YTSEJAM Digest 2650
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Geddy's banter
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
2) Re: dinosaurs
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
3) Megadeth - Trust (5 versions), DT, Angra
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
4) RE: Vai, Satch, Campbell, Skadz, beds, etc...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) re: whitewolf - from techrat
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
6) Phuq, Fook, Phuk
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
7) Re: Guitarz
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
8) Personal enlightenment
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
9) So many ways to drown me!
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) My shipping speeds, + My Email
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) RE: NDTM but I know you will understand! It's a good cause!!
by Todd Turbedsky <Tturbedsky@Telespecnt1.Telespec.com>
12) Immediate shipping CDs
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) soundcards, NDTC
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) Skim if you're sick of the Satch thread...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:03:00 +0000
From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Geddy's banter
Message-ID: <199706181711.MAA07826@Walden.MO.NET>
> --BREAK-- (Geddy states that they will return after receiving some
>psychiatric help/attention; Never the same message at any show.
Yeah, at St. Louis he said somethign about returning after some brain
surgery.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:09:12 +0000
From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: dinosaurs
Message-ID: <199706181717.MAA08899@Walden.MO.NET>
> Then, there were 3 little plastic dinosaurs on the stage and upon
> zooming onto them, there was a tiny sign in the T-Rex's hand saying,
> "See, we aren't the only three dinosaurs on the stage."
They did this at St. Louis, too. Seems like I remember the sign
saying something more like "See, we aren't the only dinosaur trio on
stage," though :). It had us cracking, up anyway :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:26:59 -0400
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Megadeth - Trust (5 versions), DT, Angra
Message-ID: <199706181729.KAA18343@odin.ax.com>
Megadeth is out there to take over the world!
The song TRUST was recorded in 5 languages:
English, French, German, Spanish and Italian.
The different versions will be released soon.
Now for DT: Only DT knows when the new album will
be out. Don't believe any music store, even if they have a
"secret" list. It means nothing.
Why the hell does someone have to start a war between
Helloween and Angra? Matos and Kiske have different
styles, and I think both are great.
Has this guy ever heard Matos sing on "Wuthering Heights"?
How many vocalists would be able to sing that song in such
a high pitch, without injuring themselves? :-)
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
elv@geocities.com
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:56:40 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Vai, Satch, Campbell, Skadz, beds, etc...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970618175640Z-5470@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Pat wrote:
>[Addressing Skadz]
>> God, don't you read?
>
>Skadz will love that... although he looks more like Jesus than he does
>God...
<please take this in the tone that it's meant...>
What - you mean nailed to a cross? Would that mean that Skadz has to die
for our ytse-sins?
:)
>
>
>Korg wrote:
>
>> Let's just get together and bash something we can all (God forbid)
>> agree that we dislike. Like ingrown toenails or something. Or
>> vacuum cleaner noise, or plaque... :D
>
>HEY! I HAPPEN TO *LIKE* INGROWN TOENAILS, AND YOUR POST DEEPLY OFFENDS
>ME! :)
Yeah, and my plaque is righteously pissed... :)
Daniel wrote:
>Ok. Kiske is good, but he is not God.And I guess he doesn't have an idea
>of what a high C (or anything related to musical knowledge) is.
>Andre Matos is a composer/conductor formed in one good music school from
>Brazil.I don't know if you know that Andre has been at choirs since he is
>a kid,hence, he doesn't have to improve his singing.
>He is a better musician than kiske (in a general sense),and Angra is
>much better than Helloween (including old stuff).Of course in my opinion.
>while Kiko and the other guys can play jazz (Kiko is a jazz guitar player
>too), brazillian music, classic, etc, Helloween only can play Heavy Metal.
>Very Well, I must admit, but not enough to beat ANgra.
While I agree that Andre is extremely talented, comparing the two is
like comparing apples and IBM's :)
Kiske is a good singer with a great voice. Matos has a totally different
voice, and is as much a composer as a singer. I'm not saying that Kiske
doesn't write, he's just not as classically - oriented as Andre.
Angra are five of the greatest musicians I have ever heard together in a
band, but don't discount Helloween's abilities, either, especially
Hansen and Kiske. My opinion on Helloween without them is not 'jam
postable.
BTW, anyone just casually perusing this thread, do yourself a favor -
get "Holy Land" - you won't be disappointed.
>Jon wrote:
>Perhaps they WANT to! Perhaps a nice side effect will be that they'll
>raise the bar on commercial and a lot of the chaff will be appropriately
>removed, allowing me spend my money on heavy metal wheat instead of
>Metamucil :)
>
>> Give me back the band that made Only A matter of Time ,and
>>Metropolis I
>
>No problem. Any other dreams you'd like me to satisfy? :) The band
>hasn't left, by the way. It's called growing. Don't like it, start your
>own movement...
Or better yet, handle the way I did when there weren't any bands doing
what I wanted to hear - I went and started my own! Bands with good
musicians in them will grow musically, by definition. I reserve the
right not to like that direction - Queensryche springs to mind - but
that's their business. If you have a kind of music you want to hear, and
nobody plays it, go make it yourself!
I'm a big DIY kind of person.... :)
Buck (Naked) Stodgers said:
>
>>So maybe Satriani is more popular than Stevie, but since when does
>>popularity have anything to do with talent or skill?
>
>Actually, the debate was on influence. But even I'm sick of it now.
>Can't tell you all to end it if I won't let it die myself though... :P
I feel like I have to throw something out here - does anyone know what
the biggest selling release by an independent (non - major) label was
until the Offspring came along?
Surfing With The Alien - surprise!
I personally think you guys are just beating a dead horse, but I'll be
perfectly happy to keep handing you whips. Besides, we all know Petrucci
is better anyway. :)
Alex wrote:
>DTC: what's the current hair status of the band? it would shock and
>amaze me if james didn't keep his hair, but did anyone else go for the
>mike-bahr-bald look?
I think they should all go for the trademarked Portnoy - overalls - with
- no - shirt look. You know, only a drummer would wear that... :)
Dr. Teeth wrote:
>>
>>| Megadeth? Progressive? You can't be serious.
>>
>>Check out "Holy Wars...Punishment Due". It is without a doubt the best
>>song I've ever heard. Lot of cool shit going on in that song (which is what
>>progressive music is...in my book).
>
>Ah, but a single progressive song does not a progressive band make...
OK, how about a CD full? In terms of complexity, even though it's mostly
4/4 stuff, "Peace Sells" is a bitch to play. Mustaine has one of the
great right hands in metal. Now if we could just get him to shut up...
:)
>
Eric, writing about Satch and Vai...
>That's what I don't understand. Where did you hear it? It's not like the
>album was heavily promoted or got radio play. Some of you are talking as
>if that album was so hyped up, that you couldn't have possibly passed it up
>when it was released. Like I said earlier, if it weren't for 'Guitar for
>the Practicing Musician', and the name of Steve Vai, I never would have
>heard of Joe Satriani. Again, that's just me, but I'm having trouble
>figuring out where all of this so called popularity came from.
Try radio play, for one. That's where I heard "Surfing", and radio in DC
SUCKS.
also, see above.
>
>>Who was the axeman in Dio? Sherman, set the wayback machine :) As far as
>>a sound goes, Last in Line, Evil Eyes and We Rock predate anything in
>>the 80's that left an memorable impressions on me. But I'm an old fart!
>
>That was Vivian Campbell, who rocked on those albums.
Don't you mean Gary Moore? :) For those who don't know, Vivian wanted to
be Gary so bad he ripped off almost all of Gary's style at one place or
another on those Dio albums. Now Campell's in Def Leotard and Moore's
doing adult - radio blues. Sheesh, what's the world coming to?
> Anyway, to split
>hairs, I was only referring to the instrumental guitar movement in the mid
>80's (mostly the Shrapnel group - MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, Becker,
>Freidman, Vai, Satriani) when I argued that Yngwie paved the way long
>before Vai or Satch. The topic is getting a little stale, but I wanted to
>clear that up. Obviously there were many great guitarists before Yngwie
>was ever the lucky sperm who got the egg.
Ummm, neither Vai nor Satch were Shrapnel artists - although Yngwie was,
with Steeler. Actually, I think MacAlpine may have the most overall
talent of the bunch - remember, guitar is his SECOND instrument.
Having said that, his writing doesn't impress me at all.
Well, sorry for the mammoth post. At least I actually had a modicum of
DTC in this one...
TTFN
Mike
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive and well, and totally stoked
about playing with Fates...
http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:52:00 -0600
From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: whitewolf - from techrat
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618135200.00694b40@autobahn.mb.ca>
i'm techrat, one of whitewolf's friends...
you won't see whitewolf for a bit and i'm taking care of his mail
to those of you who hate him - looks like you got your wish...
whitewolf was in a head on collision last night about 4am. he's alive
suffering some broken ribs a punctured lung and a concussion and if his
condition doesn't improve, he'll be in a coma by tomorrow nite. he was
conscious last time I saw him and he told me about the heat he'd been
catching here for some
comments he made recently and how some people just ripped him for it. before
I left he told me to apologize to you people for his comments and he would
like
to retract them. though it doesn't look good, i believe he's a fighter and
will recover. 2 years ago he crashed his other car and was in a coma. a
buddy of his played your beloved dream theater over and over for him and
believes they're
the reason he recovered so quickly. currently we're playing images and
words & handful of rain for him.
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:59:57 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Phuq, Fook, Phuk
Message-ID: <199706181859.LAA17040@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>
>You're excluding certain genres (like jazz & classical) in making that
>statement, right? Believe me, I think they are both phenominal players
>and all that other superlative, boner inducing stuff :) There are,
>however, several jazz guitarists that come to mind that would eat them
>for an light afternoon snack :)
That's interesting. I mean, where IS the effing bar? Are we comparing
Randy Rhoads to Badi Assad? Michael Schenker? Liona Boyd? Al DiMeola?
I guess the real relevant point is in where the contribution is made. You
and I may think that John Goodsall, for example, is the, as they say, shit.
But those folks who are less fusion-y may not see his contribution as all
that significant. I don't want to devolve into an "apples and oranges"
thing, because that makes discussing a whole host of issues futile, but,
when I'm hearing an assessment of some player or piece of music, I AM taking
context into perspective. If Lester Bangs didn't like something, I can be
pretty damn sure that I'll like it. ANY Rock critic using the phrase
"self-indulgent" is usually describing something that I'll like.
Trying to be objective in a subjective world is just a bitch, eh?
>Atypical Adam:
>> Anyone wanna work on a Debbie Gibson fan club. But...
>
>No, Adam, I'm sorry, budly. I'd love to back you on this one, but she
>just does NOT have a six octave range. She most definitely defined the
>term 'shred' though :)
But she's so HOT! She did a song a while ago with the Dead Kennedys or
someone like that. I wish I had a copy of that -- that and Ice-T and 2Pac
singing "You Don't Bring Me Flowers"....
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Toad the Wet Sprocket: Dulcinea
2. Stanley Clarke: School Days
3. Miles Davis: Sketches of Spain
4. Rush: Hold Your Fire
5. Reverend: Play God
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:08:38 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Guitarz
Message-ID: <33A83236.6113@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Kai:
> Some of you are talking as if that album was so hyped up, that you
> couldn't have possibly passed it up when it was released.
I'm sorry, where did you see me say hype. I didn't buy the album. I
simply said I heard it on the radio and enjoyed it. Of course, I may not
be "Some of you", in which case, just tell me to shut the fuck up :)
> Anyway, to split hairs, I was only referring to the instrumental
> guitar movement in the mid 80's
That's cool. I was just writing some stuff :)
> Hmm, I was -4 years old, when that was released. That must make you,
> what, about 100. Glad to see that even old people appreciate Dream
> Theater and Dio.
Thanks! Think I'll go kill the rest of my body now :)
Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Personal enlightenment Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970618145217.24817A-100000@voyager.cris.com>
The following message is not to be taken as any sort of display of superiority or pretentiousness. It is merely a lighthearted comment on vocabulary that might be found useful.
I noticed that twice today people have used the word "peruse" in their posts, and have used the word incorrectly. This is a common error, so I thought I'd address it since many of us here might appreciate this enlightenment. Here goes:
PERUSE: tr.v. To read or examine typically with great care. Usage Note: Peruse has long meant "to read thoroughly" and is often used loosely when one could use the word "read" instead. The worst that can be said about the latter use is that it is excessively literary or precious. However, common misuse of the word in the sense "to glance over, skim" as in "I only had a half an hour to peruse the fucking FAQ so I still don't know how to unsubscribe from this damn list", was unacceptable to 66 percent of the [dictionary] Usage Panel.
I hope you all now feel warm and fuzzy inside. Have a nice day.
Now Playing: DJ Shadow, "Endtroducing..."
Rick Audet Dolby Labs
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:33:11 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: So many ways to drown me! Message-ID: <33A837F7.19A1@mailstorm.dot.gov>
FAQ-dude: > Maybe I'll FIND A HALF AN HOUR DURING LUNCH and peruse this thing, > see if there actually is anything important in it.
They say it's not good to mix carbohydrates with proteins at lunch, though :)
iddybat: > DTC: what's the current hair status of the band? it would shock and > amaze me if james didn't keep his hair, but did anyone else go for the > mike-bahr-bald look?
They've all gone Mohawk and have sold out to playing hate-thrash-gangsta-metal-betty-bebop.
:)
Someone posted about the release coming out in July. Sounds like a rumor to me :)
JP *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:14:56 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My shipping speeds, + My Email Message-ID: <199706182014.NAA06151@goodnet.com>
To the people who defended me: thanks. To set the record straight: I have fallen behind slightly in shipping over the past few weeks, but it should be straightened out now, and I'm crankin' full tilt again. The problem mainly affected shipments of PT and DW. I created the problem, it was my fault, and now I've dealt with it. It was technical, trying to get my computer to do more than it was capable of doing, and it decided to take a shit on me as payback. :)
Anyway, I really owe you all one for being so patient with all this... believe me, I want everyone to have their stuff as fast as possible. Melissa is _ahead_ of shipping by over a week, based on the volume of orders vs. the number of videotapes she cranks out every day. It's really quite amazing.
OK, now for my e-mail. For some reason, all of it got deleted last week by Goodnet, and they haven't found it yet. If you had e-mail in to me and I didn't reply to it, it must have been lost, so if you can remember what it was you mailed me about, please do me a favor and send again. This is really frustrating because I had finally gotten to where I was replying within a few days of most mails.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:17:14 -0400 From: Todd Turbedsky <Tturbedsky@Telespecnt1.Telespec.com> To: "'ACS@aol.com'" <ACS@aol.com>, "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: NDTM but I know you will understand! It's a good cause!! Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Telespectrum%l=TELESPECNT6-970618201714Z-7591@telespecnt1.telespec.com>
>For every new person you forward this to, the American Cancer Society >will donate three cents toward cancer research. Just make the first >address ACS@aol.com, and then list as many friends and colleagues as you can. It's for a good cause, so please don't just delete it. T ------- > > >LITTLE JESSICA MYDEK IS SEVEN YEARS OLD AND IS SUFFERING >FROM AN ACUTE AND VERY RARE CASE OF CEREBRAL CARCINOMA. THIS CONDITION >CAUSES SEVERE MALIGNANT BRAIN TUMORS AND IS A TERMINAL ILLNESS. THE >DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN HER SIX MONTHS TO LIVE. AS PART OF HER DYING WISH, >SHE WANTED TO START A CHAIN LETTER TO INFORM PEOPLE OF THIS CONDITION >AND TO SEND PEOPLE THE MESSAGE TO LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST AND ENJOY >EVERY MOMENT, A CHANCE THAT SHE WILL NEVER HAVE. FURTHERMORE, THE >AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY AND SEVERAL CORPORATE SPONSORS HAVE AGREED TO >DONATE THREE CENTS TOWARD CONTINUING CANCER RESEARCH FOR EVERY NEW >PERSON THAT GETS FORWARDED THIS MESSAGE. PLEASE GIVE JESSICA AND ALL >CANCER VICTIMS A CHANCE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO THE >AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY AT ACS@AOL.COM.
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:23:21 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Immediate shipping CDs Message-ID: <199706182023.NAA12685@goodnet.com>
Just to note for everyone, the shipping estimates on any given CD (if ordered today. this doesn't count orders backed up in the queue, which are already in line for shipment in the order they were counted).
When Dream and Today Unite - immediate Scenes From a Memory - immediate Critical Mass - immediate Precious Things - approx. 3 week delay (40 discs go out tonight!) Darkest of Winters - approx. 4 week delay Virtual Songs - approx. 6 week delay Acoustic Spirits - immediate _starting in mid-July_. Experience to Extremes - not yet released or shipping. All collectibles & forsale items - immediate
All of Melissa's videos + shirts - immediate
So basically I've fallen behind on three shipping items... but they just happen to be the three most in-demand items. :) Also, now you know why Andrew Forcier got his WDATU and SFAM so fast... I shipped 'em out the day I got the order.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:43:15 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com, 80s-metal@pacific-pages.com Subject: soundcards, NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970618164315.00ce06f0@pophost.fore.com>
Sorry to inflict this upon all of you, but I need some help finding a sound card for my system. Here's the system:
P5-120, 32Mb RAM, Philips EasyWriter CDr (2x write, 6x read), Win95
Here's what I want to do:
Input an analog signal from my tape deck, into the soundcard and capture it as a .wav file on my hard drive. I have a blank 1G IDE drive for this. I can then manipulate the .wav files if necessary, and burn the CD from the hard drive.
I'm thinking about a SB AWE 64 gold, which I've seen for $189. Aside from the card, I need a good .wav file editor. Does the SB AWE 64 gold come with that? I definitely need a Plug N Play card.
Any info on sound cards in general would appreciated. Please email me privately on the matter.
Thanks, KAI
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:53:25 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Skim if you're sick of the Satch thread... Message-ID: <199706182052.AA12459@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, Dave wrote: >OZZFEST DISASTER!!!!!!!!
Just what we need to make us metal-heads look even worse in the eyes of the public. To their credit, the Jersey fans jumped the barriers and rushed the field during Sabbath. Silly boys...
>Disclaimer: This e-mail was free of subliminal SEND D-MAN MONEY >messages.
Yeah, like I'm falling for that twice. :P
>You're excluding certain genres (like jazz & classical) in making that >statement, right?
Not free of this yet, am I? :) Keep in mind that I was talking about my favorites, to let others know where my biases lay. Sure, plenty of guys can play circles around either. But talent isn't all in speed and technique. Heck, Vai's best songs have little speed at all (Sisters, Hand on Heart). Feel is the key. Shred all you want, I won't buy the album without a big fat heaping load of FEEL! Which explains why I own only one Yngwie album and none by the other clones... On your other point actually, the jazz genre guitarists do little for me in most contexts. But you have me on classical. I don't listen to much of it, but what I've heard is mindblowing. Jazz guitarists are good, but Benson and Metheny are the only ones who take my fancy. I pass on DiMeola and DeLucia and Klugh. Oh, shit. I'm flamebait now... KAI on Satch: >It's not like the album was heavily promoted or got radio play.
Eh? Surfing with the Alien: Top 40 album. SwtA: Top 40 single. Always With Me: Top 40 single. That's airplay to me. And I won't even mention the chartings of his later efforts.
>Again, that's just me, but I'm having trouble figuring out where all of >this so called popularity came from.
It's one thing to say you hadn't heard of him. It's another to say no one else had.
>(mostly the Shrapnel group - MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, Becker, Freidman, >Vai, Satriani)
The last two were never on Shrapnel (unless Alcatrazz was), but I've never heard any of the former four's solo stuff, and I consider myself pretty well versed. That's what I would call lack of influence. Name any major guitarist's solo work, and I can name at least two songs. Those four? None. And just to let you know, Shrapnel is no major label. When was the last time you saw a Shrapnel ad anywhere other than a guitar mag? I've seen both Joe and Steve's (and Eric Johnson's) albums in Entertainment Weekly, Spin and *gag!* Rolling Stone. Not just ads, mind you: but reviews. That's where the key is. When those critics take a peek, it shows their readers might give a damn.
>Didn't they take one of his songs and use it in a Sony Walkman >commercial?
Summer Song off The Extremist.
>In short: The Electrolux shreds and it is the genius of all vacuums! >All other vacuums simply suck!
Interesting note: in the 1950's the noiseless vaccuum was invented, but failed all test markets as people were so used to associating the noise to the appliance's performance, they didn't think it worked as well. Dear God, I actually typed that. -- _____________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com *************************************************************
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