YTSEJAM Digest 2790
Today's Topics:
1) Re: ***Final*** Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
2) Re: Metallikifukinica
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) Dad's music
by eckie@asu.edu
4) Re: The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World
by marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br
5) Re: The sad state of American music listeners... (little DTC)
by Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2789
by Frank Benenati <frank@emeraldlink.com>
7) The REAL definition of prog.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
8) The REAL definition of prog.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2789
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Older Fans
by BRYNMAWR@webtv.net (D. J. FARRELL)
11) Music's for you and me, not the fucking industry
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) Re: 'JAM # 2788 Jeff E. (Journey)
by BRYNMAWR@webtv.net (D. J. FARRELL)
13) Re: Metallica fan????
by Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
14) this from mtv news.
by Thrak75@aol.com
15) Fishy fishy fish!
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
16) Rocky!
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:08:24 -0400
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ***Final*** Fates Warning - U.S. Tour Dates
Message-ID: <199707250211.TAA00916@odin.ax.com>
>these should be the
>final dates according to Metal Blade Records.
Ok Michael, where are the Canadian dates? :-)
There were 50 copies of APSoG at my local music store,
It must mean something!
Elvis
cyclone@securenet.net
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:10:41 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Metallikifukinica
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970724191039.00804970@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 06:00 PM 7/24/97 -0700, Wise man (sarcastically) say:
>o yea? well im the biggest metalica fan in the world... i have all their
>tapes: Enter the sand man, One, and load. and i have a PCP guitar like Kurt
>Hammen, and a gibson Exploder like James Hatfeild. im also going to get
>Tommy drums like Lars Urich. i love the new stuff, but old metallica is the
>best, my favorite tape is one, even though load was my first. i just got the
>tape enter the sand man yesterday, it is awesome, except that song misery.
>that ones kinda boring.
>
Funny thing is...this is the standard idea most people have of
Metal...Metallica...and in this EXACT context. Sad but true.
A Gibson "Exploder"? HE GOT THE GUITAR FROM THE MILAN '92 SHOW!!!
;)~ _Vincie-poo_
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:15:08 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dad's music
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970724191006.27447A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
I envy yous guys. Whenever we have a long trip and my pa is drivin',
it's tha great hits of barbershop chorus! Oy...listenin' to a bunch of
old men singin' about how great the South is in the summer but have never
actually been there...ain' my cup o' tea. ;)
'n nobody in my family likes the stuff I play, excluding my younger bro,
the big Dave Mathews Band fan. "I don't like the screaming, but without
that, it's pretty good music!"
************
"Heavy metal is like black coffee. For most people it's TOO strong, but
for those who do drink it, they wouldn't have it any other way!"
-friend of Vince's, not quite verbatim, but cool none tha less >:D
************
~Eckie
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:19:45 -0300
From: marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World
Message-ID: <199707250219.XAA12327@plugnet.com.br>
>Of course not. Maybe are the 3 guitarrists you like more, is quite
>different. For me Malmsteen is on the top of the list. Blackmore and Timo
>Tolkki are also some of my guitar players and Petrruci of course, but there
>are more...
I agree completely with you!Malmsteen is my favorite guitarrist!And=
Blackmore and Tolkki are in my top 5...Jason Becker is probably my second=
favorite...
M=E1rio
>> PS: Have any of you guys ever seen a workshop from Petrucci?
>> He was in OPorto, Portugal a few months ago. Great stuff..
>
>I see him in Lisbon.
> Eu sou do Barreiro e tu e's do Porto ? Eu por acaso sou do FCP. (For
>portuguese only)
>
>Bye
>Antonio Sousa
>zombie@mail.telepac.pt
>
+-----------------------------------------------------+
|marioo@plugnet.com.br |
|http:www.terravista.pt/enseada/1027/metal.htm |
+-----------------------------------------------------+
| "Death is the first dance eternal.(...) Deceit is |
| the second without end. (...) Love is the dance |
| of eternity." -J. Petrucci |
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:44:25 -0400
From: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The sad state of American music listeners... (little DTC)
Message-ID: <199707250244.WAA155630@osage.gate.net>
>then she says "Huh, sounds like Rush". This was during "Sugar Mice"! I
>know what my look had to be - total amazement, mouth open - so I said,
>"Really? I don't think so at all". A few minutes later, with her still
>waiting, and "White Russian" playing (I had it on shuffle), she says -
>"Yeah, definitely sounds like Rush".
>
I was listening to echolyn at work one day. An employee at an adjacent desk
remarked, "This sounds like that one heavy band, but it was their slow song.
The two singers sing very much alike."
I started rattling off names of hard rock bands that get airplay, but it
wasn't until I pulled Metallica out of nowhere she said, "Yeah! That's it!
It was that song that got nominated for a Grammy."
Just goes to show ya: If two different things sound the same, you're not
listening closely enough. :)
Further Ytsejammer sayeth naught.
-- Elliott Kim -- ekim@gate.net -- e-man@dreamt.org --
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:16:39 -0400
From: Frank Benenati <frank@emeraldlink.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2789
Message-ID: <01BC9887.C48FDA20@fmb>
> From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
>
> i totally agree with this analogy. being a fellow 98rock listener <snip>
you don't mean 98 Rock in Baltimore, do you???
I used to listen to that station like a religion back between 1990-1991....
Then somewhere along the lines, someone planted the stoopid fucking idea of playing Alternarock on the station....
Ever since, it has been mediocre, at best, by 98 Rock's original standards...
(dare I say, I shouldn't be complaining, Radio out of NY is almost worse than watching MTV)
Long Live Cruiser (98 Rock Kick Ass DJ) !!!!!!
- The Shit Stompin' MojoMan
**********************************
J U S T S A Y S P A M!!!!
mojospam@emeraldlink.com
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:28:14 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The REAL definition of prog.
Message-ID: <199707250335.UAA01437@odin.ax.com>
>If someone has never heard anything even remotely prog-rockish except for
>Rush, and you play them Marillion, or Dream Theater, or Leviathan, or
King
>Crimson, etc., chances are that person with their limited exposure to
prog
>is going to say "Sounds like Rush."
heh... Just look at me. The first time I heard Marillion, I was like,
"Hey, this sounds like Phil Collins!" But then again... Fish kinda did in
"At That time of the Night" for a bit. :P The fact however that Rush was
even involved in the discussion was meritable indeed. Most people I've
shown them to say, "What is this pussy shit?" So, for everyone who wanted
the definiton of prog, here it is.
Prog (prawg) n.: 1. Pussy shit. "So that's what you call that? Prog?
Sounds like pussy shit to me" 2. Music that sounds like it was written for
wimps. "This guy sings like George Michaels. It's pussy shit!" v.: 1. To
suck. "This progs." 2. To act in the manner of a wuss. 3. To beg on a
street corner. (Syn.) Proghead: I person who likes prog or likes to prog.
Prog Metal (1): Music that is written for angry wusses. Prog Metal(2): An
extremely weak metallurgic alloy.
Why I ever hung around with people like that was beyond me...
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:28:14 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The REAL definition of prog.
Message-ID: <199707250335.UAA01441@odin.ax.com>
>If someone has never heard anything even remotely prog-rockish except for
>Rush, and you play them Marillion, or Dream Theater, or Leviathan, or
King
>Crimson, etc., chances are that person with their limited exposure to
prog
>is going to say "Sounds like Rush."
heh... Just look at me. The first time I heard Marillion, I was like,
"Hey, this sounds like Phil Collins!" But then again... Fish kinda did in
"At That time of the Night" for a bit. :P The fact however that Rush was
even involved in the discussion was meritable indeed. Most people I've
shown them to say, "What is this pussy shit?" So, for everyone who wanted
the definiton of prog, here it is.
Prog (prawg) n.: 1. Pussy shit. "So that's what you call that? Prog?
Sounds like pussy shit to me" 2. Music that sounds like it was written for
wimps. "This guy sings like George Michaels. It's pussy shit!" v.: 1. To
suck. "This progs." 2. To act in the manner of a wuss. 3. To beg on a
street corner. (Syn.) Proghead: I person who likes prog or likes to prog.
Prog Metal (1): Music that is written for angry wusses. Prog Metal(2): An
extremely weak metallurgic alloy.
Why I ever hung around with people like that was beyond me...
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:03:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2789
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970725000035.10944B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Frank Benenati wrote:
> > i totally agree with this analogy. being a fellow 98rock listener <snip>
>
> you don't mean 98 Rock in Baltimore, do you???
> I used to listen to that station like a religion back between 1990-1991....
> Then somewhere along the lines, someone planted the stoopid fucking idea of playing Alternarock on the station....
> Ever since, it has been mediocre, at best, by 98 Rock's original standards...
> (dare I say, I shouldn't be complaining, Radio out of NY is almost worse than watching MTV)
98 Rock ain't that bad. I was quite surprised when I heard them do
"dreamline" on the radio. Before playing it, the DJ said (paraphrased):
"we're probably the only station in Baltimore that has the balls to play
Rush?"
And besides it's a lot better than that pussy station called HFS.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:20:15 -0400
From: BRYNMAWR@webtv.net (D. J. FARRELL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Older Fans
Message-ID: <199707250420.VAA16886@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net>
Message ID: 867984326
In reply to Jim Thorpe's post in 'Jam #2785, (I think.) My
Grandmother is 84 and she loves Pink Floyd!!! (True Story!!
Her favorite album is "Dark Side of the Moon.")
Just goes to show ya, You're NEVER too old to Rock!!! :)
D. J. Farrell
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:42:21 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Music's for you and me, not the fucking industry
Message-ID: <19970725034719.AAA16376@sni.pananet.com>
: Welcome to the music industry. :) I think of it as corporate rock
: syndrome: People are pummeled with the same fuckin' songs allllllllll day
: and alllllll night long (Hell, I turned my TV on and the same exact video
: from the Wallflowers was almost in unison on both Vh1 and MTV), and even
: if the general public thinks ill of it at first, they're reminded by the
: "trend setters" at MTV that it's cool to listen to this music. Sort of a
Well, I see that as part of the problem. There's also the fact that most
people don't need or want music to be challenging or complex. All they want
is a nice beat to move their booty to. Who cares if the artist sold out,
or only know three chords on his guitar. If its catchy and they can dance
to it, its good enough for them. We're the weirdos who need music to be
more than that...the ones who can't stop buying CD's, and constantly
looking for music that will move your mind as well as your booty.
Here's a challenge: try dancing to the instrumental part of Metropolis.:)
: It's all a necessary evil really...the "business" half of "music
: business." If there's a trend goin' around, the industry's going to ride
: it 200%, because, in summation...
:
: It's all about money. >:)
:
Yeah, but you can work yourself around it.... it's difficult, but possible.
You really have to know the business side of music to be able to do what
you want, and not end up broke... of course, don't expect to become a
millionair:)
DDTT: Boy, that Feeah chic comes up a lot in DT's music. At least now it
makes sense, because the whole world was blinded by her.
relishing in the past,
Ernie
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:55:45 -0400
From: BRYNMAWR@webtv.net (D. J. FARRELL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 'JAM # 2788 Jeff E. (Journey)
Message-ID: <199707250455.VAA18945@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net>
Message ID: 867984326
In reply to Jeff E.'s request for Journey Info. A quick check of
Journey's Home page says that the reunion tour, scheduled to begin in
April of this year, has been postponed indefinitely due to Steve Perry's
hip injury. Check out Journey's website at www.journey.simplenet.com/
for more info. (and all kinds-a-neet Journey related stuff!!!)
Keep on Rockin'
D. J. Farrell
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:16:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Metallica fan????
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970725000839.29281A-100000@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Hey, I'll make this short and sweet. Are you in the Met Club? Do you
call the black album by it's real name? Do you know who the original
bassist and/or guitarist for Metallica were? Have you ever been to a
Metallica show? Have you any lyrics memorized?
I think I made my case. If you have only now gotten into Metallica, or
any band for that matter, I find it hard to say that you are the biggest
fan. I bet that might even offend people that were in the pits at the
concerts for Kill 'em All (ever heard of that album? :))
Had to get that off my chest.
Chad Martin
mart0312@gold.tc.umn.edu
chadbert@dnrc.org
O-
"You should never memorize something that can be looked up."
- Albert Einstein
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:25:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: this from mtv news.
Message-ID: <970725012506_916450094@emout20.mail.aol.com>
MEGADETH LAUNCHES TOUR ON INTERNET
Megadeth may be launching its U.S. tour in Las Vegas Thursday night, but the
band will mark the occasion on the Internet.
Dave Mustaine and company will hit their Megadeth, Arizona website (at
hollywoodandvine.com/megadeth) at 6 p.m. Eastern time for a live, two hour,
RealAudio chat with fans. Users will be able to actually hear the band
address their inquiries, and will be able to see animations of the band.
Considering that the band recently released a top ten album, "Cryptic
Writings," and is about to embark on a tour, there will probably be no
shortage of subject matter during the chat. However, to add grist for the
chat mill, the band will donate a guitar to the Hard Rock Cafe immediately
after the online event, and will go on to meet with the woman chosen as the
second annual "Miss Megadeth" at the band's show that night.
If you can't make the chat, Pollstar says you can actually see the band in
the flesh on the following dates:
7/24 - Las Vegas, NV @ Joint
7/25 - Las Vegas, NV @ Joint
7/26 - San Francisco, CA @ Warfield
7/28 - Salem, OR @ Salem Armory
7/29 - Seattle, WA @ Mercer Arena
7/31 - Salt Lake City, UT @ SaltAir Pavilion
8/1 - Morrison, CO @ Red Rocks Amphitheatre
8/3 - Kansas City, KS @ Memorial Hall
8/4 - St. Louis, MO @ American Theatre
8/6 - St. Paul, MN @ Roy Wilkins Auditorium
8/7 - Milwaukee, WI @ Eagles Ballroom
8/8 - Chicago, IL @ Aragon Ballroom
8/9 - Hebron, OH @ Buckeye Lake
8/10 - Cleveland, OH @ Agora Parking Lot
8/12 - Detroit, MI @ State Theatre
8/14 - New York, NY @ Hammerstein Ballroom
8/15 - Mansfield, MA @ Great Woods Center
8/16 - Asbury Park, NJ @ Convention Hall
8/18 - Pittsburgh, PA @ Ice Garden Arena
8/19 - Washington, DC @ 9:30 Club
8/21 - Sanford, FL @ Tsunami
8/22 - Sunrise, FL @ Sunrise Musical Theatre
8/23 - Palmetto, FL @ Manatee Convention Center
8/26 - Dallas, TX @ Bronco Bowl
8/27 - Corpus Christi, TX @ Texas Sky Park
8/28 - San Antonio, TX @ Sunken Garden Amph.
8/29 - El Paso, TX @ El Paso Civic Center
8/31 - Phoenix, AZ @ America West Arena
miss megadeth?!?!
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david y. kobayashi
thrak75@aol.com
"i'm afraid of americans, i'm afraid of the world. i'm afraid i can't help
it. i'm afraid i can't." d. bowie
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:36:31 -0400
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fishy fishy fish!
Message-ID: <19970725.013851.9622.2.nishiki@juno.com>
Hey gang,
Sorry I haven't been keeping up. . .my wife just deleted about 6 weeks'
worth of back 'jams. . .but I feel I must comment on Tuesday night's
Fish-stravaganza. Oy-yoy-yoy-yoy!
Now, I am a bit of a Fish fan, but not a huge one (well, maybe after
this. . .). I'm mainly into his work with Marillion. But jinkies,
Scoob, the man puts on one fabu-tastic show! 2 1/2 hours of a band on
fire, and audience singing along and following clapalong instructions
like a machine. . .ever seen a band used to playing arenas in a club?
(Maiden springs to mind. . .) Suffice it to say, a mind-blowing
experience. His band was awesome, especially the new guitarist. . .even
if you think his solo discs are on the mellow side, you should check him
out if you can because the energy level at this show was unbelievable.
Now I'm going to have to get some of those live CD's he put out. . .
Also coming up in a couple of weeks: Masters of Reality! Golly, guys,
we thought you were dead! Anyone heard their new material yet?
Someone was outside the Fish show handing out flyers for the upcoming
Marillion show! Maybe I'll check that out too. . .
And finally, to all you fucking bastards (pardon me tongue) who didn't go
to Prog Rock Nite and let it die even though it was FREE, for fuck's
sake, I ran into Bob Wolf at the Fish show and he told me that it's
starting up again at a club in Brunswick NJ next month. . .I forget which
club, but he's supposed to email me about it. Let's not let this thing
disappear again, folks! Sure, not every band that played was great, but
you didn't even need to ask for a refund, and where else can you walk in
and pick up things like the original Spock's Beard disc, US Asia,
Braindance, Raphael Rudd, etc. etc. etc. etc. all at very reasonable
prices?????????
Resurrect Prog Rock Nite AND GO TO IT, WE'LL HAVE A JOLLY FUCKIN'
TIME!!!!!!!
This has been a public service announcement from D.J. Kuul A
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:57:46 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rocky!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970725015746.0068eb54@ee.net>
>
>o yea? well im the biggest metalica fan in the world... i have all their
>tapes: Enter the sand man, One, and load. and i have a PCP guitar like Kurt
>Hammen, and a gibson Exploder like James Hatfeild. im also going to get
>Tommy drums like Lars Urich. i love the new stuff, but old metallica is the
>best, my favorite tape is one, even though load was my first. i just got the
>tape enter the sand man yesterday, it is awesome, except that song misery.
>that ones kinda boring.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! This deserved to be posted again...it's too
damned funny!
Dood, I'm DYIN over here! hehehehe
nice job..
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
http://www.dhpc.com
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