YTSEJAM Digest 2783
Today's Topics:
1) Lames JaBrie
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Re: Cassy, Time Travel, Nothing To Lose
by Laussade@aol.com
3) Re: DT on Howard Stern
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
4) DT on Stern
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Re: Can we have some more DDTT???
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) re: Angra
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
7) Magna Carta "tribute" albums
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
8) DTDT's, or DDTT's or whatever you want to call them
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
9) Scarred
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) Ageism rears its ugly, uh, head?
by "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
11) re: Angra
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
12) Time Travel
by Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
13) Mutha's Day Out
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
14) music and stuff...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:04:20 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lames JaBrie
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970722180418.007c7210@postoffice.syspac.com>
Is James Labrie really buffed or is he just fat in all the right places?
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cassy, Time Travel, Nothing To Lose
Message-ID: <970722210510_391521729@emout01.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-07-22 07:42:38 EDT, you write:
<< What the HELL? Did Vince build one of those machines from "Contact?" Does
it properly summarize the situation to exclaim "What the HELL?" Is anyone
else feeling kinda spooky? >>
The first one was from a guy on AOL. The times on AOL mail are always eastern
time, so if whoever sent it is on the west coast, then whoever replied had a
good three hours to do it. Moowaha.
Deep Dream Theater Thought:
Man....whoa.
Head
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:13:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT on Howard Stern
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970722210711.6169B-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Al wrote,
> And Robin would probably comment on Mr. LaBrie's cute ass....
Nope, nope. Robin would definitely comment on how good-looking
Petrucci is. Definitely. Yes, he's by far the best looking guy
in the band, ass and all. ;)
Rick Audet
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:17:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on Stern
Message-ID: <199707230217.WAA01657@umbc8.umbc.edu>
The coolest DT related event on Howard was a few months ago.
Again, they were playing The Mirror while coming back from
a commercial. Howard was getting into it as usual. Then
he says "Man, when the gates of hell open up, I guarantee
this is the song that will be playing."
Quote of the decade. :)
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Can we have some more DDTT??? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970722222645.20339C-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Rocky Dean wrote:
> i always wondered something about the DT video in tokyo (the legal one). > when kev was in the shop making fun of the word "engerish" i wonder if that > would offend JM? its kinda making fun of asians and their way of speaking > engrish. i dont know, i maybe be right, i may be crazy. or i just may be the > lunatic your looking for? who knows?
John Myung was so offended by this that he could never speak again. That is why he is The Silent man. Kinda spooky huh?
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 97 22:34:00 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Angra Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+rnKpnA@tcx.tcco.com>
>From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> >Subject: angra > >I read in that Canadian radio station mailing list that Angra was >roumored to have signed with Columbia/Sony in the US. This >is good for those of us we dont want to shell out 25$+ to try >an Angra cd...
At $25, Angra is still a bargain! I think having the 4 Angra CDs and the Conception collection has kept me sane while waiting for the new DT. ---------------------------------- Red Wings - 1997 Stanley Cup Champions!!!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 97 22:42:17 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Magna Carta "tribute" albums Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+OwKpnA@tcx.tcco.com>
I thought the RUSH tribute was so cool, that when I the YES tribute CD in the used bin, I didn't even think twice. Well, as it turns out, I think it's rather boring. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on any of the other Magna Carta tribute CDs.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:34:46 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DTDT's, or DDTT's or whatever you want to call them Message-ID: <19970723015552.AAA21430@sni.pananet.com>
: then the keyboards came in. He then says, "Man, this sucks, : these guys would rock if they got rid of those damn keyboards" : Then another song came on and he was like, "Ahhh, these guys : suck..........the drummer's real good, but the rest of 'em : suck.............." :
No wonder Mike had it in his answering machine:)
: If I were James, I would cut all of my hair off and glue it to my car. Then : I'd drive around town growling at people pretending to be a grizzly bear. : And when people asked what I was doing I would tell them I am a grizzly : bear and growl at them.
ROFL! this has to be the best one so far
: You know, if I was that girl on the I+W cover I'd be carful of that : levitating heart in the middle of the room. I definitely would not want to : wait for sleep in a room with a flying, flaming heart surrounded by barbed wire.
not to mention that sparrow going straight at her..
<cracks knuckles>
I bet when the guys went clothes-shopping for the TTT video, the ppl at the store looked at them funny. And then on the way back, LaBrie probably sprained his ankle, so they got David Hasselhof to do the video (with a wig, of course:)
Being an angel must be cool, because you get to wear Doc Martens... at least that's what KevMo says.
How could anyone be moved by Feeah? I saw her the other day, and DAAAYMN she be ugly!
(that ones quite lame, but I just want to see who gets it:)
: From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> : To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> : Subject: Myung's stick, DTDT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh-huh. Well, there's Portnoy's log, and Myung's stick.... what's next, Petrucci's whammy bar? ;)
screaming in digital, Ernie
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:53:07 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Scarred Message-ID: <19970723015552.AAC21430@sni.pananet.com>
: hmm "30 years say were in this together"... is JP talking about his parents : or his he like 50 years old? if he's not 50, i am supposing, what about the : line, "cant let them rape me again", maybe thats about his uncle? or maybe
This is like deja vu and shit, because last night I was pondering on the lyrics to Scarred. I always thought it was along the same lines as Lie and The Mirror.... betrayal and stuff. But a couple of lines throw me off:
"Won't let them rape me again, you're venom's not family here, won't let them fill me with fatalistic remedies." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
For awhile, I though it had something to do with AIDS....
"30 year's say we're in this together"
considering that JP's about 30 yres old, it could only mean it's one of his parents.
and the lines following this one up till the second chorus also throw me off. Does anyone have a clue?
"Excuse me sir, why do you have hair all over your car?"
"GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!"
:) Ernie
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:15:01 -0400 From: "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ageism rears its ugly, uh, head? Message-ID: <199707230315.WAA09473@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
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In 'jam 2779, ladyheather wrote:
> then you and your friends sit till 7 am > drinking while a 40 year old man bellows about how he'd love to see you > and his wife.....LOL...
And in 'jam 2782, Al Balkiewicz wrote:
> for a 40-some-odd year-old man, he's > good some pretty damn good taste in music.........
OK, how come racists always get their comeuppance, and sexists are always berated, and homophobes get put in their place, yet the above BLATANT EXAMPLES OF AGEISM are allowed to go unchallenged on the Ytsejam??? Yes, Ageism is the last bastion of the closet bigot, and apparently we have many of them on the 'jam today. This must be stopped!
And furthermore . . . uh . . . er . . . damn, I forgot what I was gonna say, but I KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT, (or was that impotent), but anyway, you young whippersnappers should remember that you had to work for a living back when I was still in kneepants, uh, shit . . . well you know what I mean! And back in the days when I had to walk 10 miles to school in a blizzard, and it was uphill BOTH WAYS, and a man was damn glad to work for a dollar a day, well, um, THOSE WERE THE DAYS, that's for sure, mister, and you can take THAT to the bank!
I hope that straightened you all out . . .
So, Al, what kind of tastes are us "40-some-odd year-old men" supposed to have anyway? 'Cuz I think I'm way off . . . Currently in my RX-7's 10-disc
changer:
DT - "Awake" DT - "Images & Words" Fates Warning - "A Pleasant Shade of Grey" The Wallflowers - "Bringing Down the Horse" Heads or Tales - "Eternity becomes a Lie" Superior - "behind" Angra - "Holy Land" Jason Becker - "Perspectives" Megadeth - "Cryptic Writings" Tori Amos - "Boys for Pele"
In the 5-disc changer in my computer room:
King's X - "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska" Rush - "2112" Foo Fighters - "The Colour and The Shape" Rage Against the Machine - "Evil Empire" Galactic Cowboys - "Machine Fish"
In the 7-disc changer in the entertainment center:
DT - "Instrumental II" DT - "ACOS" DT - "Live at the Marquee" DT - "WDADU" Savatage - "Dead Winter Dead" Shadow Gallery - "Carved in Stone" Steve Vai - "Fire Garden"
In the computer:
VA - "Working Man" Rush tribute
In the boombox at work:
I Mother Earth - "Scenery and Fish"
Guess I'm weird for a "40-some-odd year-old man". I just hope I never grow up . . . But I have all of YOU jammers to thank for letting me know about the finest music on the planet! No hard feelings, Al . . . (actually, no hard ANYTHING here! hehe - guess what? that's just a myth too.)
YtseFart the Elder
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<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D3 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><br>In 'jam 2779, ladyheather = wrote:<br><br>> = then you and your = friends sit till 7 am<br>> = drinking while a = 40 year old man bellows about how he'd love to see you<br>> = and his = wife.....LOL...<br><br>And in 'jam 2782, Al Balkiewicz wrote:<br><font = size=3D3><br>> = for a 40-some-odd = year-old man, he's <br>> 	good some pretty damn good taste in = music.........<br><br><br>OK, how come racists always get their = comeuppance, and sexists are always berated, and homophobes get put in = their place, yet the above BLATANT EXAMPLES OF AGEISM are allowed to go = unchallenged on the Ytsejam??? Yes, Ageism is the last bastion of = the closet bigot, and apparently we have many of them on the 'jam today. = This must be stopped!<br><br>And furthermore . . . uh . . . er . . = . damn, I forgot what I was gonna say, but I KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT, (or = was that impotent), but anyway, you young whippersnappers should = remember that you had to work for a living back when I was still = in kneepants, uh, shit . . . well you know what I mean! And = back in the days when I had to walk 10 miles to school in a blizzard, = and it was uphill BOTH WAYS, and a man was damn glad to work for a = dollar a day, well, um, THOSE WERE THE DAYS, that's for sure, mister, = and you can take THAT to the bank!<br><br>I hope that straightened you = all out . . . <br><br>So, Al, what kind of tastes are us = "40-some-odd year-old men" supposed to <br>have anyway? = 'Cuz I think I'm way off . . . Currently in my RX-7's 10-disc = <br>changer:<br><br>DT - "Awake"<br>DT - "Images & = Words"<br>Fates Warning - "A Pleasant Shade of = Grey"<br>The Wallflowers - "Bringing Down the = Horse"<br>Heads or Tales - "Eternity becomes a = Lie"<br>Superior - "behind"<br>Angra - "Holy = Land"<br>Jason Becker - "Perspectives"<br>Megadeth - = "Cryptic Writings"<br>Tori Amos - "Boys for = Pele"<br><br>In the 5-disc changer in my computer = room:<br><br>King's X - "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska"<br>Rush - = "2112"<br>Foo Fighters - "The Colour and The = Shape"<br>Rage Against the Machine - "Evil = Empire"<br>Galactic Cowboys - "Machine Fish"<br><br>In = the 7-disc changer in the entertainment center:<br><br>DT - = "Instrumental II"<br>DT - "ACOS"<br>DT - "Live = at the Marquee"<br>DT - "WDADU"<br>Savatage - "Dead = Winter Dead"<br>Shadow Gallery - "Carved in = Stone"<br><font size=3D3>Steve Vai - "Fire = Garden"<br><br>In the computer:<br><br>VA - "Working Man" = Rush tribute<br><br>In the boombox at work:<br><font size=3D3><br>I = Mother Earth - "Scenery and Fish"<br><br><br>Guess I'm weird = for a "40-some-odd year-old man". I just hope I = never grow up . . .<br>But I have all of YOU jammers to thank for = letting me know about the finest music on the planet! No hard = feelings, Al . . . (actually, no hard ANYTHING here! hehe - = guess what? that's just a myth too.)<br><br><font = size=3D3>YtseFart the Elder<font size=3D3><br><br><br><br></p> </font></font></font></font></font></font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BC96F5.1485D3C0--
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:37:30 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Angra Message-ID: <4A2564DD.001315D7.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
$25 is cheap for an Angra CD here in Sydney, try AUS$39.99-$49.99 for an Angra CD, depending on the country it is imported from. I agree they are worth that kind of money. I regularly pay AUS$35-45 for Japanese imports, better quality disc, extra tracks and great packaging. Hopefully the new DT will be out in Japan earlier so I can get that one too.
Graham
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 03:32:32 +0000 From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Time Travel Message-ID: <19970723033230.AAA17618@LOCALNAME>
Vince said about the subject of time travel: > Um...yeah. That's it. No way did I build some magic machine. No >sireee, uh uh. Nope. I ain't got one of those. Of course not. :) > > /me hits 88 mph and sees some serious shit. Hey Vince, hop in your Delorian and set the date to Sept. 23, 1997. And while you're there pick me up a copy of FII. :)
Isaac
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mutha's Day Out Message-ID: <199707230406.AA15611@crl5.crl.com>
> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:25:43 -0400 (EDT) > From: MTeiper@aol.com > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Regarding Roads To Madness... > Message-ID: <970721212401_-557715535@emout05.mail.aol.com> > > [ deletia ] > > P.S. - Does anyone know what happened to the band Mutha's Day Out? "My Soul > Is Wet" is an AWESOME album... and I haven't heard "boo" from 'em since! > NOW PLAYING: Big Surprise... Mutha's Day Out "My Soul Is Wet"
Ahh, now here's something I can answer pretty definitely. Mutha's Day Out had been doing quite well and had just gotten a song on the MORTAL KOMBAT soundtrack (which BTW is really good) when disaster struck: Mikal, their lead singer, fell in love.
--While on tour in England he and a British girl, a fan, fell in love and they've since gotten married; Mikal left the band and at this point I'm not sure what he's up to (but if he isn't happily married I'll be upset 'cause MDO would have been pretty big right about now). Mikal was by far the oldest in the band (when I first met these guys he was 22 and everyone else was 19, 18, 18 and 17) and their principal songwriter, so when he left that was pretty much it.
Chuck and Jeff (guitar and bass) are still into music and are still playing with various projects in the Little Rock area, when last I called and spoke with Chuck (which was too long ago, really). Both are living in or near Batesville, AR, the ancestral home of Mutha's Day Out. :) We got one rough demo tape from them a while back that was MUCH harder and deathier than MDO, which didn't surprise us since we caught Jeff (the youngster, he was 15 when they were signed) practicing a Kreator guitar lick in their hotel room once while on tour. :)
Brice, their "other" lead singer -- MDO had two guys on vox, one reason why they were kinda neet -- had moved to Fla. to be with his girlfriend but last I heard was planning on moving back to Arkansas, and if so he'd link up with Chuck and Jeff. Rod, their drummer, is also in Batesville at last report but was not playing with Chuck and Jeff, although after the band folded he was jamming with them for a while.
It's really a shame they had to fold the band -- they were just starting to get some good notice (they were HUGE in France, outdrawing Henry Rollins Band when they opened for him) and were on track to do quite well indeed. After the band folded their management told me they were getting numerous calls from industry types just on the strength of their videos and the song on the MK soundtrack, and their sound, a cross between metal and hip-hop (with lots of vocal "trading" back and forth) predated later successful bands by a year or two.
I maintain what appears to be the world's only MDO web page, at www.crl.com/~vanyel/mdo/mdo.html, which explains how we first met them, how cool they were to us, etc. Also describes some of the shows we saw on their tour, including their first arena show in Tampa/St. Pete, which was a helluva drive but well-worth the effort.
So, uh, there ya go. :)
-- +-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+ | I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, | | And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") | +-- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel --+
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:17:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: music and stuff... Message-ID: <199707230417.AAA25195@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> The two problems with the otherwise rip-roarin' soundtrack to "Nothing To > Lose" are (1) it features a song by Coolio which bastardizes Pachelbel's > Canon. I didn't have a problem when P.M. Dawn ripped off Tears For Fears,
Yeah, i saw it on Leno. I was pissed, too.
Now that i think about it, doesn't Blues Traveller use the same chord progression in "Hook"? In that case, I guess it DOES bring you back. :)
> Did Mike say that "Where Are You Now" hasn't made the final cut? - > gutted again. This album is gonna be a stonker if that isn't good > enough to make it. > > Cheers, > > Dave (a UK Jammer).
I'm guessing a "stonker" is a good thing, right?
You kids. :P
> Can anyone please please please explain me how do > time signatures work? What do 7/8 or 3/4 mean? > What is the difference between 4/4 and 12/8?
Now it's time to get technical. :)
Simple Meter:
Simple meter is when the beat unit can be most easily divided into 2 equal parts.
Top number: number of beats per measure Bottom number: beat unit
That would mean that in 4/4, you would count 1-2-3-4 2-2-3-4 3-2-3-4... Or, if you're subdividing the eighth notes, you would count 1-&-2-&-3-&-4-& 2-&-2-&-3-&-4-&...
Compound meter:
Compound meter is when the beat unit can be most easily divided into 3.
Top number: beats per measure x3 Bottom number: nearest subdivision of the beat
This is where much argument arises, but this is how most music textbooks will define compound meter. In answer to one of the questions, the difference between 12/8 and 4/4 is that 12/8 has four beats divided into three eighth notes each, and 4/4 has four beats divided into two eighth notes each.
Some common compound meters:
12/8: four beats ber measure; dotted quarter note = one beat 6/4: two beats ber measure; dotted half note = one beat 9/8: three beats per measure; dotted quarter note = one beat 3/8: one beat per measure; dotted quarter note = one beat and variations thereupon.
The disagreements arise in areas of accents. Listen to Surrounded and the part w/ the offbeat wood block and the beginning of the verse immediately following is transcribed in the I&W book as 9/8 <I think>. I disagree. I think this is an example of alternating 4/8 and 5/8 because that is where the accents are. In Voices, also, there is the main riff in the beginning of the song, transcribed in the Awake book as 9/8. Again, I would have transcribed it as alternating 4/8 and 5/8. If I had to do it in 9/8 for some reason <to appease the great Prog God or something> I would have written the time signature this way:
9/8 (4/8+5/8)
or something to that effect. The reason for my logic is that most musicians will see the 9/8 time signature and think the textbook meter, which is a compound 3. The way the tab books transcribe it is as a simple 9.
Now, before I get flamed to hell, let me just say that I am fully aware that John Petrucci himself edited the I&W and Awake books. I still disagree with him. All you Alanis Morisette fans out there, listen to "Mary Jane" from JLP for an example of true 9/8 <or 9/16 or whatever> time.
> Take Mixolydian: g a h c d e f g ...
Wait a minute. Isn't h the symbol for Bb in German? There's no Bb in Mixolydian! This would be G Dorian!
> Or Dorian: d e f g a h c d ...
And this would be D Aeolian!
Now that everyone is thouroughly confused, I'm just kidding. I'm assuming the h is to differentiate between the not B and the flat symbol.
Whoever said that thing about the guitar with the low h string: :D!
> AND try NOT to be so smart with # and b. It's all in the notes and one > scale...
Actually, once you are familiar with the concept of modes, you can move on to MODAL TRANSPOSITION <ooooooh! amaze your friends!>!
We'll start with C Major. If you use the FIFTH <G> as the tonic and use the key signature of C Major, you'll play in G Mixolydian! Now, let's think Ab major. If you use the FIFTH <Eb> as the tonic and use the key signature of Ab major, you'll play in Eb Mixolydian. See the pattern? Let's say you want to play in B Phrygian. What key signature would you use? Yes! G Major.
Then, you can get into synthesized modes. If you use the characteristic pitches of different modes together, you get a synthesized scale. For example, if I take the #4 of Lydian, and the b7 of Mixolydian, you get the synthesized mode called Lydo-Mixolydian Mode. Or, as I like to say Mix-a-few-of'em Mode. :P
Steve Z
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