YTSEJAM Digest 2787
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2786
by Frank Benenati <frank@emeraldlink.com>
2) Home Sweet Home
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
3) ageism
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
4) The Who, and other stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
5) Fix for '96
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) Night Ranger
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) Going to LA + SD
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) money to burn.....
by "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer@worldnet.att.net>
9) The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World
by "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt>
10) Deep thoughts
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
11) DDTT, and then some ...
by gra@provida.no
12) hootenannies and burritos
by Binky <spazzoid@MIT.EDU>
13) Meshuggah
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2786
by Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
15) Howard Stern
by Khurram Elahi <kelahi@ddseurope.demon.co.uk>
16) ***Final*** Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
17) You can subdue but never tame me...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:16:38 -0400
From: Frank Benenati <frank@emeraldlink.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2786
Message-ID: <01BC97CF.5CA56960@fmb>
> --NP: Night Ranger - Neverland (not as good as Journey's comeback album)
Bullshit!!!!
I AM the biggest Journey Fan in the world....(just ask D-Man)
and the new Night Ranger album, Neverland....that slab of live flesh on
Disc, Rocz my Nadz harder than anything I've purchased in 1997 and most
likely in '96 including Journey Cumslab album called Trial By Fire...
-Frank
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:40:19 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Home Sweet Home
Message-ID: <33D6EAC3.59AF@auburn.net>
> Subject: Home Sweet Home
> quality. However, this CD includes Only a Matter of Time, and Moon
> Bubbles, which don't appear on many other bootlegs.
>
> Track list:
> ...snip
This almost looks like an abbreviated version of Milan '93, which also
includes Metropolis, Afterlife, Eve, and Learning To Live. I know Milan
'93 is a copy of another boot, but it should be at least an A- boot by
anyone's standards. Thank you very much for your generosity, by the way
- this post was not intended to slag you in any way whatsoever, it's
just an observation.
-- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * Progressive tape swap - http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html * ***********************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:45:27 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ageism Message-ID: <199707240553.AAA15393@Walden.MO.NET>
My dad's 61 and he likes Savatage (at least DWD). One day last Fall, I woke up to him chanting "Savatage, Savatage," then the beginning strains of DWD started :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 02:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Who, and other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970724015447.18018D-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> > Subject: the who (question) > > Um.. my mom and dad are gonna go see the who here in Pr, tomorrow > night.. and they invited me.. i was wondering... are they anything near > progressive? ive seen them mentioned here somewhere or somehow.. can > anyone help me on this.. please private email me :)
OK, before I answer the prog question, I'll answer the "should I go?" question.
What are you, fuckin' loopy?? Besides being one of the best rock bands ever, they put on one of the greatest shows you'll ever see. If you *ever* get the chance to see them, go without hesitation. (Especially since you never know how much more Townshend has in him.)
OK, now for the prog question. My answer is "not really." They *do* have two concept albums (Tommy and Quadrophenia) and a couple of longer songs. Each member of the band is/was extremely talented at his instrument. Pete Townshend is one of the greatest songwriters in rock, without qualification. And if John Entwistle's bass playing doesn't impress you, you're clinically dead.
And, BTW, you can't go wrong with a Who studio album (or the live one). Each one is a genuine classic.
Hey, anyone have any Who boots? I got some neato stuff to trade.
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> From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> > Subject: ACOS cover, ageism > > Um, no. The original message said something along the lines of "Mike's > right arm, and his tech's left arm, are huge because they had to pull > a boy out of some sand, in which he was buried up to his knees." Then > added something further about Mike's arm, then said "check the cover > of ACOS." Try it again and see if you get it :)
I'm so misunderstood. :)
DDTT: You think that if Mr. Petrucci and Mr. Myung had different first names, maybe it wouldn't have been such a big deal and Labrie would have kept the Kevin?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:17:48 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fix for '96 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970724071748Z-3671@ms.Kallback.com>
Can someone send me a set list? Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:29:30 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Night Ranger Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970724072930Z-3675@ms.Kallback.com>
Jay said: >> --NP: Night Ranger - Neverland (not as good as Journey's comeback album) >Frank said: > Bullshit!!!! the new Night Ranger album, Neverland....that slab of live >flesh on Disc, Rocz my Nadz harder than anything I've purchased in 1997 and >most likely in '96
I love NR, but I must agree with Jay. While it's a solid album, there's nothing close to Sister Chistian, Don't Tell Me You Love Me, or You Can Still Rock in America on it. It's not very hard at all, almost as mellow as the Shaw/Blades cd. At least it's not Grunge Ranger!!!
Frank, you must not buy very many cd's. (or you have very sensitive Nadz) :) -Trevor
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:16:03 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Going to LA + SD Message-ID: <199707240816.BAA17835@goodnet.com>
Hi all.
Well, hopefully I'll have all mail answered before I go, and shipments are pretty much where I figured they'd be. From Friday to Tuesday I'll be in California; specifically LA and San Diego, since they've got me judging some Magic pro tour qualifiers. Any e-mail sent to me will be answered when I get back. Hope this doesn't tick anyone off.
Take care everyone! - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:54:49 +0000 From: "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: money to burn..... Message-ID: <19970724085544.AAA20016@[207.147.169.134]>
Jammers
I had to delete my jams dating back to last August...GRRRRRR...
Anyways, I just picked up Angels Cry, Symphony X Divine Wings, Holy Land and Dickinson's Latest. All nice additions thanx to all of your recomendations.
Back to my point....
Since I can't re-read my old jams to refresh my memory I was hoping that some of you could recommend or give me descriptions of Angra's other recordings as well as the same info on Symphony X and Stratovarius.
What I would REALLY like to hear is a Band combining the best of Symphony X and Angra - Angra's songwriting and melodies with X's Balls and Chunk and Solos.
( C'mon No fair teasing me I AM on this list cos I'm a Jammer )
Wuz gonna see Fates here in Phoenix at the Mason jar but they
CHANGED THE DATE TO A MONDAY!!!
can't go gotta work
Talk about small venues I have some friends in a band called Meld who play at this venue and we think it may hold 150 people (if nobody eats b4 the show) This place is probably smaller than your apartment. Why is Fates playing these types of venues...very sad....Great Band
NMC (No musical content)
Buy a Diamond Monster video Card
Download GL Quake and The Drivers
Play Quake until your Mouse falls apart
No Xcuses
Thanx fer yer Time
Nightstalker
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:16:47 +0100 From: "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World Message-ID: <19970724101700.AAA21544@host.telepac.pt>
> The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World: > > 1-Steve Vai > 2-John Petrucci > 3-Joe Satriani > > Am I right?
Of course not. Maybe are the 3 guitarrists you like more, is quite different. For me Malmsteen is on the top of the list. Blackmore and Timo Tolkki are also some of my guitar players and Petrruci of course, but there are more...
> PS: Have any of you guys ever seen a workshop from Petrucci? > He was in OPorto, Portugal a few months ago. Great stuff..
I see him in Lisbon. Eu sou do Barreiro e tu e's do Porto ? Eu por acaso sou do FCP. (For portuguese only)
Bye Antonio Sousa zombie@mail.telepac.pt
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:36:17 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Deep thoughts Message-ID: <199707241136.OAA11203@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
They have even released a video of Dream Theater selling out. Wasn't it called "Live in Tokyo"?
Raitz
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:49:09 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DDTT, and then some ... Message-ID: <412564DE.003FD715.00@oslo1.provida.no>
DT by a DT fan: "A lot of religions claim that non-members of the particular religion will go to hell when they die. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people go to hell."
Ooops, I said rel***n .....
This may have passed right before my eyes, but: Have any of you guys a HTML page with the MP interview on IRC ??
-.profile
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:13:44 EDT From: Binky <spazzoid@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hootenannies and burritos Message-ID: <199707241213.IAA12995@ringworld.MIT.EDU>
Hey y'all, here's proof that D-man is *not* a hootenanny! Well, he c o u l d be if his head transformed into a Phillips screwdriver or a ratchet, but that would be stellar beyond all ... pudding mix.
Anyway, here's the definition from good ol' Webster's: ============================================================== From: Wordsmith <wsmith@wordsmith.org> Subject: A.Word.A.Day--hootenanny
hoo.te.nan.ny n. 1: Gadget 2: A gathering at which folksingers entertain often with the audience joining in John M. Broder, Clintons at Home on the Range, Los Angeles Times, 29 Aug 1995. "Dinner was followed by an intimate hootenanny featuring songs by James Taylor, Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson and Carly Simon." To subscribe or unsubscribe A.Word.A.Day, send a message to wsmith@wordsmith.org with "Subject:" line as "subscribe <Your Name>" or "unsubscribe". http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/ ===============================================================
I say we have a DT hootenanny some day but instead of singing folk songs, we hold hands and noses around the fireplace while kazooing "Burning My Soul" in rounds.
BTW, does anyone know what Mike Portnoy's favorite Taco Bell burrito is? Somehow that didn't make it into the irc conversation. *grin* I'm guessing that it's the beef burrito supreme.
Love and a flogged Choco-Taco, Binky
P.S. Check out Rebel Radio- a great balls-to-the-wall RealAudio radio station. Last afternoon I heard Korn, Pantera, Tool, and Anthrax. And then my manager told me to turn it down. Bummer. http://www.rebelradio.com
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 15:02:01 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Meshuggah Message-ID: <9707241302.AA00346@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Just a short one today (as the bishop said to the actress).
I know I'm not the only person on this list sick enough to like Meshuggah, so I thought I'd ask if any of you know anything about the new album. I was under the impression that it was due for release sometime in July. I checked the Nuclear Blast site and found that Meshuggah aren't listed anymore. Did I miss something? All info gratefully received, either private or here on the Jam.
I did, however, see that their guitarist, Fredrik Thorendal, has released a solo effort called 'Sol Niger Within'. The people from Nuclear Blast describe it as "sweet sounds of thrash mixed with infrno jazz". Methinks another trip to my CD dealer is called for very soon.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Kyuss - Wretch
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:45:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2786 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970724081815.17508C-100000@gold.tc.umn.edu>
some uncultured heathen said: > Um.. my mom and dad are gonna go see the who here in Pr, tomorrow > night.. and they invited me.. i was wondering... are they anything near > progressive? ive seen them mentioned here somewhere or somehow.. can > anyone help me on this.. please private email me :)
I know it says email privately, but hey, I might as well tell all you jamsters how the Who actually was, considering I saw them two days back at the Target Center in Minneapolis, and I'll answer the heathen's question.
I'll start with the question. Not really. The Who goes waaayyy the fook back. They were around to shape modern rock and roll around the time of Led Zepplin, Jimi, Black Sabbath and the like. They are kinda prog in the fact that they have done thematic albums, are currently touring with 13 band members, have long songs, and are amazing instrumentalists. But, you won't hear prog music, you'll hear, good, clean rock and roll. Highly reccommended; you may never get the chance to see legends like this again.
Now to ostensibly contradict that last sentance, I don't think the show I saw was worth the $52.50 I paid for the ticket. If I had another chance, I would have bought semi-nosebleed seats, and here's why. The interaction with the audience started with the last song of the set. They were touring as if they were supporting Quadraphenia, and not as if it was a reunion tour. They played most if not all of that album. The set was something like: song, video clip, song, video clip, etc. uninterrupted. It was basically the story of the album in vid and song. Before the last song, they finally said, "Oh, hi. We're the Who, by the way." in so many words. It would have been much cooler if I were aquainted with the album.
That's what sucked. The things that were cool was first, the 13 piece band. 5 piece brass section, 2 on keys, one on auxillary percussion, Peter Townshend and his brother on guitar, Entwhistle on bass, Ringo Starr's son on drums, and mindblock on the usual singer's name. There were many places where all of them were going on a big jam, and it just rocked. The sound was so full and rounded out, it was amazing. Peter is 100% suck free on guitar. The encore was what was cool. They played a lot of their good old tunes, like Behind Blue Eyes, Who Are You, and The Substitute, but they never got around to their great goofy tunes like Pinball Wizard, Squeeze Box, Goin' Mobile, and My Wife. Never did Magic Bus or the Seeker, either. If it were up to me, I'd still be there making requests. Entwhistle did a motherfucker of a bass solo, too. Damn, that's a good band.
Confused about it all,
Chad Martin mart0312@gold.tc.umn.edu chadbert@dnrc.org O-
"Never memorize something that can be looked up." -Albert Einstein
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:26:01 +0100 From: Khurram Elahi <kelahi@ddseurope.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Howard Stern Message-ID: <07GLbHA52y1zYwBf@ddseurope.demon.co.uk>
This is my first time on ytsejam - hope not the last. Howard Stern is a genious - has made a living out of talking about anything. It's much better to here DT on his show than not at all - an interview would be big news for DT on his show. You never know how it would turn out. I'm English but was living in CA for 7 months - and I'm gutted that I'm gonna miss FW, Marillion, and Fish. I used to live 2 minutes from Club Kaos in Fremont. Don't tell me DT are gonna play near San Fran soon!!! thanks, -- Khurram
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 08:50:55 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: metalblade@arastar.com, ytsejam@ax.com, progress@ezekiel.enteract.com, Subject: ***Final*** Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates Message-ID: <9706248697.AA869759543@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
These are the latest Fates Warning tour dates, these should be the final dates according to Metal Blade Records. (as always confirm these with your local venues):
Help Wanted: Anyone who is able to help promote Fates Warning's U.S. Tour (distributing flyers, etc.), please contact Tracy at Metal Blade <EGWENEALVE@aol.com>. If you can do anything at all, the band would greatly appreciate it. Let's help the guys have a successful tour!
1997 U.S. Tour Dates (As of July 24, 1997):
07/28 Phoenix,AZ Mason Jar 07/30 Lubbock,TX Palladian Live 07/31 San Antonio,TX White Rabbit 08/01 Houston,TX The Abyss 08/02 Fort Worth,TX Caravan Of Dreams 08/03 Lafayette, LA Shanahans 08/05 Pittsburgh, PA The Metropol 08/06 Danbury, CT Tuxedo Junction 08/07 South Amboy, NJ Club Bene 08/08 West Springfield,VA Jaxx Nite Club 08/09 Mt. Vernon, NY Lodown 08/10 Philadelphia,PA Trocadero 08/12 Chanpaign, IL Mabels 08/13 Columbus,OH Alrosa Villa 08/14 Westland, MI The Mosquito Club 08/15 Cleveland,OH Sidekicks 08/16 Cincinnati, OH Annie's 08/17 Chicago, IL House Of Blues 08/20 San Diego, CA Canes *** New *** 08/21 Corona, CA Showcase Theater *** New *** 08/22 Fremont, CA Club KAOS *** New *** 08/23 West Hollywood, CA Whiskey A Go Go
Check http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/tour.htm for details...
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning (Island in the Stream) & Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book) *** Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit ***
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:36:57 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: You can subdue but never tame me... Message-ID: <199707241636.AA10474@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, Could anyone with experience running a listserv mailing list (Dan?) please e-mail me help me out. I'm curious as to costs, etc. and capabilities. Don't you hate when its lunchtime, and you're hungry for something specific, but you just can't put your finger on what it is. Like its right at the tip of your tongue... I've been buying a lot of jazz CDs lately. My metal collection is suffering, but oh well... Got Brubeck's Time Out, now that it finally went on sale. Got Stan Getz: Best of the West Coast Sessions, Grant Green: Feelin The Spirit, and Joshua Redman: Live at the Vanguard (used!). Anyone wants reviews, please let me know, I'll happily provide. All this and my boot buying is gonna break me. Time for a part time job after work... Someone wrote: >gonna go see the who here in Pr, tomorrow night.. and they invited me.. >i was wondering... are they anything near progressive?
You're joking right? You've NEVER heard the Who? After you check them out, there's this guy named Led Zeppelin you should listen to...:)
>While they cut out a few favorites (like Take hold of the flame) and >quite a few from the Operation Mindcrime set,
If this means they added more from PL, I'll be a happy man. If it means more from HitNF, I won't be so joyous... Yeah, that's right PL is my favorite album, go ahead and laugh. I was listening to them back at Mindcrime and I still think PL's songwriting is better. Anyway, this brings up: any Jammers going to the Garden State (fuck PNC) Arts Center show on July 27 (this Sunday)? Let me know. I'll wear DT if I know someone's gonna be there. If not, I'll wear my shirt from the PL tour. One of the best tour t-shirts I ever got... -- ______________________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:andrew.forcier@prudential.com To view the list: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytselist.txt -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://idt.net/~rmerri9/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com **************************************************************
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