YTSEJAM Digest 2628
Today's Topics:
1) New Megadeth
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
2) In Defense of Eternity-X
by edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
3) Sorry
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
4) finneus
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
5) Re: In Defense of Eternity-X
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
6) Re: In Defense of Eternity-X
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
7) Re:
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
8) Re: New Megadeth
by evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
9) Queensryche Opening Bands
by MTeiper@aol.com
10) Columbia House
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
11) Re: PG?
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
12) just a random thought disorder
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) REALLY URGENT -- Stop E-mailing Eternity-X
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@SpiritOne.com>
14) I'm still alive
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:32:53 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Megadeth
Message-ID: <3365DC64.F38@geocities.com>
Hey there,
I was wondering... So many people talking 'bout the new Megadeth, is it
already out? (Sorry, I've been "off-line" from the world lately =) ). I
was thinking about buying some stuff, that'd be a good one.
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:24:27 -0400 From: edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: viper2@eternity-x.com Subject: In Defense of Eternity-X Message-ID: <19970611.212428.9878.2.EdWilk@juno.com>
Hey there,
I've been reading these messages about Eternity-X, and the bad press they've been getting on the jam. I've been silent, up to this point. I've gotten into arguments about them on #ytsejam, but I must speak my peace here. I don't intend to ruffle feathers, but if that's what happens.. c'est la vie. First of all, let me state my opinion on the rap question on the Eternity-X survey. I find it arrogant and self-righteous that people feel that they deserve to express their opinions of music (on the Jam, on IRC, whatever), but when a band, or band member, expresses their opinion, they are bashed. I understand that some of you will say that that is "unprofessional", but the fact is EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion. Yngwie Malmsteen is a very vocal person, with a huge ego and wiseass mouth. To quote him- "I know all there is to know about music theory." Yet thousands of people LOVE him, or his music. If you don't listen to a band's music because of the views of the members, more power to you- don't listen to them and move on. Secondly, subtlerage had a (very) bad experience with Keith. You two didn't get off on the right foot, to say the very least. Some people just do NOT get along, and that is a fact of life. The best thing to do is to ignore each other and move on. Speaking from my own experiences, Keith is one of the nicest people I have ever met. He is very quick in replying to all e-mails I've sent him and friends of mine have sent him, he is very passionate about his music, and most of all- he stands by his fans, no matter what. He puts so much into the band and into the fans because of his love for it all. To show this, here are some quotes from e-mail I've received from Keith-
"I never get sick of our fans, they have given me so much in return. I will take the time, I am honored to be able to be free to do this. Some bands never even get asked for anything, I have been blessed to have thousands of people around the world come together on computers and mail to want to talk, they want to interact, it is priceless. The day I get sick of you is the day I should retire and quit... on that day... shoot me."
In regards to fans...
"They know us truly and deeply, they can feel us through our songs. I would like to give all of them thanks for just being there, they are our inspiration."
So, to end this all, I would just like to say not to judge Keith based on one bad experience with him. He is a great guy and a great musician. I can understand if subtlerage doesn't like him. But please don't judge the music on the basis of his (subtlerage's) experience. They put out some of the most emotional music I've ever heard, and their technical ability is to be commended- if you would, check out - "The Edge". The .WAV files on their website obviously do not do them justice, as .WAV file quality sucks. As I said, I mean no ill to anyone on this list, but I wanted to give my experiences with Eternity-X and Keith Sudano, and I will continue to stick by them.
Ed Wilk Ed-San on #ytsejam
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:49:29 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sorry Message-ID: <3365E049.F41@geocities.com>
Hey there,
I'm pretty sorry if you receive the same message I sent right before this twice or three times, but I had some problems with unstable connections and my mail program went crazy.
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: finneus Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970611213103.1150A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 caber1@concentric.net wrote:
> Also, does anyone have reviews for Finnues Gauge(sp?). Do they sound > like Echolyn at all?
oh, do they. chris buzby (keys for echolyn and fg) must have been the principal music writer for echolyn, because 1) finneus gauge sounds almost exactly the same musically, and 2) i've heard that still (formed by three other ex-echolyn members) sounds nothing like echolyn.
i had the opportunity to see the gauge live in march, and they blew me away. they're extremely talented musicians, the singer adds an unexpected element to the music (she's female), and they're genuinely nice people (just like those sweet eternity-x boys). chris and the rest of the crew took time before and after the show to hang out and talk with their fans, and even came out to see part of the opening acts.
finneus gauge's first album, "more once more," should be released really really soon (like in a matter of days or weeks). keep yourself posted at http://ghostland.com/ (i forget the url after that, but that main page'll get ya there).
-d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:45:17 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: In Defense of Eternity-X Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970611213834.1150B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Edward J Wilk wrote:
> As I said, I mean no ill to anyone on this > list, but I wanted to give my experiences with Eternity-X and Keith > Sudano, and I will continue to stick by them.
Until you find out that you and Keith disagree on something, that is, cause he's likely to slap you down the way he did to rage.
I don't care if he goes around healing the sick and feeding the poor. A lifetime of "good" acts and "happy" e-mail can serve quite well in diverting our eyes from someone's true nature. It's times like his conversation with Rage, though, when he is without the benefit of forethought, that we see what he's really like, what's going on in his heart and his brain. A non-calculated, unplanned, kneejerk reaction to something he loathes that brings out the worst in him, his true nature.
This guy Keith has issues to deal with. I don't fault him for that. But I will always remember Eternity-X as "the band that bad-mouths people that like what they dislike." And I'll bring that thought to the counter of the CD shop, too.
-d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:11 -0500 (CDT) From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: In Defense of Eternity-X Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970611205229.28441A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
> First of all, let me state my opinion on the rap question on the > Eternity-X survey. I find it arrogant and self-righteous that people > feel that they deserve to express their opinions of music (on the Jam, on > IRC, whatever), but when a band, or band member, expresses their opinion, > they are bashed. I understand that some of you will say that that is > "unprofessional", but the fact is EVERYONE is entitled to their own > opinion.
i feel like i have to step in here and illustrate a few points. i don't begrudge anyone the right to their opinion, or to react to what they feel to be a hostile letter (be they right or wrong). however, as i was reading the correspondence between andy and keith, a quote from keith struck me. it was something to the effect of:
"rap is just a bunch of blacks screaming about stupid shit."
this is not only unprofessional, uneducated, and racist, it's also untrue. it is this kind of a statement that lends credence to the people bashing this band for keith's treatment of andy. i personally dislike 98% of all rap, and i do think a lot of it is crap, but i would not go so far as to make the kind of statement that keith did. it's just not right.
there are other things that bother me about the whole issue, but this was the one thing that really pissed me off, so i'll just stop with that...
peace, id
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:19:27 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <19970611.192358.8638.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Lars wrote (with his free hand): >I hope Scott Cook doesn't like Megadeth, 'cause he'd probably jump up >on stage and beat the shit outta Dave for starting a "my country is >better than yours" thread.
I thought I heard your Mom say that, but my sperm was gargling in her throat which made it difficult to understand (ohhhh, brutal!)
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:22:37 -0700 (MST) From: evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Megadeth Message-ID: <199706120222.TAA20635@mail2.goodnet.com>
it'll be available in the US on June 17th I'm pretty sure it's been released thoughout most of the globe already >Hey there, > > I was wondering... So many people talking 'bout the new Megadeth, is it >already out? (Sorry, I've been "off-line" from the world lately =) ). I >was thinking about buying some stuff, that'd be a good one. > > >-- >[]'s >/**********************************************\ >|* Marcelo Vanzin *| >|* vanzin@geocities.com *| >|* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| >\**********************************************/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- Catch Megadeth this summer in a city near you...
6/13 MESA, AZ MESA AMP 7/24 LAS VEGAS THE JOINT 7/25 LAS VEGAS THE JOINT 7/26 SAN FRANCISCO, CA WARFIELD 7/31 SALT LAKE CITY, UT SALT AIR 8/1 DENVER, C0 RED ROCKS 8/3 KANSAS CITY, KS MEMORIAL HALL 8/4 ST. LOUIS, MO AMERICAN THEATRE 8/6 ST. PAUL, MN WILKENS AUD 8/7 MILWAUKEE, WI EAGLE'S BALLROOM 8/8 CHICAGO,IL ARAGON 8/9 COLUMBUS, OH AIR CENTER 8/10 CLEVELAND, OH AGORA PARKING LOT 8/12 DETROIT, MI STATE THEATRE 8/14 NYC HAMMERSTEIN BALLROOM 8/15 BOSTON, MA GREAT WOODS 8/16 ASBURY PARK, NJ CONVENTION HALL
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:59:57 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queensryche Opening Bands Message-ID: <970611225950_844914330@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Hey Jammerz -
Just saw on the Queensryche Campaign homepage a couple days ago - the guys plan on having a different band open up for them at each show! In each case, the band will most likely be a local act that won some kind of battle of the bands or something! Now, I'm all for giving an unknown a shot, but this is ridiculous!!! So much for Dream Theater. What's this about them supposedly opening for the Ryche until JP got sick? Can anyone confirm this?
This said, I'm still looking forward to the 2 upcoming shows (Great Woods and Darien Lake) that I will be attending. I was just hoping for a little more out of the opening slot.
Laterz... Matt T.
Now Playing: Bruce Dickinson "Accident of Birth" - one totally kick-arse album!!!
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:07:20 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Columbia House Message-ID: <339F67E8.6E46@enter.net>
Yes they do have a movie club.
The address is http://www.columbiahouse.com
Another tough one to remember.
Later
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:21:08 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: PG? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970611222108.0068b1b4@autobahn.mb.ca>
>Also, does anyone have reviews for Finnues Gauge(sp?). Do they sound > God, I really hope you don't mean Phineas Gage...But before I go any further, I gotta know if it's the same band I'm thinking of. Where are they from? Yeah - Phineas Gage...the guy who lived with a rod through his skull for 7 years. Sounds like a pile of crap, but apparently a true story.
L8r
======================================================== A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic ~ Josef Stalin ========================================================
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:50:03 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: just a random thought disorder Message-ID: <19970612025022.AAA20896@ernst-d>
I've been listening to Tool's 'Third Eye' a lot lately, and something came to my mind. It seems that when ppl talk about 'progressive rock', they're referring to music w/ excellent musical execution, great technical difficulty, odd time sig's, long songs (and instrumental sections), concept albums, etc.. But I always took the term 'progressive rock' more as concept than a style of music. I consider it music that tries to move forward and try new things. Of course when prog-rock first started, it definitely was just that... but most prog bands today are just doing what has already been before. Actually, it seems to me that a lot of th e newer ones are just copying DT. So, i.e. they're not 'progressing'. Then, when I listen to 'Third Eye', I hear a 13min. song w/ absoulutely no trace of a standard rock/pop song structure, including many of today's styles (industrial, metal...) which moves dynamically (and I mean DYNAMICALLY)from beginning to end. And it just sounds new and refreshing...of course the first couple of times I heard, I thought it was weird as fuck, but once I got into it, I couldn't stop listening to it. The last record (or song) to have affected me as much was I&W. So to sum it up, for me and what I consider to be prog rock, I think Tool is a lot more prog than most bands discussed on this list. Just thought you'd like to know :)
I guess now I understand why Robert Fripp prefers that King Crimson be referred to as 'art-rock' instead of prog.
prying open his third eye, Ernie
oh wait, I'm not done yet... a totally off-topic question. Any Tick fans know why the moon in the cartoon has 'CHA' written on it? Just curious.
SPOON! Ernie
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:02:27 -0700 From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@SpiritOne.com> To: "_YTSEJAM_" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: REALLY URGENT -- Stop E-mailing Eternity-X Message-ID: <199706120402.VAA15941@ridge.spiritone.com>
If you've been paying attention to the Eternity-X thread that has been going on, you need to read this. Heck... even if you haven't, don't skim this over.
In Ytsejam 2624, Chris "Digital Man" Merlo wrote:
> I almost forgot the second part of that last post. I'll be writing to > that guy from Eternity-X later today, telling him that neither me nor any > of my friends will be purchasing his cd's or attending his concerts, until > he leaves the band or retracts his statements in writing. The way he > acted is uncalled for, and I refuse to support musicians that treat their > fans this way. > > I'm hoping some more of you will do the same. I know that M-Bone and Dr. > Mosh feel the same way. How about you? Let's see some action on this > one.
Not quite true. While Keith was wrong to say the things in the first place, I was wrong to bring it to everyone's attention and make a big deal out of this. I was also wrong to make you guys part of an obviously private discussion between myself and Keith, and Keith and Andrew.
Proper netiquette would dictate that we not post our private correspondence, however insulting or inflammatory or impolite, to a public forum such as this. I apologize for doing so, and for inciting people to take action against Keith or Eternity-X. This was NEVER my intention.
Chris (or anyone), if you choose not to support Eternity-X at all, please don't do so on my account or on Andrew's account. As far as I'm concerned, if I had acted with proper maturity, nobody except Andrew and I would have even HEARD of this Eternity-X thing, and my stress level would be a few notches lower.
And another thing... I'd also ask you guys to NOT SEND KEITH ANY E-MAIL about what he said to myself or to Andrew. Don't ask him to retract his statements, as he already has to us. The last thing he (or I) needs is for two million hateful entries in his E-mail inbox or guestbook.
Speaking of guestbooks...
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In Ytsejam 2626, Pat Daugherty wrote:
> I went to the eternity-x page to check out the guestbook to see the > posts but it appears that the guestbook is no longer on the server. > Go figure...
And from what everyone's been doing, I'm not surprised at all. Please quit harassing this guy.
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In Ytsejam 2626, Margaret "Maddy" Pluta wrote:
> Could this new development be...threatened lawsuit??
No, but if everyone doesn't stop harassing Keith in our name, it could very well be.
> Well, I guess I'm going to pretend that this was one of the > 'jams I deleted before reading, because I feel this guy doesn't > really deserve an apology, nor does he deserve to be left alone.
I'm sorry you and I disagree on this. But if you feel you need to harangue the guy, don't do it for our sake, please. Find some other reason (like "Your webpage is ugly" or "Your grandma wears army boots") but please don't use anything Andrew or I may have said.
> The music scene is very public and very political (look who's on > the top of the charts and think of why they're there) and, therefore, > if someone is going to speak on behalf of the band, they should think > about every single word they say (or type) before spewing it out. Once > it's out, it's public domain, and if the whole band gets sunk because > of the big mouth of one guy, then maybe they should replace they guy. > It's that simple.
I agree that the music scene is very political. I also agree that Keith should have thought things through before he sent any mail to anyone, but that's a moot point now. No, it technically wasn't public domain, because Keith never intended our correspondence to be made public.
If Eternity-X decides to replace Keith, that's entirely their decision. If what has happened changes their mind, well... que sera, sera. But I don't want to be responsible for what might possibly turn out to be the end of this guy's career.
> So go ahead, bug Eternity-X, bug their record company, and bug your > friends about them. If they're not equipped to handle the public life, > then maybe they should go back into the garage.
Maddy, it's people like you who make my blood pressure jump up a few notches. :)
Seriously though... please, please, PLEASE stop bugging Keith and Eternity-X on our account. I am sure that they have received enough hate mail to last them quite a while. I was wrong to even suggest that people should e-mail Keith about this, and for this I apologize.
Call me a cop-out, call me a wimp, call me a ninny, I honestly don't care. I should never have started this nor brought it to the JAM's attention.
If you have any questions or disagreements, please ADDRESS THEM TO ME PERSONALLY instead of E-mailing them to the Jam. I know I've opened a very large can of worms, but I'd like to close it as quickly as I can.
And, with this, I'm going to have a nice cold beer and relax.
Later!
[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] "To rise, to fall [ mail: schnoor@SpiritOne.com ] To hurt, to hate [ mail: schnoor@cs.pdx.edu ] To want, to wait [ http://www.SpiritOne.com/~schnoor ] To heal, to save" [ IRC: M-Bone@irc.dreamt.org:2112 ] - Dream Theater, "Scarred"
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:08:58 -0400 From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I'm still alive Message-ID: <339F7659.E7D992C1@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Walter asked what happened to my frequent reviews on prog-metal and other bands. Well, I got a full time job last February and I was working two jobs up to last weekend. I have been in lurker mode for a while, but the sheer volume of jams has made it hard to keep up. So with the job, and a reunion with Jen, the love of my life <grin> time has been at a premium. Now that I have off weekends, I'd like to get back to keeping up my page, reviewing the 10 or so CDs that are on my TV from bands, and seeing a few more concerts. I'm experimenting with Netscape Communicator this evening, my TCP/IP protocol had been screwed up for two months, I finally managed to find the problem, damn dll files. ACK! Anyways, hello to all of the persons who have been dragging around here since I joined at the end of 1993. Where is the new album? Mike Portnoy, the legions are falling asleep!
Later,
Mike
mbacko1@umbc.edu UMBC Alumni mbackof@dejarnette.com Applications Specialist/ Quality Technician
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