YTSEJAM Digest 2647
Today's Topics:
1) Band Progression, DT release date, Megadeth, FNM
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
2) Re: Derek vs. Kevin
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2646
by Tree501307@aol.com
4) Re: Rahhhhh!!!!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
5) Beer (umm...DTC???)
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
6) Satch and Vai...
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2646
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) enlighten me please :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
9) Re: Satch and Vai...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Re: Absolutely almost NDTC. =)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
11) Little girls and other stuff... (Actual DTC!)
by "Nicole R. Stachowicz aka Kirby 8>" <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
12) Re: enlighten me please :)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
13) Re: Rhoads, etc.
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
14) This Guitar Thread
by Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
15) Megadeth ripping of DT toward bottom!
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:30:30 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Band Progression, DT release date, Megadeth, FNM
Message-ID: <33A75656.4D78@nh.ultranet.com>
I wanted to give my .02$ on what was written here, take it as my opinion
only:
n Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Lars Hellsten wrote:
> I'm disappointed at the way DT's music is becoming more "ugly" sounding,
> and I fear they're moving towards a more commercial and contemporary style
> of songwriting, we'll never again see songs as complex and intricate as TTT.
Okay, I can deal with that. Very few of the bands today don't change.
I hate to say it but Metallica is a perfect example. Not that I will
EVER relate Metallica to DT but it was used as an example. Very few
bands that are around today stick with their original format. Images
was a very complicated album, Awake was as well, but on a different
level. <----notice the change. It was darker (not uglier) and more
devoted to the heavier view, JP used a 7 string to "darken" it up.
What I am saying here is that bands change, there is nothing that anyone
but the band can do about it. I am SO excited to know that they are
going more commercial because I want to see the band get the fame and
fortune that they deserve. They are too talented to get stuck in the
underground.
Now the DT release date,
I was at Strawberries tonight (for all of you who don't know who they
are, they are a music store) and a guy was filling out the upcoming
releases board. I asked him a few questions, he volunteered to show me
the "classified" Strawberries list. DT is schedule for late July, early
August. Metallica (for all you fans) is scheduled for Nov. Rush's Live
album is scheduled for an October release.
Now Megadeth
I got the album and it ROCKS!! I am so glad they went back to their
roots. It's nice to hear some down to basics metal/shred. It made my
night.
Now FNM
"Album of the Year" is a rocking good album. It's got all that I wanted
from FNM, less keyboard (because I don't think that band needs it) and
more guitar/metal feel to the album. Very progressive. If you don't
have it, get it.
btw, Motley Crue is out next Tuesday.
That's all, lata, J
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:40:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Derek vs. Kevin
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970617233748.12579B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
What a dumb idea! Nopt to knock ya or anything...but Darek and Kevin have
totally different styles both of which totally accomadate DT perfectly. I
have always been, and always will be a big supporter of Kev...but it's not
fair to either musician, or to DT to try and compare two brilliant people
such as Kev and Derek. Derek has shown us time and time again that he can
pull off the stuff Kev originally did for DT...as did Kev...they both
totally kick ass...DT kicks ass...end of discussion. :)
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^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:43:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tree501307@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2646
Message-ID: <970617233958_-1161114375@emout08.mail.aol.com>
PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THESE!!!
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:46:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
Subject: Re: Rahhhhh!!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970617234613.12579C-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
You all have too much time on your hands 8-P``` hahaha
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^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^
^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^
^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^
^ would have 4 sharps. ^
^ ^
^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^
^ ^
^ Eric Moegling: Manager for "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" ^
^ The Dream Theater Web-Ring ^
^ emoeglin@wezl.org ^
^ ^
^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://opeckie.base.org ^
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:48:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Beer (umm...DTC???)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970617234701.12579D-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
just wanted to say one word for all you jammers...actually a few
words...and I know Skadz will support me in this one...let's all unite
with a Damn cold one...let everything be cool...and there ya go...life is
simple...have a beer...enjoy DT (no beer needed for that one)...there ya
go! Cheers kiddies!
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^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^
^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^
^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^
^ would have 4 sharps. ^
^ ^
^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^
^ ^
^ Eric Moegling: Manager for "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" ^
^ The Dream Theater Web-Ring ^
^ emoeglin@wezl.org ^
^ ^
^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://opeckie.base.org ^
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:50:24 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satch and Vai...
Message-ID: <v02130500afcc8b556a43@[206.149.207.147]>
So I am sitting here just doing the email thing when I think to myself "hey
a new Jam, maybe since I haven't been reading too many I should take a look
at whats up," and what do I find? Something is up! Well of course I have
to voice my opinion on Satch and Vai.
Well to be totally honest I cannot remember whom I heard first, whether it
be Satch or Vai. I remember seeing "The Audiance Is Listening" on MTV and
saying "cool!" But I also remember my guitar playin friend introducing me
to "Surfing With The Alien" and my saying "cool!" But does which came
first really matter? No it does not. I will first tell you that what of
their stuff I own and listen to:
Tape - Passion & Warfare - Vai
CD - The Extremist - Satch
CD - Time Machine - Satch
Tape Copy - Sex & Religion - Vai
Tape - Dreaming #11 - Satch
Tape Copy - Flying In A Blue Dream - Satch
I think this is everything. Now in all honesty I listen to Satch a whole
lot more than Vai. It is not even funny how much play time the Live CD of
Time Machine gets and how many times I have put Satch's stuff on mix tapes
for friends. I just get a whole lot more emotion out of Satch's work than
I do out of Vai's. Most of the time when I end up listening to Vai it is
because I am looking through my tapes and I see it and say to myself "whoa,
haven't listened to this in a while!" While Satch's stuff get's a whole
lot more rotation than Vai's.
Now as to their playing... Firstly I think they are both some of the best
guitarists out there today. I think Vai has foresuredly pushed the
envelope and all boundries when it comes to his music. I have never heard
a guitar make the sounds it does in his hands in any other person's hands.
Satch is a different animal entirely, sometimes I wonder if the sounds I am
hearing are emanating from a guitar, like Vai, but most of the time I am
too busy just being blown away by the sheer emotion and power of the music.
I would like to make one last comment though about teacher/student
relationships. I do not think that comparing the teacher's and the
student's abilities and such is the most intelligent things to do. I see
the relationship of the teacher and the student like this - the teacher
gives the student some or all of what he knows and then the student does
what he can with it, like a master taking on an apprentice. The master
teaches, the student learns, then he becomes a journeyman practicing and
refining his studies until finally he is a master and the proccess begins
again. I don't know how well known this fact is, but Vai was not Satch's
only amazing student. There was another, a guy by the name of Kirk Hammet,
maybe you have heard of this band he has been in for a while, they are
called Metallica. Now, I for one think that Kirk is a virtuoso in many
sorts, and especially in that of the guitar solo, but I would like to point
out what this shows about Satch. He truly must be a Master if he could
have produced two such amazing Journeymen. And a Master is a Master
forever no matter what anyone says.
-Shane
PS: Anyone have any comments on "Cryptic Writings," Megadeth's new one? I
had heard it was suppossed to be Rust part two, but it is not. This
doesn't mean it is bad though, it just means it is going to take a few
listenings to get into!
I saw you, Walt Whitman, childless, lonely old grubber, poking
among the meats in the refrigerator and eyeing the grocery boys.
I heard you asking questions of each: Who killed the pork chops?
What price bananas? Are you my Angel?
"A Supermarket In California"
- Allen Ginsberg (1926-1997)
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:13:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2646
Message-ID: <199706180413.AAA13998@umbc9.umbc.edu>
>LJ Hartman wrote:
>> in my office refers to them as FMB's (Fuck Me Boots). I'd have to
>> agree.
>And the exact problem with that is.........????
When did I say I had a problem? :)
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:13:30 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: enlighten me please :) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970617211328.007df7c0@postoffice.syspac.com>
Okay, what the heck does "[]'s" mean? I see it at the end of several people's posts, and I dunno what it is. I studied chem this past year, and to me [] means concentration :) Danke. Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:26:37 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Satch and Vai... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970617212632.007e8b10@postoffice.syspac.com>
>I don't know how well known this fact is, but Vai was not Satch's >only amazing student. There was another, a guy by the name of Kirk Hammett,
If memory serves me correctly, didn't he also teach Alex Skolnick and Jeff Turner?
>PS: Anyone have any comments on "Cryptic Writings," Megadeth's new one? I
bad boy! You haven't been reading your jams! ;)~
>had heard it was suppossed to be Rust part two, but it is not.
I see it as the best of the past three albums put together with some of Marty Friedman's solo efforts. Megadeth did what they do best, then they made it even better :)
Any one else think Mustaine sounds like a chic when he sings the first verse of "Vortex"? :) "...personali...teeees"
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:28:19 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Absolutely almost NDTC. =) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970618022311.9529A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> Can't wait to have some time to buy new Megadeth and G3 albuns!!!
I'm really sad. Today I went to every single fuckin' store at Morumbi Shopping and couldn't find this fuckin' "Criptic Writings" CD. I'm really pissed... Anyway, can someone send a review of this new Megadeth album???
I saw the video for "Trust" and it sounds like a "Countdown to Extinction" song. And people were saying that it would be a mix of "Peace Sells" with "Rust in Peace". I don't know about the other songs, but this one is not that heavy.
But as I said earlier, I would greatly appreciate a review of this album (if more than one person can give the reviews, better).
Thanks in advance, Roger...
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:37:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz aka Kirby 8>" <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Little girls and other stuff... (Actual DTC!) Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970618002751.13060C-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Skadz - I was crying after I read your post. I bow to your greatness! ;)
About the DT tour bands, a lot has been said about the Spice Girls <my personal opinion withheld b/c it doesn't make a whole lot of difference anyway>, but no one has mentioned Eternity-X & all the controversy that was on the jam last week. Any thoughts? (DO NOT start a huge flame war over this, pls. :)
One final thing, my fiance (husband Saturday... oooohhh!! ;) was digging thru the cd's at Half Price Books, and he came across "Hands of Time" by Kingdom Come. (Personal review: kind of like pop heavy rock... it's ok, but it doesn't rock my nonexistant nads, if ya know what I mean.)
ANYway, we noticed that the girl on the cover looked remarkably like the girl on the I&W cover. Does anyone know if she's the same girl? I really would like a reply, if possible. Btw, the Kingdom Come cd came out in 1991, and (of course) I&W in '92.
Later! -Nicole S./Kirby
T - 3 days and counting... and the caterer booked 2 weddings at the same time in the same room. WHY did it have to be MINE?!? I smell lawsuit!
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:43:27 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: enlighten me please :) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970618023904.9529B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Vincent G. LuPone wrote:
> Okay, what the heck does "[]'s" mean? I see it at the end of several > people's posts, and I dunno what it is. I studied chem this past year, and > to me [] means concentration :)
I don't know about the countries with origins such as the USA ("Anglo-saxoes", but I'm really sorry that I don't know how to say this in English), but here in countries with Latin roots (I'm in Brazil), it is very usual to wish "hugs" to someone at the time of goodbye. Well, so "[]s" is a short for "hugs".
Is it usual in the US, for example, do wish "hugs"? Or is it common only when you are very familiar with the person? Nice to know different cultures...
[]s :-), Roger...
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:08:23 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rhoads, etc. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618000823.006932a8@autobahn.mb.ca>
>Whoa! I guess your cable system sucks worse than TKR in New Jersey! :) > Who needs cable with a satellite dish?
>No. Randy RHOADS (notice the spelling) only played on Blizzard of Ozz, >Diary of a Madman, and Tribute. Tribute is a live album released in ~1986, >but the live recording was from 1981 (Cleveland) with Randy. If you need >more info on any of these releases, contact me privately at kai@fore.com > With Ozzy, yes. However, Randy formed the original Quiet Riot in 1974, and released 2 albums on the CBS Japan label in 1978 & 1979 with them. The live Tribute recordings were from somewhere in Canada in 1981. Kevin DuBrow re-released and remastered some songs in 1994. Supposedly, they have enough material for another volume, plus a video compilation. I already have 2 hours of video bootleg of Randy, as well as 4 audios, and Randy shines on all of them.
>Oh yeah, WW asked who Stuart is: He's the fat kid on the Beavis & >Butthead cartoon that always wears the Winger T-Shirt. > I wouldn't know...I never watch it.
>Does a guitarist have to be dead to be considered a great? I agree with. >Randy being one of the all-timers, but Criss Oliva? There's sooooo > Only my opinion...don't crucify me for it, like Pat seems to love to do.
>You fucking start a thread about Metallica or free speech I'm >gonna throw you the fuck off the list so fast you won't know what >happened. > God, don't you read? I said I've only been here a month and a half, after a 2 year absence...I totally missed out on any previous thread. I don't intend to start a thread on anything, nor say another word about it.
>[About listening to various styles] >Then why are you getting on people's cases about what they listen to? > I think there's room for good music of all stripes. I don't have to like it, though. And no more shots from me about other music.
>[About Alanis] >Maybe not in so many words, but the implication is still there. The way >your post came across sounded like "You shouldn't listen to Alanis if you >like DT, she's a talentless bitch and if you DO listen to her, then you >are a moron." I have the jam with the post, want to see it? > If it sounded like that...sorry. I never meant to imply anything remotely like that.
>I'm not pissed at you for not liking Alanis, or not liking rap, or >thinking Metallica sold out, what bothers me is your my-opinion-is-better >-than-yours attitude. You aren't the only one around here with that >attitude, you're just the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. >The only reason this correspondence is on the jam in addition to in >private email is because there are a lot of people on here who seem to >think that their's is the only opinion that matters. When people sit back >and tell others that they suck because they listen to certain music, it >irritates me, because everyone sees things differently. > That's true, but my opinion is better that yours attitude? Where do you get that from? When did I say someone sucked because of the music they listen to?
>The problem is too many people around here state opinions like they are >facts. 9 times out of 10 you will see "Metallica sold out," or "Alanis >sucks;" instead of "I think Metallica's newest CD was a poor effort on >their part and produced just to appeal to a wider group and make more >money instead of staying true to their music," or "I don't care for >Alanis' musical style." The bottom line is Alanis does not suck. I don't >like her music, but that doesn't mean she sucks, it just means that the >music she produces doesn't do anything for me. Obviously some people >think she *doesn't* suck because she's making money off of her CD. > Quick to rise, quick to fall. And yes, I agree with your statement.
>> Gee, Chris seemed really nice when I met him in irc. > >Chris *is* a really nice guy. > >> Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and so are you. Never once did I say anything to the contrary. >
>I hate to beat this Alanis thing to death but (joke or not) "What's a >ytsejammer doing listening to Alanis?" sounds one hell of a lot like >you're saying their opinion of what music *they* like is wrong... > As I said before, I'm sorry if it came off as sounding like that. Believe me, it started as a joke and I never wanted it to go that far.
>> Perhaps, I'll just casually slide over to the other 2 mailing >> lists after Lines In The Sand is released...on my own accord, of course. >> Maybe there, my DT opinions might mean something. > >*What* DT opinions? You have practically had a post in every jam for the >last month, and I can count the number of DT opinions in them on one hand. > Yeah, but every time I do, they get ignored.
>> And to think I was actually going to attend the next Ytsecon. Whew...thanx >> for preventing me from making a colossal mistake. > >You're welcome, I'm sure the rest of the YC IV attendees will thank me >too. :) > Exactly, so why even bother...
>Seriously, you're welcome at Con IV, and you're welcome on the >list, just stop trying to make your opinion the American standard. 90% of
Yeah, sure. Thanx, but no thanx. I am not trying to make my opinion any standard. I'd like to know where you got that from. But no, don't bother.
=================================== Open your eyes...and your mind will follow. ===================================
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 05:53:12 +0000 From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This Guitar Thread Message-ID: <19970618055310.AAA9156@LOCALNAME>
I'm not going to bother replying to individual quotes because this post would fill an entire Jam. I cannot believe some of you are trying to say that any of the awesome guitarists mentioned in this thread (Steve Vai, Joe Satriani and Randy Rhoads) are more inspirational and greater than another. One may inspire you more than another, but I doubt you represnt the whole guitar playing public.
Each guitarist carved his own niche in the guitar world. There is no statistic to measure who is a better guitarist like homeruns do in baseball or goals do in hockey. After all genius is in the eye of the beholder. Briefly, here is what I think each guitarist contributed.
Randy Rhoads- He fused traditional classical playing styles with modern heavy metal techniques. Joe Satriani- He combined the hummable element of pop music with fretboard wizardry. Steve Vai- He mixed the sonic bombast of Eddie Van Halen with the virtuostic flash of Yngwie Malmsteen.
In case you guys have not noticed, each of these guitarists was or is an innovator in the guitar field. Each deserves his own accolades without the comparison of who is more of a genius. Vai should be recognized for his work on his albums, not the fact that Satriani was his teacher. If you guys are going to praise someone, let that person have the limelight all to himself.
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:05:40 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeth ripping of DT toward bottom! Message-ID: <199706180606.XAA11751@odin.ax.com>
> This is just one humble newbie's opinion, but hey, I think I'm > allowed to have one, Aren't I? (Frantically searching for the Rule > Book - Volume XVII I believe)
Actually it's in Volume 15. 16 is just barely being published. Look in Volume 15, chapter 22, section 5.54c, and you will find it states as follows...
5.54c. (Accumulation of Opinions for Newcomers to the Ytsejam Mailing List) - Newcomers to the Ytsejam Mailing List under the power vested by the System Administrator*(see editor's note) are allowed one humble opinion per week. Expression of more than one (two or more) opinions are hereby inadmissable and are subject to contraversy at any other participant's descretion. Upon attaining veteran status (re:Vol.IX, Chapter 11, sec 1.0b) it is assumed that the participant is capable of understanding the limitations of his/her own opinion on the mailing list and that all opinions are subject to contraversy pending the discretion of fellow participants, be him/her a Newbie (re:Vol.IX, Chapter 12, sec 1.0b), Veteran, or System Administrator.
*(Ryan P. Skadberg (Skadz) is System Administrator at the printing time of this volume)
> Ok i hope someone responds to this. In track #3 Pure of Enchant's Wounded, > the lead vocalist holds a note (well it's not one note but he still holds > it) for 22 seconds. I have hypothesized that this is due to some fancy > editing and producing. If it is possible that this boy just has some wicked > pipes to hold it that long, please inform me.
Actually he does a real kewl trick there. He holds the note until the feedback drowns him out, takes a 2 second break and jumps back in to drown the feedback out. Reminiscent of some of the spine-tingling David Gilmour/saxophone meltaways in old Pink Floyd stuff. (Not as spine-tingling as Terminal Frost which is the mother of all rock instrumentals IMO, yes, even better than the Ytsejam)
BTW, does anyone know of anyplace I might order "Time Lost" seeing as how I have no Qlew as to where to look? Enchant is definitely my new favorite band.
The new Megadeth rox. I'm disappointed that the intro to A Secret Place sounds too much like the Sitar part at the beginning of Wherever I May Roam, oh, well. Good album overall. I still like Countdown more, tho. :P
Also, anyone notice how the intro riff to She-Wolf is almost a dead ringer for the rhythm of A Fortune in Lies (listen to the solo snare part in the middle of AFiL to get my point better). It comes almost TOO close. Dave must have good taste after all. :)
> I think this is everything. Now in all honesty I listen to Satch a > whole lot more than Vai.
OK! We're not getting anywhere! They're both great, and play differently, and it only matters whether or not YOU like one or the other, not whether the next guy on the jam does. WE might as well start comparing Kevin and Derek all over again. Comparing them both is like comparing, well, flavors of cheese. Some people like American, Cheddar, Monterey Jack, Swiss, etc... All that matters is that they're the same thing. jeez, a little diversity never hurt anyone. :P Do you like white or wheat? (Don't answer that)
Let's just get together and bash something we can all (God forbid) agree that we dislike. Like ingrown toenails or something. Or vacuum cleaner noise, or plaque... :D
Vince, how do you reply to messages before you receive them? You're freakin psychic or somethin'? :)
Later! KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets ibanez@cyberghighway.net "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet
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