YTSEJAM Digest 2809
Today's Topics:
1) Savatage
by gra@provida.no
2) Apocalyptica, Spock's Beard
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
3) Zappa, Fabio, tightness
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
4) apoca live / cool dads
by "Tanya Sorsa" <tenze@hotmail.com>
5) It bites
by Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind)
6) Apocalyptica
by Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
7) Re: Stuff...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
8) it only took me two years......
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
9) Re: Savatage
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) It Bites, etc.
by BillB67@ix.netcom.com
11) Re: Another Day in Malaysia
by John Murphey <murphey@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
12) Misc.
by ttolkki@freenet.hut.fi (Timo Tolkki)
13) Re: Misc.
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) LadyDragon visiting SanFran
by DragonVox@aol.com
15) A TV show not to miss
by "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:00:17 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <412564E5.002D782C.00@oslo1.provida.no>
The word Savatage brings back old memories. I think I had an album
of Savatage some 6 || 7 yrs ago. I remember them as a piano playing
heavy ballade group. The album cover (as I recall) had this picture of a
dude
playing the piano inside a mansion. The words "Gutter Ballet" sweeps my
mind ....
Anyway, as I didn't care much for it, I sold the album to a friend for 50
NOK (7 USD).
I would kindda like to give them a second chance, so if any of you guys
have a
mp3 from that album (or another "kick ass" album), you know where to mail
it .....
Some DTC:
What's all the fuzz about the "Lie" single ?? Isn't it the same "Lie" as
the one on Awake ???
Is it just a "must have" for DT fans ???
I look forward to the new DT CD, but if the skip Norway in their tour plans
.......
Well, then I guess I'll have to book'em myself. Yeah that's what I'll do.
They can
come over to my place to do a gig, that would really rule. And I could
like schred along
with JP (I bet I'll schred him to kingdom come, or wuz it he who would...
Ah, never mind. )
Hey, Alexander, (the other norweigian DT fan) you can join us !!!
"You can't afford booking DT" I hear you think. But DT, 'cause of the
skipping Norway thing,
will do it for free. They won't let down a DT fan, would they ???
Mike P, John P and the rest of DT, if you read this, remeber Oslo, Norway
!!!
-.profile
[Now playing: Spice Girls: Mama, over and over and over and ... (It kicks
DT right outta their seat)]
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:05:42 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Apocalyptica, Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <19970731070340.AAA21758@sni.pananet.com>
> Well, I agree with you. I only wished they'd put "Orion", "When
> Hell Freezes Over" and "To Live is To Die". BTW, it would be a *REALLY*
> loveable idea if they put out "Apocalyptica plays Metallica pt. II".
>
yeah, that would be cool, but you know what a always thought we better? A
string quartet playing Metallica. You already heard how heavy a cello can
be...imagine it being doubled by a double bass...oooooooh. And then the
violin can handle all the leads.
and just for the sake of sharing an experience, i saw these guys live once,
and for those who haven't figured it out yet, the reason they sound so
heavy is because they play them cellos HARD. (It doen't come out so well on
the CD). Anyhoo, since they were so agressive while playing, they broke 2
strings during the night, and one of those strings broke during 'Creeping
Death' and it happened to the guy that was playing the leads, and on the
first string. Luckily he had already played the solo, BUT he still had to
do that fill b4 they go into the 3rd verse..so what does he do? Make noise
of course:) And then there's that part at the end where the guitar does
some triplet-pulloffs. Not having a first string anymore, he played that on
the 2nd string, which is the equivalent of playing the guitar at the bridge
pickup...it came out a little sloppy, but he did it, and everybody
cheered...greatest save i've ever seen.
> P.S.: What if there existed one "Apocalyptica" like album covering songs
> written by Dream Theater??? Humm... Just an insane thought... :-)
>
you'd need a whole orchestra to do that:)
> Anyone know where I might find an MP3 or two of these guys. The only
sound
> clip I heard made me think . o (Suck Leg) but I dunno. The clip I heard
> was the equivalent to introducing someone to Dream Theater by showing
them
> the instrumental part of Metropolis. It's really great playing but
waaaay
> fucked up. Any info would be much gratifico or something.
>
you definitely got the wrong impression from that sound file, because SB is
like the perfect blend of prog and pop. Catchy and musically stimulating:)
> Hello jammers...That's it! I can't find it anywhere!!! ARGGG. I've
> searched everywhere for that damn Lie single and I can't get it.
welcome to the club
D DT/ST T: it'd be pretty cool to have a logic-proof shell, because it
would keep those pesky Vulcans away.
fading away like a sigh,
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:30:07 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Zappa, Fabio, tightness
Message-ID: <19970731073324.AAA22135@sni.pananet.com>
> What would be a good starter CD of Zappa's stuff?
>
I'd guess it'd be best to start with 'Strictly Commercial' which a sorta
'greatest hits' thing, because he put out sooooooooooooooooooooo much
material. Over 60 albums if I'm not mistaken. Other than that I recommend
'You are what you is', or 'Sheik Yerbouti'. And if you're a Steve Vai fan,
you should get 'Them or Us' which has the song 'Stevie's Spanking'
yes, it's about Vai....and very funny.
"His name is Stevie Vai, and he's a crazy guy...."
"It's not that he requires grooming,
guys with light blue hair, never dooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..."
> the popular people were Meatloaf, Bryan Adams, Duran Duran, and that
> ugly guy that kinda looks like Fabio and overdramatizes every song he
> sings.
>
Hey James LaBrie is NOT ugly, and if you say he 'overdamatrizes' you must
have something stuck up yer....
or were you referring to Michael Bolton?
:P
> -the band was tighter than a fist in a baby's ass.
good analogy
baaaaaaaad mental image
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 02:42:45 PDT
From: "Tanya Sorsa" <tenze@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: apoca live / cool dads
Message-ID: <199707310942.CAA27387@f73.hotmail.com>
ai karampaa, you jammed up ppl!
APOCALYPTICA. Genious work. You really appreciate the band when you get
to see them live. The sound is different than on CD, where it sometimes
feels a bit "cold". I saw them last December, in a club of 400 people.
All the four guys were dressed in black (MIB?), some in suits even, and
wore black shades & black gloves. They sat up on the stage with their
cellos, and took bows after each song like real professional cello
players (well, these guys are professional). First I laughed at it but
then realized how cool it all was. They moshed while playing and I was
thinking "doesn't that hair get tangled in the strings?" ;)
I like the old 'tallica stuff better too, wish they'd play more of them.
The crowd consisted of all types of people from older non-metal ppl to
young kids who hadn't even been born when Kill'em All hit the stores.
The singing was really loud and got me all goosebumped. The "black"
songs were received better of course thanks to the youngster dominated
crowd. All in all a bit breathtakin' experience. Excellent! *wayne
voice*
-- Talking about kewl dads. I guess I should consider myself lucky as my pops is a huge Metallica fan. Having grown up to the likes of Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, it's easy for him to get into the "basic" metal of 'tallica. There is no chance to get him into more proge stuff, sadly. My mom listens to them, too, altho her faves are AC/DC & Bruce Springsteen. BUT 4-5 hours in the car listening to Metallica when you're NOT in the mood can be as damaging as opera or Finnish tango stuff... Bleah. :)ohkay, work begs...
Tenze (eek, first post trauma!)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:28:32 +0200 From: Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: It bites Message-ID: <msg41.thr-a12.4c55fd@kunskapskretsen.se>
At the bottom of Jay Omega's post I noticed he mentioned It Bites. I don't know how many Jammers have heard of these guys (or the Singer/Guitarist Francis (sometimes Frank) Dunnery) but you should definitely check them out. Unfortunately they've now split up but they had the grace to leave us with three studio albums and a double live one. They're style is progressive rock with slightly poppy overtones. Every musician (four piece, guitar, bass, drums and keys) is the dogs bollocks (that's good in England). Their best Album (IMHO) is "Once Around The World".
I agree with you 100%. It Bites rules!! I really got a kick the first time i´ve heard them. The rythm section are really tight and plays lot of cool stuff.
//Mangan http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-48707
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:14:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Apocalyptica Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970731141013.29659A-100000@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> has anyone purchased this cd... apocalyptica.. its some acclaimed > celloists playing metallica songs.. ive read very good reviews about it
I haven't bought the CD, nor have I heard them play, but there have been some gigs here and I've heard mixed reviews. Most of them praise Apocalyptica to death, some of them say it's pointless.
The band itself consists of 4 classically trained cello players, so I think it's at least interesting, if not pleasing to your ears.
Raitz
"You hear a distant mumble In this thicket of boners Monkeyspank is meant for loners."
BKn Unltd.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:24:50 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Stuff... Message-ID: <33E08411.F3399D09@algonet.se>
> From: vancer1@juno.com > > You may be a poser if you go to a guitar shop, pick up a new guitar and > then play the opening riff of [insert Nirvana song here]. > huh huh huh...insert... anywayz, what's the difference between playing the opening riff of a nirvana songs and playing the whole song? ---- > From: Scott Fuller <spacedye@rocketmail.com> > > I recently found a copy of a Dream Theater MP3 file: > > Yes Medley (Dream Theater w/Steve Howe) Machine Messiah/Heart of the Sunrise/ > Close to the Edge/Siberian Khatru/Würm (instrumental; 31 Jan. 1995) > > If anyone would like the file, I can E-mail it to you. > wouldn't it make you work less if you would tell them where you found the MP3? ---- > From: Hein Vandenabeele > > Lars Ulrich of Metallica was a huge NWOBHM fan and he made a double (?) > compilation CD with only NWOBHM songs... Must be very interesting. > never heard of it, and I doubt it exists...unless you mean garage days re-revisited, but I wouldn't call the misfits a NWOBHM band... ---- > From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> > > Subject: apocalyptica > this thread belonged on the metallica ng...but oh well... ---- > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > > I have only two words to describe this cd: f*cking incredible. And I usually don't > use that type of words. :-) > y*ah, m*mmy w*n't li*e i*... ---- > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > > BTW, it would be a *REALLY* loveable idea if they put out "Apocalyptica > plays Metallica pt. II". > I think it would be better if they will start writing stuff by themselves... > > P.S.: What if there existed one "Apocalyptica" like album covering songs > written by Dream Theater??? Humm... Just an insane thought... :-) > It would be better to have DT songs orchestrated...now that would be interesting... ---- > From: Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org> > > I never knew cellos could sound so heavy!! > never listened to classical music, huh? ---- > From: EricD91011@aol.com > > I noticed the lastest standings for the survey on other bands besides DT and > was shocked not to see Spock's Beard mentioned anywhere. > hey, half of my list is not mentioned anywhere, you don't see me bitch about it... ---- > From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) > > Subject: New stuff I got > [X3] just FYI, posting the same thing three times doesn't make it more effective... (sorry, I just had to say it) ---- > From: "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net> > > Subject: Dream Theater CDs 4 Sale > > 2.Uncovered-Live at Ronnie Scotts 1/31/95-(2 cds)-$45.00 > I bought it for around $30 in Sweden (i.e., 25% tax) > 3.Another Uncovered-Live at Phillipsdalle,Dusseldorf,Germany 2/11/95-$27.00 > just wondering...what makes this show another uncovered? I saw the setlist somewhere and it was just 2-3 covers... ----
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: it only took me two years...... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970731102915.10036A-100000@stargate.rs.itd.umich.edu>
am i the only one who's had Fates Warning's Parallels for over two years and hadn't noticed that the album opens and closes with a variation of the same words?
Leave the past behind: And here we are again/the door is closed behind us/and the long road lies ahead
The road goes on forever: And here we are again/the doors close behind us/ And the road goes on and on......
Man, I fell dumb for not noticing this for so long......just sitting at work today, Parallels in the computer, got it on repeat and all of a sudden, I'm thinking, wait, I just heard this phrase 15 seconds ago (or whatever time)........and it hit me......that moment of discovery is so cool!
anywayz, whoever posted what set list for Fates shows would be much thanked by myself (and my itchy delete finger which chucked the pertinent Jam) if he or she were to send me a copy (ahtrap@umich.edu), so I can start figuring out which songs i need to memorize in the next two weeks.........
partha
there's never time to say/all the things we need to say when it's too late/we can only say goodbye...... jim matheos
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:02:31 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Savatage Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970731120046.25421A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 gra@provida.no wrote:
> Some DTC: > What's all the fuzz about the "Lie" single ?? Isn't it the same "Lie" as > the one on Awake ??? > Is it just a "must have" for DT fans ???
It's a DTDT, right? :-) Or if you're serious, you should check the tracklist of the CD...
[]s insanely waiting for the new DT, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:31:03 -0500 (CDT) From: BillB67@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: It Bites, etc. Message-ID: <1997731103349541@ix.netcom.com>
Greetings, fellow Ytsejammers!
(I'm a bit new to this forum, so if I breach protocol, please be kind...)
I was a bit surprised to her It Bites mentioned here recently, I thought I was about the only one who knew about these guys. I would definitely recommend either "Eat Me in St. Louis" or "Once Around The World" to anyone unfamiliar with this band.
Secondly, I would like to thank all you 'jammers out there for turning me on to some really good stuff recently, that I may not taken a chance on if it was not for the glowing reviews I read here (specifically Tool-AEnima and Spock's Beard-Beware of Darkness). This makes me wonder: what else am I missing out on? I know that is a pretty open-ended question, so how about this... What is the best disc out there that nobody seems to know about?
(My suggestion to others along these lines would be Magellan-Test of Wills, btw)
Keep on 'jammin' 8^) Tazzman
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:52:58 -0500 From: John Murphey <murphey@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Another Day in Malaysia Message-ID: <33E0B4DA.2593@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>> the popular people were Meatloaf, Bryan Adams, Duran Duran, and that >> ugly guy that kinda looks like Fabio and overdramatizes every song he >> sings. > >..Micheal Bolton? > >~Eckie doubts his guess...Bolton doesn't look too much like Fabio > Yeah, that is him ... maybe I should have said "an ugly guy that looks like and ugly version of Fabio..."
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:35:56 +0300 (EET DST) From: ttolkki@freenet.hut.fi (Timo Tolkki) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Misc. Message-ID: <199707311635.TAA19196@openet.freenet.hut.fi>
/me switches to delurk mode...
Thishshs ishsh opshhseven shssheven shsheven, I am friend of Timo Tolkki of Shshhstratovariusshshhs :) (some #ytsejammers might know where that comes from :) My thoughts of some recent topics...
THOUGHT INDUSTRY Got Songs For Insects for $1 (new cassette, thnx for the tip Mape!) Really weird stuph.... somoe parts remind me of Believer.... also bought Freaks Of Nature:Gahtering Of Freaks and Minfunkd:Dropped Don't care THAT much about Funk-metal but with price like THAT...
KANSAS
Oh... one of my favourite bands.... I have a live album recorded in Philadelphia 1989 anyone else got it? /me thinx it is somekind of bootleg...
COOL FOLX My gf's mom likes Stratovarius, Megadeth, Sepultura.... (well... my mom likes SDV.. caught her humming it once :)
lli-Pekka Komonen, member of SOA staff, member of Ristilinen wm-underground tuff, Vocalist in BalisDed, friend of Timo Tolkki :P
pk@hlti.fi;ttolkki@freenet.hut.fi;http://www.hlti.fi/~opk/me/
What's in my NEW (got it yesterdie :) 6-CD changer....
1.DT - Awake (Of course) 2.DT - I & W (Of course) 3.Stratovarius:Kiss Of Judas EP 4.Sancnity:DEW (Finland's Queensryche, anyone know them?) 5.J.S. Bach Bradenburg concertos 4,5 & 6 6.Pekka Pohjola:Pihkasilma Kaarnakorva/Harakka Bialoiboikku (awesome fusion from Finland's premiere rock/jazz/fusion/prog bassist)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Misc. Message-ID: <199707311816.OAA16231@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > > /me switches to delurk mode... > > Thishshs ishsh opshhseven shssheven shsheven, I am friend of Timo Tolkki > of Shshhstratovariusshshhs :) (some #ytsejammers might know where that > comes from :)
i dunno what with this really means, but it sounds like a Sean Connery impression...........
"I'll take ssssssshhhhhhhaaaawwwwdssshshh for 200, Alexxxssssshhh"
-Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:39:21 -0400 (EDT) From: DragonVox@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LadyDragon visiting SanFran Message-ID: <970731153919_-723966124@emout11.mail.aol.com>
If there are any Bay area jammers who know of anything interesting going on between August 7 and August 14 ( or who just want to hang out) I'll be in the area for that week ( including my Birthday) on my first non tragedy induced vacation ever lol -LadyDragon PS....If anyone wants to help me hand out flyers for the Fates show..I've got millions. See some of you on Wednesday ( look for the orange hair ;) yeah...i did it again)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:42:43 -0400 From: "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A TV show not to miss Message-ID: <199707312045.NAA07250@odin.ax.com>
I just heard on the radio that tonight's episode of "Politically Incorrect" features Marilyn Manson, G. Gordon Liddy, and Florence Henderson. I may have to tape this one!
- Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
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