YTSEJAM Digest 2793
Today's Topics:
1) "Tapes aren't dead!" and other assorted drivel
by "Matt Lamoureux" <matt_l@sprynet.com>
2) Warning: Parental Advisory
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
3) listening to things
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
4) Double bass speed
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
5) The world sucks, more or less
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
6) Brain Donors + misc (nothing of music)
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
7) DIE!!!
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:53:22 -0400
From: "Matt Lamoureux" <matt_l@sprynet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Tapes aren't dead!" and other assorted drivel
Message-ID: <199707251849.LAA14891@m9.sprynet.com>
Hi all!
Question for Mike Bahr: Would it detract from the collectibility of your
discs if you (or someone else) offered TAPE copies of them? This could be
for both previous and future material. I don't own a CD player ('cept in
my PC) and I don't plan to any time soon. I'm also looking for taped
copies of the 'Lie' and 'Silent Man' singles and the 'Fix for 96' show.
Feedback? Anyone else concur? Or am I the only one still in the Dark
Ages? :-)
Question for 'Jammers: How many of you think Tool kicks serious @$$?
'Undertow' is one of 3 three tapes I own that I've run into the ground (the
other two are I&W and Garth Brooks' GH --> /me dives for cover to escape
the flames). Anyway, they're doing well with airplay and sales of 'Aenima'
but I want to know how many of those sales are to 'Jammers. Are they
talented musicians? With all the prog talk, I'm curious how 'Jammers would
classify them (if it's possible). Here's something else to tempt the
flame-happy: aren't they prog to some extent? (I know - another 'what is
prog?' thread). I wouldn't put them in Heavy Metal or Mainstream Rock or
Alternative - so what else is there?
- Matt
Matt Lamoureux
matt_l@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/matt_l
"Angel in our pocket, devil by our side,
It's time to be Immortal, 'cause heroes never die!"
- adaped from Megadeth's "Blood of Heroes"
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:49:54 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Warning: Parental Advisory
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970725124954Z-3322@mail_server.comequity.com>
>> My dad's 61 and he likes Savatage (at least DWD). One day last Fall,
>> I woke up to him chanting "Savatage, Savatage," then the beginning
>> strains of DWD started :).
>>
>Yer dad definitely nokz radz - I'm impressed! My mom is 62 and likes
>stuff like Jim Reeves and Ferlin Husky . .
I hear that. My dad listens to those really bad Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis
tunes, Ferrante & Teicher, and every single one of those Italian singers
with the receeding hairline that ever put an album out. And sometimes,
to placate my mom, he listens to Irish music (although my mom DID think
my instrumental prog band was good). And he cranks it (in his Caddy with
the vanity plate "Nick G" - he's not Italian, is he? :) I remember once
I was walking around the house with my walkman on, and I had Tommy the
Cat by Primus playing (back when I liked them), and my mom had to stop
him from calling 911. I was singing along ("Hey, baby, do you wanna lay
down with me...") and he thought I was having a seizure.
Can you say "Generation Gap"?
-Nicholas
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:29:33 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: listening to things
Message-ID: <19970725192932560.AAA176@bforst.busprod.com>
Dave; the UK jammer wrote and deserves to be read again:
> The problem with most people is that music, although important,
> doesn't rule their lives. Most of us jammers will put on a CD sit
> down and listen to it. How many people (I'm talking general public)
> will actually listen to music. I mean really listen - sit quietly for
> 70 minutes just nodding their head and occasionally saying things like
> "Oh wow", "How did he do that" and "oh...this is great...oh". Not
> many. I put money down that people have come to your house and said
> "Put on some music" and 30 seconds into the first song start talking
> to you about work or how your day was, and your just thinking "Shut
> the fuck up I love this drum fill!".
exactly!
The only thing that I think I could possibly add to this is that we realize
here that music is such a great thing and we realize how our lives have been
improved by our ability to sit still and actually LISTEN to a song. That's
because everyone here appreciates music and has made it an important part of
their lives, I know I have.. I cant imagine a life without any music. I
would have to be commited I think.
What I want you to think about is that music is only ONE of MANY things that
if given the proper attention and time will enrich your lives! Keep and ear
out for what other people are interested in and listen when they try to
expose you to it, because you and I know how damn frustrating it is to have
someone tune out and start yapping when you put on a DT disc!! arrrggghh!
bruce (bforst@busprod.com)
who's tired of commercials that use movies to sell burgers or tacos
????????
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:38:25 PDT
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Double bass speed
Message-ID: <199707251938.MAA06450@f2.hotmail.com>
Hello Jammers!
Here´s a fun way to develop double bass speed:
Put Stratovarius:Visions to your cd player and put your headphones on.
Then play "Black Diamond" "Forever free" "Legions" and "Holy light" not
stopping between them.If you are not sweating like a pig after that,you
can consider yourself a fast double bass player :-).You might also want
to put earplugs under your headphones before playing.Unless you want
ringy ears...
-Vilzu-
"I was 16 going nowhere,will I see 17 alive?
And I was running from the nightmare,I stand
at the promised land with fire in my eyes.
I´m at the crossroad of my destiny and de-
sire,Oh,God what will I be?"
W.A.S.P.:"Arena of pleasures"
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:49:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The world sucks, more or less
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970725153106.3016C-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
> Subject: The sad state of metal.
>
> Me: "You're going to the concert!! Cool!! "
> Him: "I know. I can't wait. They're my favorite band.
> Me: "My favorite album has GOT to be Master of Puppets. What's yours? =
> It's not Load, is it?"
> Him: "No, I like their first album better."
> Me: "Kill Em All???"
> Him: "Um, no. It's the one that's all black with the snake on the =
> cover. You know, the one with Enter Sandman on it?"
I've been friends here at school with this one person for two years. The
sheer amount of Rush stuff on my walls and CDs in my collection alerts
even the deaf to the fact that I'm a huge Rush fan. Probably about 60% of
the time someone walks into my place, I'm playing either Rush or DT.
So, this friend has been listening to my Rush discs (kinda like secondhand
smoke, except better for ya) for two years. About a month ago, I had
Moving Pictures in, and "Tom Sawyer" came on. My friend jumps out of her
seat and says "You *have* this song? I must have a copy! Who is it?"
> I was almost choking down sobs after this conversation.
I'm feelin' ya, Beth.
----> From: caber1@concentric.net > Subject: WSOU, Bikinis are bad, Bafu jr., lists, music trend continues, and Tower is fun > > D-Man wrote: > > It was nauseating. Women in bikinis on a beach, > > I don't see anything wrong with this. *punch* Anybody else?
/me hangs his head. That's not what I meant. (groan)
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> From: "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com> > Subject: Re: Here's a challenge > > Or better yet, make your friends who don't like DT try it. > Always good for a laugh.
One of my neighbors is an alternakid. You know, he buys all the MTV stuff. Well, he recently decided that he wanted to be a drummer, so he bought a kit. He asked me what he should listen to as a beginner. I told him to get rid of all this alternacrap and buy some old AC/DC. Then, work your way up.
So, ok. Now, this is another guy that's been getting secondhand Rush and DT for two years. Once he could hear and appreciate drum patterns in music, he came over while Learning to Live was on. He damn near fell over.
Took me two weeks to get my I&W back, until he finally bought his own. Which leads me to my next thought...
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> From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM > Subject: Re[2]: a bigass rant, and some other stuff > > It gets discouraging to see bands with major talent, basically wasting away > in obscurity (barely surviving, unable to get recording contracts, book gigs, > etc.) while some manufactured act like the Spice Girls, becomes a household > name... I think the days of musicians being respoected for their talent and art > by society as a whole, are pretty much over. The general population has bought
I think I got it. The reason that no one cares about the quality of art these days is that no one knows what goes into making it. There are probably far less creative people in the world today than there were 20 years ago. Kids don't seem to be learning how to draw or paint or play the recorder or write stories the way we did in elementary school. (MY GOD, I FEEL OLD!) And without that background, they can't appreciate what they're experiencing. My drummer friend learned to appreciate DT once he realized just what was being done.
> bad, and I don't really think there is too much we can do about it besides > throwing all of our support behind the musicians out there trying to prove that > talent and originality matter.
I think we need to shift the focus of childhood. I mean, hell, I watch commercials for toys on TV, and I get disgusted. Toys today play themselves, and kids just watch. I grew up with GI Joes and a frisbee. We had to make up our own games. The three kids I grew up with and I have become two programmers, a journalist, and a psych student. Creativity early on leads to creativity later.
Kids don't do anything any more. They watch things get done. It's no surprise that everything is the way it is. Short attention spans, stupid toys, stupid music, stupid people working at McDonalds...
> I had the money, I'd start an underground radio station (even an AM one, because > FM is a major business now) in a large population area like LA or NY, with no > specific format...let the DJs play what they felt was good, let unknown bands
That's an awesome idea, and it would help some because good music desperately needs exposure. But there are bigger and badder forces at work, I'm afraid.
We need a new Renaissance. We need a rebirth of art, a society that embraces talent, rather than mediocrity, on all levels of life.
For now, I'm just going to curl up with my headphones and a good CD, and wait for the world to catch up to us.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:05:11 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Brain Donors + misc (nothing of music) Message-ID: <199707251106.OAA13387@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
Vince wrote:
> Man, Brain Donors is the funniest flick I ever did see. Really dry, > Groucho Marx type of humour...Bob Nelson has got to be the funniest man > alive!!!
I almost agree. I watched "Splitting Heirs" and "Brain Donors" one night and till now I can't make up my mind, which was funnier. They both rocked!
But my award of the funniest guy goes to (tadam!) John Cleese! Guys like that shouldn't be allowed to die. Somebody must pass a law of nature against it...
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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