YTSEJAM Digest 2656
Today's Topics:
1) Rush news... on Yahoo?!?!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
2) Re: words, modes, sight-singing, yadda, yadda, yadda...
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
3) Re: Rush news... on Yahoo?!?!
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
4) Tautara
by "rocabado carlos" <crocabadex@hotmail.com>
5) ALBUM UPDATE!!!!
by "Davide" <dada@iname.com>
6) YES, they are Hifi stereo.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) New DT
by Alexander Honnef <honnef@cs.uni-bonn.de>
8) Megadeth tickets
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
9) FATEZ gig review - Augsburg
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
10) coming to State College and Chicago - any jammers there?
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
11) RE: Karaoke
by gra@provida.no
12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2655
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
13) Marky Mark and odd time signatures :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
14) Neil Peart interview
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
15) new megadeth
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush news... on Yahoo?!?!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970620035839.4175A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
I was perusing Yahoo's entertainment news section just now, for no
apparent reason, when I see the following headline:
FEATURE: Rush's Neil Peart Drums Up A New Beat
The story can be found at the URL:
http://www.yahoo.com/text/headlines/970619/entertainment/stories/
music_peart_1.html
Prog in the news. Well, Reuters, anyway. Is this a sign of more press to
come for prog bands? Let's hope so...
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:30:34 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: words, modes, sight-singing, yadda, yadda, yadda...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970620012451.0069457c@pop3.concentric.net>
Steve Zebrowski wrote:
>Anyway, this teacher last year hated me and would always try to stump me
>w/ the sight-singing examples. One day, we were just breaking ground on
>singing minor <this was cake to me> examples, and he sticks me with one in
>Phrygian. I quickly recognized the 1 -> b2 and sang the exercise
>correctly. then he flipped like 5 pages ahead and said here sing this
>one. Sure enough, Locrian mode. I did it correctly again, although i
>don't know if I'd call it easy. Rick, if you don't mind could you tell me
>the trick you know for singing in Locrian mode. Either to the jam or
>private email. thanks.
Okay. Let me clear something up. I meant that singing *the* mode from tonic
up to tonic, and then back down to tonic (with a gin and tonic) is easy.
Singing *in* Locrian mode is another ball of wax, with which I have little
experience. The trick used to simply sing the mode (as a scale) is to first
get the tonic in your head, then go up a half step and orient yourself to
*that* note as if it were in the tonic of ionian mode. Then just sing the
major scale but start on the 7th and go up to the 7th at the octave....and
back down. This gives locrian mode, and you stay oriented by thinking
you're in ionian. I hope this helps.
Rick Audet
Dolby Labs
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:34:15 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush news... on Yahoo?!?!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970620013410.00696a7c@pop3.concentric.net>
Chris Merlo wrote:
>I was perusing Yahoo's entertainment news section just now, for no
>apparent reason, when I see the following headline:
Were you really *perusing*, or just browsing? Or did you skip over that
useless post of mine yesterday about the REAL meaning of "peruse". :P
(When's that thesis getting finished?)
Rick Audet
Dolby Labs
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:29:08 PDT
From: "rocabado carlos" <crocabadex@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tautara
Message-ID: <199706200929.CAA19312@f39.hotmail.com>
i'm looking for information about a group
called Tautara( incl. members of REM, Screaming trees,
los lobos), anyone has bought its album?
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:40:26 +0200
From: "Davide" <dada@iname.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ALBUM UPDATE!!!!
Message-ID: <199706200941.LAA09641@iol-mail.iol.it>
June 16, 1997:
Studio Update
Here's a quote from Mike about the progress of the new album...
All is going GREAT!!! The stuff sounds amazing, and we are all totally
psyched!! Kevin (the producer) is working out incredibly well and is the
perfect guy for this album.
Still no confirmation on Album title or track listing, but I can tell you
that so far we have recorded most, if not all, of 4 songs:
1. It's All About You (the new title for 'You or Me')
2. Burning My Soul
3. Lines in the Sand
4. Hollow Years
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:54:07 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YES, they are Hifi stereo.
Message-ID: <199706200954.CAA03209@goodnet.com>
As the title says. Rogerio asked it on a recent 'Jam and I'm sure
it may have been on the minds of some of the other buyers. Both of the
VCRs that Melissa uses to produce the videos are hi-fi stereo SVHS decks
(though we're recording to hifi VHS, so everyone can watch it without
compatibility mismatch). The Prog video montage is _entirely_ stereo
except the two PAL conversion tracks, as PAL conversions generally come in
mono. All of the other videos offered except the Auburn Hills ones are in
stereo.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:59:35 +0200
From: Alexander Honnef <honnef@cs.uni-bonn.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New DT
Message-ID: <01BC7D71.75888930@DEFIANT>
Hi all,
last night, i see Fates in Cologne. It was a fantastic gig. They played =
"APSOG" and some songs from parallels. The last song was "Monument"! =
Very good gig.
But before Fates come on stage, there was a song played I remember! But =
in this moment I can't say the name the Band and of the song.
Then I hear the drums of Mike, and I remember! This is "Lines in the =
Sand". The new studio version! After the gig, I run to the sound man and =
ask for it.
He tolds me: "Sorry guy! I can't give it to you, but you can wait one =
month longer, can't you??"
___ _____ ___ __ __ =
__ ____
| /\ | | / \ /\ / /\ | =
\ |\ | | |\ | /
--- /__\ | |__ \_ \ / \ / /__\ | _ / =
| \ | | | \ | / ___
| / \ | | \ \ / \ / / \ | =
\ | \ | | | \ | \ \
| / \ | |___ __/ \/ \/ / \ | =
\ | \| _|_ | \| \___/
" ... so where do we begin
and what else can we say?
when the lines are all drawn
what should we do today? ....."
(A Pleasant Shade of Gray)
Alexander Honnef
In der Mark 29
53547 Kasbach-Ohlenberg
Tel.: 02644-981242
Fax.: 02644-981241
EMail: honnef@athene.informatik.uni-bonn.de
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth tickets
Message-ID: <v01520d00afcfd50d991c@[207.90.117.188]>
Concerning some Megadeth shows going on sale this weekend...are all of
them? My paper didn't say...but I'm interested in the Columbus Ohio show
in August.
If anybody know if all are going on sale, please email me.
Thanks,
Dan
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"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
Summer 1997 Update site:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:44:55 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FATEZ gig review - Augsburg
Message-ID: <v03007800afd008d7e638@[128.178.99.38]>
Hiya'll jamanutz,
I went to see FW in Augsburg last Sunday. First of all, I was disappointed
to see that the RockFabrik is no more than a disco. Very nice and cosy and
shit, a ceiling as low as the current state of the JAM. Nice places to sit
down, 5 bars. You get the picture. My second disappointment was that there
were max 200 people in the place!! I mean, FW played to 2500 people opening
for DT in Zurich-Switzerland in 1995 and stole the fucking show and now
they're playing to 200 pepole??
Come on, now they don't come back to Switzerland because they don't sell
much, I guess but what's the fuckin issue out here dammit? They'd do easily
1000 here in Switzerland anytime, anywhere.
Next Sunday, I'll be going to Ludwigsburg to see FW. Now that's only 100
kms from Augsburg and a only a week later !!! Who does this kinda fucked up
planning ? Some Metalblade bullshit exec? Although Ludwigsburg should get
more people, since it's the back door to Stuttgart, it's AGAIN another
RockfuckinFabrik. No another disco again, no!!!!! Get outta my face!!! I've
never seen such crappy tour planning in my life !! FW does deserve much
better than playing in front of 200 people.
Well....back to the Augsburg gig. Scanner started off the show. Well,
couldn't recognize any of the guys from the Terminal Earth period plus
they've got a synth. Sounded ok, but to give you an idea, after 2 songs, I
quit to go and watch the Canadian Formula 1 Grand Prix on the large screen
at the entrance.
Then came back to see Omen. Hey hey hey, these guys tour ? Old music,
outdated attittude, but nonetheless very sympathetic, so I to my surprise,
stayed till the end. Well, the Grand Prix had ended, also ;-)
After a long wait, FW took the stage, a bit in the manner of a local band.
No fancy bullshit, dresses or attitudes. Just the music. And what music,
WOWW!!! They played all APSOG, allowing for slightly longer pauses between
parts for public participation. And the public didn't participate much in
fact. Come on man, you're in Germany and can't even fuckin sing the
"Zugabe" part? Go fuckin die!! Then they encored, played Life in Still
Water and 11th Hour, encored, then We Only Say Goodbye and Monument, which
in my opinion, is the most representative work from FW to date. As I said,
the audience was very cold, not a cent receptive, no singing on 11th Hour,
at least not half what Zurich gave them 2 years ago. The sound, well, what
can you get from a disco, huh ?? The band: Ray smokes like a chimney but
sang as usual very well, he in fact always gives the impression he doesn't
care for whta he's singing. Jim: I liked the photos of his wife, daugther
and of his two dogs stuck to his rack, plus the little desk name plate set
on top of it, HAHHA !! Joey Vera, that I knew from Armored Saint era, is
very much up to it and plyed the fretless very precisely in the tones. The
keyboard was sorta ok, couldn't hear him much, but it's a bad idea that he
merely tries to copy Frank Aresti's solos. The most awesome in the band is
Mark Zonder, King of drums, the pride of GMS. There are some real weird
fucked up prog parts in APSOG and that led to some 2-3 times where the band
didn't really know where they were nor going, but Mark ticks like a
metronome allright.
All in all, I didn't really regret doing 400+ miles to go see the gig, but
I'd've known it was in such a small place, I wouldn't've made the trip.
Anyway, looking forward to Ludwisgburg this Sunday. As said Ray:
COME ON STUTTGART WAKE UP LETS HEAR SOME NOISE !!!
________________________________
"I had so much time on my hands then suddenly, it washed away"
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"These are my wings to fly
These are the winds to sail
So let as time goes by
Mind over matter prevail"
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D A V E K I N G
b a s s & h a r m o n y
M T 2 0
p r o g r e s s i v e m e t a l
http://websites.maxess.ch/mt20
IRC : DaveKing
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:47:33 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: coming to State College and Chicago - any jammers there?
Message-ID: <v03007801afd00fb48320@[128.178.99.38]>
Hi,
I'll be coming to State College (Penn State Uni) and Chicago next week for
professional reasons. I'd like to meet some jammers over there, if
possible. Please let me know (private e-mail, please). I'd love it.
Bye 4 now,
________________________________
"I had so much time on my hands then suddenly, it washed away"
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"These are my wings to fly
These are the winds to sail
So let as time goes by
Mind over matter prevail"
________________________________
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & h a r m o n y
M T 2 0
p r o g r e s s i v e m e t a l
http://websites.maxess.ch/mt20
IRC : DaveKing
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:53:47 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Karaoke
Message-ID: <412564BC.003FF882.00@oslo1.provida.no>
Ernie's query:
>And anybody know how those 'Karaoke' buttons on stereos work? Under what
>principle do they remove vocals? Frequencies? Or a certain way in which it
>was recorded? I'm just curious since it only work on certain records, and
>then sometimes it takes away the lead guitar or the drums as well, etc...
My response based on wild guessing:
I think they remove vocals based on a band-pass filter. This filter removes
frequencies between
x and y. The human voice ranges from say 500 Hz to 3, 4 or 5000 KHz, so the
BP filter lower this freq.range by several dB. Since guitars also use this
freq.range they are affected by this BP filter too.
Well, you say they work on some recs. but not all. Hmmm. One solution may
be: They are recorded with an eq. wich enhances freq's inside the BP range
by more dB than the BP can reduce. i.e if the record have emphasized
freq's in the BP range by say, 4 dB to normal records, and the BP filter
reduces freq's by 10 dB, you end up with 6 dB reduction instead of 10 dB.
If you did get something useful outta this, seek medical aid !!!!
-.profile
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:24:16 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2655
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970620112416Z-616@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>Steph Chi wrote...
>
> It may have been posted already but, there are new
> tour dates for the GAMMA RAY/STRATOVARIUS show in Brazil.
> They are playing four shows. Just one more example
> of how Americans get the shaft. Hopefully I will be
> to catch FATES on the 24th
I've actually thought about going to Brazil to see shows - I'm dying to
see Angra. That said, there's one way we can get these kind of bands to
come to the US - create the market. Speaking from personal experience, I
know the owner of the best metal club in our area - Jaxx, in scenic
Springfield, VA :) - is willing to do more proggish shows if the ruenout
for Fates Warning is good. If you have a local prog (or power or
whatever) band that's pretty good, make effort to go see them. Support
the US bands, and the non - US ones will want to play here.
D-Man, about Altura...
>I have to agree that Altura has a great deal of potential, and that the
>drummer is extremely talented. This is the precise reason that I don't
>like Altura. They *should* be far better than they are. They're all
>extremely talented musicians, but their writing kills it for me.
People generally seem to think that being a good player makes you a good
writer. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's like saying a
good carpenter would be a good architect. It might be true, but it isn't
and automatic thing. After all, Springsteen isn't much of a player or
singer, but he's a great songwriter.
>
>
Steve wrote...
>> > >Personally I like soloing over the E-F-G-A-Bb-C type of progression.
>> > >The scale name escapes me, but it just is sooooo dark and heavy,
>> > >especially when detuned 1.5 or 2 steps.
>> >
>> > This is called E Locrian mode. Difficult to establish a tonality due to
>> > the absence of a P5 and because of the 1->b2 relationship. Listen to
>> > Metallica's "Wherever I May Roam" for a bit more of this.
>>
>> ..and "Harvester of Sorrow" perhaps as well? I recall a tune off AJFA
>> following Locrian mode a bit.
>
>Yeah, I believe you're right. Modes are cool. I was just singing a Ned
>Rorem song that goes from Bb minor to Bb Locrian for a while.
>EVERYTHING's flat. :)
You know, I really like seeing this sort of dicussion here - of course,
the non musicians are totally lost! My personal favorite, since we're
talking modes, is aeolian. Nothing like a little darkness... :)
>
>> Which reminds me, for those with a
>> background in sight-singing and/or eartraining, it's important to realize
>> just how easy it is to sing Locrian mode. Most people shy away from the
>> thought of this due to the disorienting intervallic (sp?) relationships
>> among the notes in the mode. I was once called upon in class to sing this
>> mode, and managed to dazzle the rest of the class with a simple trick to
>> sing it (using solfege (sp?) syllables of course) quickly and in tune. Fun
>> fun.
>
>YES! My ss/et teacher last year HATED me. He was all into these wierd
>vocal techniques, and I <being a bel canto singer> just wasn't into it,
>and therefore didn't sign up for his ensemble. Not that I am closed
>minded to those techniques--they have their place just as bel canto has
>its place. I just wouldn't do any kind of throat singing or other
>techniques that can hurt the voice. but, I digress...
>
>Anyway, this teacher last year hated me and would always try to stump me
>w/ the sight-singing examples. One day, we were just breaking ground on
>singing minor <this was cake to me> examples, and he sticks me with one in
>Phrygian. I quickly recognized the 1 -> b2 and sang the exercise
>correctly. then he flipped like 5 pages ahead and said here sing this
>one. Sure enough, Locrian mode. I did it correctly again, although i
>don't know if I'd call it easy. Rick, if you don't mind could you tell me
>the trick you know for singing in Locrian mode. Either to the jam or
>private email. thanks.
Any of you want to have a chat with our singer? :)
>
>Anyone going to see Rush tonight at Nissan Pavilion in VA? I'll be there,
>either in a DT or QR shirt and a ponytail. It's gonna be great.
Yep, I'll be there - wearing a Screaming In Digital shirt! (Only because
I havent had the money for a 'jam shirt yet.) Maybe we'll see each
other...
..and it WILL be great.
DJW, on drummers...
> Someone was also slagging Large Oilrig from
> Metallica the other day -
You must be another old Kerrrang reader...
> I've always thought he's a great drummer,
> not in the same league as MP, but solid as fuck and adds exactly the
> right feel to their music.
He does some really odd stuff that you don't notice unless you pay
attention. Technically, he's good drummer, but he has good IDEAS... (See
previous quote about playing ability)
Of course, so does MP - and he smokes Lars! :)
>
> Anyway - I'll leave you with a joke - How do you know when the drum
> riser is level? The drummer dribbles out of both sides of his mouth!
I have actual eyewitness testimony to this... :)
You know, I think I've posted more this week than I ever have. OH NO!!!
You people are starting to effect me! Soon I'll become some wierd guy
who posts bizarre stories, opinionated rants, and 10,000 degree
flames...
Yeah, like we need another one of those around here. :)
TTFN
Mike
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive, but verrrrrry tired after being
at work at 5:30...
http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
>
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:14:23 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Marky Mark and odd time signatures :)
Message-ID: <33AA741F.5358@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> Oh no, not another "What is prog?" Thread! I'd rather talk about Marky
> Mark and the Funky bunch!
Okey dokey, you asked for it ;) Thanks to the wacky accent constructor
for returning a properly formatted string :)
"Clahk the aadvahk drank cutty sahk aftah dahk with Mahky Mahk!"
> ~Eckie wishes there was a REAL alternative to Money TV
There is: It's called the 'club scene' :)
> I just caught the posts regarding this "secret list" that some record
> stores claim to have. What they are referring to is a little-known
> CD magazine called "Ice,"
Actually, what the counter person at Strawberries indicated (gee that
was almost a month ago!) was that they got their information from
"Strawberrires Central" who got their information from WEA.
> Sorry to disappoint, but you can't expect miracles
I expect nothing. Don't shoot the messenger :)
> Speaking as an ex-Strawberries manager (the store has since ceased to be
Hmmm...better tell 'em to take that damn sign down then! Are you sure
the defibrillator and 10cc of epinephrine didn't do the trick? :)
> See, everyone, how nice we all can be if we just use some common courtesy?
> :)
It's a fine line between pleasure and pain :)
Have a great weekend,
The Effervesecent Jon
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"Bill collectors, why won't you leave me alone?"
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:48:12 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neil Peart interview
Message-ID: <199706201247.AA04333@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hey all,
Here's an interview with Neil about the Burning for Buddy sessions and
some info about the new live album. But since the "historical" info
isn't exactly right, I suggest you take it at face value.
http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/970619/entertainment/stories/music_peart_1.html
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new megadeth Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970620085430.794A-100000@reagan.mcl.bdm.com>
I got the new megadeth yesterday and after a quick first listen I think its great. I can't remember but was the time only 46 minutes? Anyway it definitely isn't a Youthanasia II or Countdown II. They didn't go grunge either. I'll listen to it more this weekend when the fiance is out of town and I can play it real LOUD...
I only have 8 days until I get married. Anyone have any last words for me?
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