YTSEJAM Digest 2796
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Opeth, Portnoy interview
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
2) Cinderella: Don't know what you got
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
3) lekdhg;kh
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
4) Current Ytse-Survey Int'l II Standings
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
5) Dutch Progressive Rock Page
by Ed Sander <kahuna@pi.net>
6) SPAM alert
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
7) Re: The sad state of 'merican Music (wallflowers correction)
by john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
8) Art in the world
by
9) Re: TOOL (NDTC)
by john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
10) Re: absence makes the heart grow fonder
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
11) The State Of Music
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
12) La Di Da ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
13) Death to all!
by george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 02:05:43 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Ernesto Schnack <ernie@pananet.com>
Subject: Re: Opeth, Portnoy interview
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970726015424.17637A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Ernesto Schnack wrote:
> > This is the third time I'll ask for information about Opeth on
> >this list. I got no responses from the other two. I'd really like if I
> >could get even an "I don't know this band".
>
> Ok, first of all, the siniging is mostly death growling. But the guy does
> sing once in a while. And on the last song on 'Morningrise', he sings the
> whole thing. Guitars: very intersting. No show-offy shit, but they're
> constanly doing harmonies, counterpoint, and a lot of acoustic stuff. The
> sound are overall dark but beautiful. Lyrics are very poetic. And yes their
> songs are very long. On Morningrise, the shortest is about 9min. and the
> longet is 20min. (Only 5 songs on it= 66min). They don't have any choruses,
> it's more of a stream-of-thought. It just keeps changing and changing from
> heavy to soft.
>
> Overall, if you can stand growling... you will love this stuff.
Thank you very much for the review. This was what I was looking
for: a DT fan type of review.
I'd really like to hear their sound before I go (obviously)
importing these CDs. Do you have the CDs?? If yes, would you be interested
in setting up a trade for dubs of these CDs?? I'd really interested in
knowing more "brutal" metal.
I'll update my (bootleg) homepage very soon and if you'd like to
help a newbie, please do so. :-)
Thank you very much for the information and hope to hear from you
soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:34:47 -0500 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cinderella: Don't know what you got Message-ID: <19970726052952354.AAA246@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
>> How's that saying go? You don't really appreciate some things until >> they're gone? > >wasn't that a whitesnake song? it was a hair band anyway... maybe >slaughter or cinderella... i bet bafu would know. he's probably a >closet dokken fan...
That was from Cinderella's "Long Cold Winter", though I can't remember what year it came out... I would have to between '87 and '89. The song was called "Don't know what you got ('till it's gone)". I remember seeing that video on MTV back in the Adam Curry days... they also had another video for "Last Mile", also on the album... They're actually still around, and even have a new album out that was released recently. I recall an episode from Beavis and Butthead where one of their "love ballad" songs was on. The band is in some wharehouse setting up their gear on a stage, and vocalist Tom Keifer is in some phone booth with a sad look on his face trying to call his girlfriend or something. About this time, Butthead lowers his voice and says, "I tried this company, but I just wasn't seeing any savings." I just about fell out of my chair laughing at that one. · • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:56:36 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: lekdhg;kh Message-ID: <19970726045834.AAB17973@sni.pananet.com>
: Yeah, what's up with that? People just don't seem to give a shit anymore : about anything! You put forth an effort to do something well and to do : something right in this world, and the only thanks you get is a snide remark : like, "gee, you got a lot of spare time on your hands?"
Not to mention that evyrone lumps me as a Gen-X-er just because of my age. I'm not a fucking slacker! I know what to do with my life...
: > How's that saying go? You don't really appreciate some things until : > they're gone? : : wasn't that a whitesnake song? it was a hair band anyway... maybe : slaughter or cinderella... i bet bafu would know. he's probably a : closet dokken fan... :
Don't know watcha got, till it's gouuuoooone...
Cinderella dood
: Anyway, with the mention of McDonald's it brought up a good point. If : eating there makes people sick (well, it does me anyway) and their food in : general tastes like shit, why do people go there? :
Well, up till a couple of years ago, I liked the taste. I guess when your kid things taste different. It's just how there are things that you hate whe you are a kid, that you start liking when you grow up.
: I need four Ytse-volunteers to drive over here to Burley, Idaho. Plan to : meet each other in a head-on collision at about 6:00 P.M. on Monday. When : the ambulances pick you up to race you to the hospital, I'll be driving by
I'M IN!!!!!
: Then there is the question do we want prog to become famous? The answer is : both yes and no. Yes because it would be nice to see some great artists earn : the money and recognition they deserve. No because it will become watered : down like metal was in the 80's and alternative in the 90's (no flames : please). One hit wonder prog bands called the Spice Ryches would be on the : radio.
i don't think that can happen. Musically speaking, it's not easy to jump on the prog bandwagon. You have to go through a couple o' years of music training b4 you can even attempt to play some of that shit.
: Prog music is a no win situation today. :( :
right now... but I think things will change. It all goes in cycles. Prog will never be the trend of the day, but it is possible for artists to make a living out of it... like in the 70's.
ha, Ernie
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:10:43 -0700 From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Current Ytse-Survey Int'l II Standings Message-ID: <33D85F83.6F3A@phnx.uswest.net>
Salutations from the management and staff of Ytse-Survey II (me):
We're almost finished! We still lack 26 entries to reach the goal of 150, and there are only 5 DAYS LEFT! For those of you who have been waiting until the last minute, and we're pretty close to it, e-mail me at syoung@phnx.uswest.net with your 10 favorite 'non-Dream Theater' bands/artists -- Entries will be accepted until 11:59 p.m., July 31st; at that point, the entries will be compiled and a Ytse-Survey II champion crowned.
Current statistics are as follows (as of 7/26/97, 1:00 a.m. AZ time):
Number of entries: 124 Number of different bands/artists mentioned: 310
Current Survey Top 10 (with number of entries): 1) Rush (67) 2) Queensryche (62) 3) Savatage (46) 4) Fates Warning (45) 5) Metallica (33) 6) Megadeth (31) 7) Yes (26) 8) Steve Vai (25) 9) Angra (24) Iron Maiden
Rush went on another tear, and now lead QR by 5. Savatage and FW continue to fight it out for 3rd. I believe we have discovered which 10 bands/artists are the most popular among 'Jammers. This Top 10 has not changed in over 3 weeks, though the order has changed, but there are a few entries that are making a move on Angra and IM at the bottom.
Other bands/artists making the 'honorable mention' list (12 entries or more -- in no particular order): Tori Amos, Genesis, Lemur Voice, Yngwie Malmsteen, Marillion, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Shadow Gallery, Stratovarius, and Superior.
We have just 5 days to go, so don't delay -- SEND TODAY!
Steve Y syoung@phnx.uswest.net
"KILL MY BOSS?!? Do I dare live out the American dream?" -- Homer Simpson
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:24:42 -0700 From: Ed Sander <kahuna@pi.net> To: Freaks <freaks@ax.com>, Subject: Dutch Progressive Rock Page Message-ID: <33DA32DA.12A0@pi.net>
Dear Progressive Rock fans,
As some of you may have noticed, the Dutch Progressive Rock Page has been unavailable for some weeks now. Because of the summer holidays the server has been shut down :( Because the DPRP-team (Ed, Jerry, Rene, Henri, Francois, Jeroen, Neil and Martijn) feel that we can no longer gamble on the availability of the server (we may get kicked of any day after the restart) we have decided to search for a new provider. At the moment we are still looking for a good (and not too expensive) provider (as we have a load of 1.2 Gb / month we cannot go for a normal account) and the cheapest one we have found thus far is around 60 pounds a month.
Since this is a hobby for all of us, and maintaining the pages and keeping you updated on all of the relevant information is done out of love for the music, we don't want to be forced to spent buckets of cash on a provider. Therefore, the best solution would be to find a provider who would be willing to sponsor us by offering us free space/data traffic.
If any of you have advise for us or are able to help us, please get in contact.
Hope you will bear with us, the DPRP team.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:19:19 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SPAM alert Message-ID: <33D9F957.1A715699@shaw.wave.ca>
> THIS IS A SPECIAL GUARDIAN ANGEL...YOU MUST PASS THIS ON TO 5 PEOPLE WITHIN > THE HOUR OF RECEIVIN1G HER..AFTER U DO MAKE A WISH....IF U HAVE PASSED HER ON, > YOUR WISH WILL B GRANTED AND SHE'LL WATCH OVER U FOREVER.. IF NOT..HER TEARS > WILL FLOW AND NO WISHES WILL BE GRANTED..~ > ..and I'm Santa Claus.
FUCK YOU!
I mean, seriously... haven't we had enough shit on the Jam lately? BTW, if anyone knows where George Farber lives, I'll use my parents frequent flyer miles to personally fly down there and fucking flatten his face like a pancake. The music industry? Who cares - didn't we go through that thread a couple of months ago? (And it was the same people saying the same things too...) DTDT: If the moon is made of glass... how come it doesn't break when it gets hit by meteors and stuff?
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:44:36 -0500 (CDT) From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The sad state of 'merican Music (wallflowers correction) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970726093904.14986A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Korg Eksthrey wrote:
| The music scene. Why do people flock around to see certain bands? OK... | the Wallflowers. Paul McCartney's son plays in it. It must be cool.
i believe you mean Bob Dylan's son, Jakob Dylan. i happen to like em. good album. kinda reminds me of Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds...
john (saveur) j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t
s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:47:18 -0400 To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Art in the world Message-ID: <33DA0DF6.A2F702F8@erols.com>
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Date: July 25, 1997 From: Madrigal To: Ytsejam Subject: Art in the world
Yes, D-man, I agree with you that art needs to be re-established at an early age. I teach music at the middle school age (Yes, I am crazy) and the amount of stuff these kids don't know is amazing! I feel that I have to teach History, Geography, Math and Literature and then get to the music. They should at least have a background of knowledge by the time they hit eighth grade. One of the problems is that the arts are slowly being phased out of the elementary school in favor of the "academics" and jobs are not easy to find. Of course, finding someone knowledgeable and willing to accept a teacher's salary is another story. All we can do is keep lobbying for the arts with out local school boards and government. It is usually interesting in class when I have Queensryche, Rush or Dream Theater on the CD player. I try to find as many excuses to use this material to teach things as well as using a variety of classical music and other types. I steer away from rap though. By the way, is anyone going to the Queensryche concert at the Nissan tonight? I'll be there. If anyone is interested in older rock, the York Fairgrounds (PA) is having a rib cook-off this weekend and Sunday night Hybrid Ice and Blue Oyster Cult is playing. Check it out. Mike, don't worry about being ADHD. My husband is and about 50% of the kids I teach. I figure in 10 - 20 years you will be in the majority :)
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:03:43 -0500 (CDT) From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: TOOL (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970726094445.14986B-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Matt Lamoureux wrote:
| Question for 'Jammers: How many of you think Tool kicks serious @$$?
i guess Matt wasnt on the Jam back when AEnima was released...i only posted 3 or 4 or 20 times about how much they kick ass :)
| but I want to know how many of those sales are to 'Jammers. Are they | talented musicians? With all the prog talk, I'm curious how 'Jammers would
i think they're all very talented musicians. yeah, ok, so Adam Jones isnt Petrucci, but i put em on the same creativity level. Adam is just so different than yer average guitarist. Maynard's vox make me cream my jeans. he's ability to draw the listener in and fuk w/ their mind and emotions is amazing. Danny is on my top 5 drummers of all time (i'll avoid listing the other 4 so Skadz cant kick me off :) and of course, i've left the bassist for last, cuz i could spout all day about Justin and Paul. suffice it to say that both have made their mark on my playing style and line writing.
| classify them (if it's possible). Here's something else to tempt the | flame-happy: aren't they prog to some extent? (I know - another 'what is | prog?' thread). I wouldn't put them in Heavy Metal or Mainstream Rock or | Alternative - so what else is there?
i place TOOL in a catagory all by themselves. sure, there have been some attempts to clone em - Quicksand, Filter - but they still stand out as being truely unique. they do have some prog tendencies - long songs, odd time sigs, conceptual albums - but i hesitate to call em prog for the same reason Soundgarden and Jimmie's Chicken Shack (post coming soon on JCS) isnt prog...they just arent (and let's not start the "what is prog" thread...again. plz :)
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Brandon Elhai wrote:
| their trying out new things on their albums. But as far as weird time | sigs, and all the other things that go into the definition of prog rock,
no weird time sigs? see, that's the beauty of TOOL...they fuk things up and you dont even realise it unless you really *listen*. go back and listen to undertow and count out the time sigs.
| Did anyone catch them on 120 minutes last sunday? They showed the premier | of the "aenema" video. A somewhat disturbing video, but then again all | their videos are disturbing.
yep. very kool. notice it was directed by Adam? pure genius.
learn to swim, john (saveur)
j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t
s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:34:05 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: absence makes the heart grow fonder Message-ID: <199707261542.KAA10340@Walden.MO.NET>
> > How's that saying go? You don't really appreciate some things until > > they're gone? Kinda reminds me of the line in Maiden's "Wasted Years," that goes "You never miss it 'til it's gone away."
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:44:34 -0400 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The State Of Music Message-ID: <199707261542.LAA00332@kira.ici.net>
>Keep in >mind the history is what my uncle, who works around musicians, says. I did >not start listening to music until the 80's.
This was a very accurate summation of the state of music in 1997.
The thing I find most disturbing is the way record companies today are equating radio airplay with success. They are marketing all their cash cows to the radio stations/advertisers, rather than to the listeners.
Look back to the 80's and see who the successful rock acts were. Yes, you had Boston and U2 and Whitesnake and all those bands, but you also had your Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and all those bands who were selling out arenas, but (at that time) were doing it with little or no radio airplay. The fanbase alone was enough to make the bands both successful and profitable.
I still remember listening in shock the first time I heard Metallica on "America's Top 40" (the edited version of "One"). At the time, I was excited that the harder-edged bands were finally going to get some mass-media exposure. Seeing what has happened since then has made me wonder if that was such a good thing after all. If you look specifically at Metallica and Megadeth today, you see bands that, for whatever reason, sound "watered-down" when compared to themselves ten years ago. It could be a natural part of the aging process, or a conscious decision on the part of the band/label, but it is undeniably happening.
The reason it bothers me is because my tastes are running counter to that. I first started listening to "metal" about 10 years ago. In the last ten years (I'm 27 now), my taste in music has gotten exponentially heavier, while most of the bands I follow have mellowed. At the same time, I've become more interested in "intricate" music, while the bands I like have stripped down to simpler, more basic sounds. That's why the next DT album is so important to me. If I hear an album full of catchy, radio-friendly dreck, I'm apt to go postal. :) I mean, I've listened to Metropolis thousands of times, and I *still* can't completely follow the middle section. :)
Radio airplay means nothing to record companies, becuase they don't make any money off of it directly. Sure, they'll sell more CD'd, and more concert tickets because of the exposure, but hell, Metallica was selling out arenas before radio "disocvered" them. The only difference now is that there's more people in the crowd who don't know to do the "DIE!" chant in "Creeping Death". :)
So, do I want prog to be "successful"? Yes, I do, but I'd like it to be successful on it's own terms. And as someone who has seen it happen, I know that it *can* do it, if the powere-that-be will just give it the chance.
Maybe that's overly optimistic, but hell - you have to have dreams...
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Drain STH - "Horror Wrestling" ______________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 12:52:35 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: La Di Da .... Message-ID: <199707261652.MAA00285@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi :)
Did some more unsubbing and stuff today. We are at 1010 list members. I also want to apologize again to the AOL people. I basically unsubbed everyone from AOL and didn't notice til I was done. It really sucks that their mail systems sucks :)
I wanted to thank D-Man and Mosh for their efforts in getting that Mike character on to IRC for his nice little Q&A session. It was lots of fun and it was great getting info on the band (and Mike's techniques for increasing his arm strength ;) I also want to thank M-Bone and DE for their help :)
I was just readin the latest and greatest jam and want to mention a few things. First, PLEASE do not send chain letters of any kind to the mailing list. They just take up space and piss people off. I think the biggest thing you should think about when posting is what Mike said the other night. When asked who his favorite ytsejammer was, he just said "Anyone who talks about Dream Theater" Well, STRIVE to be Mike's favorite poster :)
That KorgX3 freak said something like: > the Wallflowers. Paul McCartney's son plays in it. It must be > cool.
Ummm, dumbass, Bob Dylan's son :) Learn some respect for the great Bob :)
Ernie said: > What do Bill Clinton and Kurt Cobain have in common? > They both have gore behind their backs.
That's twisted mannn :P
Wow, I'm impressed. I just read a whole jam and didn't read anything stupid. Is that really possible? :) Well, guys (and girls) keep up the good work. Its nice to be able to read a jam and actually enjoy it :)
Later! Skadz Ytsejam Moderator skadz@dreamt.org
PS - I know a few people have sent me requests for back issues of the jam. I'm way behind on my email, but I will try and get them out in the next few days.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 13:22:48 EDT From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Death to all! Message-ID: <19970619.064042.6935.0.george.farber@juno.com>
In YTSEJAM digest 2782, Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>Hey, anybody noticed that the 'jam rate has slacked off? I guess we >need >more FUCK YOU's and DIE's to keep it up (not that I'm asking for it.) >:)
perhaps you were?
FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOU!!!
DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!!
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