT From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: modes (No DTC, but it's cool) Message-ID: <19970617.193946.4319.2.zarnoff069@juno.com>
>Play a C major scale, where C is the first note, D the second, etc. This >mode has a name, but it's also called C Major or The Major Scale. It's Ionian...it's the happy mode...
>Now, >play the C major scale, but start on D, so it's DEFGABCD. This is called >D Something, even though it's in the key of C. This is like the D Major >scale, but with the third and seventh flatted. Very dark sounding.
This is dorian (1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 8)...It's also called Harmonic Minor...What characterizes this mode is the b3 and major sixth...it's very blues/rock sounding...
>Now play a C scale EFGABCDE. You now have a mode called E >Something, but >the key signature is C.
This is phrygian (1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 8)...What ccharaterizes this mode is the b2...the best way to describe this is that it sounds angry, especially if you emphasize the b2 - 1 interval...
(To continue on the same idea) If you start the C major scale on F (FGABCDEF) This is called Lydian (1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 8)....The #4 characterizes this mode...this is major, but sounds kind of spacey (Think Pink Floyd)
If you start the C major scale on G (GABCDEFG) you get Mixolydian (1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 8)...The major third and b7 characterize this mode...This is also major, but sounds kind of jazzy and can be played instead of the blues scale over some blues progressions...
If you start the C major scale on A (ABCDEFGA) you get Aeolian (1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 8)....The major second and the flat sixth characterize this mode...This is the saddest of all the modes...It is also called Natural Minor...When you think minor, you usually think Aeolian...
If you start the C major scale on B (BCDEFGAB) you get Locrian (1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 8)....The flat fifth characterizes this mode (The flat fifth interval was also called the devil's tone in medieval times. Because of it's ugly sound, they believed the devil invented it.)....most people don't even use this mode because it's too weird sounding....It is the ultimate dark minor...if you want to sound sick and demented (which is no all that bad, mind you) use this mode...
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