YTSEJAM Digest 2630
Today's Topics:
1) apologies regarding eternity-x
by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
2) Rods? In or Out, Under a CHA Moon, and Not in the face!!!!
by caber1@concentric.net
3) to Digital Man
by Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
4) Rush remasters
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Finneus Gauge
by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
6) Re: Rush remasters
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
7) DT DT DT DT DT
by "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com>
8) NEXC... :P
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2629
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
10) Re: Big Mouth
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Professionalism
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Re: DT DT DT DT DT
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) message for Olaf Bode
by "J.P.Cornelissen" <J.P.Cornelissen@inter.NL.net>
14) PT and DOW
by JE78674@ltu.edu
15) Re: non-prog CD reviews
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
16) Rudess and Morgenstein Clinic in July
by ladyheather@juno.com
17) Subtlerage, Chaos Theory, DTC!!!!!!
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:31:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: apologies regarding eternity-x
Message-ID: <199706121731.MAA20396@arthur.avalon.net>
hi all-
well, i re-subscribed to the jam this morning. it appears the whole
eternity-x thing has caused quite a stir. so i wanted to offer some final
thoughts-
-i've apologized on the newsgroups to eternity-x and anyone else offended,
and i wish to do so here as well. while my intentions for initially
emailing them were peaceful, and all correspondence with them after that
point was as well (at least i tried to keep it peaceful), posting their
private emails to my web site was not. was this wrong? perhaps. illegal?
no. unethical? definitely. i still feel strongly that their attitude,
inflammatory remarks and content of their emails to me were way out of line,
but it was also out of line for me to take it public.
-through all this B.S., i've lost sight of why i'm on the net in the first
place... to meet new people and promote my music. i do NOT want subtlerage
to be remembered as the person, band, whatever, that got into a flame war
with eternity-x. that is NOT the publicity that i want. i wish i would've
realized this before taking the actions that i did, but it's too late for
that now. i just want everyone to realize this.
-judge eternity-x for yourselves. don't boycott them for their words to me.
why? how's rush for an example? everyone universally knows how Peart has
been known to cut fans down and be incredibly rude. do you, after knowing
this, still listen to them?
that's about it. let's not clutter the jam with this anymore, so if you
have anything to say in regards to this, contact me directly at the address
below.
thanks for your time.
-Andrew
subtlerage@subtlerage.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:59:32 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rods? In or Out, Under a CHA Moon, and Not in the face!!!!
Message-ID: <33A05524.7926@concentric.net>
That guy with Savatage stuff in his .sig wrote:
> >Also, does anyone have reviews for Finnues Gauge(sp?). Do they sound
> God, I really hope you don't mean Phineas Gage...But before I go any
> further, I gotta know if it's the same band I'm thinking of. Where are they
> from?
> Yeah - Phineas Gage...the guy who lived with a rod through his skull for 7
> years. Sounds like a pile of crap, but apparently a true story.
No, I meant the FG that is formed by the keyboardist of Echylon. But I
now have a new question was the rod fully in his head or was it sticking
out? ;-)
Ernie wrote:
>oh wait, I'm not done yet... a totally off-topic question. Any Tick fans
>know why the moon in the cartoon has 'CHA' written on it? Just curious.
Well, in one show Chair Face Chip-n-Dale tried to write his name on the
moon with this laser thingie. But the Tick stopped him, while he was
writing the 'A'. Also, later on in the series some spaceship hits the
moon and a big chunk of the moon flies off. I love that show! :)
Hey everyone if you could just stop talking about assholes with big
mouths, and wiseass remarks. I mean must people move on...
Not in the face! Not in the face!(more Tick quotes!!!!)
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
"Just put on a sign that says "Condemned" on it!"
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:53:09 -0700
From: Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: to Digital Man
Message-ID: <339FE325.5B14@concentric.net>
point taken, thank you.
DK
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:10:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush remasters
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970612140902.23345A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Hey guys-
I can understand why some of the older Rush albums are being re-issued as
remasters, but why are such albums as "power windows" and "hold your fire"
being re-issued as well. These albums were done in DDD format and sound
extremely polished. I mean, how much better will a remastered version be?
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:30:50 -0400
From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Finneus Gauge
Message-ID: <01BC7746.1A330AA0@bos-ip-2-148.ziplink.net>
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A little fun fact for ya all, although someone touched upon it in jam =
#2628...Finneus Gauge (or maybe the guy's name was spelled Phinaeus or =
something...i dunno...but ANYWAY, Gauge was a charge "setter" of some =
sort: he would put charges of dynamite in stone blocks and blow the shit =
out of 'em. So, one time, he was planting the charge, and *BOOM!* the =
thing goes off. Now, the rod that contained the dynamite shot out of =
the cement going like a billion MPH, and went straight through Gauge's =
skull, taking the center portion of his brain (called the limbic system =
-- it controls primal urges and some memory) with it. The crazy thing =
is, Gauge lived! So, he went through life lacking the primal urges that =
so many of us take for granted! Hope it was as entertaining for you as =
it was for me when I learned this story. =20
-Misha
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open =
sewer and die." --Mel Brooks
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Rush remasters
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970612153417.2260A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Brandon Elhai wrote:
> I can understand why some of the older Rush albums are being re-issued as
> remasters, but why are such albums as "power windows" and "hold your fire"
> being re-issued as well. These albums were done in DDD format and sound
> extremely polished. I mean, how much better will a remastered version be?
There are three reasons that I can think of.
1) Mercury probably thought, "If we're gonna do any, let's make it a
complete set."
2) Mercury probably thought, "If we leave one out, someone will be pissed
that we left out their favorite album."
3) Most importantly, Mercury definitely thought, "The more we re-release,
the more money we'll make!"
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:54:03 Central Daylight Time
From: "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT DT DT DT DT
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970612155614.2ac7d4e6@mail.som.com>
I haven't been reading the jams, or surfing the web much these past few weeks.
My co. has been experiencing network problems.
I'd like to know:
When is there next album coming out?
What's their tour schedule?
If any of you know this info, post it the next jam.
thanks,
Francesco
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:11:37 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NEXC... :P
Message-ID: <199706122110.AA11718@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hiya!
To everyone who saw the "Vic" Megadeth show, thanks for the info, and I
hope you choke on it, you lucky bastards. :P
>8/14 NYC HAMMERSTEIN BALLROOM
Figures. One week after I move. Mother pussbucket... Why in the hell are
they not playing anywhere south of Virginia?
On QR openers:
>Now, I'm all for giving an unknown a shot, but this is ridiculous!!!
I think it was a result of no other band wanting to commit to opening
for them. Its pretty slim pickins out there this summer.
>Subject: Columbia House
Yeah, one of my many alter egos has a few accounts through these guys.
They just beg for you to rip them off... :)
Hey Dale, could you let me know the order of the bands at Ozzfest if it
isn't too much trouble. Thanks! Hey Al, you still going? Let me know.
Little reminder: the downloads of new DT songs sound like crap. The
band would prefer that you wait till the finished product is out and not
listen to "bootlegged" versions of the new material.
In the last week I've seen Cheap Trick and The Moody Blues (at Birch
Hill and Great Woods respectively). If anyone cares, let me know. Heck,
I may post reviews if I get bored...
G3 live disc: major disappointment. The only good songs are the last
three and Cool #9. Oh, and Joe, thanks for releasing live versions of
songs you already released live versions of. :P Some of us did buy Time
Machine you know. The Vai stuff is cool, but EJ's set is lacking in any
feel. The guy is just too intent on playing EXACTLY right. The jam
tracks are good, but not great. A substandard memento of an amzing
concert experience.
Scott said:
>I thought I heard your Mom say that,
Oh, that is so evil...:)
And a newbie said:
>OK, I am new to the jam, maybe I should keep my mouth closed, but...
INCOMING!!!!!!!:)
-- _____________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com *************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:23:10 -0400 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Brachett@concentric.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2629 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970612172310.00697108@ee.net>
>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:46:55 -0700 >From: Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net> >Subject: this whole thing... > >OK, I am new to the jam, maybe I should keep my mouth closed, but... >I thought that this was a Dream Theater list, not an I hate/I love >Eternity-X list. I have never heard of them before, and I now have a >pretty good idea of what I think of them. After all of this discussion, >I think that pretty much everyone has formed an opinion by now. Nothing >more that anyone says will change anyone's mind, so... >no offence, but, can we get on with life???
Deidre, welcome to the list!
I understand where you're coming from, but you need to stop and consider a couple of things...for one, we can't just talk about Dream Theater all of the time, as much as we'd like to, we all pretty much know everything about them by now. The second thing about the Ytsejam mailing list, and probably more importantly, is that we're kinda like a family here. If you'd been around here as long as some of us, you might understand the ongoing posts of concern about what happened with Andy and Matt. There is a friendship and alliance amongst many people on this list, and if you remain a part of it and people here get to know you, you might find people are just as concerned for you when something bad happens to/with you.
Don't worry Deidre, the thread will blow over like everything else around here, and you'll learn to skim the content of the 'Jam for stuff you really care about, and if you're like me, you'll figure out that posting a request asking people to stop a thread only gives it more life.
Anyway, welcome to the list. You *WILL* find some very useful information in here from time to time, so I hope you don't get discouraged. If it wasn't for the Ytsejam list, I wouldn't have met John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy last summer, or gotten my DT bootleg (WDATU) autographed by Mike. You'll also find out about shows and clinics before the rest of the world.
seeya 'round, buster http://users1.ee.net/buster http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:23:53 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Big Mouth Message-ID: <199706122123.OAA00961@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, gra@provida.no said: > >I've been paying some attention to the Eternity-X thread, and it seems like >Keith isn't the only guy who didn't think before Send. It looks like Andrew >and Matthew or whoever released a private mail on the jam didn't think of >the consequences .... > >Andrew and Matthew it's too fucking late for your sorry asses to apologize, >the word is out ...... > >-.profile > >
FLAMBE!!! Bait that is...
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:31:23 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Professionalism Message-ID: <199706122131.OAA01032@gms.gmsnet.com>
OK... speaking of musician professionalism... (we will exclude me since I'm not a musician or reserve my flames for internal combustion).
Matt Guillory is one fuckin cool d00d... From Chaos Theory... and just to let you in on it... they just got signed by Magna Carta...
I can't wait for Fates to play the U.S...
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:36:02 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT DT DT DT DT Message-ID: <199706122136.OAA01084@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Francesco Mescino" said: >I haven't been reading the jams, or surfing the web much these past few weeks. >My co. has been experiencing network problems.
Bah, we don't like excuses here... ;)
> >I'd like to know: >When is there next album coming out? >What's their tour schedule?
They broke up and are now all playing in Chemical Brothers like bands... oh wait, that isn't a band per say...
ok... READ THIS BEFORE ANY OF YOU NEWBIES OR VETERANS ASK THIS AGAIN!
DT is IN the studio... preproduction... recording, whatever... The album comes out in the fall, no solid date yet... that I know of anyways.
The album hasn't even come out and you're asking about tour...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:17:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: "J.P.Cornelissen" <J.P.Cornelissen@inter.NL.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: message for Olaf Bode Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970613011616.16648F-100000@hatert.nijmegen.inter.nl.net>
Hi Olaf,
I don't know your e-mail adres, so I'm trying to get into contact with you via the Ytsejam mailing list, since somebody told me you're a regular poster there. Please e-mail me. JOOST
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: PT and DOW Message-ID: <01IJZVO2U0028ZE987@LTU.EDU>
Hey there, anyone else not get any CD's yet? And for those who have, how are they?
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:30:16 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: non-prog CD reviews Message-ID: <B0000123011@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 07:52 AM 6/12/97 -0700, Al B wrote:
> 2.) Shootyz Groove - Respect > A live EP from early 90's of this band, which reminds > me alot of Rage Against the Machine and the DefTones(a kick-ass > band) - rap mixed with heavy guitar riffs and funky drum beats. > Very neat album, but only 5 songs.....worth the $3 I bought it > for......
Cool, I'll check em out. Also, see if you find Screaming Headless Torsos in the bargain bin. I found the CD there and it was my best buy of the year so far. I call em a progressive rap band. Killer percussionist + a drummer, awesome vocalist/rapper, and super funky guitar player. It's a 5/5 stars in my book.
> I know I bought 3 other CDs, but I don't remember off-hand > what they were........about 3/4's of you have probably skipped > to the next message anyway by now.... :P > > > Hope this interested at least some of you....I wouldn't dream > of writing all this from work for naught! :) yeah, right....
Yeah, that was cool Al. Now do me a favor next time, save your money for next CD purchases and pay back Pat. Ok? Pretty please?
Walter.
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:30:42 -0400 From: ladyheather@juno.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rudess and Morgenstein Clinic in July Message-ID: <19970612.193043.3526.0.ladyheather@juno.com>
In the beginning of July "Kurzweil Presents: Jordan Rudess, Rod Morgenstein & the K2500" At Guitar Center in Danvers Mass
Knowing you guys...you already know that though :P
-LadyDragon (anyone coming to see me introduce Dokken next week?)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:50:28 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Subtlerage, Chaos Theory, DTC!!!!!! Message-ID: <199706130051.RAA00852@odin.ax.com>
> What's the URL for Andy's music again? :)
Trust me, this stuff is great. :) It's about 1/2 instrumental and 1/2 vocal. And it's 99% keyboard driven. Also pretty proggy in a lot of places. Did I forget to mention it's great? :)
> Matt Guillory is one fuckin cool d00d... From Chaos Theory... and > just to let you in on it... they just got signed by Magna Carta...
Yah, no shit he's kewl! Corresponding with him through e-mail, he was real friendly and professional, and even sent me a free demo. Knowing these guys are signed makes me feel all funny inside. :) BTW, these guys rock, if anyone hasn't noticed. :)
I saw this in the paper the other day and found it kind of interesting...
NEW YORK CITY (AP) - John Petrucci (guitar player for the musical quintet "Dream Theatre") has been suspended from recording for 2 weeks and fined $15000 for the comment, "I just can't get in sync with this (expletive) ingrown toenail. And you can quote me on that." Report is he's due to give a public apology to toenails worldwide. Broadcast time has not been revealed as of press time.
Jack Stotzman, a podiatrist in Pullman, Washington was stated as saying, "I see several patients with ingrown toenails coming in and out on a daily basis, and never have I seen such an aggressive attitude towards one. Most people deal with them, but this blatantly ignorant, discriminatory attitude is uncalled for."
Sarah Bradford of the National Ingrown Toenail Association of America (NITAA) demanded the apology and requested Mr. Petrucci's enrollment in a toenail rehabilitation clinic.
Mr. Petrucci was also quoted as stating, "Toenails are a pain in the ass. Why the hell do I need them? All they do is rip holes in my socks." The comment sparking commandments for stricter penalties to be handed out.
Fellow bandmate Mike Portnoy stated, "I had no idea John (Petrucci) was so prejudiced against his toenails. We often wondered why he never would talk about them." Bass player John Myung refused to comment on the subject.
Apparantly, his comments seem to have sparked a group of anti-toenail revolutionaries to lay siege on a podiatry clinic outside of Hayden Lake, Idaho. The ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Administration) has been called in to correct the problem.
Now back to our regularly scheduled jamming... KorgX3 ibanez@cyberhighway.net "I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offense against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face." - Mandorallen, Baron of Vo Mandor
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