YTSEJAM Digest 2608
Today's Topics:
1) Integrity
by "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
2) My Contribution to the KJLB Discussion
by Coop42@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2606
by GnRBrks@aol.com
4) The Elements...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
5) Conjugation (Definitely No DTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
6) The Allanis Controversy
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
7) FS: QR "Promised Land" 2CD-ROM
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
8) Re: New Releases (No DTC)
by Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
9) Drummer joke -- NDTC
by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
10) Re: New Releases (No DTC)
by Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
11) Concerns addressed!! :)
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions"
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
13) Re: Mike Bahr's new system
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
14) Let's trade...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
15) Re:
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:54:57 -0400
From: "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Integrity
Message-ID: <199706032159.OAA18247@odin.ax.com>
I have a DT bootleg entitled "Integrity". The song is basically a little
keyboard/guitar thingy that's pretty mellow, then builds up quite
majestically(I said majestically.) Anyway, I saw DT on Jones Beach in Long
Island in 93-94(?) in a club called "The Malibu", and I could've swore
they were fiddling around with this song there-a la "Mirror"
fiddlings(jams) that go right into "Take the Time", found pre-Awake. Will
this be our next jam gone song..let's hope 'cause it was pretty cool.
BTW, I was about 5 feet from J. LaBrie and I was talking to a girl who had
backstage pix of all the guys-supposedly she was backstage alot...ahem.....
Keep jammin' all you prog freaks,
Freakboy
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:06:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Coop42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Contribution to the KJLB Discussion
Message-ID: <970603180500_-430190923@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Hey!
In the latest issue of German Rock Hard Magazine James is quoted as having
said that during the whole Awake tour and the ACOS recordings he had serious
health problems with his vocal cords and that he was therefore only able to
use about half of his vocal power. So if you feel the need to criticize his
singing abilities, please talk about the more recent shows. When I saw DT in
Bonn in April, his voice sounded absolutely great to me...
Andreas Berger
Oh yeah, I also read in Metal Hammer that the working title for the new album
was NOT Lines in the Sand, but Mike didn't want to say what it actually was.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: GnRBrks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2606
Message-ID: <970603181346_-1732111438@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Anyone ever hear of a Dt import or live cd called "Home Sweet Home?"
I had a local importer get me anything he could get his hands on and this is
what he came up with. Just wondering if anyone had heard of it or not.I don't
remember anyone talking about it before.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:07:15 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Elements...
Message-ID: <199706032307.QAA13266@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
>Subject: The no-talent whore...aka "Go down on THIS in a theater, you bitch."
>
>> You should know better than this. I'm sure there's some amount of irony
>> here, but I'm not really seeing it. And, incidentally, I've seen and read a
>> number of interviews with her. And, despite her age, she comes across as
>> unusually intelligent, perhaps even exceptionally so. In a monosyllabic
>> world, Alanis Morrisette seems a "savant" without the "idiot."
>
>I'm not sure what you've read, but I've also seen interviews, and she
strikes >me as a complete moron trying to sound intelligent through
parroting of pop >angst bullshit...and her band is even stupider. They
couldn't have a coherent >thought if you handed it to them whole.
Hmmm...I've not heard from her band, particularly as they seem only to be a
touring outfit (I'm obviously NOT talking about Glen Ballard, Flea, or Dave
Navarro here, all of whom seem well-enough represented in the press), so I
certainly can't comment on that side of things.
I AM familiar enough with Alanis Morrissette to be comfortable questioning
where you looked to conclude that she's a "complete moron." And, like a lot
of folks, you seem very comfortable condemning her for the sexual content of
her lyrics, which I've got no beef with, provided that you'll point the same
finger at Mick Jagger. I actually DON'T think she's a "no-talent whore,"
but rather, a singer without as much refinement as one might like, but with
an emotive delivery and the ability to carry a tune. If nothing else, I
feel immediate legitimacy upon hearing her tunes. I don't think she's
"parroting pop angst," though she certainly DOES seem to be mining that part
of the musical spectrum. In any event, I don't think there's anyone else
who's doing precisely what she is at this point (her prefab dance releases
I'm not going to concern myself with). She's not Tori Amos or Tiffany or
Liz Phair or the Spice Girls, she's an artist singing fairly empassioned
music with dance and rock components. It's a little like Jamiroquai -- they
can certainly PLAY, but they're playing some very dance-y stuff that ISN'T
necessarily going to appeal to a traditional prog fan.
Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Test For Echo
2. Alanis Morrissette: Jagged Little Pill (I'm an ornery SOB)
3. Metallica: Ride The Lightning
4. Mr. Big: Bump Ahead
5. Lemur Voice: Insights
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:13:35 -0700
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: adamb@cfmc.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Conjugation (Definitely No DTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970604021335.0068ad2c@pop.pipeline.com>
Adam wrote:
>
>By my reckoning, they'd be called "Mexicans." Just curious how you're
>conjugating "Mexico" to "Americans."
Aha. Re-reading the original post by mamalookireadyourpostwrong:
>If when the maps were drawn up that all the countries in
>Europe were known at States, then yes, French, Italians, et al would all
>be known as Europeans.
I see that he meant if Europe were a large country, and present-day
France, etc. were no more than states within this country, then they would
all be known as Europeans. Yeah. I can buy that. I thought he meant that if
all the countries were *composed* of states *then* they would be known as
Europeans. That typo he had <at states> is what threw me off. I apologize
to Scott on that one. Argh. Long day. But what if Mexico were known as
"The United Mexican States of America??" Would they be Mexicans or Americans?
It would be redundant to call the USA "The United American States of America."
Ah, who cares anymore?
"Argh! Foiled by the Jug-Handle!" - Commander of the Mike Bahr Hostage
Release Team
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:24:23 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Allanis Controversy
Message-ID: <3394A7A7.52C3@nh.ultranet.com>
Just to finish off the discussion of Alanis on the jam...
My personal opinion of her is that she is talented, and does have a
good voice. Her only problem is the marketing that the record company
did of her. It ruined her music. They released every single song on
the album as a single. That is why I don't like Alanis. She really is
good, and she doesn't realize that it's the money talking. I hope that
her next album sucks so I can buy it and not worry about hearing a song
off of it every 10 minutes on the radio.
Just my .02$ Lata, J
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:14:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FS: QR "Promised Land" 2CD-ROM
Message-ID: <v01520d00afba2bb3f03e@[207.90.116.162]>
I've got the 2-CDROM set from Queensryche for sale.
Disc one is Promised land stuff and videos and getting stuff from the "cabin."
Disc two is the "Big Log" game, a la Myst.
Asking $35. It doesn't work too well on my 4M RAM Macinsuck...
$35, OBO.
Email me.
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:22:33 -0500
From: Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Releases (No DTC)
Message-ID: <3394C359.6D48@li.net>
> New Release
> Bruce Dickinson- Accident Of Birth (still have yet to purchase)...
well do not hesitate any longer...This album is great.
Bruce's vocals are as good as they always were.
and the guitars have that Maidenish sound again (due to A.Smith)
I think this album is much better than his past solo efforts
If your into Maiden and Bruce, i would HIGHLY recommend this album.
i also picked up the new Faith No More. All i can say right now is....
Interesting......very interesting :)
this one is gonna take me a few listens to get into...Their style is varied
as ever. If your a fan of ALL their past stuff, then i would pick this
one up...but if you didn't care for their last one all that much, then
i would take a listen first.
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|\| So here I stand all alone...With chisel in hand I work my stone... |/|
|\| And leave a message for all to see...And contemplate mortality.. |/|
|\| - Savatage |/|
|\| Jim Lutz |/|
|\| Lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu YtseJim@DreamT.org |/|
|\| Metlhead@li.net YtseJim@HotMail.com |/|
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:24:48 -0400
From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Drummer joke -- NDTC
Message-ID: <01BC705C.44A075C0@bos-ip-2-12.ziplink.net>
Well, with all the jokes being posted in here, thought I would put one =
that I heard this summer at camp...anyway, here goes (btw, this message =
has nothing to do with "To Live Forever," or Mike Bahr! :)
A man walks into a little shop in the city. He looks around the store, =
just perusing, but doesn't see anything he sees. Then, all of the =
sudden, the man sees a large golden rat. "Hey, I want this rat," the =
man says to the shopkeeper.
"Sure, man, take it." So as the man is leaving the store, the =
shopkeeper says, "There's just one thing, you can't return that thing! =
Take it, but don't you bring it back here!" The man thinks this is a =
bit strange, but doesn't say anything.
Anyway, he leaves the shop, and as he's walking down the street, he =
notices a few rats following him around. He doesn't really think too =
much of it, but as he keeps walking, the rats keep accumulating. By the =
time he's walked a few blocks, there are like 50 rats following him! =
The man starts running -- he's run 20 blocks, and there are like 200 =
rats after him. So the guy books it to a bridge, tosses the golden rat =
in, and watches as all the rats jump into the river and drown.
The next day, the guy walks back to the shop where he got the golden =
rat. =20
"Hey, man, I told you I don't want that rat back!" yells the shopkeeper.
"No, no, no. The rat was great! I was wondering, do ya have any golden =
drummers?"
Hope it was good for a chuckle...in other notes, I CAN'T WAIT TIL THE =
NEW MEGADETH COMES OUT! "Trust" just came on the radio, pretty freakin' =
cool IMHO...well, that's all the rambling for today.
-Misha=20
"I said, 'the mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday.'" -- Scottie Pippen, =
trash-talking to Karl Malone
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:23:44 -0500
From: Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Releases (No DTC)
Message-ID: <3394C3A0.7016@li.net>
> New Release
> Bruce Dickinson- Accident Of Birth (still have yet to purchase)...
well do not hesitate any longer...This album is great.
Bruce's vocals are as good as they always were.
and the guitars have that Maidenish sound again (due to A.Smith)
I think this album is much better than his past solo efforts
If your into Maiden and Bruce, i would HIGHLY recommend this album.
i also picked up the new Faith No More. All i can say right now is....
Interesting......very interesting :)
this one is gonna take me a few listens to get into...Their style is varied
as ever. If your a fan of ALL their past stuff, then i would pick this
one up...but if you didn't care for their last one all that much, then
i would take a listen first.
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|\| So here I stand all alone...With chisel in hand I work my stone... |/|
|\| And leave a message for all to see...And contemplate mortality.. |/|
|\| - Savatage |/|
|\| Jim Lutz |/|
|\| Lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu YtseJim@DreamT.org |/|
|\| Metlhead@li.net YtseJim@HotMail.com |/|
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:25:33 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Concerns addressed!! :)
Message-ID: <199706040025.RAA21058@goodnet.com>
Hi all!!
Well, a lot of my loyal international customers brought up a HUGE
concern to me about the King's X boot, and since they're absolutely right,
I am going to correct it to the best of my ability here and now. :)
It was mentioned to me that international mail is so slow that my
customers fear they will miss out on the King's X boot if they just send
the order without any reservation. And it's true, it's too slow. So this
may not work quite like I expected. However I still think that Melissa's
direct-feed idea will get you all your CDs faster (those of you waiting
for TDOW and PT know exactly what I'm talking about).
So here's the solution I'm gonna try. I'm going to keep accepting
orders until I reach around 100, and then after that I'll close orders
here on the net, and any further orders that are already in the mail (like
from international customers) will still be fulfilled. So the final print
run will probably wind up being around 125 discs. It also came to my
attention that the KX fans here on the net might go berserk with desire
for this special boot CD, so I'll keep the door open to the possbility of
an extended run... but no more than 200, not ever. Thus it will remain
totally collectible, like the discs that came before it. And everyone
should have a chance to get it. I think this will work... please e-mail me
constructive criticism or ideas if you have any.
So, in a nutshell: Go ahead and send the order in, any order
postmarked before the day I close orders, will be fulfilled no matter
what. Sound good? :)
Now then, on to something completely different. Melissa has been
doing a lot of artistic stuff lately and we were browsing the CD covers
when we realized that a lot of that art is actually really cool. I
mentioned that I'd like to have the SFAM cover on a T-Shirt, and she
thought it was a great idea, and I agreed. So we're thinking of running
T-shirts of the covers. Naturally, the artists will be in for a little
further "compensation" because it is their brilliance that will be getting
exposure due to this. Assuming I could find a silkscreener that will bring
the shirts in at a decent final price... say $20 or so... would that be
something you Jammers would like? I'd start with the SFAM cover (Forest
green print on a white shirt) and follow with the other covers that were
exceptionally cool looking. I would rather have an awesome shirt with a
mediocre return on the investment than a piss-poor shirt with a huge
profit margin, so don't anyone worry about quality control. :) So let me
know. Which of my CD boot covers would you like a shirt of. I would put
the setlists on the back, along with some other miscellaneous stuff. Since
this endeavor is totally independent of my computer, delays in the CD
production would not affect it in any way.
Take care all!!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions"
Message-ID: <v01520d00afba2f21be62@[207.90.116.176]>
Wanted to buy Dweezil Zappa's 1991 (?) release called "Confessions."
Either new or (good qual.) used, but definitely on CD.
If you have it or have seen it somewhere, email me.
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:48:44 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr's new system
Message-ID: <19970603.175231.11142.5.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT) imajica@algonet.se (Niklas
Thorpenberg) writes:
>I really have to beg Mr. Bahr not to go through with his newly
>invented delivery system. Sure, it probably would make shipping faster,
but
>unfortunately it also gives American residents a huge advantage.
>Since the ones who pay first would get their discs first, obviously
>the CD's will be sold out before the Euro-customers' payment arrive.
>An e-mail however, travels equally fast no matter where you send it
from.
Well, maybe if you email Mike directly he'd be able to help you out.
I've dealt with Mike on various CD's in the past and he's always been
very considerate and helpful.
>Secondly, I know americans are used to paying by cheques, but in
>Europe we can't simply make out a cheque and send it to the US,
>because the banks over there won't accept them.
I sympathize with your situation. When I order from Europe I have the
same problem. Is there a way you can send cash where the recipient
has to sign for it? That way you know if it got there or not.
>And if the CD's are already sold out when the cash arrives, well what
then?
Like I said, email him privately and I'm sure he'd be more than willing
to help somehow.
Cheers!
Scott
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:03:35 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Let's trade...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970603215616.25791A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
Hi, there...
I'm so sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but I have been having
some problems with my e-mail server and I don't know if my last posts went
to the list. So, I'll be posting again my list of bootlegs (the post that
I think was the most important :-)). And if interested, please *don't*
reply to rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br, but *DO* reply to <rbrito@ime.usp.br>.
Thank you, Roger...
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Hi,
Several people have been asking me if I had something to trade.
And to speed things up, here is my list of Metallica bootlegs.
Currently, I'm very interested in anything by Metallica and Dream
Theater, and now I *HAVE* some bootlegs by Dream Theater, but
only a few. So, if you'd like to help a newbie... :-)
Now, I'm really interested in getting the following videos:
- Japan Pay Per View from the "Awake Tour" (Dream Theater);
- Woodstock II video (Metallica);
- Donnington'95 (Metallica);
- London, Astoria'95 (Metallica);
- 100 Club, Canada (Metallica).
If you have these videos, and you can dub in HiFi, I'll be very
happy to trade with you (unfortunately, I can only trade videos
in NTSC and PAL-M video systems; sorry, no SECAM or PAL).
*IMPORTANT MESSAGE:*
But if you don't have these videos, please, let me know what you
got and we can set up a trade anyway (I would really like to get
more videos now, but I have some audios that I'm dying to hear
such as "Puppets in El Paso" version of "Sanitarium").
More information can be seen at my bootleg home page (now it is
updated), where this list cames from (information such as videos,
trading rules, setlists and other details) or by sending an
e-mail to rbrito@ime.usp.br.
The URL is: <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>.
Please, read the rules.
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Title Place Date Len. Src.
DREAM THEATER
Uncovered London '95 120' CD
Guitar Talkin' (Acoustic & New Songs) various '91-'95 75' CD
Wake Up Japan '95 130' 1st gen
Mind Control Japan '90 130' 1st gen
Another Uncovered Germany '95 80' ??? gen
When Dream and Today Unite various ??? 80' CD
Fix for '96 Toad's Place'96 135' ??? gen
MEGADETH
Megadeth Live USA '92 35' 1st gen
Punishment is Due ??? '93 77' CD
Live in Ferrocarril Oeste Argentina '95 70' CD
METALLICA
Live Shit: Binge & Purge Mexico City '93 180' CD
Donnington'95 Donnington '95 56' CD
Enter Mudman (2CD) Woodstock 2 '94 100' CD
Covering'em I compilation --- 73' CD
Covering'em II compilation --- 75' CD
Metallica - Halloween compilation '82-'92 68' CD
Garage Days Re-Revisited + B-sides & Demos studio '87-'91 72' CD
Creeping Death EP + Jump in the Fire EP studio '84 30' CD
Kill'em All + Am I Evil? + Blitzkrieg studio '83 62' CD
No Life Till Leather studio '82 30' CD
Apocalyptica: plays Metallica by four Cellos studio '9x 40' CD
Metal Milita I studio '96 xx' CD
The Lemmys (better than "We are the Lemmys") Los Angeles '95 73' CD
Rough Justice (Justice Demos) studio '88 60' CD
Live Shit Load ??? '96 75' 1st gen
..And Justice for Woodstock Woodstock2 '94 75' 2nd gen
Secret Demos studio '84-'88 50' 1st gen
London, Astoria'95 London '95 140' ??? gen
Sweden'87 Sweden '87 80' 2nd gen
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Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito "Master, Master, where's the dreams that I've been after? Master, Master, you promised only lies! Laughter, laughter, all I hear or see is laughter. Laughter, laughter, laughing at my cries." James Hetfield (Metallica), Master of Puppets =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:04:57 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199706040205.TAA20773@odin.ax.com>
> I was reading a post from the Queen list where someone posted > that Lars Ulrich is a better drummer than Neil Peart, on a techinal > level. Can you believe it? Lars is a better drummer than Neil Peart? > > I really had a good laugh over that one.
I hate to say it about Lars, but I think Neil could be more creative with a single Folger's Coffee can than Lars could on his own kit. He'd probably have a better tonality, too. :P
> Damnit. No! I, too, want that thread. Support the People's Front > of Judea!
Go to hell! Everyone join the Judean People's Front. We're much more civil! :) (I haven't seen that forever!)
:) KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets ibanez@cyberghighway.net "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet
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