YTSEJAM Digest 2649
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ytseshit
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) Replies
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
3) Ooops - Another Type O (no, not the band)
by gra@provida.no
4) STUFF
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
5) Andre Matos kicks ass.
by Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
6) dream theater
by Nick Matzukis <NickM@edu.co.za>
7) Re: unsubbing
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
8) Looking for D. Ryan Whitaker
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
9) Re: unsubbing
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
10) I want what I want when I want it :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
11) Sure plays a mean guitar...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
12) Re: unsubbing
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
13) Megadeth's progressiveness
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
14) Dio and Iron Butterfly and Yngwie and well, otherstufftoo!
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:57:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ytseshit
Message-ID: <199706181357.JAA09394@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
~eckie wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any desire to code a game like Frogger? I'll do the
> art work if necessary, but I'm not lookin' for a profit on this one,
> since it would only appeal to ppl on lists like this one....
>
> P R O G G E R
>
> Yeah! You'd be able to pick one of many many prog rockers, and even
> maybe create your own, dodging toenails, record execs with guns, and Kurt
> Cocaine clones to get to the studio! You'd even have a "progressive"
> landscape, changing every so often, along with speed changes! Maybe even
> give each prog rocker their own special powers....
hell, if this works, you could even see if some of the 'Jammers
could have some music put in as a soundtrack (Brian Wherry and
Andy Miller? are those two of them?).....
just a thought........
-Al
-- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:14:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Replies Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970618083541.3908A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
> From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
> ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ > ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ > ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ > ^ would have 4 sharps. ^
Wow, the good old days. First the Ivory Gate of Dreams .sig returns, now this... Sig Wars IV: A New Hope
> From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz aka Kirby 8>" <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
> About the DT tour bands, a lot has been said about the Spice Girls <my > personal opinion withheld b/c it doesn't make a whole lot of difference > anyway>, but no one has mentioned Eternity-X & all the controversy that > was on the jam last week. Any thoughts? (DO NOT start a huge flame war > over this, pls. :)
Before this gets *too* out of hand, I should clear something up. DT is *not* touring with Eternity-X, nor are The Spice Girls opening for them. The reason that I said it is *because* of the controversy in the last few weeks... Nicole, you've been here long enough to know better than to believe me about something like that. :)
> From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
[Addressing Skadz] > God, don't you read?
Skadz will love that... although he looks more like Jesus than he does God...
> I think there's room for good music of all stripes. I don't have to like > it, though. And no more shots from me about other music.
[About opinions] > That's true, but my opinion is better that yours attitude? Where do you > get that from? When did I say someone sucked because of the music they > listen to?
I got the attitude from your posts, that's the way that they came across to myself and to most of the people I have talked to about this. As for what you said, I was refering to what your posts implied. That was only an example, I'm talking about something more broad than just bands, I mean any opinions and not just music. And like I said, this isn't just about you, there are a lot of people on here that do it.
> >*What* DT opinions? You have practically had a post in every jam for the > >last month, and I can count the number of DT opinions in them on one hand. > > > Yeah, but every time I do, they get ignored.
I hate to say it, but I think it might be because the *way* you were posting. I would bet there are few people who actually read every jam. In most cases, I think they just skim, I know I do a lot. If there is an interesting thread, I'll read it; if a thread annoys me, I'll skip it. There are exceptions to every rule of course, but that's the way it usually is.
But I know that I - and many others - will also go by *who* posts, and not just the topic. If I see a post by Skadz or Bafu or D-Man, I read it because whether I agree or disagree with what they say, they are usually funny about it and make their point intelligently (with obvious exceptions, of course :).
With that in mind, I wouldn't doubt that a lot of people read your early posts to the jam and decided to skip anything else you post. It's kind of like the little boy who cried wolf; if you post a certain way and annoy people, they stop believeing that you have something to contribute. Either that or the opinions you expressed are like the Metallica thing - recent threads that you just missed and people don't want to rehash.
I really don't want this thread to go on. I'm hoping this is the last time I post about it this time around. I'll be happy to talk to you more in private about it, or on IRC again, but this has progressed to the point that it's personal and doesn't belong on the jam anymore.
Korg wrote:
> Let's just get together and bash something we can all (God forbid) > agree that we dislike. Like ingrown toenails or something. Or > vacuum cleaner noise, or plaque... :D
HEY! I HAPPEN TO *LIKE* INGROWN TOENAILS, AND YOUR POST DEEPLY OFFENDS ME! :)
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:16:09 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ooops - Another Type O (no, not the band) Message-ID: <412564BA.0052ED30.00@oslo1.provida.no>
I fucked up by writing: >>Go into the room with three different color bulbs, put one in each lamp, >>exit the room, and hit each switch. >BTW Scott have been watching TWoO with music from PF! Did you like it ?? [Good god, this makes no sense, who is this guy ???]
The first two lines got stuck from my last C&P, so it should have been:
>Click your heels three times and repeat "There's no place like home!"
..and then my comment wich now is far, far out of date 'cause of my finger twiddeling :)
-.profile
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:39:17 -0400 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: STUFF Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618103917.006914a8@ee.net>
Andrew wrote: > Anyone who says Mike Bahr isn't prompt knows not of what he speaks. My >discs arrived five days after my check cleared. I call that pretty .. >Andrew Forcier
Not true Andrew. *I'm not here to bash Mike at all*, but I must rebuttle your statement. Mike had my check for PT 6 months ago, I just got the disc last week. After 8 emails and 2 phone calls within the past month & a half, I finally got it. Don't tell me what I know.
Eckie wrote: >take it to private email, 'cuz I'm reelin' from the stupidity of it all. >It's all relative in this matter...I listen to Satch more than Vai 'cuz >his songs are more understandible, more powerful. I listen to Vai 'cuz >I'm amazed that a guitar could do that, and I listen to Rhoads 'cuz I'm >into that style of music, and he just happens to kick ass playin' it. >I'm not even gonna attempt to rate these guys, it's ludicrous. And why >hasn't Petrucci's name even popped up in this conversation, ESPECIALLY on >the Dream Theater mailing list, REALLY confuses me!
RIGHT ON ECKIE!!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!!!!
News: OZZFEST DISASTER!!!!!!!!
Ozzfest was SOLD OUT in Columbus Ohio last night, and guess who called in sick......yep, OZZY himself! The crowd went nuts and rioted. They started bonfires on the lawn and started the seats in the amphitheatre on fire, and the rest of the usual riot stupidity.
Well, burning down our only major concert arena in Columbus didn't get Ozzy to show up, but it probably made it so he's not allowed to ever come back. Fuckin idiots. Maybe the guy really was sick!
Seeya, buster http://users1.ee.net/buster http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:35:04 -0300 (EST) From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Andre Matos kicks ass. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970618112314.15244A-100000@POCAHONTAS>
Hey
First I said: > Vocalist Andre Matos' voice may require some > getting used to, but technically he must be at least as good as Michael > Kiske's ever been.
Then... >From: "Davide" <dada@iname.com> >Subject: Angra
>I realy don't think so........basically becouse of two main things >1) Kiske never uses falsetto and Matos uses it a lot or better too often >(he cannot even reach an high C and so e sings like a castrato) >2) Kiske shows one of the greatest modulation ever while Matos' voice is >flat as a surf table
Ok. Kiske is good, but he is not God.And I guess he doesn't have an idea of what a high C (or anything related to musical knowledge) is. Andre Matos is a composer/conductor formed in one good music school from Brazil.I don't know if you know that Andre has been at choirs since he is a kid,hence, he doesn't have to improve his singing. He is a better musician than kiske (in a general sense),and Angra is much better than Helloween (including old stuff).Of course in my opinion. while Kiko and the other guys can play jazz (Kiko is a jazz guitar player too), brazillian music, classic, etc, Helloween only can play Heavy Metal. Very Well, I must admit, but not enough to beat ANgra.
Daniel V.Gomes
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:54:53 +0200 From: Nick Matzukis <NickM@edu.co.za> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dream theater Message-ID: <21DC81A971DED011B0910080ADA7EC030D7F@BRAMLEY1>
Hi there, various assorted ytse-jammers. My name is Nick and I live in Johannesburg,South Africa (not exactly the Prog-rock capital of the world, if ya know what I mean). I think that Dream Theater are the greatest band ever to grace this planet AND I'M HUNGRY FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM!!!! I'm thrilled to be coming to the US during July '97 and would appreciate it if anyone out there could give me any info as to DT happenings during that month (gigs, conventions, clinics, etc). I realise that the band is recording right now, but hey, you never know. My e-mail address is nickm@edu.co.za . Thanx in advance
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:08:21 +0200 From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: unsubbing Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618170821.00623440@thn.htu.se>
>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Ack! <stu3801@westga.edu> >writes: >> >>What do I have to do to unsubscribe??? >
Hey, I know the answer to this one! By reading the same information as you read to subscribe, right? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Henrik Gustafsson H=F6gskolan Trollh=E4ttan/Uddevalla +46 (0)520 - 47 50 49 /fax -99
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 11:30:25 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Looking for D. Ryan Whitaker Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+FvzdnA@tcx.tcco.com>
If anyone knows the email address for "D. Ryan Whitaker", can you email it to me at "cng@tcco.com"
Thanks - sorry for the wasted bandwidth...
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:40:05 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: unsubbing Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970618113337.1285A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Henrik Gustafsson wrote:
> >>What do I have to do to unsubscribe??? > > Hey, I know the answer to this one! > By reading the same information as you read to subscribe, right?
Yeah, there's some guy on the list who has a web page called the FLAQ or PLAQ or something like that. They all say that there's a ton of great information in there, but I dunno, I haven't read it. Rumor has it, though, that SECTION 1.5 has information about unsubscribing. Maybe I'll FIND A HALF AN HOUR DURING LUNCH and peruse this thing, see if there actually is anything important in it.
Disclaimer: This e-mail was free of subliminal SEND D-MAN MONEY messages.
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:58:41 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I want what I want when I want it :) Message-ID: <33A805B1.773C@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Henrik: > At 08:12 1997-06-17 -0700, you [me, that is] wrote: > > I think DT can 'do' commercial tunes better than most. It's > >just another boundary to explore.
> JUST because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you HAVE to!
Perhaps they WANT to! Perhaps a nice side effect will be that they'll raise the bar on commercial and a lot of the chaff will be appropriately removed, allowing me spend my money on heavy metal wheat instead of Metamucil :)
> Give me back the band that made Only A matter of Time ,and Metropolis I
No problem. Any other dreams you'd like me to satisfy? :) The band hasn't left, by the way. It's called growing. Don't like it, start your own movement...
The Force: > In my opinion, the two greatest guitarists ever were Joe Satriani > and Stevie Ray Vaughan.
You're excluding certain genres (like jazz & classical) in making that statement, right? Believe me, I think they are both phenominal players and all that other superlative, boner inducing stuff :) There are, however, several jazz guitarists that come to mind that would eat them for an light afternoon snack :)
By the way, I saw SRV at - of all places - the Newport _Jazz_ Festival shortly before his untimley departure. He closed the last day of the show out. He brought the entire crowd to its feet.
D-mun also attempted to soothe the anxious, sell-out, commercial predicting, DT fans: > I wouldn't worry too much.
What me worry, I wait :)
Kai: > The only reason any of my friends or I bought 'Surfing' was > because we were told that Satch was Vai's teacher.
That's interesting. I had no idea he was his teacher. I simply heard it when it came out and enjoyed it.
Didn't they take one of his songs and use it in a Sony Walkman commercial?
Who was the axeman in Dio? Sherman, set the wayback machine :) As far as a sound goes, Last in Line, Evil Eyes and We Rock predate anything in the 80's that left an memorable impressions on me. But I'm an old fart!
> But I bet there's not a person out there who can't hum the opening > riff to Crazy Train,
Pay up! But I can hum the opening lick to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida. Uh, let's see, that would be 1968, wouldn't it? :)
Atypical Adam: > Anyone wanna work on a Debbie Gibson fan club. But...
No, Adam, I'm sorry, budly. I'd love to back you on this one, but she just does NOT have a six octave range. She most definitely defined the term 'shred' though :)
Re: Geniuses?
I guess I have a slightly different definition of it :) To me, someone like Roland Kirk would be considered, in my book, GENIUS! Blind at the age of two, he learned and performed on more than 40 instruments, some of which he invented himself!!! Look for pictures of him occasionaly playing more than one wind instrument in his mouth at the same time :)
Scott: > Hendrix did things with an electric guitar that people had never > heard or seen before,
Even those _few_ people that were straight at the time :)
> which to me *is* true genius.
Not to mention groundbreaking.
Korgulus: > Let's just get together and bash something we can all (God forbid) > agree that we dislike. Like ingrown toenails or something. Or > vacuum cleaner noise, or plaque... :D
OK, let's get one thing straight right now:
Hoovers simply suck!!! Although it may have been trained by the Hoover, the latest Electrolux model EPM 4000 S4 GT Turbo Convertible has better overall tambre, a higher octave range and requires much less power. There's even a DT preset on it (called Just Let Me Clean :) for cleaning those hard to access areas of the room.
In short: The Electrolux shreds and it is the genius of all vacuums! All other vacuums simply suck!
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
Plectrum? I damned near killed him :)
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:17:55 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sure plays a mean guitar... Message-ID: <199706181616.AA21744@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, eckie said: >And why hasn't Petrucci's name even popped up in this conversation, >ESPECIALLY on the Dream Theater mailing list, REALLY confuses me!
Maybe cause he sucks? Actually, I 'm kidding because I did mention him in my last post on this issue. Emphasis on LAST. :) Tony said: >you must agree that "Alternica" sold out.
And you must agree that this guy should shut the fook up. Either that or start his own list with WhiteWash... Tim on Rush Retro.: >Anyone else get this??? Any thoughts???
I have a thought: a record company's vain attempt to cash in on a band they were stupid enough to let go of. I also have some other thoughts, but they involve Skadz and a bed. No idea where they came from... All right, my last words on this: >So maybe Satriani is more popular than Stevie, but since when does >popularity have anything to do with talent or skill?
Actually, the debate was on influence. But even I'm sick of it now. Can't tell you all to end it if I won't let it die myself though... :P -- _____________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com *************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:24:56 -0500 (CDT) From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: unsubbing Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970618112204.29200A-100000@mari.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, The Digital Man wrote:
> > >>What do I have to do to unsubscribe??? > Yeah, there's some guy on the list who has a web page called the FLAQ or > PLAQ or something like that. They all say that there's a ton of great > information in there, but I dunno, I haven't read it. Rumor has it,
..that there are also a couple of fucking idiots (TM) considering tracking down, if not outrightly inventing, a fucking faq too. or at least, that's what a little bat told me last night on irc... :)
DTC: what's the current hair status of the band? it would shock and amaze me if james didn't keep his hair, but did anyone else go for the mike-bahr-bald look?
hasta ya later, iddybat
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:30:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Megadeth's progressiveness Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970618112404.4441A-100000@scc.net>
>Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 16:03:58 EDT >From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: re: Megadeth / progressive >Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+xiNdnA@tcx.tcco.com> > >| Megadeth? Progressive? You can't be serious. > >Check out "Holy Wars...Punishment Due". It is without a doubt the best >song I've ever heard. Lot of cool shit going on in that song (which is what >progressive music is...in my book).
Ah, but a single progressive song does not a progressive band make...
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:52:31 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dio and Iron Butterfly and Yngwie and well, otherstufftoo! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618125231.00ec9a00@pophost.fore.com>
Jon Parmet wrote some stuff:
>Kai: >> The only reason any of my friends or I bought 'Surfing' was >> because we were told that Satch was Vai's teacher. > >That's interesting. I had no idea he was his teacher. I simply heard it >when it came out and enjoyed it.
That's what I don't understand. Where did you hear it? It's not like the album was heavily promoted or got radio play. Some of you are talking as if that album was so hyped up, that you couldn't have possibly passed it up when it was released. Like I said earlier, if it weren't for 'Guitar for the Practicing Musician', and the name of Steve Vai, I never would have heard of Joe Satriani. Again, that's just me, but I'm having trouble figuring out where all of this so called popularity came from.
>Who was the axeman in Dio? Sherman, set the wayback machine :) As far as >a sound goes, Last in Line, Evil Eyes and We Rock predate anything in >the 80's that left an memorable impressions on me. But I'm an old fart!
That was Vivian Campbell, who rocked on those albums. Anyway, to split hairs, I was only referring to the instrumental guitar movement in the mid 80's (mostly the Shrapnel group - MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, Becker, Freidman, Vai, Satriani) when I argued that Yngwie paved the way long before Vai or Satch. The topic is getting a little stale, but I wanted to clear that up. Obviously there were many great guitarists before Yngwie was ever the lucky sperm who got the egg.
>> But I bet there's not a person out there who can't hum the opening >> riff to Crazy Train, >Pay up!
That's because you killed all of your brain cells before the 80's began. Haha.
>But I can hum the opening lick to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida. Uh, let's >see, that would be 1968, wouldn't it? :)
Hmm, I was -4 years old, when that was released. That must make you, what, about 100. Glad to see that even old people appreciate Dream Theater and Dio.
All of this was written in jest, so no one need be offended. (Do you believe that the jam has gotten to the point where we need to make these kinds of disclaimers?)
KAI
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