YTSEJAM Digest 2798
Today's Topics:
1) Learning to Live.
by Mike Skoog <mskoog@raven.phs.com>
2) DYT (Deep Ytsejam Thought)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
3) Wow, two posts in one day ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) Dads 'n Stuph
by MTeiper@aol.com
5) Re: Regarding the Who and Iced Earth
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
6) Napalm Death
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
7) no more digest
by "Ludwig Rey" <ludwig_rey@hotmail.com>
8) Re: Learning to Live.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
9) revolution
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) Iced Earth's "Days of Purgatory"
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
11) Buyers guide to the galaxy
by HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2797
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
13) Re: Wuz up?
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
14) does no one know Yes and Styx?
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
15) selfish bastages
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
16) I've heard MICHAEL.ANGELO. and he is for sale
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
17) Review: Finneus Gauge - more once more.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) let's go for three, why not?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
19) Queensryche at Great Woods Aug.2
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
20) RE: My last message..
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Skoog <mskoog@raven.phs.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Learning to Live.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.970726182423.25538A-100000@raven.phs.com>
Does anyone have an mp3 of this?
I've been searching the local shops for a cd with this on it, to no avail
(obviously).
I'm more than willing to trade some of the stuff from my wierdo collection
for it. Hell, I'll fill your mailbox :P
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"Blind to our own transgressions
we've condoned this atrocity
the problem only multiplies
darkness begetting darkness."
- Solitude Aeturnus
"Together and Wither"
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:34:31 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DYT (Deep Ytsejam Thought)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970726213425.0068a144@mail.ici.net>
DYT: Don't you think Mr. Farber is starting to sound a lot like the Tool
song "A Message To Harry Mansbach"?
"One in three jammers dies of cancer, y'know? You're gonna be one of them.
Fuck You. Die."
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
E-Mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
______________________________________________________
What is the speed of dark?
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:46:17 -0400
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wow, two posts in one day ....
Message-ID: <199707270146.VAA03641@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey again ...
I know, you should be amazed, I don't usually post this often
:) PLEASE (please,please,please) refrain from posting about George
Farber or taking any action against him (mailbombing, etc).
Thanks,
Skadz
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dads 'n Stuph
Message-ID: <970726235641_1246580781@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Hey -
All this talk about cool Dads made me wanna post about mine... he's BIG into
Dream Theater (thanx to me), Rush, and all kinds of classic rock. I've seen
DT 7 times, and I think he's come with me to the show for 5 of them,
including one travelling out of the state! Way cool... he's the only
fifty-something year old dude who can rattle off the lyrics to OAMOT without
needing a cheat-sheet! Laterz...
- Matt T.
NOW PLAYING: Anthrax "Stomp 442"
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:56:16 -0400
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding the Who and Iced Earth
Message-ID: <199707270358.UAA20650@odin.ax.com>
> I love "The Dark Saga", but can't really get into
> their older stuff, probably because I am partial to their latest singer.
I wonder if ICED EARTH will be on the soundtrack to the movie SPAWN.
After all, "the dark saga" album is based on SPAWN, the comic book.
This would give the band a little more exposure.
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:31:21 +0000
From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Napalm Death
Message-ID: <199707270540.AAA27301@Walden.MO.NET>
I'm not too sure if I'm going yet or not, but if anyone's going to
the Napalm Death show at The Galaxy in St. Louis Sunday, let me know
and maybe we can hook up (if I do make it). If I go, I'll likely be
wearing my ytsejam shirt.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:12:25 PDT
From: "Ludwig Rey" <ludwig_rey@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: no more digest
Message-ID: <199707270612.XAA15264@f69.hotmail.com>
Hi!
I receive your digest everyday, but since I haven't requested for them,
I'd like you to stop your mailing
yours sincerly, ludwig.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:13:28 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Learning to Live.
Message-ID: <199707270618.XAA21328@odin.ax.com>
>Does anyone have an mp3 of this?
>
>I've been searching the local shops for a cd with this on it, to no avail
>(obviously).
Um... mebbe you mean To Live Forever? Learning to Live is track 8 on
Images & Words. heheh I think there's an MP3 of TLF at
http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/newstuff/sounds.html
Later!
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 02:27:51 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: revolution
Message-ID: <19970727063050.AAA3048@sni.pananet.com>
I've been thinking about what D said about the new renassaince and stuff,
and realized something. Ok, there's a lot of music out there made by
'serious' composers ... you know the equivalent Beethoven or Bach, but of
course doing completely new stuff. And prog is really kind of the border
between popular music and 'serious' music.
My point?
If we want other poeple to start listening to DT and other music, we should
open ourselves up and start listening to all those composers. I started
getting into that, after listening to Zappa's orchestral work... there are
so many ppl out there doing really new innovative things, and worst off
than the prog artists mentioned in this list. For example there's this guy
called Glenn Branca who writes electric guitar symphonies and what I've
heard is pretty darn freaky (Just for those who want to know, Page Hamilton
of Helmet used to be in his orchestra) We should try to at least give that
music a chance, look for it, spread the word, so these artists can move at
least a tiny step closer to the limelight.
We shouldn't wait for the new renaissance, we should start it.
anybody notice I'm overly optimistic today?
Ernie
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 03:41:34 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Iced Earth's "Days of Purgatory"
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970727034134.006a5ebc@pop.negia.net>
Matt wants to know:
>Onto other news, I was looking for some information regarding the new Iced
>Earth album, I think it's called "Days Of Purgatory", or something like that.
> At one point I was led to believe that it would be all new material. Then I
>heard how it would be material taken directly from their first few CD's.
> Then I heard how it would be a CD full of old stuff, rerecorded with the new
>singer. Which is true? I love "The Dark Saga", but can't really get into
>their older stuff, probably because I am partial to their latest singer. If
>the new singer sings older stuff, I may have to pick it up. Again, any info
>would help greatly.
"Days of Purgatory" is a definite "must-get" for any Iced Earth fan. Two
discs, 21 tracks. All previously written material, BUT...
Matt Barlow (the new vocalist) sings on all the tracks;
Brent Smedley and Jimmy McDonough (newest drummer and bassist) provide
their own tracks for all but four or five of the tunes;
All the tracks have been remastered and reworked to sound even better.
There's also a different mix of "Dante's Inferno" from the one heard on
"Burnt Offerings".
If you're an Iced Earth neophyte, this is a great place to start. If you
see it anyplace, pick it up. It was only available in Europe for quite some
time; good to hear it's finally making it over here.
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:39:14 +0200
From: HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Buyers guide to the galaxy
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970727103914.0069fc6c@mailer.student.gu.se>
Hi...
I want to find and buy some cool Dream Theater necklaces, where can I find
such things....
Help me out....
HoT
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:25:44 -0500
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2797
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970727082542.00692bc0@enteract.com>
>Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:17:22 +0200
>From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
>Subject: PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WITH YOUR WISDOM
>1- 4/4 can be seen as two measures in 2/4. So if a song is in 4/4=20
> who tells me it can't be also 2/4?
>
Well, you have to look at the sheet music. In my opinion, 2/4 and 4/4/
should sound basically alike. In 2/4, the accent is placed in the one beat,
and in 4/4/, accents are placed on the one and three beats. So it does
sound the same.
>
>2- What is the difference between a song in 4/4 (100bpm) and a
> song in 4/8 (100bpm)? Isn't it the same thing? =20
>
*BIG* difference! In 4/4, there are four beats per measure, and the
quarter note gets one count. In 4/8, there are four beats per measure, but
the eighth note gets one count. At 100 bpm, 4/8 should sound half as fast
as the 4/4.
>
>3- Wouldn't be cool if we had...like 6 fingers in each hand? According=20
> to my science book, this genetical mutation is common in Eastern Russia.=
>=20
> Now you already know: don't mess with russian guitar players. :)
>
No, it'd be difficult to find 6-fingered latex gloves. And we'd have no
middle finger, which would make Mads very sad... ;)
Come to think of it, my old theory teacher would kill me for explaining
time signatures like that. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the
"correct" explanation would be... *shrug*
-Maddy
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Wuz up?
Message-ID: <v01520d00b000eafbf7cc@[207.90.116.193]>
From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
>Wuz up?
>
>Alternacrap sux!
>prog sux!
>metal sux!
>cRAP sux!
you forgot one:
George Farber sux!
(or is that Farbre???)
>Dream Theatre rules!
..ER.
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
Summer 1997 Update site:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: does no one know Yes and Styx?
Message-ID: <970727130151_682961889@emout01.mail.aol.com>
C'mon people, someone out there has got to have heard of these bands... Ive
seen people mention Yes a couple of times... hell its even on the top ten i
believe... so why, pray tell, has no one replied to my last post, hmmmmm? i
think i need a hug :}
Well, anyway, id please like _someone_ to give me a few answers please...
Has anyone heard of Styx, and what is their opinion?
How many albums does Yes have?
Which ones should i get first?
(other questions i can not think of)?
email me privately or post on the jam, just reply!
~Lisa
dragynlmc3@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: selfish bastages
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970727135946.8371C-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
if prog ever got huge, it'd suck
we've been over this territory many times before, about how we secretly
*like* the fact that prog isn't big, because the way it is, we can sit
back and bitch at all those other forms of less-than-*good* (whatever the
hell that means) that are getting popular while *real* musicians are
shafted by the whims of an inattentive public.....
funny thing is, when prog catches on, if it ever does, there are gonna be
a lot of stories like Beth's Metallica tale......
generic jammer: "you're a yes fan? what's your favorite album?"
16 year old : "oh, i like that really really old one, it came out way
the hell back in the 80s, called Big Generator.....man,
that band really used to be really progressive back then"
Do you really want this? Sure, it's an over-the-top, off-the-cuff, full of
BS generalization, but isn't that what's happening to the fan base of
those few metal bands that have survived and thrived into the late 90s?
(Metallica comes to mind).....I'm just thinking that it's really cool to
be listening to stuff like DT and FW and know that I'm relatively alone in
that taste......I wouldn't begrudge them huge success, none of us would,
but.....it would't (couldn't?) be the same to hear DT on the radio
constantly.....there's something incredibly exquisite about staying up all
night writing a paper or something, and then at 3 AM, you're just about to
give up on that paper, and then all of a sudden you're hearing Pull Me
Under on the RADIO, and 5 minutes later, you're even more tired then you
were 5 minutes ago because you were jumping around
headbangingairdrummingandguitaringandhairwhipping etc. and because you
wore yourself out to the strains of PMU on the RADIO, you fall asleep and
have to turn the paper in late (True Story, good thing I had the
kick-assingest TA for that class)
Main point, if DT were big, and PMU came on the radio regularly, I woulda
got that paper in on time.....but I wouldn't had that pleasure of going
freaking wild over DT like that.......and even if it is selfish, I'd like
to keep that........
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:23:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I've heard MICHAEL.ANGELO. and he is for sale
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970727141530.8371D-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
picked up Nitro's O.F.R album cheaplike.......it sucks
maybe it's cuz i ain't into that shred groove, I dunno
I gotta say, there were awesome solos going on, but.....they were just
totally USELESS in the context of the song.....perfectly awesome
pyrotechnics wasted in the middle of some icky music......
about the lyrics.....an excuse for Gillette to shriek.....I can well
believe that the guy can shatter glass.....and about his picture in the
booklet......do I recall correctly that someone said he was married to
Lita Ford? If yeah, I wonder if they have hair contests in that
household......interesting coiffure, I must say.....and the rest of the
band don't look much less lost in the 80s.....
ANGELO. is holding this bad-ass 4-guitar in one thing, 4 fully strung
necks meeting in a cross shape.....is that thing actually playable? cool
weapon, gotta say.....
partha
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Review: Finneus Gauge - more once more.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970727142536.10602A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
From: Syrinx <syrinx@mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive
Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 1:22 PM
Subject: Review: Finneus Gauge - more once more.
every now and then, i hear a piece (or pieces) of music that totally
change my perception of what music can do. a piece (or pieces) of music
that can do this is worthy (i think) of recognition.
as you are all aware, Finneus Gauge (featuring Chris Buzby from Echolyn)
have released their debut cd entitled "more once more" on train recORDS
(their own label) and here's my little review of it.
everyone in finneus should be shot. why? simple, really. no set of
musicians should be able to put out such a oustanding disc and be allowed
to live. it's _THAT_ good.
The band sounds like they've been playing together for years. The fact
that they have only been together for 1 is amazing. This band is one of
the tightest i have ever heard - either live or on record. The band has a
sound i can't quite describe. Each member of the band seems to be doing
their own thing (and seperatly you can't see it) but as a whole the mirage
of colors that fg gives the listener to hear is unmistakable. Each member
of FG (Chris Eike - bass; Jonn Buzby - drums; Chris Buzby - keyboards; Scott
McGill - guitar; Laura Martin - vocals ) interweavs their own personality
to the sound, and makes it indeed a "mess of finnesse."
The big suprise to me came in the strength of Laura Martin's vocals. Her
nervousness shed her voice really shines through. Her ability to
literally take over a song (like "King Of The Chord Change, for
example) with her >voice is a testament to how well she sings.
Finneus Gauge's web site is run by Ghost at
http://ghostland.com/finneus.html and Scott McGill's "The Hand Farm" site is
run at http://ghostland.com/handfarm/ so go order the discs and support your
fellow wingnuts.
mike,
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: let's go for three, why not?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970727142348.8371E-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Mutha's Day Out......picked 'em up, same place, same price as Nitro, and
album called "My Soul Is Wet"
And this is so far above that other band, it's amazing
Above all else, a really fun disc to listen to, even though they are
hitting heavy subjects at times....
Pellaz just recounted how they fell apart last week......damn shame.....
Love stinks, sometimes, esp. if it ain't you in it......
How to describe this band? Lemme see, Take Rage Against the Machine, and
Pantera and blend them, and calm the resultant product down a whole lot,
throw in a pinch of Run DMC and Faith No More (vocal wise)....back that up
with the crunch of a Maraya.....y'know, I wouldn't rally call this
progressive, but it's a heavy, angry-sounding-without-going-ballistic, and
in my final book a great disc, something I'm gonna be listening to for a
long time.......if you can find it grab it, by all means.......
partha
funny thing....irony or whatever....if this band hadn't been mentioned on
the jam last week, I'm not sure I woulda recognized the name and missed it
altogether......
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:32:24 -0400
From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Queensryche at Great Woods Aug.2
Message-ID: <19970727.163759.3446.3.EdWilk@juno.com>
Hey all,
I'll be at the Queensryche show on Aug. 2 at Great Woods, and I'd
like to meet some Jammers. I'll be in a Ytsejam shirt, I'm 5'7", and
I'll be in my fitted ATLANTA BRAVES hat. In first place to STAY, D. :-)
So, stop me and introduce yourself.
Ed-San
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:37:51 -0400
From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: My last message..
Message-ID: <19970727.163759.3446.5.EdWilk@juno.com>
Oh, yeah. I'll be in Section 4, row J.
Ed-San
"Maybe I should write it first, and do the living later...
Life is so much cleaner, on the page..." -KevMo
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