YTSEJAM Digest 2792
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Prog On The Radio
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) Re: YTSEGIRL you are a BABE! (Tom Sawyer & The Trees)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
3) The DJ dot com
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com>
4) Re: a bigass rant, and some other stuff
by john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
5) Re The sad state of American music listeners.
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
6) The sad state of metal.
by Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
7) Music
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
8) meshuggah
by Victor Jason <vjason@bwc.org>
9) WSOU, Bikinis are bad, Bafu jr., lists, music trend continues, and Tower is fun
by caber1@concentric.net
10) Just sinking down to your level...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
11) DT members
by NightCast <nightcast@usa.net>
12) invitation
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
13) Re: Here's a challenge
by "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com>
14) tallica
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
15) Re[2]: a bigass rant, and some other stuff
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:24:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog On The Radio
Message-ID: <199707251424.KAA03087@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Dave, the limey Jammer (just kidding) wrote:
> doesn't rule their lives. Most of us jammers will put on a CD sit
> down and listen to it. How many people (I'm talking general public)
> will actually listen to music. I mean really listen - sit quietly for
> 70 minutes just nodding their head and occasionally saying things like
> "Oh wow", "How did he do that" and "oh...this is great...oh". Not
> many. I put money down that people have come to your house and said
> "Put on some music" and 30 seconds into the first song start talking
> to you about work or how your day was, and your just thinking "Shut
> the fuck up I love this drum fill!".
I totally agree with this. Sometimes I have to drive my mother
places (she has terrible sense of direction and is afraid she'll
get lost), so I'll put on some music just to sit and relax and
listen. I'll ask her , "Let me just listen to this song nice and
quiet", and she'll be alright for about 45 seconds and then start
talking.....MAN! that pisses me off to the point where I just want
to pull over (or run off the road) get out of the car and start
walking home. And I'm dead serious - stuff like that really gets
to me.
This ever happen to anyone: You let a friend borrow a CD, and
you tell him "You have to LISTEN to this CD in order to get the
full effect" -- I do this alot with "Parallels" -- "Just sit
in your room, put some headphones on, and close your eyes, and
listen to it all the way through". Then a few days later, they'll
give you the CD, say "I didn't really like it", you aask why, and
they say "Well I couldn't get into the first song, so I scanned
through the first 10 second of the rest of the album too and it
didn't do anything for me...." MAN! that kinda gets to me too.
Here's another one:
How many friends do you have where a good 40+% of their CDs are
ones that had a hit single on the radio (just one, maybe two)
which were bought just cuz of the single. Then you ask them,
"The single's pretty decent, how's the rest of the album", and
they say "beats me". ARRRRGHG!!!!!!!
wow, looking back on this post and the last one, it seems like
I'm in a bad mood today........... :P
-Al
-- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEGIRL you are a BABE! (Tom Sawyer & The Trees) Message-ID: <199707251425.KAA03808@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I wrote:
> great band, and dammit I just forgot the name of them, but > they're a very popular Rush cover band (one of the best, > people say) around the NorthEast at least.....the name > "Moving Pictures" comes to mind, but I'm having brain farts > right now and don't think that's it........ >
Just remembered -- the name of the band was "Power Windows".
-- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:38:32 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The DJ dot com Message-ID: <33D8BA68.2C9A@mathworks.com>
Have you guys heard about this? If not, check out http://www.thedj.com/Full/thedj-full.html
They've got a progressive channel that plays .ra DT, The Dregs, Angra, ..
Is me, or does this rule?
Wacky
ps- Thanks, Binky. :)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:59:38 -0500 (CDT) From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: a bigass rant, and some other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970725095437.27697C-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, The Digital Man wrote:
| I once thought that people today were content to accept mediocrity in art, | but it's not even *that* good. People don't give a shit about art. At | all. Music, film, literature... people don't care anymore. The [...snip...]
i say we musicians quit. we'll find a mountain hide-away somewhere in the Rockies where we'll form our own society, expressly for musicians and those non-musicians who can truely appreciate music. we'll just disappear and maybe THEN they'll see what happens to the state of the world when they lack our art.
shrugging it off, john galt ...er jens
j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t
s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: 25 Jul 97 11:22:24 EDT From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re The sad state of American music listeners. Message-ID: <970725152223_702420.204300_BHD51-51@CompuServe.COM>
Um, I was under the impression that it was easier to hear more varied music on the radio in America. If you lived in England you get a choice of Radio 1 FM (no we don't have a play list of 20 records that we rotate, honestly. All of which are shit anyway), the not so high quality Virgin or Local radio where the DJ's talk too much. We get BritPop (and football) stuffed down our throats day and night and if you don't like football and think Oasis are awesome you get labelled as weird. I look at it like this, the record company's want easy to produce cost effective music that is TV friendly ie 2 to 3 minute long songs, put it on TV and its cool, whether the music's good or not, if its cool the kid buy it cause they know no different and if it sells it gets on TV. The only reason DT, Rush, Ozrics are labelled as crap is because they don't get on TV and they don't take part in celebrity football matches. Sorry for ranting, but the whole situation pisses me off in this country. PS. This is my first JAM and if I haven't followed correct protocol feel free to tell me. David Cuthbert.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:57:11 -0500 From: Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The sad state of metal. Message-ID: <01BC98F1.E3C04460@pm2-11.macatawa.org>
Rocky wrote:
[ what black album? the enter the sandman album? yes i know who the = original [ bassist of metalica was it was the dude thats in DC/AC, i cant = rembmer if it [ was him or if its Slash, from Roses and Guns.. and yes i know who = the old [ guitarist was it was Dimbag Darryl from Pintora, and before him it = was Randy [ Roads, until he got shot by a bus driver that got hit by a = steamboat. and [ that was after he played with black sabbath. what is kill em all? do = you [ mean that tape "Heavy Metal Toilet Bowl"? i bet you didnt even know = that [ metalica did a tape that was all basement recordings of led zepplin = songs. [ and yes i have the words to enter "One" memorized:
God, this would be funnier if it weren't so close to the truth. Let me = just go through a conversation I had with a Metallica "fan" while I was = ringing up his stuff at my register:
Me: "You're going to the concert!! Cool!! " Him: "I know. I can't wait. They're my favorite band. Me: "My favorite album has GOT to be Master of Puppets. What's yours? = It's not Load, is it?" Him: "No, I like their first album better." Me: "Kill Em All???" Him: "Um, no. It's the one that's all black with the snake on the = cover. You know, the one with Enter Sandman on it?"
I was almost choking down sobs after this conversation.
Beth Elzinga
----------- Melody walks in the door ------------ -------- And memory flies out the window -------- -------- And nobody knows what they want -------- -------- Till they finally let it all go.--------
Dream Theater lyrics by Kevin Moore for "6:00"
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:04:42 PDT From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music Message-ID: <199707251604.JAA12676@f55.hotmail.com>
Hello Jammers!
>I put money down that people have come to your house and said >"Put on some music" and 30 seconds into the first song start talking >to you about work or how your day was, and your just thinking "Shut >the fuck up I love this drum fill!".
My best friend is like that.Nice guy,but he has no interest in music. About Queensryche´s Rage for order-album...They didn´t wear those costumes,that they were wearing in the cover,on stage,did they?I hope not...
-Vilzu-
"I was 16 going nowhere,will I see 17 alive? And I was running from the nightmare,I stand at the promised land with fire in my eyes. I´m at the crossroad of my destiny and de- sire,Oh,God what will I be?"
W.A.S.P.:"Arena of pleasures" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:13:32 +0300 (IDT) From: Victor Jason <vjason@bwc.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: meshuggah Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970725191227.20084A-100000@dove>
i think meshugganah is yiddish and means " fool", but don't know what meshuggah means. it kicks ass though... bear
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:39:06 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WSOU, Bikinis are bad, Bafu jr., lists, music trend continues, and Tower is fun Message-ID: <33D8F2C9.4CF8@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
Ok, about NY area radio. I listen to 89.5 a lot. The other night they had "Vintage 80's" They played 5(count'em 1,2,3,4,5) Queensr˙che songs in a row! They also played a buttload of glam bands. But it was great while it lasted. They play DT sometimes, too(and not just Lie, and Pull Me Under). They're even mentioned in the I&W Thanks section under WSOU! ___ D-Man wrote: > It was nauseating. Women in bikinis on a beach,
I don't see anything wrong with this. *punch* Anybody else? ;-) ___
> From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: Metalica Fan???
Bafu you've met your match! :) ____
Everyone who likes this list and would like to stay on this list should NOT post any list of top wankers! Not my idea, but, I obey the rules. ___
About the people liking other music besides what we holy few think is must listen to music. Well, they have their way, and, we have our holy way that only near ominscent beings could comprehend. But, I can relate to the post about wanting to shut your friends up to hear a cool drum fill. ___
Well, I just got some more CD's on Thrusday. I got Echant's "A Blueprint of the World," Flotsam & Jetsam's "High," Zappa's "One Size Fits All," Led Zed's "II," and Sepultura's "Arise."
Some interesting things happened, too. The reason I couldn't find Flotsam & Jetsam before was because it was listed under Flotsam 7/8. What the hell!?! I asked the guy working there why was the name wrong. He said his manager is an idoit. This is the same guy I asked why Dream Theater was spelled wrong. He then shouts out "what do you expect? For people to read the band's name and write it down correctly?" Well, you just had to be there. The guy looks like Buddy Holly to boot. :)
One of the many CD's that I looked at while I was there was Sex-O-Rama. It's a CD with porno music on it! The little sticker on it described it as "instrumental wah-wah sounds." I've never heard a better review.
John promises ever to have the same 2 .sigs ever again caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:29:53 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just sinking down to your level... Message-ID: <199707251629.AA26934@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, On hearing lyrics out of context: >cause whenever i read "light fuse and get away" i started giggling...
Yeah, like when I was watching a Simpsons rerun last night (the one with the fake Michael Jackson), and Lisa said the insane guy was "a credit to dementia", which I mimicked in my best Mustaine voice. You get some weird looks for that one, let me tell you...
>Upon hearing Metallica for the first time (Master of Puppets), I >innocently blurted out "Sounds like Anthrax."
OK, how about this one: I play Cheap Trick's first album for a friend of mine in high school (Whitesnake, VH, and Dokken fan), and he says it sounds like Metallica. I got a good snicker from that one...
>Prog (prawg) n.: 1. Pussy shit.
This was hilarious!
>Subject: Re: Metallica fan????
Ahem... He was kidding. Silly rabbit...
>what black album?
But I think this is funnier than the first one...:)
>I think Chad needs a hug.
All right everyone, group hug. Twelve hundred Jammers at once. Now, now! Don't suffocate him. This is a supportive hug. We *sympathize* with Chad...:)
>At least it isn't "Miss Hangar 18" or something.
I don't know... I'd rather be a beauty queen named after a non-existent building than one named after the resultant deaths from a nuclear explosion. But that's all just semantics...:)
>Radio out of NY is almost worse than watching MTV)
Actually, at least with MTV, if you change the channel, there's something different. In New York, you have to scan all the way down to the 88 range to get something listenable (WBGO).
>they're a very popular Rush cover band (one of the best, people say) >around the NorthEast at least
More than likely this was Power Windows.
>Subject: this from mtv news.
Megadeth? On MTV news? On MTV??!! And I was hoping I'd get to see the Star Wars prequels BEFORE hell froze over... :P
>Pollstar says you can actually see the band in the flesh on the >following dates:
Fat lot of good those dates do me if they're not coming to the Southeast! Florida doesn't count, Bastages...
>quick update on my one and only full-fledged convert:
Heheh... Cool story that some of you will hate. I told of how I converted my country music loving roommate to a Nuno fan, and now there's another. On my trip to SC, me and Chad (the roommate) put the CD in a couple of times, and my friend Jim (U2 and mainstream fan), says "who's this?" I told him and he chuckled about the Extreme thing. Then on the ride back, Jim pops in the Nuno CD, and I ask him: "you know that's Nuno, right?" He says he likes it, and asks if it would be in used bins around here. Judging from the response some Jammers gave it, I'd say it won't be hard to find there... -- ______________________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:andrew.forcier@prudential.com To view the list: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytselist.txt -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://idt.net/~rmerri9/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com **************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:14:51 -0600 From: NightCast <nightcast@usa.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT members Message-ID: <01BC98E6.4CCAF240@slc201.modem.xmission.com>
When I saw DT in concert for Awake, I noticed that aside from James = being exceptionally big (250 pounds would be very easy to believe) but = was also surprised to see that JP was incredibly skinny. This guy looks = like he weighs about 140 or so! Course, I'm testing a 2 year old memory = now. :)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: invitation Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970725125040.17111C-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> Bullshit!!!! the new Night Ranger album, Neverland....that slab of >flesh on Disc, Rocz my Nadz harder than anything I've purchased in 1997 >and most likely in '96
August 2nd concert near Detroit somewhere: Tiles! w/special guest Night Ranger......or was it the other way around? And I can't make it....oh the inhumanity.....
And oh yeah, remember how I mentioned that fates and thought industry were playing the detroit area both on August 14th? Thumbing thru the metro times, a rag which has listing of all the clubs in the metro area.....turns out ICED EARTH is gonna be in the area that night as well.....
welp, seeya, gotta go get my Fates ticket......
partha
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:03:10 -0400 From: "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Here's a challenge Message-ID: <199707251705.KAA07649@odin.ax.com>
Hi Jammers,
> From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Here's a challenge: try dancing to the instrumental part of Metropolis.:)
Or better yet, make your friends who don't like DT try it. Always good for a laugh.
Another favorite of mine is to tune to any alternagrunge radio station. Then quietly start Learning to Live, maybe :45 into it. Have your friend play air-snare to the radio, then switch over to LTL. When their brain fries, I say "That is why I like Dream Theater". :) Try it!
- Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:20:42 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: tallica Message-ID: <199707251724.LAA11587@mailmx.micron.net>
>Hey, I'll make this short and sweet. Are you in the Met Club? Do you >call the black album by it's real name? Do you know who the original >bassist and/or guitarist for Metallica were? Have you ever been to a >Metallica show? Have you any lyrics memorized?
>I think I made my case. If you have only now gotten into Metallica, or >any band for that matter, I find it hard to say that you are the biggest >fan. I bet that might even offend people that were in the pits at the >concerts for Kill 'em All (ever heard of that album? :))
>Had to get that off my chest.
Yikes! settle down dude! what that guy said was a very funny joke. I suppose you think you're the biggest tallica fan in the world. that's rediculous. Just cause someone else says they are doesn't mean you have to defend the fact that you are, especially if they were obviously joking. I will sadly admit that tallica used to be my favorite band a *long* time ago, and yes I do know the answers to your little quiz, but i'm not the biggest metallica fan in the world, and with the release of load, i would be ashamed if i was.
if you skipped the rest: Always check for sarcasm and humor before you get your panties in a bunch.
woot
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 10:19:35 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re[2]: a bigass rant, and some other stuff Message-ID: <9706258698.AA869851370@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>i say we musicians quit. we'll find a mountain hide-away somewhere in >the Rockies where we'll form our own society, expressly for musicians >and those non-musicians who can truely appreciate music. we'll just >disappear and maybe THEN they'll see what happens to the state of the >world when they lack our art. >shrugging it off, >john galt ...er jens hehe... nice Rand analogy <G>... I only wish it would work...
It gets discouraging to see bands with major talent, basically wasting away in obscurity (barely surviving, unable to get recording contracts, book gigs, etc.) while some manufactured act like the Spice Girls, becomes a household name... I think the days of musicians being respoected for their talent and art by society as a whole, are pretty much over. The general population has bought into this idea that music (film, books, etc.) is merely a commodity to be bought and sold, not unlike a common household appliance. There will still be pockets of people who respect music as an artform and support the talented people producing it, but I don't think any musician should delude theirselves into thinking that they can become successful based on talent alone. I wonder if people in the jazz community have this same type of conversation. I mean there are scores of talented jazz musicians, but are they household names? No...but ask the general public to name a jazz musician and will say Kenny G or maybe even John Tesh (not that I have anything against them, but they do seem to be the Spice Guys of the jazz world <G>)...
It really hurts to see guys like King's X dropped from their label, Tony MacAlpine (a brilliant guitarist) churning out his own CDs and playing in little dive bars, Fates Warning slogging it out in little bars on a very small US tour (that sounds like it was a total nightmare to get booked), Dream Theater (a band with more friggin' talent than the entire Billboard Top 40 combined) basically slagged off by most as washed up hair band or something... It just really sucks bad, and I don't really think there is too much we can do about it besides throwing all of our support behind the musicians out there trying to prove that talent and originality matter.
Maybe some of these underground internet radio stations will achieve some amount of success in helping to promote good musicians. I always thought that if I had the money, I'd start an underground radio station (even an AM one, because FM is a major business now) in a large population area like LA or NY, with no specific format...let the DJs play what they felt was good, let unknown bands play their demos, etc...basically return to the idea of music for music's sake...no trends, no demographic marketing, no radio playlists, no payoffs for airplay, etc... Maybe then you would get the word out about some great talent, because let's face it, there are still tons of people who don't have something like the Ytsejam to tell them about some great new bands....
Anyway...end of rant mode <G>....
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning (Island in the Stream) & Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book) *** Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit ***
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