YTSEJAM digest 2620

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Mon Jun 09 1997 - 16:09:38 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2620

    Today's Topics:

      1) Wolf / Hockey
     by Pat Griffin <c675311@showme.missouri.edu>
      2) Triumph
     by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
      3) distortions
     by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
      4) QR radio show
     by King of the Internet <skooc@earthlink.net>
      5) Re: distortions
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
      6) Rush
     by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
      7) Lucky asses in Detroit
     by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
      8) re: Hockey Thread
     by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
      9) Vanilla-flavoured condoms
     by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
     10) Guitar Shop and CD Shop at Palo Alto Area
     by "Ronald" <Petnrond@rad.net.id>
     11) pat-n-al
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
     12) Anthrax, Cacophony, Maiden, Masquerade, 'Tage
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
     13) 'Tage DWD insult?
     by zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer)
     14) stuff
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
     15) Re: 'Tage DWD insult?
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
     16) Shawarma...Slight Return
     by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
     17) Queensryche - Chat
     by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
     18) The Tough Red Wings
     by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
     19) Pappadam
     by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
     20) Triumph, APSOG (no, not again!), cool weirdness
     by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:20:07 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Pat Griffin <c675311@showme.missouri.edu>
    To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Wolf / Hockey
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95q.970609001723.161368A-100000@mail.missouri.edu>

    >From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
    >Subject: Re: Hockey, misc. stuff - (NDTC?)
    >
    > Amen, brother. No sports threads allowed. The occasional mention,
    >okay. But no threads...it's a waste of space...I love hockey as much as
    >the next guy, but this is not a sports list.

    Yeah, what the hell is a Ytsejammer doing watching hockey, anyway!?

        h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
        | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design |
        | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
        h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:38:29 -0500
    From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Triumph
    Message-ID: <v0153050bafc154f0fba9@[207.79.6.174]>

    >>Triumph got another Canadian guitarist to replace Rik and his name is
    >>Phillip X, and he's supposed to be better than Rik.

    Yea, that's why Edge of Excess was the worst album they put out.

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:41:30 -0400
    From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: distortions
    Message-ID: <19970609054733.AAA3316@ernst-d>

    > and 12" and stuff. DT has only three cds and one ep

    actually that's 2 ep's. And the record industry doesn't seem to recognize
    WDADU much, so in this case they only have 2 cd's...

    Now the actual point of my post... Could any guitarist who owns or tried
    out a SansAmp, Art Xtreme, or Xtreme+ email me info on it. First of all,
    does it sound good(duh) and second, how much control over the sound do you
    have? i.e. how many distortion types? EQ? Sweepable mid? Or if anyone has
    any recommendations on getting a good distortion for around $200, id also
    appreiciate it. I just need something relativeky cheap which wont give me
    a sound that makes me cringe so I can play in a band while I'm in Panama
    (Im planning on going to Boston around January, if everything goes well)...

    ok dats dat. thanx
    later
    Ernie

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    Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:58:18 -0700 (PDT)
    From: King of the Internet <skooc@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: QR radio show
    Message-ID: <199706090658.XAA21479@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

    I got the QR show on tape tonight. Total with music and interviews is
    about :63. If anyone would like to set up a trade email me.

    Scott
    ***************************************************************************
    Some balls are held for charity and some for fancy dress;
    But when they're held for pleasure they're the balls that I like best.
    My balls are always bouncing to the left and to the right;
    It's my belief that my big balls should be held every night.

    Bon Scott
    ***************************************************************************

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    Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 03:18:15 EDT
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: distortions
    Message-ID: <19970609.002259.14134.9.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto
    Schnack) writes:

    >actually that's 2 ep's. And the record industry doesn't seem to
    >recognize WDADU much, so in this case they only have 2 cd's...

    I forget Live At The Marquee. Not because it sucks or anything, it's a
    killer disc. But because it wasn't released here in the country I live
    in. :)

    Scott

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:43:02 +0000
    From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Rush
    Message-ID: <199706090747.CAA09793@Walden.MO.NET>

    Didn't see any jammers at the Rush show earlier tonight (Sun.). I
    wore my jam shirt and everything. So where was everybody?

    Dale R. Newberry

    P.S. the show rocked everything I have to rock :).

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:38:15 -0700 (MST)
    From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Lucky asses in Detroit
    Message-ID: <199706090738.AAA11024@goodnet.com>

    You're so lucky you don't even know it. Two championships with so huge a
    gap between them, etc etc. Heh. Move here. In the history of sport, there
    has never been a professional championship team in Arizona. Ever. In
    college there has been exactly One... the U of A wildcats (hoops '97). I'd
    say you don't know, and never knew, what true "long suffering" _is_. :)

            Ah well. It happens. Congrats Red Wings. Go Coyotes in '97-98!!

    - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 6:06:17 EDT
    From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: re: Hockey Thread
    Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+cOxanA@tcx.tcco.com>

    I am SOOOO glad to see that so many Jammers are hockey fans. I live for the
    sport (bought the DSS dish so I could watch 20-30 games a week...). Now that
    I've seen my two favorite teams win the Cup - Rangers and Redwings - i can
    now truly say "I CAN FINALLY DIE IN PEACE".

    PS - only 90 days till training camp

    Also, if any who lives in the Detroit area has an extra newspaper from Sunday
    that they can sell to me, please email with the info.

    Thanks - Chung in NYC

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 14:32:36 +0200
    From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
    Subject: Vanilla-flavoured condoms
    Message-ID: <9706091232.AA00341@sundoc13.software-ag.de>

    Hi all

    just got back from a diving holiday in the south of France (where the Francians
    come from) to find 28 jams in my mailbox. With a feeling of apprehension I set
    about the task of reading them, only to find that the list hasn't changed much
    in my absence - the usual in-fighting, the return of Aniseed Whatshername, the
    long-awaited revival of the various nationalist groupings etc. - it's stuff like
    this that reminds me of why I joined up all those years ago.

    One of the CDs I took to France with me was 'Nighttime Birds' by The Gathering.
    It was also the CD that I didn't bring back with me - the guy who was the
    skipper of our dive boat asked me what I was listening to one day when I was
    preparing the dive plans for the day, and that was the last I saw (or heard)
    of the album. He was hooked immediately. So if you haven't heard this album,
    do yourself a big favour and get an earful of this great band as soon as
    possible. (I went an bought a replacement copy this afternoon). Does anybody
    else here dive? (muff diving doesn't count)

    While I was in town to buy the replacement CD, I dropped into the used CD shop
    to have a quick browse. They had three copies of the latest offering by Fates
    Warning at DM 15 each. Hmmm...

    Is it just me, or are there other people on the list who dislike most of these
    singer/song writer types, regardless of their gender? I find most of them very
    egocentric with a strong tendency to whine.

    Any news about the new Vauxdvihl album?

    stay safe and happy listening
    Neil Gallop
    (nga@software-ag.de)
    Currently playing: Pennywise - About Time

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:00:43 +0700
    From: "Ronald" <Petnrond@rad.net.id>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Guitar Shop and CD Shop at Palo Alto Area
    Message-ID: <199706091259.TAA28699@server2.rad.net.id>

    Hi fellow Ytsejammer!
    I will visit Palo Alto at 21st june
    so, anyone live at Palo alto, can you ppl give me the address of complete
    guitar shop and big CD Store ?
    please reply by private email
    Thanx a lot
    RONALD 'SHINOBU'
    petnrond@rad.net.id
    http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/6654
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    I can learn to close my eyes........ to anything........ but injustice
    I can learn to resist.... to anything...........................but
    temptation
                                                                               
                      -RUSH
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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: pat-n-al
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970609095540.17131B-100000@reagan.mcl.bdm.com>

    From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>

    >jeepers, pat, after 3 1/2 years of listening to you whine one would think
    >that you're both pat AND al, just some weirdo with a schizo urge* to compete
    >publicly with yourself.
    >

    I can really see why everyone hates you.

    >I mean, if I could get as much mileage from -- what was it, $20? a tape
    >trade? doesn't matter -- as you have from your self-proclaimed sour deal,
    >I'd be the ranking republican in the national congress right now.
    >
    >Do give it up. Please.

    If you could read you would have read my last post where I said that if
    OTHER jammers keep bringing up the subject on the deadbeat trader Al then
    I will respond when I felt it neccessary. If you are sick of reading about
    this Al crap then quit bringing it up. Follow your own advice and give it up.

    Al is just a sad excuse for a human being.

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
    | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
    |=======================================================================|
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT)
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Anthrax, Cacophony, Maiden, Masquerade, 'Tage
    Message-ID: <v01520d00afc18f8b19f0@[207.90.116.245]>

    (Sorry, once again for clogging up the list...but I really need to get rid
    of these.)

    The following CDs are for sale $8 (unless noted), I pay postage.

    anthrax sound of white noise ($6)
    cacophony go off!
    george carlin parental advisory: explicit lyrics
    lanny cordola electric warrior / acoustic saint
    iron maiden powerslave
    masquerade surface of pain
    savatage handful of rain

    Email me if interested,
    Dan

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       http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/
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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:58:33 -0700
    From: zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: 'Tage DWD insult?
    Message-ID: <19970609.075834.11430.0.zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com>

            I have a couple of CD's that I would like to get rid of. All

    >>Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
            
    >I can understand the others, mostly (haven't heard the FW
    >ones), but the
    >'Tage? DWD? $8? Are you nuts? That's an insult to metal's best band.

    That's funny... If they're so great, maybe you can explain why no one has
    offered to buy it then. I actually like Savatage, especially EOT, but
    this album just didn't do it for me. As far as the negative view in your
    post, maybe you could have looked at it as being a great deal for those
    who are interested in hearing some of this bands material instead of an
    insult to the band.

    Zimbob

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: stuff
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970609110321.17131G-100000@reagan.mcl.bdm.com>

    merlo wrote:
    > Hey, so the Mets are fighting for second place in the NL east...

    Dropped the Yankees that fast, have we?

    Go O's!

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
    | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
    |=======================================================================|
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
    To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: 'Tage DWD insult?
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970609120005.1004A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>

    On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Scott R Luttringer wrote:

    > >'Tage? DWD? $8? Are you nuts? That's an insult to metal's best band.
    >
    > That's funny... If they're so great, maybe you can explain why no one has
    > offered to buy it then. I actually like Savatage, especially EOT, but

    Maybe cause we all have it already.

    :)

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:38:44 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Shawarma...Slight Return
    Message-ID: <199706091638.JAA16932@main.cfmc.com>

    >From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
    >
    >>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:52:04 -0700
    >>From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    >>To: ytsejam@ax.com
    >>Subject: Shawarma
    >How I miss this food. I think the reason it is not that good in the U.S. is
    >because the flies are not hovering around the rotating rack of lamb fat. :-)
    >Do not worry if this post makes no sense.
    >
    >Isaac

    Makes sense to me. I've only reveled in the bastardized version of the
    food, though, as there are a couple of place near where I work (San
    Francisco....SOMA, to be specific) that sell them. One of which is
    amusingly named Falafel Express. In any event, I still love the damn
    things, even if I'm missing out on the fly protein....

    Five Gratuitous CD's:
    =====================
    1. The Offspring: Ixnay on the Hombre
    2. Lost Souls: Howlin at the Moon
    3. Mozart: Symphonies 1-8
    4. Mozart: Symphonies 9-15
    5. Jethro Tull: Catfish Rising

    Adam D. Barnhart
    adamb@cfmc.com
    ydnt85a@prodigy.com
    http://www.cfmc.com/adamb

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    Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 19:14:09 +0200
    From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Queensryche - Chat
    Message-ID: <339C39E1.1940@westend.com>

    Hi there!

    The magazine I'm working for will have a Queensryche-Web-chat on
    Wednesday. Just look at: http://xxx.koelner.de for more information.
    Ignore the German stuff, there is a simple English help page. The
    chat starts at 18:00 here in middle Europe, that's 9AM Pacific and
    12AM Eastern Time (or something like that), for you US jammers.

    Steffen

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
    To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: The Tough Red Wings
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970609125615.28136E-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>

    > ------------------------------
    >
    > Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 23:10:10 -0600
    > From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
    > Subject: Re: Hockey, misc. stuff - (NDTC?)

    > >1996-97!! Dave McCarty jukes Janne Ninimaa and Ron Hextall out of their
    > >
    > Hey, palio...what game were you watching? Who's Dave McCarty? :-)

    Whoops! :) I'm from Minnesota, Dave McCarty used to play for the Twins,
    Try Darren McCarty... it was the beer talkin, I think.

            I just read the Detroit Daily News Web Edition. I didn't know
    that Fedorov was playing with 2 broken ribs, and Draper had to have the
    tip of his pinky finger reattached after Game 2 of the Second Round.
    That's guts, I'm telling ya. THey deserved to win, playing through that
    kind of pain.

            And the picture of the Stanley Cup in the backseat of Yzerman's
    Porche is just priceless.

            Red Wings to repeat in '98!

                                            -jeremy

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    # grad student, Boston U. # "You're a psychopath!" #
    # Boston, MA 02134 # "No, psychopaths kill for no reason, #
    # Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't #
    #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># sound right." #
    #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Grosse Point Blanke #
    #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
    +=====================================================================+

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    Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:51:29 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Pappadam
    Message-ID: <199706091751.KAA17120@main.cfmc.com>

    >From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
    > Let's see. Could we stop all the stupid discussions or is
    >that WAY too much to ask? I mean, arguing over Alanis, or what
    >country is better, or any other shit like that is stupid. Since I
    >have started keeping up with the list again (read the last 14 jams or
    >so), I will start to get pissy if people keep up stupid posts. Could
    >we at least keep things music related? I love seeing reviews of shows
    >and new CDs (not that I can buy them :( ), but the stupid shit annoys
    >me. Also, personal replies are SO much better than posting to the jam
    >when it involves only 1 person.

    Here I am, pissing off the listmaster. Ah well, I don't mean to be flip,
    I'm just one of those guys who thinks EVERYTHING is related. I'll try not
    to spontaneously burst into song, screaming "Hand In My Pocket" at the top
    of my voice.

    I'm just a rebel....

    >From: Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu>
    >
    >Triumph was always considered a poor man's Rush, but I thought they were
    >terrific. They weren't as "progressive" (whatever that means), but I
    >thought they could hold their own against Rush. Emmett is simply a
    >superb guitar player, as good as anybody in the biz.

    Yeah, I remember him winning a few awards of one kind or another a while
    back, right before the whole neo-classical thing kicked in and raised the
    technical bar for hard rock. Rush is my favorite band, so I wouldn't say
    Triumph is THAT good, but they were an awfully strong band, a part of that
    next class down that I enjoy very much.

    >If you wish to check out their stuff, try "Allied Forces," "Never
    >Surrender", or "Thunder Seven." It was during this stretch that they
    >were at their peak, musically (IMHO). Though "Just A Game", "Sport Of
    >Kings," and "Surveillance" were darn good. Don't get "Edge Of Excess,"
    >whatever you do! IT SUCKS!!!!

    I actually like "Surveilance" a lot, but I think someone whose just getting
    into the band would probably be better off with one of the first three
    messages. I don't think "Edge of Excess" is THAT bad, but it ain't the
    band's high point, that's for sure.

    Five Gratuitous CD's:
    =====================
    1. Dream Theater: Images and Words
    2. Fates Warning: A Pleasant Shade of Gray
    3. Jethro Tull: Catfish Rising
    4. ELP: Black Moon
    5. Lost Souls: Howlin at the Moon

    Adam D. Barnhart
    adamb@cfmc.com
    ydnt85a@prodigy.com
    http://www.cfmc.com/adamb

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    Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:42:46 PDT
    From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Triumph, APSOG (no, not again!), cool weirdness
    Message-ID: <199706091942.MAA03640@f38.hotmail.com>

    Hello jammers,

      A few brief words. First, some people have been asking about
    Triumph. I haven't seen anyone mention it, but Rik Emmett (former
    guitarist) has a really good homepage where he answers fan questions,
    has a bio, and addresses the split with Triumph (unfortunately he
    thinks the other guys really screwed him over on the legal side of
    the split, and thus has no interest in a reunion as a result). All
    this and more can be found at this address..
    http://www.servtech.com/public/dsdame/rik/

      Not to dredge up old threads, but I have an observation about APSOG
    after having it for a while. I really like it... and for those who
    say it's quiet, boring or whatnot, I liken it to disc 2 of The Wall.
    Great songs in between quiet interludes.

      Finally, I thought I'd pass along a cool website, for anyone who
    likes weird stuff. It's the urban legends homepage.. it clears up
    the stories behind a whole range of weird rumors, issues, and such.
    The site is at http://www.urbanlegends.com . Enjoy!

    Sorry for the NDTC. As usual. :)

    *************************************************************
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    http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
    "Give me a conflict, give me a war/
     Just give me something worth fighting for"
     -Kevin Gilbert, "Shadow Self", Thud
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