YTSEJAM digest 2798

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sun Jul 27 1997 - 20:18:19 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2798

    Today's Topics:

      1) Learning to Live.
     by Mike Skoog <mskoog@raven.phs.com>
      2) DYT (Deep Ytsejam Thought)
     by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
      3) Wow, two posts in one day ....
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
      4) Dads 'n Stuph
     by MTeiper@aol.com
      5) Re: Regarding the Who and Iced Earth
     by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
      6) Napalm Death
     by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
      7) no more digest
     by "Ludwig Rey" <ludwig_rey@hotmail.com>
      8) Re: Learning to Live.
     by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
      9) revolution
     by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
     10) Iced Earth's "Days of Purgatory"
     by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
     11) Buyers guide to the galaxy
     by HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2797
     by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
     13) Re: Wuz up?
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
     14) does no one know Yes and Styx?
     by DragynLMC3@aol.com
     15) selfish bastages
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
     16) I've heard MICHAEL.ANGELO. and he is for sale
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
     17) Review: Finneus Gauge - more once more.
     by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
     18) let's go for three, why not?
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
     19) Queensryche at Great Woods Aug.2
     by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
     20) RE: My last message..
     by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Mike Skoog <mskoog@raven.phs.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Learning to Live.
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.970726182423.25538A-100000@raven.phs.com>

    Does anyone have an mp3 of this?

    I've been searching the local shops for a cd with this on it, to no avail
    (obviously).

    I'm more than willing to trade some of the stuff from my wierdo collection
    for it. Hell, I'll fill your mailbox :P

    ----------
    "Blind to our own transgressions
    we've condoned this atrocity
    the problem only multiplies
    darkness begetting darkness."
            - Solitude Aeturnus
              "Together and Wither"

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:34:31 -0400
    From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DYT (Deep Ytsejam Thought)
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970726213425.0068a144@mail.ici.net>

    DYT: Don't you think Mr. Farber is starting to sound a lot like the Tool
    song "A Message To Harry Mansbach"?

    "One in three jammers dies of cancer, y'know? You're gonna be one of them.
    Fuck You. Die."

     
     
    _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
    E-Mail: psull@ici.net
    WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
    IRC: DDictator
    ______________________________________________________
    What is the speed of dark?

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:46:17 -0400
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Wow, two posts in one day ....
    Message-ID: <199707270146.VAA03641@wicked.stigmata.org>

    Hey again ...

            I know, you should be amazed, I don't usually post this often
    :) PLEASE (please,please,please) refrain from posting about George
    Farber or taking any action against him (mailbombing, etc).

    Thanks,
    Skadz

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
    From: MTeiper@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Dads 'n Stuph
    Message-ID: <970726235641_1246580781@emout02.mail.aol.com>

    Hey -

    All this talk about cool Dads made me wanna post about mine... he's BIG into
    Dream Theater (thanx to me), Rush, and all kinds of classic rock. I've seen
    DT 7 times, and I think he's come with me to the show for 5 of them,
    including one travelling out of the state! Way cool... he's the only
    fifty-something year old dude who can rattle off the lyrics to OAMOT without
    needing a cheat-sheet! Laterz...

    - Matt T.

    NOW PLAYING: Anthrax "Stomp 442"

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:56:16 -0400
    From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Regarding the Who and Iced Earth
    Message-ID: <199707270358.UAA20650@odin.ax.com>

    > I love "The Dark Saga", but can't really get into
    > their older stuff, probably because I am partial to their latest singer.

    I wonder if ICED EARTH will be on the soundtrack to the movie SPAWN.
    After all, "the dark saga" album is based on SPAWN, the comic book.
    This would give the band a little more exposure.

    Elvis Batur
    cyclone@securenet.net
    Music In Progress
    http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:31:21 +0000
    From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Napalm Death
    Message-ID: <199707270540.AAA27301@Walden.MO.NET>

    I'm not too sure if I'm going yet or not, but if anyone's going to
    the Napalm Death show at The Galaxy in St. Louis Sunday, let me know
    and maybe we can hook up (if I do make it). If I go, I'll likely be
    wearing my ytsejam shirt.

    Dale R. Newberry

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:12:25 PDT
    From: "Ludwig Rey" <ludwig_rey@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: no more digest
    Message-ID: <199707270612.XAA15264@f69.hotmail.com>

    Hi!

    I receive your digest everyday, but since I haven't requested for them,
    I'd like you to stop your mailing

    yours sincerly, ludwig.

    ______________________________________________________
    Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:13:28 -0600
    From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Learning to Live.
    Message-ID: <199707270618.XAA21328@odin.ax.com>

    >Does anyone have an mp3 of this?
    >
    >I've been searching the local shops for a cd with this on it, to no avail
    >(obviously).

    Um... mebbe you mean To Live Forever? Learning to Live is track 8 on
    Images & Words. heheh I think there's an MP3 of TLF at
    http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/newstuff/sounds.html

    Later!
                KorgX3
                KorgX3@cyberhighway.net

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 02:27:51 -0400
    From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: revolution
    Message-ID: <19970727063050.AAA3048@sni.pananet.com>

    I've been thinking about what D said about the new renassaince and stuff,
    and realized something. Ok, there's a lot of music out there made by
    'serious' composers ... you know the equivalent Beethoven or Bach, but of
    course doing completely new stuff. And prog is really kind of the border
    between popular music and 'serious' music.

    My point?

    If we want other poeple to start listening to DT and other music, we should
    open ourselves up and start listening to all those composers. I started
    getting into that, after listening to Zappa's orchestral work... there are
    so many ppl out there doing really new innovative things, and worst off
    than the prog artists mentioned in this list. For example there's this guy
    called Glenn Branca who writes electric guitar symphonies and what I've
    heard is pretty darn freaky (Just for those who want to know, Page Hamilton
    of Helmet used to be in his orchestra) We should try to at least give that
    music a chance, look for it, spread the word, so these artists can move at
    least a tiny step closer to the limelight.

    We shouldn't wait for the new renaissance, we should start it.

    anybody notice I'm overly optimistic today?
    Ernie

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 03:41:34 -0400
    From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Iced Earth's "Days of Purgatory"
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970727034134.006a5ebc@pop.negia.net>

    Matt wants to know:

    >Onto other news, I was looking for some information regarding the new Iced
    >Earth album, I think it's called "Days Of Purgatory", or something like that.
    > At one point I was led to believe that it would be all new material. Then I
    >heard how it would be material taken directly from their first few CD's.
    > Then I heard how it would be a CD full of old stuff, rerecorded with the new
    >singer. Which is true? I love "The Dark Saga", but can't really get into
    >their older stuff, probably because I am partial to their latest singer. If
    >the new singer sings older stuff, I may have to pick it up. Again, any info
    >would help greatly.

    "Days of Purgatory" is a definite "must-get" for any Iced Earth fan. Two
    discs, 21 tracks. All previously written material, BUT...

    Matt Barlow (the new vocalist) sings on all the tracks;
    Brent Smedley and Jimmy McDonough (newest drummer and bassist) provide
    their own tracks for all but four or five of the tunes;
    All the tracks have been remastered and reworked to sound even better.
    There's also a different mix of "Dante's Inferno" from the one heard on
    "Burnt Offerings".

    If you're an Iced Earth neophyte, this is a great place to start. If you
    see it anyplace, pick it up. It was only available in Europe for quite some
    time; good to hear it's finally making it over here.

    Cheers,
    Phil

    =========================================================
    Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
    "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
                            -- Berthold Auerbach
    "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
    no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
    gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:39:14 +0200
    From: HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
    To: Ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Buyers guide to the galaxy
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970727103914.0069fc6c@mailer.student.gu.se>

    Hi...

    I want to find and buy some cool Dream Theater necklaces, where can I find
    such things....

    Help me out....

    HoT

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:25:44 -0500
    From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2797
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970727082542.00692bc0@enteract.com>

    >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:17:22 +0200
    >From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
    >Subject: PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WITH YOUR WISDOM

    >1- 4/4 can be seen as two measures in 2/4. So if a song is in 4/4=20
    > who tells me it can't be also 2/4?
    >
    Well, you have to look at the sheet music. In my opinion, 2/4 and 4/4/
    should sound basically alike. In 2/4, the accent is placed in the one beat,
    and in 4/4/, accents are placed on the one and three beats. So it does
    sound the same.

    >
    >2- What is the difference between a song in 4/4 (100bpm) and a
    > song in 4/8 (100bpm)? Isn't it the same thing? =20
    >
     *BIG* difference! In 4/4, there are four beats per measure, and the
    quarter note gets one count. In 4/8, there are four beats per measure, but
    the eighth note gets one count. At 100 bpm, 4/8 should sound half as fast
    as the 4/4.

    >
    >3- Wouldn't be cool if we had...like 6 fingers in each hand? According=20
    > to my science book, this genetical mutation is common in Eastern Russia.=
    >=20
    > Now you already know: don't mess with russian guitar players. :)
    >
    No, it'd be difficult to find 6-fingered latex gloves. And we'd have no
    middle finger, which would make Mads very sad... ;)

    Come to think of it, my old theory teacher would kill me for explaining
    time signatures like that. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the
    "correct" explanation would be... *shrug*

    -Maddy

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Wuz up?
    Message-ID: <v01520d00b000eafbf7cc@[207.90.116.193]>

    From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
    >Wuz up?
    >
    >Alternacrap sux!
    >prog sux!
    >metal sux!
    >cRAP sux!

    you forgot one:

    George Farber sux!

    (or is that Farbre???)

    >Dream Theatre rules!

    ..ER.

    Dan

    ---+ +---
        Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com
             "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages"
    http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
                   Summer 1997 Update site:
       http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/
    ---+ +---

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
    From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: does no one know Yes and Styx?
    Message-ID: <970727130151_682961889@emout01.mail.aol.com>

    C'mon people, someone out there has got to have heard of these bands... Ive
    seen people mention Yes a couple of times... hell its even on the top ten i
    believe... so why, pray tell, has no one replied to my last post, hmmmmm? i
    think i need a hug :}
    Well, anyway, id please like _someone_ to give me a few answers please...
    Has anyone heard of Styx, and what is their opinion?
    How many albums does Yes have?
    Which ones should i get first?
    (other questions i can not think of)?
    email me privately or post on the jam, just reply!

    ~Lisa
    dragynlmc3@aol.com

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: selfish bastages
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970727135946.8371C-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    if prog ever got huge, it'd suck
    we've been over this territory many times before, about how we secretly
    *like* the fact that prog isn't big, because the way it is, we can sit
    back and bitch at all those other forms of less-than-*good* (whatever the
    hell that means) that are getting popular while *real* musicians are
    shafted by the whims of an inattentive public.....

    funny thing is, when prog catches on, if it ever does, there are gonna be
    a lot of stories like Beth's Metallica tale......
    generic jammer: "you're a yes fan? what's your favorite album?"
    16 year old : "oh, i like that really really old one, it came out way
                    the hell back in the 80s, called Big Generator.....man,
                    that band really used to be really progressive back then"

    Do you really want this? Sure, it's an over-the-top, off-the-cuff, full of
    BS generalization, but isn't that what's happening to the fan base of
    those few metal bands that have survived and thrived into the late 90s?
    (Metallica comes to mind).....I'm just thinking that it's really cool to
    be listening to stuff like DT and FW and know that I'm relatively alone in
    that taste......I wouldn't begrudge them huge success, none of us would,
    but.....it would't (couldn't?) be the same to hear DT on the radio
    constantly.....there's something incredibly exquisite about staying up all
    night writing a paper or something, and then at 3 AM, you're just about to
    give up on that paper, and then all of a sudden you're hearing Pull Me
    Under on the RADIO, and 5 minutes later, you're even more tired then you
    were 5 minutes ago because you were jumping around
    headbangingairdrummingandguitaringandhairwhipping etc. and because you
    wore yourself out to the strains of PMU on the RADIO, you fall asleep and
    have to turn the paper in late (True Story, good thing I had the
    kick-assingest TA for that class)

    Main point, if DT were big, and PMU came on the radio regularly, I woulda
    got that paper in on time.....but I wouldn't had that pleasure of going
    freaking wild over DT like that.......and even if it is selfish, I'd like
    to keep that........

    partha sarathi mukhopadhyay

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:23:45 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: I've heard MICHAEL.ANGELO. and he is for sale
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970727141530.8371D-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    picked up Nitro's O.F.R album cheaplike.......it sucks
    maybe it's cuz i ain't into that shred groove, I dunno

    I gotta say, there were awesome solos going on, but.....they were just
    totally USELESS in the context of the song.....perfectly awesome
    pyrotechnics wasted in the middle of some icky music......

    about the lyrics.....an excuse for Gillette to shriek.....I can well
    believe that the guy can shatter glass.....and about his picture in the
    booklet......do I recall correctly that someone said he was married to
    Lita Ford? If yeah, I wonder if they have hair contests in that
    household......interesting coiffure, I must say.....and the rest of the
    band don't look much less lost in the 80s.....

    ANGELO. is holding this bad-ass 4-guitar in one thing, 4 fully strung
    necks meeting in a cross shape.....is that thing actually playable? cool
    weapon, gotta say.....

    partha

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Review: Finneus Gauge - more once more.
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970727142536.10602A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

    From: Syrinx <syrinx@mindspring.com>
    Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive
    Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 1:22 PM
    Subject: Review: Finneus Gauge - more once more.

    every now and then, i hear a piece (or pieces) of music that totally
    change my perception of what music can do. a piece (or pieces) of music
    that can do this is worthy (i think) of recognition.

            as you are all aware, Finneus Gauge (featuring Chris Buzby from Echolyn)
    have released their debut cd entitled "more once more" on train recORDS
    (their own label) and here's my little review of it.

            everyone in finneus should be shot. why? simple, really. no set of
    musicians should be able to put out such a oustanding disc and be allowed
    to live. it's _THAT_ good.

            The band sounds like they've been playing together for years. The fact
    that they have only been together for 1 is amazing. This band is one of
    the tightest i have ever heard - either live or on record. The band has a
    sound i can't quite describe. Each member of the band seems to be doing
    their own thing (and seperatly you can't see it) but as a whole the mirage
    of colors that fg gives the listener to hear is unmistakable. Each member
    of FG (Chris Eike - bass; Jonn Buzby - drums; Chris Buzby - keyboards; Scott
    McGill - guitar; Laura Martin - vocals ) interweavs their own personality
    to the sound, and makes it indeed a "mess of finnesse."

            The big suprise to me came in the strength of Laura Martin's vocals. Her
    nervousness shed her voice really shines through. Her ability to
    literally take over a song (like "King Of The Chord Change, for
    example) with her >voice is a testament to how well she sings.

            Finneus Gauge's web site is run by Ghost at
    http://ghostland.com/finneus.html and Scott McGill's "The Hand Farm" site is
    run at http://ghostland.com/handfarm/ so go order the discs and support your
    fellow wingnuts.

    mike,

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: let's go for three, why not?
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970727142348.8371E-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    Mutha's Day Out......picked 'em up, same place, same price as Nitro, and
    album called "My Soul Is Wet"
    And this is so far above that other band, it's amazing
    Above all else, a really fun disc to listen to, even though they are
    hitting heavy subjects at times....

    Pellaz just recounted how they fell apart last week......damn shame.....
    Love stinks, sometimes, esp. if it ain't you in it......

    How to describe this band? Lemme see, Take Rage Against the Machine, and
    Pantera and blend them, and calm the resultant product down a whole lot,
    throw in a pinch of Run DMC and Faith No More (vocal wise)....back that up
    with the crunch of a Maraya.....y'know, I wouldn't rally call this
    progressive, but it's a heavy, angry-sounding-without-going-ballistic, and
    in my final book a great disc, something I'm gonna be listening to for a
    long time.......if you can find it grab it, by all means.......

    partha

    funny thing....irony or whatever....if this band hadn't been mentioned on
    the jam last week, I'm not sure I woulda recognized the name and missed it
    altogether......

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:32:24 -0400
    From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Queensryche at Great Woods Aug.2
    Message-ID: <19970727.163759.3446.3.EdWilk@juno.com>

    Hey all,

            I'll be at the Queensryche show on Aug. 2 at Great Woods, and I'd
    like to meet some Jammers. I'll be in a Ytsejam shirt, I'm 5'7", and
    I'll be in my fitted ATLANTA BRAVES hat. In first place to STAY, D. :-)
     So, stop me and introduce yourself.

            Ed-San

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:37:51 -0400
    From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: RE: My last message..
    Message-ID: <19970727.163759.3446.5.EdWilk@juno.com>

    Oh, yeah. I'll be in Section 4, row J.

            Ed-San

            edsan@dream-t.org

    "Maybe I should write it first, and do the living later...
    Life is so much cleaner, on the page..." -KevMo

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