YTSEJAM Digest 2652
Today's Topics:
1) Re: are all dead people geniuses?
by Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
2) Riiiiiifffffffsss ;)~
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) RE: Korg's various posts
by Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
4) Satch, Friedman, MacAlpine, Becker, geetarz :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Cruising into a ditch of dead dogs....
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
6) Gratuitous CDs
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
7) Re: Cryptic Limes
by "Prong Bastard" <pbastard@null.net>
8) Influences
by Sam Kim <phanx@erols.com>
9) Re: Influences (DTC!), Phoenix area jammerz.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) whitewolf thanx
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
11) Re: Influences (DTC!), Phoenix area jammerz.
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
12) Love stuff (NDTC)
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
13) White Wolf
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) My apologies
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
15) Re: Influences (DTC!)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
16) Re: Influences (DTC!)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
17)
by "Davide" <dada@iname.com>
18)
by "Davide" <dada@iname.com>
19) White Wolf
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
20) Re:Drunk........... I mean sick, Ozzy
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
21) a-Ha
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:40:53 -0400
From: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: are all dead people geniuses?
Message-ID: <199706190140.VAA138440@osage.gate.net>
>..Geniuses Criss Oliva and Randy Rhoads. There's been some talk of
>Jimi Hendrix too. Everybody tells you how John Lennon was a genius,
>and Janis Joplin, and Jaco Pastorius, and John Bonham, and the road
>goes on forever or almost. I think I see the connexion. I don't know
>what those people may be up to these days, but sure as hell they
>wouldn't be considered geniuses.
>
I beg to differ. Many of the people you mention were actually the
benefactors of heaps of accolades from peers and admirers while they were
still alive. Jaco was considered a madman on bass long before he died.
I don't feel quite as qualified to comment on those people that you mention,
however I have been a fan on both sides of the date of Stevie Ray Vaughan's
death. While he died only shortly after I'd gotten heavily into his music,
I was still witness to the heaps of praise that was placed upon him both
before and after his death. He already attained legendary status before he
died. His death only makes us miss him. God forbid, if your favorite
musician of all time were to purchase property conducive to agriculture
sometime next week, you wouldn't praise their genius any more just because
they're dead.
An interesting footnote : the first "big news" I ever remember hearing about
on TV were the deaths of John Lennon and John Bonham.
-- Elliott Kim -- ekim@gate.net -- e-man@dreamt.org --
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:02:32 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Riiiiiifffffffsss ;)~
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618190230.007eccd0@postoffice.syspac.com>
>The new Megadeth rox. I'm disappointed that the intro to A Secret
>Place sounds too much like the Sitar part at the beginning of
>Wherever I May Roam, oh, well. Good album overall. I still like
>Countdown more, tho. :P
I love it when a metal band can incorporate a sitar into their music.
It's got such an evil twang to it ;) Cheers to Metallica and Megadeth!!
>Also, anyone notice how the intro riff to She-Wolf is almost a dead
>ringer for the rhythm of A Fortune in Lies (listen to the solo snare
>part in the middle of AFiL to get my point better). It comes almost
>TOO close. Dave must have good taste after all. :)
Yeah, but listen to "Perfect Day for a Hanging" by Tourniquet and you'll
find the intro riff to "Mirror" in the bridge. Or listen to Megadeth's FFF
and you'll find it similiar to "Motorbreath" by Metallica. "Phantom Lord"
by Metallica, "Use the Man" by Megadeth, and "This Was My Life" by Megadeth
all share the same chromatic progression in the same key at approximately
the same tempo. So what. I think it's all good :)
>Vince, how do you reply to messages before you receive them? You're
>freakin psychic or somethin'? :)
huh? WTF? heheh, "Use the Force, Luke." ;)~
Um, I'm in ACK mode. Maybe that's it. Sorry dude, not psychic. I'm
Italian, German, Metalhead, and Catholic :) No psychoti....um...psychic
here :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:49:51 -0700
From: Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Korg's various posts
Message-ID: <33A83BDD.BC05F371@concentric.net>
Korg, I like you man. You's funny, Bubba.
DK
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:23:58 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satch, Friedman, MacAlpine, Becker, geetarz :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618192356.007e7100@postoffice.syspac.com>
> KAI on Satch:
>>It's not like the album was heavily promoted or got radio play.
>
>Eh? Surfing with the Alien: Top 40 album. SwtA: Top 40 single. Always
>With Me: Top 40 single. That's airplay to me. And I won't even mention
>the chartings of his later efforts.
...and that's why that album only went Gold, huh?
>>(mostly the Shrapnel group - MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, Becker, Freidman,
>>Vai, Satriani)
>
>The last two were never on Shrapnel (unless Alcatrazz was), but I've
>never heard any of the former four's solo stuff, and I consider myself
>pretty well versed. That's what I would call lack of influence. Name any
>major guitarist's solo work, and I can name at least two songs. Those
>four? None.
WOW! "Well versed" and you've never heard MacAlpine's solo work, or Marty
Friedman's?!! Ever heard of Becker's "Perspectives"? Friedman's "True
Obsessions" is a masterpiece, as is "Introduction", and I have yet to get
"Scenes", but I hear it's excellent as well. Becker and Friedman WERE
Cacaphony, as well. Great speed metal outfit :)
Ya know, I need a good moose reducer.
--- "If it's not Metal, it's crap!!" -some YtsejammerVincent LuPone aka: SilentBob
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:33:51 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cruising into a ditch of dead dogs.... Message-ID: <33A8543F.92A@sprynet.com>
Hi there.
If DT is in the studio right now, don't you think that a late July/early August release date is a bit early? I know we all want to get the new disc but it's no use trying to fool ourselves into believing that it's going to be out in a month and a half. You're only setting yourself up for a disappointment. I'd say a Sept/Oct release is far more likely.
Groovy.
Today I got my Threshold "Extinct Instinct" in. This sucker is pretty cool. It's heavier than their other ones and the old singer is back. One of the better new releases I've heard this year. Weird lyrics though. one line is something like "I am the walrus and you are not"(that's not the exact wording it's something like that). ANyway, i recommend this one to DT fans.
The new Megadeth is cool.
I also got the new Stratovarius "Visions" a couple of weeks back. WOW! This is a good one. These guys are really at the top of their game and I don't think they get the attention they deserve amongst DT fans. The only complaint I have about them are their lyrics...but they're easy to look over because it's just so good. Very listenable disc. What's the deal with the labeling though? My CD lists "Kiss of Judas" as the first track but it's "Black Diamond" and they play Black Diamond again at the end along with a live song (both unlisted). Anyone know what's up with that?
I also got a CD from a German band called Edguy. These guys are pretty standard German Power Metal like Helloween. It didn't really knock me off my feet but it's not too bad. German power metal fans may want to check it out. The productions isn't the best. The CD is "Kingdom of Madness"
I'll stop now. thank you.
Phillip Cool CD of the day: Threshold "Extinct Instinct"
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:30:53 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gratuitous CDs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618193052.007b8100@postoffice.syspac.com>
>Five Gratuitous CD's: >===================== >1. Toad the Wet Sprocket: Dulcinea >2. Stanley Clarke: School Days >3. Miles Davis: Sketches of Spain >4. Rush: Hold Your Fire >5. Reverend: Play God
Ya know, this is pretty f'n cool :) I think I'll start too, but I only have a 3 disc changer ); It's kinda cool to see what other jammerz listen to besides the greatest band in the world :)
Vinnie the WOP :) =========================================== THREE kick-ass discs: 1. MEGADETH: Cryptic Writings 2. FATES WARNING: A Pleasant Shade of Gray 3. GARY HOEY: Bug Alley
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:38:49 -0400 From: "Prong Bastard" <pbastard@null.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Cryptic Limes Message-ID: <199706190239.WAA23018@nu>
I've alwayz wondered if anyone else has noticed this. The beginning of Countdown, the actual song, sounds like the middle part of Ride the Lightning. Just wondering.
Prong Bastard pbastard@null.net
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:01:40 -0400 From: Sam Kim <phanx@erols.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Influences Message-ID: <33A8A107.419D@erols.com>
I hear mention of bands like Yngwie and Symph X as being 'classically influenced' Would DT also be lumped into this category? If not, then what would they be considered? To me, although I know nothing about music, they sound 'different'
Sam
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:03:02 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Influences (DTC!), Phoenix area jammerz. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618210300.007e8ca0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 08:10 PM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >I hear mention of bands like Yngwie and Symph X as being 'classically >influenced' Would DT also be lumped into this category? If not, then >what would they be considered? To me, although I know nothing about >music, they sound 'different'
Jazz musicians trying to play metal... ...or maybe the other way around :)
If you're in the Phoenix area, I za got two za notes for ya:
Great jazz station: 91.5 Fates Warning, Mason Jar, 7/27 :)
Vincent G. LuPone, vgl@syspac.com |============================================| |"Shoot it through your veins, | |masking all your pains" - Obscure | |--------------------------------------------| |"I've seen the man use the needle. | |I've seen the needle use the man." -Megadeth| |--------------------------------------------| |"Obey your master!!" - Metallica | |============================================|
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:15:49 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: whitewolf thanx Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618231549.0068e420@autobahn.mb.ca>
>From: Albert Balkiewicz > A suggestion for TechRat....if you can, print out copies of > the 'Jam and bring them to him as reading material during > his stay at the hospital. I remember when I got into a bad > accident a few years back that the well-wishes and the 'Jam > made my stay at the hospital much easier....... > eric thanx you for the support. i've got my laptop with me in the hospital and will start showing them to him soon.
>From: eckie >Is this serious? Or is this some sick sick way of trying to say "sorry >'bout the bad karma?" If it's real, I'll have him in my prayers. > sorry to say it's real dude. i'm with him now and it's not pretty.
techrat
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:32:07 -0700 From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Influences (DTC!), Phoenix area jammerz. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618213203.00692b28@pop3.concentric.net>
>>I hear mention of bands like Yngwie and Symph X as being 'classically >>influenced' Would DT also be lumped into this category? If not, then >>what would they be considered? To me, although I know nothing about >>music, they sound 'different'
Then Vince wrote: > > Jazz musicians trying to play metal... > ...or maybe the other way around :)
Oh puhLEEEZ. They are anything BUT Jazz musicians. All the Jazz they play, I believe, is rehearsed. That ain't Jazz, my friend. JP couldn't improvise over a Jazz progression to save his life. I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but it's the truth. JP even admits himself that most of the "jams" they play live have the solos worked out for the most part, and if he *does* improvise, it's over very simple changes otherwise he just makes a fool of himself.
And before you (or anybody) starts with "but, but, but they went to Berklee!" I must remind you that JP, JM, and MP were there for ONLY ONE YEAR. Mr. Sherinian, however, might actually be a Jazz musician. I have yet to find out for sure.
They're Rockers who play and write kick ass music. Ask them what they play and they'll tell you Heavy Metal.
Rick Audet Dolby Labs
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 04:35:34 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Love stuff (NDTC) Message-ID: <M.061997.063534.29@wxs4-13.worldaccess.nl>
Thanks for the support guys, sent personally to me. My gf and me have sorted things out again, partly due to stuff you told me. The reactions were heart-warming and inspiring. To the guy who mentioned that I should TALK with my gf: Don't you think I'd already tried that, and was still trying it? I am not *that* much of a geek, you know :-) -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ & Atari ST Emulation FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue." | \--------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: White Wolf Message-ID: <199706190441.AAA00485@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Woah. that is really unfortunate.
Is there anything we can do for him?
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:48:37 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My apologies Message-ID: <33A8BA25.7095@nh.ultranet.com>
I had read via a friend (I couldn't find it in the jams) that Skadz was unhappy with my post about Derek vs. Kevin: See: Die :P If you wanna give this guy your opinion, send it to him in >private email, I don't want this on the list *AGAIN*
I stand corrected and apologetic. I had no idea that this had been so over hashed. I hadn't heard the consensus, and had no idea. I have been on for approximately 600-650 jams. I guess this was discussed before that time. No disrespects Skadz! Sorry! Lata, J
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:16:58 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Influences (DTC!) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618231657.007d81f0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 09:36 PM 6/18/97 -0700, Rick Audet wrote: >Oh puhLEEEZ. They are anything BUT Jazz musicians. All the Jazz they play, >I believe, is rehearsed. That ain't Jazz, my friend. JP couldn't improvise >over a Jazz progression to save his life. I hate to be the one to break it <<<snip>>>
Perhaps I should rephrase: They _sound_ like jazz musicians trying to play metal. I don't mean live jams, I mean on the CDs.
>to ya, but it's the truth. JP even admits himself that most of the "jams" >they play live have the solos worked out for the most part, and if he >*does* improvise, it's over very simple changes otherwise he just makes a >fool of himself.
Him and every other guitarist :) Personally I like soloing over the E-F-G-A-Bb-C type of progression. The scale name escapes me, but it just is sooooo dark and heavy, especially when detuned 1.5 or 2 steps.
Speaking of dark and heavy, I just bought the new Machine Head CD, "The More Things Change". Very cool. Sounds like Sepultura w/ a slightly better singer, better guitar tone, more precise musicianship and songwriting, and the Dave Lombardo (slayer) type of drumming. Heavy f'n CD. /me likes it.
>They're Rockers who play and write kick ass music. Ask them what they play >and they'll tell you Heavy Metal.
Maybe, but I think they'd say "music". :)
>Rick Audet >Dolby Labs
Dolby, eh? How about a REAL noise reducer, huh? ;p I use the Rocktron HUSH (c) noise reduction system in my guitar rig.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:44:51 -0700 From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Influences (DTC!) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970618234447.0068e898@pop3.concentric.net>
Vince Lupone writes,
>>to ya, but it's the truth. JP even admits himself that most of the "jams" >>they play live have the solos worked out for the most part, and if he >>*does* improvise, it's over very simple changes otherwise he just makes a >>fool of himself. > > Him and every other guitarist :)
Except a *real* Jazz guitarist. :)
>>They're Rockers who play and write kick ass music. Ask them what they play >>and they'll tell you Heavy Metal. > > Maybe, but I think they'd say "music". :)
Nope. "Heavy Metal". Check your interviews in the I&W Fanzine. Mr. Portnoy says "Heavy Metal" :)
>>Rick Audet >>Dolby Labs > > Dolby, eh? How about a REAL noise reducer, huh? ;p > I use the Rocktron HUSH (c) noise reduction system > in my guitar rig.
What is that HUSH, anyway? Isn't that just a noise gate or something? If so, try using it to process a movie audio track. Yeah, that outta sound good, huh? NOT! :)
Rick Audet Dolby Labs
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:00:15 +0200 From: "Davide" <dada@iname.com> To: <YTSEJAM@ax.com> Message-ID: <199706190701.JAA15115@iol-mail.iol.it>
If you would like to refute me and claim that so and so can pull up their chest voice effortlesly to a D above tenor C blah-blah-blah I will simply refer you to some literature and texts that further exemplifies what I have tried to summarize and simplify here. So, I hope I've enlightened some and angered none. Yours in music, Denis J. Lanza
I agree perfectly with you...... that was what i wanted to say. I wrote it down in a too short way and i also explain myself wrongly. I quite well trained myself in singing; but english is not my language (I'm italian) and i find hard to explain what i think in tecnical subject like bel canto or so...
That's all
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:11:03 +0200 From: "Davide" <dada@iname.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <199706190712.JAA16597@iol-mail.iol.it>
Now did you have to do this? Exactly what was it in my voiced opinion that made you want to jump on my case? Would you explain to me what justifies your hostility towards me? And no, it's written A-HA. Thank you, I'm off to listen to some more A-HA while I'll unsubscribe.
I didn't want to jump on your case... i just wanted to sound funny, but probably translating from italian to english my sentence lost its hirony. Excuse me.....I wrote it becouse i know that one of Matos' favourite singer is the one form that band and i always found it funny......... no hostility....SOB!
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:17:50 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: White Wolf Message-ID: <19970619.001752.11678.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
I was sorry to hear about White Wolf's accident. Even though I may not agree with what he says that doesn't mean I want him hurt. Please send him my wishes for a speedy and full recovery.
Scott Cook
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:50:23 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Drunk........... I mean sick, Ozzy Message-ID: <19970619.001752.11678.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>News: >OZZFEST DISASTER!!!!!!!! > >Ozzfest was SOLD OUT in Columbus Ohio last night, and guess who >called in sick......yep, OZZY himself! The crowd went nuts and rioted. They >started bonfires on the lawn and started the seats in the amphitheatre on >fire, and the rest of the usual riot stupidity.
Fuckin' Ozzy! This isn't the first time he's pulled this shit, and probably not the last. Oh well, some people never learn..........
Scott
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:16:11 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a-Ha Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970619071611Z-33278@ms.Kallback.com>
It's a-Ha.
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