YTSEJAM Digest 2782
Today's Topics:
1) NDT Deep Thought, MP chat
by "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com>
2) Re: TIME SIGNATURES...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) Re: Time Travel
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
4) Hello me, it's me again...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
5) Some misguided people...
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
6) Re: Time Travel
by eckie@asu.edu
7) new cds/VS/Savatage/QR
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) New SAVATAGE info???
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
9) Contact, Vauxdvihl
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
10) photo gallery
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
11) Gee..
by "Dan Souza" <soyza@ibpinetsp.com.br>
12) VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE NOW!
by Pedro Filipe <nop42880@mail.telepac.pt>
13) I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
by Pedro Filipe <nop42880@mail.telepac.pt>
14) instructional video?
by Pedro Filipe <nop42880@mail.telepac.pt>
15) Re: time Sigs and misc. dung
by Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
16) DT on Howard Stern
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
17) Re: DT on Howard Stern
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:42:23 -0400
From: "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDT Deep Thought, MP chat
Message-ID: <199707221945.MAA05763@odin.ax.com>
If we gave Mike Tyson a copy of Hear In The Now Frontier, do you think
it would make him hungry?
---Thanks guys for putting the MP chat session on your web pages! Very cool.
- Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:55:37 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TIME SIGNATURES... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970722125535.007f71f0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 04:06 AM 7/22/97 -0700, someone wrote: >Can anyone please please please explain me how do >time signatures work? What do 7/8 or 3/4 mean?
7/8 means there are seven notes in a measure, and the 8th note gets the beat. So, to count out a 7/8 measure: one, two, three, four, five, six, sev. Then repeat for next measure. You don't want to say sev-en, because it's 2 syllables and you could easily be counting 8/8 (which is the same as 4/4) :)
>What is the difference between 4/4 and 12/8?
4 notes per measure, quarter (4th) note gets the beat.
12 notes per measure, eighth note gets the beat. One measure of 12/8 can be easily counted by thinking of it as 2 measures of 6/8. That's how I got through "Oh Holy Night" at a Christmas Concert last year as the solo instrument. The version I was playing was in 12/4 time.
Dude, play church music for a few years, man does it help!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:59:34 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Time Travel Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970722125932.007f7db0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 07:06 AM 7/22/97 -0700, the ever present id wrote: >> >> What the HELL? Did Vince build one of those machines from "Contact?" Does >> it properly summarize the situation to exclaim "What the HELL?" Is anyone >> else feeling kinda spooky? > <<snip>> >he lives in arizona, where they don't use daylight savings time. >therefore, since they don't "spring forward", they are 3 hours >behind EDT, instead of the normal 2 for the rest of the mountain >time zone. thus, he could have >read a message sent at 9 oclock eastern time, and it still would have >been 6 oclock for him. or maybe i'm just on crack, but i heard it >explained that way once...
Um...yeah. That's it. No way did I build some magic machine. No sireee, uh uh. Nope. I ain't got one of those. Of course not. :)
/me hits 88 mph and sees some serious shit.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:11:14 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hello me, it's me again... Message-ID: <199707222010.AA28144@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, Don't you hate when you get a nice long post ready to send off to the Jam, only to have your browser crash right near the end... Fookin' Netscape... In late August, I will be putting together a web page filled with many things musical and movie related. I would appreciate anyone's input before I get started. The trader list will definitely be on there, as will the SK list info. But aside from that, anyone know what I should put up to avoid some overall redundancy? I'm thinking about creating a referral/link page for all things DT related: i.e., how to get Mike's CDs, how to get the Ytseshirts, where to find memorabilia. Sounds like an idea? I wouldn't have all the info on my page, just the links to finding it. Oh, and by the way, since I have no computer programming background, it'll suck at first. Can you say HTML for Dummies, Stodge? It's official: DT is back at the top of my favorite artist list. With the influx of tape trades, they've been in my tape player in my car non-stop. Just when I thought no one could top Satch... But it's gonna take a lot to knock Sketches of Spain out of my favorite album spot. Got my copy of Mr. Bahr's Razing Arizona yesterday. First thing I noticed: I'll Get Even has a time listing of a little over 3 minutes, but the CD version is over 5. Then I listen to the CD: it's actually She-Wolf! Heheh... The words rokz nadz come to mind. And the version of Sweating Bullets is awesome! Oh, plus all these great reviews make me wish I had paid for Precious Things a lot earlier...:) Mr. Portnoy: <AskMe> What have you been listening to lately? <MikeP> The new DT for about two months now, nonstop. :)
Didn't his mother ever teach him to share...:P -- ______________________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:andrew.forcier@prudential.com To view the list: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytselist.txt -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://idt.net/~rmerri9/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com **************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:45:34 EDT From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Some misguided people... Message-ID: <19970618.090042.4303.2.george.farber@juno.com>
************************************************************************* Georgie Porgie: > hey! (in sarcastic tone) I'm George Farber...Blah blah blah...I'm a prick,
Albeit an extremely tiny one. (in a non-sarcastic tone)
Just keep putting it out there, pooch, hoping someone will OOH and AAH....
Some words of advice: If you wanna run with the big dogs, you gotta stop barking like a puppy :)
Oh, wait, he can't see this........ :) ***********************************************************************************
think again?
YOUR ANTI-CHRIST IS HERE!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:56:42 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Time Travel Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970722135413.4902A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Bah, Arizona follows the galactic standard Earth time. We're the only state that does!
~Eckie's gettin' sick of bein' abducted juss to play some cards with ppl from Jupiter
P.S. Joe Arpiyo (sp?) is an alien too!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new cds/VS/Savatage/QR Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970722170745.16341A-100000@bdmserver>
Since I still like a lot of the hard rock bands of the 80's I went out today and got the new Night Ranger cd Neverland. I like this cd after a first listen. I had thought Ratt's Collage was supposed to be out today. Best Buy didn't know anything about it. I looked for the new GC and Best Buy didn't have any...
Got Virtual Songs yesterday. This is the 3cd audience Rush boot. This is great quality for an audience boot. Someone should have shot that guy who screams every so often...
Read in a newsgroup that Jon Oliva sings most of the songs on the new cd. Is this true?
Anyone know the status of the QR tour? I've got 7th row for Saturday.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:03:14 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New SAVATAGE info??? Message-ID: <33D52E22.6B74@earthlink.net>
'Sup Jammers,
I picked this up on the alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive n/g and want to know if anyone else has heard about this? Nathan Bradley?
> > > > Hi, > > Here is the latest info from my web page... > > 7/18/97 > I have some Savatage info from a friend of a friend. My friend's > friend has heard the new record. He says that John Oliva is doing > most, if not all, of the vocals and that this is "the best thing > they've done in years". I don't have a release date for this yet. > I'll be trying to get a clairification on vocalists, etc. as soon > as I can. > > Additionally, the new record is coming out on Geffen.
Sounds cool..can't wait!!!
cheers, Carlo -- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:09:29 -0400 From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Contact, Vauxdvihl Message-ID: <199707222212.PAA07366@odin.ax.com>
>But the maker of Contact, the of-late unreliable Zemeckis, didn't think >we , the audience, were intelligent enough to see this, so he put in the >scene with Angela Bassett and James Woods about the 18 hours of static >to MAKE you believe her, therefore violating the intent of the movie.
Carl Sagan wrote "Contact". He believed that extraterrestrial intelligence exists throughout the universe, he was an atheist, and he was an inspiration to many people, just like Jodie Foster's character is in the movie. Zemeckis didn't violate the intent of anything, he followed Sagan's thoughts. (unless the book is different from the movie. I haven't read it).
>Jodie Foster took the existence of aliens on faith
She believed there was a good PROBABILITY that other life exists outside of the Earth, and she needed evidence to prove it. Unlike Mr. McConaughey's faith. (no religion war please). I thought Contact was one of greatest movies of the decade, a breath of fresh air in a world dominated by copy-cat non-believable action movies.
And Dream Theater should've done the soundtrack!
On to VAUXDVIHL, I read somewhere that Vauxdvihl broke up, any confirmation of this? All I know is that in January they were working on a new album. Australian jammers, help?
Elvis cyclone@securenet.net
Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:23:11 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: photo gallery Message-ID: <199707222230.RAA20166@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, if anyone wants me to scan some pictures for the Ytsejam photo gallery for them, I could do it. Mail me privately if you want me to. Also, if anyone's going to the Megadeth concert August 4 at The American in St. Louis, let me know and we can maybe hook up. BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:14:35 -0300 From: "Dan Souza" <soyza@ibpinetsp.com.br> To: "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Gee.. Message-ID: <199707222250.TAA30418@ibpinetsp.com.br>
Sebastjan Videc wrote:
> Consist of notes that are in C major scale... > Take Mixolydian: g a h c d e f g ... > Or Dorian: d e f g a h c d ... > That's the whole idea...
Humm.. I must buy a 7-string with a low-H as the 7th.. I think I'm missing some notes. :) Just kidding. I have to thank you guys, I could never figure this stuff out before.. All this modes and scales are so... so.. humm.. you know... nothing to say. Now, I know that E-Mixolydian is C major, or A-melodic-minor. %-)
> All you have to do is remember the name of the scale that starts on > particular note...!!!!!!!
SIR! YES SIR!
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Sometimes all you have to do is wait. September, right? Can't wait...DT in BRAZIL! Yeah.. :)
* Dan Souza (Jay) * Flames to soyza@ibpinetsp.com.br "Watch out where the Huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow."
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:31:14 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <nop42880@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE NOW! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722213114.00662e68@mail.telepac.pt>
The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World:
1-Steve Vai 2-John Petrucci 3-Joe Satriani
Am I right?
PS: Have any of you guys ever seen a workshop from Petrucci? He was in OPorto, Portugal a few months ago. Great stuff..
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:31:19 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <nop42880@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722213119.00663264@mail.telepac.pt>
I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! I WANT DT SCORES FOR GUITAR NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:31:27 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <nop42880@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: instructional video? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722213127.00663264@mail.telepac.pt>
Can anyone give me an opinion abou the JP instructional video?
Can anyone tell me the most common time signatures used by DT?
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:45:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: time Sigs and misc. dung Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970722172046.18680A-100000@gold.tc.umn.edu>
I know about 47,000 people will ablige this request, but, hey, I might as well look like I know something about music.
Pedro asked (in JIVE: P-funk axed): > Can anyone please please please explain me how do > time signatures work? What do 7/8 or 3/4 mean? > What is the difference between 4/4 and 12/8?
Technically, the top number is the number of beats per measure, and the bottom number indicates what note is given one beat. For example: 4/4 means 4 beats per measure and a quarter note gets one beat. 5/8 is 5 beats, and eighth note gets one beat.
Since you are asking this, I'll assume the idea of a quarter note is going over your head as well. 4/4 is the standard time sig. Listen to alternative music; that's all they know. :) You'll often hear the snare being hit on the 2nd and 4th beats, the bass on the 1st and 3rd, and eighth notes constantly on the hi-hat. That's the basic rock beat. In one measure, there are 2 bass hits and 2 snare hits. Those are the 4 quarter notes in one 4/4 measure. Eighth notes are half the length, hence the name (or twice as fast).
Putting all this together, there are some equivalencies I'll point out:
1) two 2/4 measures = one 4/4 measure 2) one 8/8 measure = one 4/4 measure (just counted differently) 3) one 5/8 measure = one 2/4 measure + half a beat (half a quarter note)
etc.
If you still have questions after digesting this (and other posts, I'm sure) you can email me privately.
bucky wrote: > >(Oh, and check the cover of ACoS to see the aforementioned photograph.) > > If there's a sucker born every minute, then I'm one of 'em. I gotta stop > believing some of this shit in here...
I think he was referring to the *INSIDE* of the cover. It's true, there is a picture of MP on the inside of ACoS. > hey all, im new to this digest and ive seen a lot of talk concerning IRC. > what exactly is it and how do i get access to the interviews and other info > that is posted there? > > thanks > > bryan
One word: FAfriggin'Q!!
Hey, anybody noticed that the 'jam rate has slacked off? I guess we need more FUCK YOU's and DIE's to keep it up (not that I'm asking for it.) :)
Chad Martin mart0312@gold.tc.umn.edu chadbert@dnrc.org O-
"You should never memorize something that can be looked up." - Albert Einstein
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:58:47 -0500 From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT on Howard Stern Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970722185843.006eac44@memphisonline.com>
I was listening to Howard Stern this morning when what do I hear him playing as they returned from a commercial........The Mirror. Damn cool!!!!!
Richard Warren rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT on Howard Stern Message-ID: <199707230049.UAA03240@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > I was listening to Howard Stern this morning when what do I hear him > playing as they returned from a commercial........The Mirror. Damn cool!!!!! > > Richard Warren > rwarren@memphisonline.com > >
What's even cooler is that sometimes he actually gets into it, and you hear goin', "C'mon! yeah!" and hear him him banging on the desk or the microphone.
One of the first times it came on, he was like," Man, this friggin' rules, who is this?" His sidekick Fred then said, "Dream Theater". Howard replies, "Man, these guys kick ass"
He then asked if they had the album, so Fred fished it out...
He proceeded to play the first couple of seconds of most of the album, then proceeded to say "Is there any singing on this thing??" He put the Mirror back on, through most of the intro, then the keyboards came in. He then says, "Man, this sucks, these guys would rock if they got rid of those damn keyboards" Then another song came on and he was like, "Ahhh, these guys suck..........the drummer's real good, but the rest of 'em suck.............."
I guess that's a reaction from people who don't have patience to listen everything through.
I gotta hand it to him, for a 40-some-odd year-old man, he's good some pretty damn good taste in music.........
Mr. Portnoy talks about it a small bit in the interview.... who knows, maybe if call in the show, we can get them on the show, since a few of them are from Long Island, where Howard lives, when the next album is released.....
Personally, I think that Mike and Howard would hit it off pretty well - dunno 'bout the other guys though, probably Derek too......the others are pretty shy
And Robin would probably comment on Mr. LaBrie's cute ass....
-Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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