YTSEJAM Digest 2646
Today's Topics:
1) Rush @ Great Woods
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
2) Future Perfect
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
3) Rahhhhh!!!!!!
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) E'damn'nuff With These Acronyms Already!!!!
by "James R. McKenzie" <JRMCKENZIE@PDN.NET>
5) Re: are all dead people geniuses?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: Rahhhhh!!!!!!
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
7) Absolutely almost NDTC. =)
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
8) Re: Rahhhhh!!!!!!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) These lame questions (no offense)
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
10) Ytseshit
by eckie@asu.edu
11) lamps, enchant again
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
12) Re: are all dead people geniuses?
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
13) the RR guitar thread... no megadeth content!!
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
14) A comment or three about Satch/Rhoads/Vai et al
by Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:21:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush @ Great Woods
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970617191903.155B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
Hey, gang. We're less than a week away from the Rush show at Great Woods.
I will be there (no big surprise, it's less than 7 hours away :). If
you're going to be there, send me an e-mail, so we can maybe get together
before or after the show for some food or cheap booze or something.
(Same thing applies for anyone going to Rush on 6/28 in Montreal or Rush
on 6/30 in Toronto, too.)
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:12:22 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Future Perfect
Message-ID: <199706180012.RAA07241@main.cfmc.com>
(Adam catching up on his e-mail...it's been a busy workweek, thus far)
>From: Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
>
>just a question here. I have heard both of them described as genius,
>but Rhodes more often than Satriani. Has anyone stopped to think that
>there is a pattern here? It seems to me that when a large amount of
>people examine two musicians, one living, and one dead... The dead one
>is usually the one labelled most often as "genius". Had Satriani died,
>and Rhodes lived... Who knows.DK
Nail. Head. Boom.
Randy Rhoads was great, but Satriani's greater, I'd say. And Satriani seems
to be labelled a "genius" about as often as any guitarist south of Segovia.
>From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
>
> Vai's success with Roth's band was quite notable. But when Surfing with
>the Alien came out a year and a half later, EVERYONE sat up and took
>notice. To Vai's credit, a similar reaction was achieved with the
>release of Passion and Warfare, but that was four years later. Again, as
>Swifty said, try to see the historical perspective. An instrumental
>guitar album had never been as successful as Joe's Surfing album. Vai's
>work on the Roth albums was really no step further from the Rhoads and
>Halen camps of songwriting.
Well, I think the Roth records are radically different than the Ozzy albums,
compositionally. They are similar to the Van Halen records, but we ARE
talking about the same guy singing on top of them. Aside from that, as a
bassist, I hasten to add that Vai wasn't the only one bringing in tunes for
the Roth records. "Shy Boy," for example, was an old Talas tune.
>From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
>
>Satch: 1987-1994. During this time he released a groundbreaking
>instrumental album in "Surfing With the Alien," pushing the horizons even
>further with 1989's "Flying in a Blue Dream", and saw his popularity rise
>even further with 1992's "The Extremist". By the time Joe released "Joe
>Satriani" in 1995, his popularity and mass appeal was declining, though he
>remains one of the most influential and popular guitarists around -- a
>"musician's musician," if you will.
>
>In contrast, Vai was relatively obscure (again, IMHO) for years before
>reaching relative success. Playing with Zappa, releasing an album
>("Flex-Able") which went nowhere, and doing soundtracks ("Crossroads") and
>other oddball stuff. His own rise to prominence and "guitar-god" status
>began with 1990's "Passion and Warfare"....
I don't actually agree with the Vai chronology. The above Roth records
really focused an audience on his work, I'd say. And I'd argue that Zappa
was the one who brought him to the musician's community. "Passion and
Warfare" was the analog to "Flying in a Blue Dream," I'd say, an album
released by a great guitarist at the height of his powers, at a time when
the world was most willing to listen to guitar records. Vai wasn't knocking
on the door, he was releasing a record that had been clamored for by a
reasonably large listening public.
With respect to Satriani, I WOULD agree that the height of his popularity
was right around "Flying in a Blue Dream," but I WOULDN'T say that there's
been a large or steady descent into less popularity. Basically, he's been
consistently able to sell out fairly big halls and been able to sell
records, but, as I mention above, the market for guitar albums has shrunk a
little, and I'd say that's affected Satch's fan base a little. That having
been said, it looks to me as though his popularity has stabilized somewhat.
>Excuse me? "Surfing with the Alien" was not only the first instrumental
>album to get heavy recognition and airplay, but also helped to kickstart
>the guitar music movement and get guitarists the recognition they deserved
>as true musicians. And "Flying in a Blue Dream" is, quite simply, one of
>the best albums ever. High-flying, powerful, moving and envelope-pushing,
>that one is definitely "remarkable and unforgettable."
Yes. I absolutely, positively, 100% agree with this.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
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1. Rush: Power Windows
2. Accomplice: Accomplice
3. Tori Amos: Little Earthquakes
4. Massive Attack: Blue Lines
5. John Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:09:37 -0400
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rahhhhh!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199706180009.UAA14229@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi :)
Lesse what comes from Skadz's bag o tricks this time:
Jeremy P. Kube said:
> I have wondered for the last few months what consensus of
> fellow jammers was on the subject of who was better, Kevin or Derek?
Die :P If you wanna give this guy your opinion, send it to him in
private email, I don't want this on the list *AGAIN*
WhiteWolf said:
> Spoken with true eloquece and class, Chris...really. Correct
> me if I'm wrong, because I could've sworn we lived in a democracy. You
> know, that little freedom of speech thingy?
How about this for eloquence:
You fucking start a thread about Metallica or free speech I'm
gonna throw you the fuck off the list so fast you won't know what
happened.
(i beatcha d :)
D-Dorq wrote:
> I don't make the rules here.
No, I do :P
Ack! wrote:
> What do I have to do to unsubscribe???
You need to come to Boston and find me. If you succeed at that, then
we move to the next step. If you are a guy, there will be much free
beer drank by me, if you are a cute chick, there will probably be sex
involved. Or else you could just read the fucking FAQ
(http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html)
Pat Griffin wrote:
> This *is* democracy, and you have the right to not give a shit what
> Chris and I think, but in *this* country, Skadz is the president, and
> if you don't listen to what he says, you will be exiled.
YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BOYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Graham wrote:
> My jugs are only 34B, but thanks for the compliment anyway.
/me glances seductively at Graham ;)
Wacky wrote:
> Okay, try this one on for size:
>
> There is a room with three lamps in it. There are three switches
> outside the room, each of which turns on one of the lamps. You cannot
> see into the room at all from where the swithes are. You are only
> allowed to enter the room once. Your job is to figure out which
> switch turns on which lamp. How do you do it?
Kick the shit out of the guy who sent it to the ytsejam mailing list
because this is a MUSIC list, not a brain teaser list? =) (that goes
for you too mr. bahr :P)
LJ Hartman wrote:
> in my office refers to them as FMB's (Fuck Me Boots). I'd have to
> agree.
And the exact problem with that is.........????
Jon Parmet wrote:
> Just a point of clarification. This is not _a_ DREAM THEATER
> list. This is _THE_ DREAM THEATER list :)
And I am god here (well except for 5 other guys, (well 6), but only
one of them has ever emailed me and it had NOTHING to do with the
list)
Tree501307@aol.com wrote:
> PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THESE
NO :P
Muahahahahahha
And last, the new MegaDeth album ==>
So far, pretty fucking good :)
Skadz
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:59:59 -0400
From: "James R. McKenzie" <JRMCKENZIE@PDN.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: E'damn'nuff With These Acronyms Already!!!!
Message-ID: <33A7330F.5C83@PDN.NET>
Are We All Getting So Damn LAzy WSe Can't Even Type Out Full Phases Or
Words Anymore?! It's Almost Like A Little Slice Of 1984 With All These
Acronyms. Anyone Felt Like Typing ++GOOD (DOUBLEPLUSGOOD) When You
Really Like Something Yet? If Your Too Busy To Type You Should Be too
Damn Busy To Read Too. Really The English Language Is Odd Enough With
Any help (I Aught To Know, I've Been Slaughtering It For 3 Decades) And
Just Explaining The Damn Things To People Who Aren't Familiar With Them
Takes Any Time You Might Have Saved Anyway. Maybe I Sound A Bit Extreme
But Really, How Much Time Does It Take To Type These Things Out Anyway?
That's My No Sense Worth
James R. McKenzie
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:07:01 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: are all dead people geniuses?
Message-ID: <199706180107.SAA03291@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well,
I would put Matheos and Moore up on the genius pedastal, and they aren't
dead... I don't know Sherinian, he hasn't had time to flex his musical
muscle yet, we'll give him time...
WARNING: These aren't opinions, these are the words of God.
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% *$%&%#$* Global Micro Solutions #$#$#@@# *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ #$@#$#@# http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal @#$@##@$------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:07:27 -0500 (CDT) From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rahhhhh!!!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970617200447.14225A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Ryan P. Skadberg wrote:
> > What do I have to do to unsubscribe??? > we move to the next step. If you are a guy, there will be much free > beer drank by me, if you are a cute chick, there will probably be sex > involved. Or else you could just read the fucking FAQ
umm... isn't that a little redundant? or is this another "special april fools" faq that contains questions like "on a scale of 1-10 how is the list owner in bed?"
id - who, incidentally, doesn't own a bed... :)
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:48:05 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Absolutely almost NDTC. =) Message-ID: <3368D755.14AAA4D5@geocities.com>
Hey there,
I'm one of those guys who weren't here when Mike Bahr released his first CD's, so I had to go to James Arin to get my copies. =) I received them today, and they're all great ("they" are Acoustic Dreams, Subconscious and Antiquities). James work is very good, the sound is great, and if you're dying to have a copy of those, but doesn't care for them not being the "originals", I reccomend James. Ah, and he's also been a very nice guy, having to stand my mails every time bitching at the post office here, cause the money order didn't arrive... =) Now, all I have to wait is until Mike's "Precious Things" hits my mail box! =)
Can't wait to have some time to buy new Megadeth and G3 albuns!!! -- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:37:21 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rahhhhh!!!!!! Message-ID: <199706180137.SAA03576@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, alex fraser said: > >umm... isn't that a little redundant? or is this another "special april >fools" faq that contains questions like "on a scale of 1-10 how is the >list owner in bed?" > >id - who, incidentally, doesn't own a bed... :)
ID, he who likes to do it on the kitchen table, or lawn... wait, isn't that part of the fucking FAQ??
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:39:36 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: These lame questions (no offense) Message-ID: <199706180140.SAA08941@odin.ax.com>
> There is a room with three lamps in it. There are three switches > outside the room, each of which turns on one of the lamps. You cannot > see into the room at all from where the swithes are. You are only > allowed to enter the room once. Your job is to figure out which switch > turns on which lamp. How do you do it?
How many Ytsejammers does it take to change a lightbulb? KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets ibanez@cyberghighway.net "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:49:00 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytseshit Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970617183723.10606A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Does anybody have any desire to code a game like Frogger? I'll do the art work if necessary, but I'm not lookin' for a profit on this one, since it would only appeal to ppl on lists like this one....
P R O G G E R
Yeah! You'd be able to pick one of many many prog rockers, and even maybe create your own, dodging toenails, record execs with guns, and Kurt Cocaine clones to get to the studio! You'd even have a "progressive" landscape, changing every so often, along with speed changes! Maybe even give each prog rocker their own special powers....
Actually, how 'bout a Street Fighter knock off with rock stars? Hmmmm....
And as far as Spice Girls touring with DT....HELL YEAH! I'm always ready for tits and axe! Bring 'em on! Speakin' of tits, the girls have a new video...it's some song about havin' sex...I think the title's "When 2 become 1". I wish I was the cow that thier skirts were made of sometimes. Did anybody else catch this vid? I'd like to get my hands on a Spice video compilation personally....
I really like Posh Spice...
James Labrie- Puffy Progger John Myung- Silent Progger Mike Portnoy- Wild Progger Derek Sherinian- Straight Progger
and finally,
John Petrucci- Scary Progger
Fight For Freedom, Fight Authority, Fight Anything, My Country tis of ME! -Megadeth, "FFF" from Cryptic Writings
~Eckie needs a job
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:49:09 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: lamps, enchant again Message-ID: <199706180250.UAA16926@mailmx.micron.net>
>There is a room with three lamps in it. There are three switches >outside the room, each of which turns on one of the lamps. You cannot >see into the room at all from where the swithes are. You are only >allowed to enter the room once. Your job is to figure out which switch >turns on which lamp. How do you do it?
turn on one of the switches and then leave for a while. turn it off, come back, turn on a different one. go inside the room, the switch that's on goes with the lamp that's on, the switch that was on goes with the lamp that's still warm, and the switch that you didn't touch goes with the cold bulb.
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Ok i hope someone responds to this. In track #3 Pure of Enchant's Wounded, the lead vocalist holds a note (well it's not one note but he still holds it) for 22 seconds. I have hypothesized that this is due to some fancy editing and producing. If it is possible that this boy just has some wicked pipes to hold it that long, please inform me.
woot
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:48:40 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: are all dead people geniuses? Message-ID: <19970617.195415.8622.6.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>..Geniuses Criss Oliva and Randy Rhoads. There's been some talk of >Jimi Hendrix too. Everybody tells you how John Lennon was a genius, >and Janis Joplin, and Jaco Pastorius, and John Bonham, and the road >goes on forever or almost. I think I see the connexion. I don't know >what those people may be up to these days, but sure as hell they >wouldn't be considered geniuses.
I don't think RR is really a genius, but his ability as a guitarist and all the others he influenced (famous and not famous) I don't think can be denied. Same goes for John Lennon; not that he was a brilliant guitarist, but his influence on rock and roll is undeniable and he wrote some great songs. Hendrix did things with an electric guitar that people had never heard or seen before, which to me *is* true genius. John Bonham was a great drummer, just listen to some Zeppelin cds. Is he a genius? That's an individual opinion, I don't think so.
>Haven't you noticed: all geniuses are dead? If somebody like Eddie >Vedder or, say, James Hetfield hit the bucket within a week, in a >year they'd be praised so much that it'd be embarrassing. I'd say >Kurt Cobain was the last example.
I don't want to see the Kurt Kabbom thing start again. But you're right about Hetfield. Although I don't think anyone would be considering him a genius on the guitar though.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:58:42 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the RR guitar thread... no megadeth content!! Message-ID: <19970618025841686.AAA65@bforst.busprod.com>
damnit .. I fought the urge to reply... but I'm weak, so here goes..
Then I saw Vai on Crossroads and was >blown away. The only reason any of my friends or I bought 'Surfing' was >because we were told that Satch was Vai's teacher. We figured, if he >taught Vai, then he must be good. And he is good. But I still don't think >he is/was nearly as legendary as Steve Vai, even if he has put out more or >better material.
Then what makes someone a legend? I get a little ruffled when I hear someone being called a legend when they die prematurely. To me they have to really ave been something extraordinary. And there isn't people who are legends to everyone. Its just that to some people guitarists become legends just because they were the person's main influence.
I bought Passion and Warfare because I heard Vai was Satriani's student. I guess it depends on your exposure. I personally think that only now with "Fire Garden" has Vai really came unto his own as a unique individual guitarist. Passion and warfare was amazing but it was still sounded like he was developing and experimenting with his sonegwriting.
>By the way, if anyone paved the way for all of the instrumental guitar >albums that all started coming out in the mid 80's, it's Yngwie. His >Rising Force album pre-dated all of the other guitarists' albums
I was wondering what people would have thought about Yngwie if he would have died after that recording (i know morbid!, sorry) because then all these expectations of what he would have done "if only.." would have been attributed to him. But we all know he continued...
>Like I stated above, this album didn't break any ground. Yngwie broke the >ground,
well now you get into that area where you ask.. "who broke the ground?" because there is always somebody else before who made way for the next guy. I'm sure there's somebody who could say carry this arguement back to someone like Johnny lee hooker or somebody like that...
>whereas I think Satch's popularity is still just among guitartists.
I would say that most people still have no idea who either are. When people think guitarist its still EVH I'm afraid.
>I own both, and can't recall a lick off either album.
But these albums are ingrained in my head.. I can hum the whole thing through. For me Satriani excelled with melodies and composition.
>But I bet there's not a person out there who can't hum the opening riff to >Crazy Train, and that has nothing to do with Ozzy's vocals.
It has to do with how popular the song was. So whats the point? I bet many more people can hum "teen spirit".
>Also, you may argue that it's only because of Ozzy's >popularity, but I would respond saying Randy was an integral part in >creating Ozzy's popularity.
maybe, but Ozzy was already popular. He became more so with Randy. And even more so after him.
>..so I hope we're not boring >everyone.
Just the non-guitarists I'm afraid. And this is all I have to say here. bruce bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:52:33 -0700 From: Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A comment or three about Satch/Rhoads/Vai et al Message-ID: <33A6F90E.5000FA3C@concentric.net>
I've read all the comments one way or another about who's the greatest guitarist, and who's a genius and who taught who. Now I agree with a lot of comments made about ALL those listed, including Criss Oliva. What I find as interesting is that in every single post, not once was one of Prog music's greatest guitarists ever mentioned.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't our own John Petrucci consider Alex Lifeson one of his big influences? Or was I mistaken (especially after listening to the Working Man tribute album)? Admittedly, Alex does not have the flair of Satch or Vai, but for the role he plays in my personal all time favorite band , he has influenced some of Prog's greatest talents today. His Solo album, Victor, was a huge step for him musically. Instead of being a part of a team effort, he proved that he was more than able to stand alone and do something without Geddy or Neil.
This is just one humble newbie's opinion, but hey, I think I'm allowed to have one, Aren't I? (Frantically searching for the Rule Book - Volume XVII I believe)
Another Gratuitous CD list
1. Rush - Caress of Steel 2. Vai - Passion and Warfare 3. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime 4. Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese 5. Mr. Reality - self titled
And as a bonus selection: Alanis Morrisette - Jagged Little Pill (for the visiting Jammers)
Regards to one and all,
The artist formerly known as Prince . . . Oh wait, that's my alter ego
Brachett
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