YTSEJAM Digest 2788
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Meshuggah
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
2) Re: Meshuggah
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
3) whoops!
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
4) Re: Meshuggah
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
5) It gives me a migraine headache...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
6) Older Fans
by "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
7) My Nadz!
by "Frank Benenati" <frank@emeraldlink.com>
8) Trader List
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
9) Re: Journey
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) The sad state of American music listeners...(little DTC)
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
11) Re: Older Fans
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Ytsejam Fantasy Football League
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
13) Re: Home Sweet Home
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) Re: Home Sweet Home
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
15) Re: 3 best guitarists
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
16) Cool
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
17) Re: Cool
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
18) B'dut
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
19) Journey
by JE78674@ltu.edu
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:53:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
Message-ID: <v01520d0baffd0d76a153@[207.90.116.91]>
i think it was supposed to be an EP...
i haven't heard that it got released yet...
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:53:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
Message-ID: <v01520d0caffd0df7bf81@[207.90.116.91]>
i think it was supposed to be an EP...
i haven't heard that it got released yet...
Dan
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:53:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: whoops!
Message-ID: <v01520d0daffd0e02c243@[207.90.116.91]>
didn't mean to send that twice... d'oh!
Dan
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:41:42
From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970724194142.2b070aee@bamse.swip.net>
At 06.13 1997-07-24 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Just a short one today (as the bishop said to the actress).
>
>I know I'm not the only person on this list sick enough to like Meshuggah,=
so
>I thought I'd ask if any of you know anything about the new album. I was
under
>the impression that it was due for release sometime in July. I checked the
>Nuclear Blast site and found that Meshuggah aren't listed anymore. Did I=
miss
>something? All info gratefully received, either private or here on the Jam.
>
The upcoming EP is on its way! It contains the new track SANE and three
versions of Future Breed Machine, The campfire version of FBM is a country
version (!), renamed to Futile Bread Machine ... Jocke Skog of Clawfinger
remixed the other version, it is said to be very hard, making "Aztec
Two-step" sound like "tepid milk" (!) (Jens Kidaman, vox) and "cotton and
toiletpaper" (!!) (Fredrik Thordendahl, lead guit) - anyways it's 8:40
long, so I guess it's intense enough for most people. The third version is
a live version. Release date is rumoured to be August 15th, at least in
Sweden.=20
>I did, however, see that their guitarist, Fredrik Thorendal, has released a
>solo effort called 'Sol Niger Within'. The people from Nuclear Blast=
describe
>it as "sweet sounds of thrash mixed with infrno jazz". Methinks another=
trip
>to my CD dealer is called for very soon.
>
This 44 minute piece with 29 index points is a must for all the
die-hards waiting for another Meshuggah album! It includes performances by
amongst others Swedish musicians Morgan =C5gren (drums), Mats =D6berg
(synthesizers & church organ) (both involved with Frank Zappa) & Jonas
Knutsson (distorted saxophones!!!)!
Take care all!
- Mika Numminen - aarre.n@swipnet.se - http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne -
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:53:19 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: It gives me a migraine headache...
Message-ID: <199707241752.AA17165@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
On the most hallowed of eating establishments:
>does anyone know what Mike Portnoy's favorite Taco Bell burrito is?
I'd say the Double Decker Taco, as it technically is part burrito. It's
the only one to truly satisfy one's appetite. But now they have two
tacos for $0.99, can't beat that...
>They were touring as if they were supporting Quadraphenia,
Here in NJ, it's being advertised as some sort of Quadrophenia show...
At least when I saw the ad a month ago it was...
>mindblock on the usual singer's name.
Roger Daltrey.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:04:47 -0700
From: "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Older Fans
Message-ID: <199707241759.KAA21245@odin.community.net>
Dale Newberry wrote:
>My dad's 61 and he likes Savatage (at least DWD). One day last Fall,
>I woke up to him chanting "Savatage, Savatage," then the beginning
>strains of DWD started :).
What's up Chairface? How's StLouis?
My mom is in her 60's and she really likes Jason Becker, Marty Friedman,
Yngwie Malmsteen, and Dream Theater. I've been listening to alot of
non progressive music over the last year and she thinks I'm
totally wimping out or something. :) :) :)
She says, "Oh...Wallflowers, they're average. Nothing really special."
"Tom Petty,... man that guy sounds old." :) :)
Somebody wrote:
> The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World:
>
> 1-Steve Vai
> 2-John Petrucci
> 3-Joe Satriani
Love em too, My top 5:
1-Jason Becker
2-Todd Duane.
3-Paul Gilbert
4-Dimebag Darrell
5-Michael Romeo
Neil wrote:
>I know I'm not the only person on this list sick enough to like Meshuggah,
I guess I'm the 2nd person on this list that is sick too, Neil.
What does Meshuggah mean? Sounds like a jewish name or something.
peace everyone,
--james--
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:22:28 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <frank@emeraldlink.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My Nadz!
Message-ID: <199707241825.OAA14691@beast.brainlink.com>
Trevor wrote:
> I love NR, but I must agree with Jay. While it's a solid album, there's
> nothing close to Sister Chistian, Don't Tell Me You Love Me, or You Can
> Still Rock in America on it. It's not very hard at all, almost as mellow
> as the Shaw/Blades cd. At least it's not Grunge Ranger!!!
No way...what about songs like NeverLand or New York Time or I Don't Call
This Love
The Album definitely causes a tingly sensation down below!
> Frank, you must not buy very many cd's. (or you have very sensitive
> Nadz) :)
Definitely the later....but you would have to ask the Fiancee.....she's
got em!
The Almighty MojoMan
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:29:57 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trader List
Message-ID: <199707241829.AA21102@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
As of July 29, the Trader List will not be available by request of
e-mail for two to three weeks. I'm moving and won't have e-mail access
for a bit. Sorry for the incovenience, but Roger's page still has the
original version up. I'll re-sub and let you all know the address where
it can be requested from as soon as I know. Thanks!
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:28:16 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Journey
Message-ID: <33D7ACD0.30BB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Frank:
> I AM the biggest Journey Fan in the world....(just ask D-Man)
I have a Journey album with Ansley Dunbar on Drums. There's another
insane drummer to add to the list :) They do a great cover of a Beatles
(uh, oh, he said the B-word!) tune on it.
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:29:48 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The sad state of American music listeners...(little DTC)
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970724192948Z-6451@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
I just had an unsettling event occur...
I'm one of those lucky people who can listen to music at work - even
though I share an office with three people. While waiting for one of my
office mates to return, an employee of the organization I work for was
trying to make conversation with me (thereby ruining my attempts to
program). The subject of what I was listening to - Marillion's
"Clutching At Straws" - came up, with her asking who it was. I told her,
and her response was, "Never heard of them". Okay, nothing odd there -
then she says "Huh, sounds like Rush". This was during "Sugar Mice"! I
know what my look had to be - total amazement, mouth open - so I said,
"Really? I don't think so at all". A few minutes later, with her still
waiting, and "White Russian" playing (I had it on shuffle), she says -
"Yeah, definitely sounds like Rush".
For those of you that don't know Marillion, they don't sound a THING
like Rush. (Well, okay, they have keyboards)
I just didn't see how the that comparison could be made, until I though
about it for a minute. Your average rock station listener gets pummeled
with 4/4, three chord, hooks - repeated - to - the - point - of -
ridiculousness basic rock music, until one magic band comes on (at least
once a day on 98Rock from Baltimore) - RUSH. Therefore, in the average
listener's mind, subtlety in music = Rush. (I know it's over -
simplified, but that's the basic idea)
The point is this - US radio has degenerated the listening audience so
far, that it's no wonder that bands like our beloved DT are generally
looked upon with scorn - it's cool and accepted to be simplistic,
musically. Listen to a rock radio station - while there are good bands,
there's nowhere near the variety in style that there was even ten years
ago!
Comments, anyone? How has music become so totally fugazi? :)
(Donning the flame - proof suit)
Mike
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:56:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Older Fans
Message-ID: <199707242056.QAA29105@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
James wrote:
>
> I guess I'm the 2nd person on this list that is sick too, Neil.
> What does Meshuggah mean? Sounds like a jewish name or something.
>
>
Actually, it sounds like Meshuggunah, which I believe is a
Yiddish word for "crazy person". The only reason I know that
is that my boss uses it a lot to refer to our clients....
-Al
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:07:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Football League
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There are still 6 slots open for the YFFL.
To join:
sign up at http://espn.com
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the password is "majesty"
there are currently 6 slots open. The draft is August 27.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:21:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Home Sweet Home
Message-ID: <970724172120_-1341563770@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Howdy -
I don't think that Home Sweet Home was from the Milan '93 show, as somebody
inferred. If I'm not mistaken, it is taken from the October 4, 1992 gig from
Sparks in Long Island (thus the title). OAMOT was played consistently on the
first leg of the I&W tour, and the quality is B or so because I think the
audio was lifted off a video of the show. ("Lifting audio off of video"....
hmmm, I made a funny! :-D ) The reason I think that this is true is because
I have the boot video, as well as a 2-CD set called Live In Long Island, and
the sound is IDENTICAL. I am pretty sure that Home Sweet Home is the same
recording... but I could be wrong, since I haven't heard HSH yet. Hope this
helps...
- Matt
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:43:58 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Home Sweet Home
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970724174358.00e64d40@pophost.fore.com>
At 10:48 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> Subject: Home Sweet Home
>> quality. However, this CD includes Only a Matter of Time, and Moon
>> Bubbles, which don't appear on many other bootlegs.
>>
>> Track list:
>> ...snip
>
>This almost looks like an abbreviated version of Milan '93, which also
>includes Metropolis, Afterlife, Eve, and Learning To Live. I know Milan
>'93 is a copy of another boot, but it should be at least an A- boot by
>anyone's standards. Thank you very much for your generosity, by the way
>- this post was not intended to slag you in any way whatsoever, it's
>just an observation.
The Milan '93 show is the same as Lost in the Sky, if I remember correctly.
Home Sweet Home (recorded in Long Island) is definitely NOT the same show.
The instrumental in that show is also definitely different, although I
might have the titles mixed up. Milan has Barfbag and HSH has Moon
Bubbles, I think. The Milan show also has March of the Tyrant appended to
OAMOT, whereas HSH does not.
Like I said, I might have the titles of the instrumentals mixed up, but I
know HSH is not from Milan. I also own Lost in the Sky which is a much
better boot (setlist and quality), but OAMOT is still pretty hard to find
these days, since both boots are hard to come by.
I would advise any jammer to go with Lost in the Sky over Home Sweet Home
any day. My intention is not to delude anyone into buying these CD copies
off me. I just wanted some people to have the chance to have Home Sweet
Home on disc, since I had these extras laying around. I think I was pretty
up front about the contents/quality of the disc.
If anyone has any specific questions about HSH, LitS, or non-Bahr DT boots
in general, email me. Also, it appears that I have one copy of HSH left,
so if you're interested, you're not too late.
Later,
KAI
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:14:34 -0400
From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 3 best guitarists
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970724221434.006acfbc@pop.mindspring.com>
Malmsteen i would have to say would be at the bottom of my list. all he uses
is one harmonic minor scale basically. wow he can play it fast. so can i.
but im surely not the best guitarist in the world. before he would get my
vote he would have to realize that if he wrote a solo that had not one
single lightning speed run in it, people wouldnt think that he couldnt play
fast. dont get me wrong i like yngwies music, but it really is all pretty
much the same.
Rocky Dean
iban@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~iban
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:27:37 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytchi Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Cool
Message-ID: <01BC9890.1DDF0940@Checkov.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
I'd just like to say that I think the 'Jam has become a much nicer
place lately :-) The parodies and DDTT are cool, less flames too
(knock on wood) and the imposter seems to have left also (knock on
wood REAL hard). I actually enjoy skipping... uhm... *reading* my
'Jams right now ;-) Hope we can keep it up for a while :-)
Mark
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:37:31 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cool
Message-ID: <199707242237.PAA03091@ichips.intel.com>
Itchy said:
> I'd just like to say that I think the 'Jam has become a much nicer
> place lately :-) The parodies and DDTT are cool, less flames too
> (knock on wood) and the imposter seems to have left also (knock on
> wood REAL hard). I actually enjoy skipping... uhm... *reading* my
> 'Jams right now ;-) Hope we can keep it up for a while :-)
Oh, great. I made similar comments just a few weeks ago about how the
'jam was doing much better, and then it promptly proceeded to go to shit.
Now you've done it! 8^)
(of course, nobody could have anticipated that Michael C. would lock
himself in a closet with a flamethrower... ;)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:34:44 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: B'dut
Message-ID: <199707242243.QAA17069@mailmx.micron.net>
D said:
Sane person: "Hey, Chris, how are ya today?"
Me: "Good, thanks. You?"
Sane person: "Well, I'm here, lying in bed..."
Me: "Palm of her hand to my head."
Sane person: "What??"
Me: "Nothing, go on."
YES! (i realize this is old, but i'm a bit behind) This is soooo true!
this always happens to me. Also, during the 4th of july all my friends
thought i was crazy cause whenever i read "light fuse and get away" i
started giggling...
quick update on my one and only full-fledged convert:
Previously only a classical music fan, now has all of DT's albums, all of
Rush's albums (!) and just bought 5 of Satch's albums. The downside is
that he still has my Apsog, fire garden, III sides, and Holy Land.
woot
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:07:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Journey
Message-ID: <01ILMJ8VZ1MA9FNC64@LTU.EDU>
Hey Jammers.......I have been a huge Journey fan for years....I bought
the recent CD when it was released in October 1996. But 9 months later,
no tour at all......does anyone know why they chose to release an album
and not tour it? Steve Perry came here solo (Michigan) in 1995. he
played 2 of his own songs and the rest Journey songs.......
Oh well....I hope someone out there knows
Thanks,
Jeff E.
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