YTSEJAM Digest 2654
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Cruising into a ditch of dead dogs....
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) itcotck
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2652
by PANDAMAN <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM>
4) Re: a-ha
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@cyberhighway.net>
5)
by Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
6) New reviews (NDTC)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
7) Who taped Petrucci's clinic '97??
by "J.P.Cornelissen" <J.P.Cornelissen@inter.NL.net>
8) Spice girls WTF!!!
by vancer1@juno.com
9) Upes
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@cyberhighway.net>
10) Belief will always save me :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
11) QR show in rapid ?
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
12) Re: Spice girls WTF!!! / MiniDisc question
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
13) RELEASE DATE?!
by Scott Duren <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2652
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) Re: make a fool of himself; Locrian mode
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
16) dt orgasmia
by "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
17) METAL ON MTV!!!
by eckie@asu.edu
18) Re: METAL ON MTV!!!
by eckie@asu.edu
19) I need your answer or I may not get to go to concert
by MPadula643@aol.com
20) Clockwork CD
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:23:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Cruising into a ditch of dead dogs....
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970619131928.28761B-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Phillip wrote:
> I also got the new Stratovarius "Visions" a couple of weeks back. WOW!
> This is a good one. These guys are really at the top of their game and
> I don't think they get the attention they deserve amongst DT fans. The
> only complaint I have about them are their lyrics...but they're easy to
> look over because it's just so good. Very listenable disc. What's the
> deal with the labeling though? My CD lists "Kiss of Judas" as the first
> track but it's "Black Diamond" and they play Black Diamond again at the
> end along with a live song (both unlisted). Anyone know what's up with
> that?
I think that this is on all the CDs. My friend just got this as well and
told me about the same problem.
Guys: Get the Stratovarius album titled "episode." It kicks major buns.
The guitarist reminds me a lot of Petrucci and sometimes Steve Morse (ala
"tumeni notes") on the 8th track of the album. I'm reluctant to buy prog
that I haven't heard because more than once I have been disappointed. My
friend had this up at school and he let me borrow it. This is now one of
my favorite prog bands. I haven't gotten "visions" yet, but plan to. I
have to buy some William Ackerman and Bela Fleck CDs first. :)
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: itcotck
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970619135558.18020B-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>
is moonchild SUPPOSED to be so dynamically soft (relative to other tracks)
pain in the ass to have to get up to adjust the volumn, even though it
means a wonderful 12 minute interlude, and a nice loud return to
anti-serenity as the title song kicks in......
and anyone poinitng me to a good king crimson page would be thanked
profusely.........
partha
(lizard is my fave KC album, if anyone gives a darn, or wants to point
out why i should like any other album better......)
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Date: 19 Jun 97 12:35:21 EDT
From: PANDAMAN <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2652
Message-ID: <970619163521_76262.3207_GHM97-1@CompuServe.COM>
>If DT is in the studio right now, don't you think that a late July/early
>August release date is a bit early? I know we all want to get the new
>disc but it's no use trying to fool ourselves into believing that it's
>going to be out in a month and a half. You're only setting yourself up
>for a disappointment. I'd say a Sept/Oct release is far more likely.
Not that I trust everything they say, but my local record shoppe (Tokyo, Japan)
has the next Dream Theater album release date at Aug. 10. A bit hasty, perhaps,
and it's quite predictable they'll 'postpone' the release date. However, if the
news about Fates Warning playing some finished studio DT songs before they went
on, maybe the August release isn't as impossible as it seems?
PM
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:50:00 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: a-ha
Message-ID: <199706191910.MAA06493@odin.ax.com>
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Last digest misha wrote:
>It's a-Ha.
>Close...it's "a-ha," there aren't even capital letters! How chaotic!!! =
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>Ahh...the great "a-ha," who released one of the greatest videos ever =
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>with "Take Me On."
That's really close, but I think it's "Take On Me" ...
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:25:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9706181213.A10606-0100000@weber.ift.ulaval.ca>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:25:06 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New reviews (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970619192506.0068cf7c@ici.net>
I just got three new CD's the other day, and would like to share my thoughts.
* Megadeth - Cryptic Writings
I have heard a lot of positive things about this CD on the 'jam, so needless
to say, my expectations for this were sky-high. Unfortunately, the album
doesn't live up to them, at least not yet. I think the lyrics and some of
the music on this CD are great, but dammit, I can't *hear* anything. The mix
just seems very...mundane. I wish there was more crunch to it.
Rating: Balls, but no Chunk.
* Drain STH - Horror Wrestling
I saw these ladies at OzzFest, and I was suitably impressed. Enough to go
looking for the CD, in fact. This is good, hard, crunchy metal. Almost
everyone I have played this for can't believe it's an all-woman band. IMO,
they most closely resemble Alice In Chains (at least musically. They're
*much* more attractive. :))
Rating: No Balls (anatomically), MUCHO Chunk.
* Bruce Dickinson - Accident Of Birth
Holy Shit, I think I have an early favorite for my album of the year! I
hated Tattooed Millionaire, I didn't care much for Balls To Picasso, and I
didn't even get Skunkworks, so needless to say, I was skeptical at best
toward this album. I don't know if it was solely the addition of Adrian
Smith, but this album SMOKES. Other than some oddball/cheesy lyrics, I have
found nothing about this album that I don't like. As an aside: I noticed
that this album features Bruce on vocals, Adrian Smith of guitar, and cover
art by Derek Riggs - this band is more Maiden than Maiden is now. :)
Rating: BALLS AND CHUNK - THIS IS WHERE IT'S AT!!
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Now Playing: Nothing - Work sucks. :)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:47:11 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "J.P.Cornelissen" <J.P.Cornelissen@inter.NL.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Who taped Petrucci's clinic '97??
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970619214516.8472F-100000@hatert.nijmegen.inter.nl.net>
Hi everybody,
Just wanted to know: who taped John Petrucci's/Derek Sherinian's clinics
that they gave last month in Germany??? Please let me know, I have to
lots to offer for trading!! Greetings,
JOOST
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:06:26 EDT
From: vancer1@juno.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spice girls WTF!!!
Message-ID: <19970619.130921.6887.1.vancer1@juno.com>
>Someone was asking about this video(When 2 become one by the Spice
>Girls). It's the funnest Spice Girls' vid yet. They're all hanging
>around some city that looks like NYC, but, for some reason the
>temperature changes depending on which body part the camera is
>on(example: the rap chick is wearing this short shirt, but she is
>wearing a long coat, and heavy pants, oh yeah, and gloves). And WTF is
>up with the ending? They show some goat or something, sorry I haven't
>seen it in the passed two minutes, and its just standing in the middle
>of Broadway with cars speeding by nearing the time barrier. It just
>doesn't make sense but that's also true for any good porn movie! ;)
What the HELL is this?!?!?! This is a Dream Theater mailing list. Yes, I
know we all talk about other bands, but their either other prog bands or
bands like Metallica! What the F*ck is tise "Spice Girls" CRAP doing on
this list? Go find somewhere else to discuss this and stop wasting space!
-ryan
vancer1@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:07:03 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Upes
Message-ID: <199706192008.NAA07059@odin.ax.com>
Sorry about that stupid MIME encoding crap. I think I fixed it.
--KorgX3
--ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:21:52 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Belief will always save me :)
Message-ID: <33A994E0.C6D@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Henrik:
> I wouldn't like to start a thread on this, so just take this humble
> opinion for what it is, and leave it and have a nice day in the sun.
Okey dokey :) I've never taken it any other way. I enjoy the topic....
> But I could not have imagined then, that the band would later turn
> into making songs of Kansas, U2 and Beatles, for example.
Well, I'll let someone else address U2 & the Beatles. As I recall,
though, they do cite Kansas as one of their influences. And if you go
beyond the popular radio-friendly hits that Kansas put out and dig
deeper, you'll find some very progressive stuff. You might want to
check out Closet Chronicles, or Portrait. Or don't :)
Chip:
> Not to mention Terry Bozzio - even that Missing
> Persons album has those kind of fills all over it.
Absotutely :) Saw Terry with Zappa, who only used the best musicians to
back him up.
Galloping Neil:
> how do you rate Steve Howe with regard to his ability to play both electric
> and acoustic guitar - there are players who are better on one or the other,
> but for me, he is the player with the greatest ability/talent on both.
Steve Howe certainly always ranked right up there for me! Wanna hear a
guy make an acoutsic shred? Check out Jorma Kaukounen (sp?). Played with
Hot Tuna, Jefferson Airplane.
Latah,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:32:24 -0700
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR show in rapid ?
Message-ID: <19970619.133226.12342.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
OK,
Whoever went to the Queensryche show in Rapid, fess up and post
the setlist!!!! Inquiring minds want to know }:->
Scott
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There was an old lady who lived in a shoe;
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:40:03 -0700
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spice girls WTF!!! / MiniDisc question
Message-ID: <19970619.134005.12342.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
vancer1@juno.com wrote (between cramps):
>What the HELL is this?!?!?! This is a Dream Theater mailing list.
Nope, it's the "Lets's see how bad we can piss off Ryan" list ;-)
>Yes, I know we all talk about other bands, but their either other prog
bands
Oh no, not another "What is prog?" Thread! I'd rather talk about Marky
Mark and the Funky bunch!
>or bands like Metallica! What the F*ck is tise "Spice Girls" CRAP doing
>on this list? Go find somewhere else to discuss this and stop wasting
>space!
<unsubscribe ytsejam Ryan> ;)
About MiniDiscs:
I just bought a MiniDisc deck this week and was wondering if anyone
can tell me some cheap places to by the blank discs. Either in the SF
or L.A. area.
Scott
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Date: 19 Jun 97 18:17:00 EDT
From: Scott Duren <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RELEASE DATE?!
Message-ID: <970619221700_103430.227_JHM85-1@CompuServe.COM>
Does anybody out there know what the release date is for the upcoming DT album?
Please respond to my private e-mail - 103430.227@compuserve.com
S.D.D.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:59:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2652
Message-ID: <199706192259.SAA25451@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> Oh puhLEEEZ. They are anything BUT Jazz musicians. All the Jazz they play,
> I believe, is rehearsed. That ain't Jazz, my friend. JP couldn't improvise
> over a Jazz progression to save his life. I hate to be the one to break it
> to ya, but it's the truth. JP even admits himself that most of the "jams"
> they play live have the solos worked out for the most part, and if he
> *does* improvise, it's over very simple changes otherwise he just makes a
> fool of himself.
Well, there is SOME truth in that <JP, of course, admits it>, but to say
that "JP couldn't improvise over a jazz progression to save his life"
seems to me to be a bit of an exaggeration. When have you seen him make a
fool of himself improvising? <--not meant to be rude--just asking.
> Personally I like soloing over the E-F-G-A-Bb-C type of progression. The
> scale name escapes me, but it just is sooooo dark and heavy, especially
> when detuned 1.5 or 2 steps.
This is called E Locrian mode. Difficult to establish a tonality due to
the absence of a P5 and because of the 1->b2 relationship. Listen to
Metallica's "Wherever I May Roam" for a bit more of this.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:33:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: make a fool of himself; Locrian mode
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970619191958.14451A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> Well, there is SOME truth in that <JP, of course, admits it>, but to say
> that "JP couldn't improvise over a jazz progression to save his life"
> seems to me to be a bit of an exaggeration.
Okay, you got me. I was exaggerating a bit.
> When have you seen him make a fool of himself improvising?
Actually, this is a paraphrase of something JP said in an interview for
GFTPM magazine. And I believe he did indeed use the phrase "make a fool of
myself." with regard to *true* improvisation.
> not meant to be rude--just asking.
Thank you for making that clear. Really. :)
> > Personally I like soloing over the E-F-G-A-Bb-C type of progression. The
> > scale name escapes me, but it just is sooooo dark and heavy, especially
> > when detuned 1.5 or 2 steps.
>
> This is called E Locrian mode. Difficult to establish a tonality due to
> the absence of a P5 and because of the 1->b2 relationship. Listen to
> Metallica's "Wherever I May Roam" for a bit more of this.
..and "Harvester of Sorrow" perhaps as well? I recall a tune off AJFA
following Locrian mode a bit. Which reminds me, for those with a
background in sight-singing and/or eartraining, it's important to realize
just how easy it is to sing Locrian mode. Most people shy away from the
thought of this due to the disorienting intervallic (sp?) relationships
among the notes in the mode. I was once called upon in class to sing this
mode, and managed to dazzle the rest of the class with a simple trick to
sing it (using solfege (sp?) syllables of course) quickly and in tune. Fun
fun.
Rick Audet
Dolby Labs
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:26:35 -0400
From: "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dt orgasmia
Message-ID: <199706192337.QAA10071@odin.ax.com>
Being a member of the jam for only a few months, I haven't been able to
fully experience the DT orgasm that will explode when this new album hits
the shelves(WHENEVER....)
This release is going to be awesome in the eyes of DT jammers everywhere.
We have been suffering, waiting, for new material so long that it almost
hurts me to think that all this material they are recording right
now(hopefully), hasn't been released yet because of corporate bullshit.
Does anyone have any new info on a working title of the album?? artwork??
lyrics?? anything proof-positive(yeah right)
Anticiption abounding,
freakboy
"I fell in love to be let down"-Dt
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:11:40 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: METAL ON MTV!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970619170935.8974A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
Woo hoo! I saw a smithering of metal on MTV! And it wasn't even in a
news archive talking about the Ozzfest....
IT was, of course, the Megadeth:Cryptic Writings ad....heh, I flipped on
the station and there was good ol' Mustaine snarlin' at the camera with
half of his LONG HAIR covering his face...
What a trip...
~Eckie wishes there was a REAL alternative to Money TV
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:39:19 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: METAL ON MTV!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970619173850.11164A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
Excuse me, I meant,
with his LONG hair covering HALF his face...
~Eckie the blithering idiot
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:37:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: MPadula643@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I need your answer or I may not get to go to concert
Message-ID: <970619213650_-594446716@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Dear MEGADETH fans,
I am hopefully going to see MEGADETH in Boston MA but I had a question about
it I need answered. The venue is outdoors it has seats, and a big lawn where
people can watch the show. For a strange reason they're not selling tickets
for the grass seats, which will cost them thousands of $$. Would they do this
because there could be the biggest frigon moshpit on Earth? My parents are
not happy about that and I may not get to go!!!!! Please write back.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:49:48 +0000
From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork CD
Message-ID: <1345365751-3705882@hutman.com>
Hey Jammers-
In cases there's anybody on this list who still doesn't have the
Clockwork CD "Search", I have them in stock for $8. Anybody who has
it can attest to the fact that this is pretty much essential
listening. It's a no-brainer for fans of DT, Shadow Gallery,
Helloween, etc.
Also, we just released "People of the Southwind" - A Tribute to
Kansas. It's a similar concept to the DT Tribute that's been
kicking around here for years. It contains 60 minutes of
bands & collaborations performing some great Kansas tunes. It's on
tape and it's only $2 for a VERY limited time. so if you're a fan of
classic-prog, get to it!
For more info, email me at DREG@hutman.com, or better yet, visit our
web-site for info, audio-clips and an order form at the URL listed
below.
-steve
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http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
New & Improved Progressive Rock
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