YTSEJAM digest 2807

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Wed Jul 30 1997 - 21:12:57 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2807

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: apocalyptica
     by Bill Nottingham <wen2@po.cwru.edu>
      2) Queensryche Set List & Darien Lake Show
     by MTeiper@aol.com
      3) Savatage/Fantasy Football
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
      4) Savatage, Apocalyptica
     by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
      5) Re: Savatage, Apocalyptica
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
      6) DTDT for the day...
     by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
      7) Re: apocalyptica
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
      8) RE: apocalyptica
     by Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
      9) Savatage, Ytse Survey, S|lverch@|r
     by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
     10) Progressive and death - a yummy combination?
     by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
     11) disappointed in the survey
     by EricD91011@aol.com
     12) Re: Savatage, Ytse Survey, S|lverch@|r
     by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
     13) Spock's
     by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
     14) A plea for TLF
     by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:06:06 -0400
    From: Bill Nottingham <wen2@po.cwru.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: apocalyptica
    Message-ID: <19970730150606.15876@b62772.cwru.edu>

    Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> wrote:
    > has anyone purchased this cd... apocalyptica.. its some acclaimed
    > celloists playing metallica songs.. ive read very good reviews about it
    > and im very interested in it.. does anyone haveit.. that can send me a
    > wav or something??

    I've got it - it's pretty cool, although they picked too many songs
    from the black album. :P

    For sound samples, check:
    http://www.addict.com/html/hifi/Reviews/44.1kHz/Apocalyptica/Apocalyptica_Plays_Metallica.html

    Bill

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:10:57 -0400 (EDT)
    From: MTeiper@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Queensryche Set List & Darien Lake Show
    Message-ID: <970730151049_-1340743834@emout17.mail.aol.com>

    Howdy -

    I went searching through www.scream.org for the Ryche set list prior to
    Geoff's ailment. I know there was a request for it by someone, too. BTW, I
    found a list on the page that is really close to what I saw the band perform
    at Darien Lake last night. Here you go, in case anyone cares:

    http://www.scream.org/mag/Setlist.1997

    Last night's show was incredible. Knowing what I did about the general
    makeup of their set list, I was preparing myself for a disappointment. I
    walked away pleasantly surprised. The band, predictably, did not play Take
    Hold Of the Flame, but they did play "I Don't Believe In Love" (I think I
    read how they dropped that one, too, following Geoff's cold). They even
    touched Rage For Order - acoustic "Killing Words"!!! I was VERY happy...
    they also did Della Brown, which was a bit of a surprise. Absent was "Get a
    Life" (THANK GOD!) and "Bridge" (I was shocked!). All in all, it was a great
    show. The band sounded great and Geoff was dead-on perfect the whole night.
     Even the newer songs sounded great! The Voice Inside, You, Reach, Sign Of
    the Times, and Some People Fly were the only nw ones they pulled out. I
    actually have a newfound appreciation for the newer material now that I've
    heard them in a live setting.

    Anyway, I'm still basking in the post-concert afterglow. I also think I saw
    a Jammer one row ahead of me in Section 101, Row 6. Sorry, dude, I never got
    a chance to say hi. I had a Home For the Holidays shirt on. I think you had
    a Jammer sweatshirt on. Ah, well. Gotta run. Ryche Rulez!!!

    - Matt T.

    Now Playing: Queensryche "Hear In the Now Frontier"

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:24:58 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Savatage/Fantasy Football
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970730151903.5722H-100000@bdmserver>

    John Case wrote:
    >SAVATAGE:
    >
    >How many of you agree that Dead Winter Dead is a true masterpiece, both
    >lyrically and musically?
    >A Handful of Rain is awesome as well. Therefore does anyone have other
    >Savatage recommendations for me if I REALLY like the above two CDs?
    >I'm terribly impressed with these 2 CDs by Savatage...

    If you liked those two that much then I would suggest getting Edge Of
    Thorns. EOT was the first of the Zack Stevens era on vocals. Great Disc
    as well. I have trouble ranking EOT, HOR, and DWD. They are all great!

    Mike wrote:
    >OK, first off - let's have some more participation here! We have a big
    >FOUR people in the Ytsejam Fantasy Football League at ESPN's Sportzone.
    >We need ten, I believe, to keep it in the family. There have to be six
    >more people on this list that are interested...

    I know. What a bunch of slackers... Over 800 people on the list and only
    3+brother are into fantasy football? Come on jammers. Join up. If you
    have never played before it is easy and it is a lot of fun. Gets you
    interested in every game every weekend. I know there are a lot of sports
    fans on here so join up! Go to espn.com and hit the fantasy football link.

    What happened to Jason Hartman? He was the one who mentioned FF and got
    the ball rolling...

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
    | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
    |=======================================================================|
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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    Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 19:16:28 -0300
    From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Savatage, Apocalyptica
    Message-ID: <33DBC8BC.E6131A5D@geocities.com>

    This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.

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    Hi there jammanoids,

    ------------------
    > From: Jonathan Case <jcase@NEWTON.METR.uoknor.edu>
    > Subject: Various stuph about groups
    > SAVATAGE:
    > How many of you agree that Dead Winter Dead is a true masterpiece,
    > both
    > lyrically and musically?
    > A Handful of Rain is awesome as well. Therefore does anyone have
    > other
    > Savatage recommendations for me if I REALLY like the above two CDs?
    > I'm terribly impressed with these 2 CDs by Savatage...
    -------------------

            And I thought I was the only one to love that CD (DWD). =)
            If you liked it, you should check "Streets", another rock opera, which
    is awesome too. And other cool album I have is "Edge of Thorns", great
    stuff too.
            Liking DWD, maybe you could wait till next xmas and get the
    Trans-Siberian Orchestra album, which contains "Sarajevo 12/24" and
    other songs... (BTW, I hafta get that one for me...)

    > ------------------------------
    > From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
    > Subject: apocalyptica

    > has anyone purchased this cd... apocalyptica.. its some acclaimed
    > celloists playing metallica songs.. ive read very good reviews about
    > it
    > and im very interested in it.. does anyone haveit.. that can send me a
    > wav or something??
    >-------------------------------

            I've heard it, and it's pretty interesting... Very nice album (their
    version of "Master of Puppets" is very cool). Maybe you can hear some
    part in RealAudio at CD Univers (www.cduniverse.com), but I'm not
    sure... Anyway, you can find the CD easily over the Internet. 

    -- 
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|*             Marcelo Vanzin                 *|
|*          vanzin@geocities.com              *|
|* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *|
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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:41:27 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Savatage, Apocalyptica
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970730173430.15264A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>

    On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:

    > > From: Jonathan Case <jcase@NEWTON.METR.uoknor.edu>
> > Subject: Various stuph about groups
> > SAVATAGE:
> > How many of you agree that Dead Winter Dead is a true masterpiece,
> > both
> > lyrically and musically?
> > A Handful of Rain is awesome as well.  Therefore does anyone have
> > other
> > Savatage recommendations for me if I REALLY like the above two CDs?
> > I'm terribly impressed with these 2 CDs by Savatage...
> -------------------
> 
> 	And I thought I was the only one to love that CD (DWD). =)
> 	If you liked it, you should check "Streets", another rock opera, which
> is awesome too. And other cool album I have is "Edge of Thorns", great
> stuff too.

    	Well, if this is the CD you brought here at home, then I think
that it was more interesting than "Streets". Or is that another one??
Well, maybe I have preferred that one (the one with some forest I think on
the sleeve -- am I dreaming??) because maybe "Streets" is harder to get
into, you know... It is longer...

    > > ------------------------------
> > From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
> > Subject: apocalyptica
> 
> > has anyone purchased this cd... apocalyptica.. its some acclaimed
> > celloists playing metallica songs.. ive read very good reviews about it
> > and im very interested in it.. does anyone haveit.. that can send me a
> > wav or something??
> >-------------------------------
> 
> 	I've heard it, and it's pretty interesting... Very nice album (their
> version of "Master of Puppets" is very cool). Maybe you can hear some

    	I have only two words to describe this cd: f*cking incredible. And
I usually don't use that type of words. :-)

    	Yes, the middle section of "Master of Puppets" seems like it was 
written by some barroque composer. IMO, the best songs are the older ones,
but the ending part of "The Unforgiven" is also very nice. You can really
appreciate Metallica's work with this CD if you are not into thrash.

    > part in RealAudio at CD Univers (www.cduniverse.com), but I'm not
> sure... Anyway, you can find the CD easily over the Internet.

    	Well, I'm thinking of putting some sounclips on my homepage
(longer than those you find at CD Universe, CD Now etc.). I have many
plans to improve my homepage, but I'm have a severe lack of time... :-)

    	See ya, Roger...

    --
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  Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 13:37:54 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTDT for the day...
Message-ID: <9706308702.AA870295391@CCGATE.HAC.COM>

    Did you ever wonder what John Petrucci was thinking about when he wrote the 
lyrics to Metropolis?  I mean, to me, dancing turtles don't even sound menacing,
let alone deadly...

    "Death is the first dancing turtle..."

    ~Mike

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:45:26 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: apocalyptica
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970730174143.15264B-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>

    On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Bill Nottingham wrote:

    > Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> wrote:
> > has anyone purchased this cd... apocalyptica.. its some acclaimed
> > celloists playing metallica songs.. ive read very good reviews about it
> > and im very interested in it.. does anyone haveit.. that can send me a
> > wav or something??
> 
> I've got it - it's pretty cool, although they picked too many songs
> from the black album. :P

    	Well, I agree with you. I only wished they'd put "Orion", "When
Hell Freezes Over" and "To Live is To Die". BTW, it would be a *REALLY*
loveable idea if they put out "Apocalyptica plays Metallica pt. II".

    	[]s hoping for another cover album, Roger...

    P.S.: What if there existed one "Apocalyptica" like album covering songs
written by Dream Theater??? Humm... Just an insane thought... :-)
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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:00:14 -0500
From: Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: apocalyptica
Message-ID: <01BC9D12.7A708D60@pm3-12.macatawa.org>

    Carlos wrote:

    [   has anyone purchased this cd... apocalyptica.. its some acclaimed
[   celloists playing metallica songs.. ive read very good reviews about =
it
[   and im very interested in it.. does anyone haveit.. that can send me =
a
[   wav or something??

    I just bought this CD, and it kicks serious ass!!  There's nothing like =
hearing creeping death played by cellos.  :P   I never knew cellos could =
sound so heavy!!  E-mail me if you're interested.

    Beth Elzinga

    --------- Melody walks in the door ----------
----- And memory flies out the window ----
---- And nobody knows what they want ----
-------- Till they finally let it all go.---------

    Dream Theater
lyrics by Kevin Moore for "6:00"

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:32:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage, Ytse Survey, S|lverch@|r
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970730171704.12984A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

    > From: Jonathan Case <jcase@NEWTON.METR.uoknor.edu>
>
> SAVATAGE: 
> How many of you agree that Dead Winter Dead is a true masterpiece, both 
> lyrically and musically?  

    Me Me Me!

    > A Handful of Rain is awesome as well.  Therefore does anyone have other 
> Savatage recommendations for me if I REALLY like the above two CDs?  
> I'm terribly impressed with these 2 CDs by Savatage...

    Well, IMnsHO, the other Savatage discs you should get, in order:

    Trans Siberian Orchestra: Xmas Eve & Other Stories
Savatage: Edge of Thorns
   ""   : Streets
   ""   : Gutter Ballet
   ""   : Hall of the Mountain King

    And, of course, their new one should be similar to DWD, from the
previews I've heard.

    Stop when you hit a disc you don't like; they just keep getting further
from the DWD sound as you go.  (Actually, the 'DWD sound' is only on
the two you have, plus TSO.)  If you like all of the above, you might
want to buy the rest of the early stuff, but it all sounds pretty
similar.  (Boo!  Jay just dissed the 'tage! :)

    ------

    > From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
>
> Other bands/artists making the 'honorable mention' list (14 entries or
> more -- in no particular order): Tori Amos, Helloween, Lemur Voice, 
> Marillion, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Shadow Gallery,
> Stratovarius, and Superior.

    No particular order?

    Looks alphabetical to me. :)

    ------

    > From: caber1@concentric.net
>
> Maybe the new DT sounds like Silverchair...
> ;-)

    'Twould be interesting to sit the boys down somewhere, and
make them play insipid grunge tunes for a while.  See how
much 4/4, 3-chord rock it takes before one of them just
goes ape shit and breaks into a huge solo in 13/8 time with
a key change every two measures...

    --Jay "which one would give in first?" Omega
--NP: It Bites - Eat me in St. Louis

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:25:58 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Progressive and death - a yummy combination?
Message-ID: <33DF8736.4E06@sprynet.com>

    The recent subject of whether death metal and progressive metal blend
well brings me to Cea Serin. 

    Although I'm not really supposed to reveal much about this until it is
complete, I will say that I have had a chance to see the vocals being
recording and this is going to be some interesting stuff. Cea Serin is
the product of Jay Lamm, bassist for the progressive metal band Ashen
Dawn. Cea Serin is some HIGHLY original music that mixes progressive
metal with a dosage of death metal and a lot of black metal influence
too. It sometimes has clean vocals, sometimes growly, sometimes death,
sometimes black metal shrieks. VERY interesting stuff and I'm not just
saying that because I know Jay. This stuff kicks serious snarg. 

    Jay has begun a website where you can learn more about Cea Serin and
Ashen Dawn:
http://members.aol.com/CeaSerin/CeaSerin.html

    Check it out. It's far from being complete but I think it's something to
look forward to in the future.

    Later
Phillip
Cool Cd of the Day: Sentenced "Down"

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: EricD91011@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: disappointed in the survey
Message-ID: <970730192856_1049869408@emout18.mail.aol.com>

    I noticed the lastest standings for the survey on other bands besides DT and
was shocked not to see Spock's Beard mentioned anywhere.  For those that
don't have The Light and Beward of Darkness you are missing the two best Cd's
since Awake.  "Beware" is amazing and a must for anyone prog fan let alone DT
fan.  Just had to comment on this misjustice so to speak because I don't care
that much but you know how it goes.  Take the time.

    -Eric

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:35:00 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Savatage, Ytse Survey, S|lverch@|r
Message-ID: <199707302340.QAA28421@odin.ax.com>

    >Stop when you hit a disc you don't like; they just keep getting further
>from the DWD sound as you go.

    That's an especially good idea, especially if you fear shrieking.  Jon was
a shrieker.  I did like the tracks he grunted on DWD though.  Shrieking
sucks.

    Anyway.  I just got Enchant's Time Lost in the mail today.  (Thanks to Rick
A. for giving me the name of the place to order it from).  Anyone who wants
it visit http://www.musicexpress.com/  They're a real good place.  I got my
CD in about 2 weeks.  It did cost $30 though.  International shipping costs
suck leg.  

    Anyway, what I've heard of it so far kicks ass.  Much like stuff from
Wounded, but that's because these first four were recorded during the
Wounded sessions.  I haven't got to hear the earlier stuff yet. :)  If you
like Enchant.  Order this, or wait until the my website goes up, cuz I'll
start a weekly MP3 thingy so's ya'all can download them.  CD quality even.
:)  I'll only be able to put one or two at a time (space permitting).
Overall play time is 53 min.

    Anyway, party on!
            KorgX3
            KorgX3@cyberhighway.net

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:39:02 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Spock's
Message-ID: <199707302344.QAA28449@odin.ax.com>

    >I noticed the lastest standings for the survey on other bands besides DT
and
>was shocked not to see Spock's Beard mentioned anywhere.

    Anyone know where I might find an MP3 or two of these guys.  The only sound
clip I heard made me think . o (Suck Leg) but I dunno.  The clip I heard
was the equivalent to introducing someone to Dream Theater by showing them
the instrumental part of Metropolis.  It's really great playing but waaaay
fucked up.  Any info would be much gratifico or something.

    Later!
            KorgX3
            KorgX3@cyberhighway.net

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:53:30 -0400
From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A plea for TLF
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970730205330.007a93a0@nh.ultranet.com>

    Hello jammers...That's it!  I can't find it anywhere!!!  ARGGG.  I've
searched everywhere for that damn Lie single and I can't get it.  Does
ANYONE know where they can get it, or have access to a cd to sell to me.
I've looked high and low but to no avail!  Please email me with hope!!  :)
Tony

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