YTSEJAM Digest 2657
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Megadeth and marriage...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
2) Megadeth tix
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
3) NDTC: FW on Hardradio
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
4) modes
by
5) NSGC(no spice girls content :)
by caber1@concentric.net
6) Tuatara
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
7) Karaoke, gods, muds...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) New Songs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
9) APSOG Remix
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) whoa.. KevMo /Apsog
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) URGENT (NDTC) - need rush boot from current tour
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
12) Re: words, modes, sight-singing, yadda, yadda, yadda...
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Nuptuals
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
14) Nine Inch Nails, Ten Inch Men
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
15) Holy Live
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) Prog in the news
by Steven Dob <steve@magma.COM>
17) re: Marky Mark and other odd time signatures
by Steven Dob <steve@magma.COM>
18) my URL changed
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:37:45 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Megadeth and marriage...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970620133745Z-801@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Pat D. said...
>I got the new megadeth yesterday and after a quick first listen I think
>its great. I can't remember but was the time only 46 minutes? Anyway it
>definitely isn't a Youthanasia II or Countdown II. They didn't go grunge
>either. I'll listen to it more this weekend when the fiance is out of
>town and I can play it real LOUD...
I really need to buy this. If all the picky MF's on this list are saying
it's good, there must be something to it. I really hope so - Megadeth
used to be a huge thing for me, but Countdown didn't do much for me, and
I only like about three soungs on Youthenasia...
>
>I only have 8 days until I get married. Anyone have any last words for me?
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The poster of this message in no way condones these actions, he is
merely making a joke. Please use your sense of humor and a little bit of
discretion when replying, as the poster is SICK of getting his behind
burned black by fellow 'jammers that can't take a joke, yet refuses to
give up his right to say anything that Skadz, in his infinite wisdom
(which is usually handed down after a nearly infinite period of delay),
deems permissable. LIGHTEN UP! :)
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(BTW, I know you're cool, Pat, this is for the benefit of some
others...)
Wait about two weeks, and then use this method to determine if your
marriage will last -
Leave "Images and Words" running on repeat in the CD player. All day.
Singing incessantly, out of key, with incorrect lyrics like -
"Pull My Finger, Pull My Finger, Pull My Finger and be afraid"
"You're fighting the will of the world, and no one can save you this
time"
"Death is the first dance, internal'
etc. Add in some LaBrie - style live comments between songs like
"What is this, a fuckin' circus?'
Spin wildly around the room making stupid faces and playing air guitar
during Petrucci's solos...
Just stand there and look bored during Kevin's solos - then you're just
like him!
Oh yeah, and do this while wearing overalls with no shirt and not saying
a word in conversation...
If you're still in the same area code at the end of the day, she'll
probably be able to put up with you...
See, I'm getting better - I managed to get some DT content into my
stupid gratuitous humor this time...
>
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:51:23 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth tix
Message-ID: <199706201356.GAA17884@odin.ax.com>
Hello,
Yeah, I know I just posted. For those who care, Megadeth tix for NYC
and Asbury Park, NJ go on sale at noon today. Nice of Ticketbastard to
let me know on the very day the tickets go on sale. I'll delete my sig
since you just saw it.
-- ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers **************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: NDTC: FW on Hardradio Message-ID: <199706201423.KAA29339@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Just was checking out the Hardradio site (www.hardradio.com) and discovered that they have some remix of track II from FW's APSoG. I can't quiet tell how much of the differences come from the remix and how much of it comes from the conversion to a 20.0 kbps RA file, but it does sound different...
Anyway, go into the main hardradio site, and click on the "music" button (as opposed to tune in, which takes you to their live feed.
Anyway, wasn't sure if thus had been mentioned or not, since I just got back to town and have not read alot of the backlog or not... but check out the site... they normally have some cool stiuff on their live feed as well...
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:45:23 -0400 To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: modes Message-ID: <33AA9783.689B@erols.com>
If you are used to singing with moveable do, singing in the modes usually is not a problem with a little practice. My solfeg teacher was always giving us modal exercises. I always found Locrian easier than Phrygian, it must be a personal thing. :)
Yes I will be at the Nissan tonight. I will be wearing a Roll the Bones t-shirt with the kid kicking the skull. Saw the concert at the US Air in November. It really kicked ass.
If this doesn't make any sense, forgive me - it's my first post to the jam.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:16:27 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NSGC(no spice girls content :) Message-ID: <33AABAEA.4CD2@concentric.net>
Hi ryan & everyone else, [snip chop bash Spice Girls crap that I wrote bash chop snip] > What the HELL is this?!?!?! This is a Dream Theater mailing list. Yes, I > know we all talk about other bands, but their either other prog bands or > bands like Metallica! What the F*ck is tise "Spice Girls" CRAP doing on tis' of thee, sweet lam--oh hi! :) ^^^^
> this list? Go find somewhere else to discuss this and stop wasting space! Okay, first if you read my post I was poking fun at them(something that's been done before on the 'jam, and what's going to happen again and again). Oh yeah this is the Dream Theater list, hmm, I remember in that greeting email thing I got that we're allowed to discuss other bands. Oh, you say they have to be prog, hmm, well, what about Megadeth everyone wants to talk about them. Oh I guess they're covered on under the Metallica group, but, we're NOT supposed to about Metallica oh okay that makes sense Ryan(not you Skadz this guy :). Hmm, about why its on the list well...SOMEONE ASKED IF SOME ELSE HAD SEEN IT SO I GIVE A REVIEW(oh how I like caps lock)! Oh my fookin' Ged I was helping some else!! I know I really am a bastard... :-/ Oh by the way it wasn't a huge thread, it was only one post. If everyone posted about every single post that wasn't prog or "Metallica" or whatever they thought was in their view of the way this list should be the 'jam would be a third everyone complaining and two thirds of me shouting at them and Tick quotes! So get off your high horse.
Hmm, this time I don't think I'll use a Tick quote...
"A snap judgement. The bane of the Internet." -Mark Waid John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:34:29 -0700 From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> To: "rocabado carlos" <crocabadex@hotmail.com> Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tuatara Message-ID: <l03102802afd04b3cb2f2@[128.95.235.96]>
"rocabado carlos" <crocabadex@hotmail.com> asked:
> i'm looking for information about a group > called Tautara
Tuatara. You may think I'm nit-picking, but it will help you find it if spelled properly :^)
> ( incl. members of REM
Peter Buck
> Screaming trees,
Barrett Martin (Trees drummer)
> los lobos),
Incorrect. (2 for 3--not bad :^) The other members are Justin Harwood (of the band Luna) and Skerik (Sadhappy and Critters Buggin). Other musicians making appearances are: Steve Berlin, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Scott McCaughey (Minus 5 and REM), and Elliott Haas.
> anyone has bought its album?
Yes, a few copies. Hmm.. how do describe this, since I'm not very good at reviewing or classifying music. (Get it!!) It's instrumental groove that's very Middle East-tinged, some solid jazz undercurrents, and a touch of ambient/mellow to it. Many different instruments that aren't frequently played together--the first song equipment list is: drums, marimba, percussion, tablas, congas, bullroarer, Tibetan horns, Taos thunder drum, steel drum, acoustic guitar, upright bass, saxophones, dijeridu, steel drum, percussion, temple gongs, bombard. The other songs don't use that many instruments, but hopefully you get the idea. (Get it!!)
It's definitely _not_ hard rock, metal, or progressive rock, for those who only want to listen to those categories. And it's not like anything you'd expect from any of those musicians involved (well, Skerik may be the closest). If you like Material's "Hallucination Engine," there's a similar feel. And if you don't know "Hallucination Engine," get that one, too--it _is_ the ultimate ambient/jazz/fusion/world album.
The production quality is outstanding--it's actually the first thing that jumped out on my first listen.
I also highly recommend Skerik's other bands: Sadhappy is a drum/bass/sax hard rock (mostly instrumental) trio that is amazing--Paul Hinklin is the first bassist to make my jaw drop since I saw Stu Hamm on Satch's "Flying in a Blue Dream" tour. Check out "Live: Before We Were Dead" (which contains one of the most kickass versions of "Manic Depression" I've ever heard) as a starting point. And they've got a new album (sans Skerik) coming out in a few weeks w/ Michael Manring. Critters Buggin is an improv jazz/fusion/noise band w/ other guys (non-Sadhappy). I recommend their first album (there's only two), "Guest", as a starter.
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"Morty was the greatest garbage man that ever lived in the history of New York City. He could push an International Harvester garbage truck to a top speed of 185 miles an hour, while still being able to execte a 360-degree turn in 1-1/2 truck lengths. And with his two partners, Jesus and Martine, they could complete a nine-and-a-half-hour garbage route in 1 hour and 14 minutes. This is dedicated to Morty, Jesus, and Martine--the Holy Trinity of New York City garbage men." -- "Morty the Garbage Man", Sadhappy
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:20:56 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Karaoke, gods, muds... Message-ID: <199706201543.IAA19246@odin.ax.com>
Hello, So I have one of these on my stereo: >And anybody know how those 'Karaoke' buttons on stereos work?
And when this guy writes, I think, "Dear God, someone wants to have a DT karaoke party..." But then the same guy mentions a use I had never before thought of:
>in any case, the only way that thing helps me is when it brings up >rythm guitars buried in the mix.
Now that's a cool idea. The button drops out the frequencies that tend toward the high end of the range, much like the eq presets on a stereo have a pop setting to bring up the vocals (and a jazz setting to bring out the mids, and rock to bring up the bass). I found the jazz preset to be especially helpful in making tapes since my damn car stereo seems to have been made for techno and rap: all bass... But back to what this fella mentioned, I've always had trouble transcribing the newer Rush stuff (Signals thru RtB) because of the amount of layering and chorus. So does this help with that kind of thing? Make my life easier...
>>Clapton is God.
>One can tell you're a bass player, D ;)
Yep, gotta agree. Clapton, Beck, and Page were all different shades of the same style guitarist. One is no more of a God then the other. They're all legends though, so let's not go on that trip again.
>if we could just role play ourselves as rockers, fighting the likes of >Electra record executives, "gangsta" rappers, and toenails!
Yeah, but then you'd get people at virtual concerts killing a virtual LaBrie for cracking a bad note. Or someone killing the virtual Sherinian in hopes of a virtual Moore abandoning ChromaKey to return to DT... Oh, and to the guy seeing Megadeth at Great Woods. I saw them at a place in NY called the Capitol Theater, with is an auditorium with seats and all. From the seats to the stage there was about 20 feet of open space. Almost the entire capacity of the auditorium tried to cram into that space. It was the mosh pit from hell. Not to mention it was over 100 degrees outside, thus making it at least 110 degrees inside. Why MD would play any venue with seats is beyond my capacity for understanding. But then, liking Independence Day is beyond my understanding too... :P -- ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:andrew.forcier@prudential.com -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com **************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:25:35 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Songs Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970617010128.5406C-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Rick Audet wrote:
> Now Playing: Dream Theater, "Guitar Talkin'"
You know what? My prefered song from the 7 that I have heard is "Where Are You Now?".
BTW, which song is this "Lost Without You"?? This CD has this song and I think that it really kicks ass, but it has no further information...
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:31:39 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: APSOG Remix Message-ID: <33AAB06B.491B@caribe.net>
Whoa..the apsog remix of part II in hardradio.com its actually prettycool!! ... even thou its more industrial-based ..its still rules
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"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:44:24 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: whoa.. KevMo /Apsog Message-ID: <33AAB368.1BBA@caribe.net>
CHeck this out..i got this from hard radio interview with Ray Alder
SR: Is Kevin playing piano as well? RA: Yeah. The funny thing is that Jim, our guitar player, actually wrote all the keyboard and piano parts. Kevin just came and laid down what was on the tape. A lot of people think Moore wrote the parts, but it's not true. --
whoa...i can include myself there.. hehe i thought kev wrote the keys parts
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: URGENT (NDTC) - need rush boot from current tour Message-ID: <199706201702.KAA05698@fraser>
Hi, sorry for the NDTC, does anyone have a rush boot from the current tour that they'd be willing to trade me as soon as possible? let me know, and i'm sure we can work something out.
thanks,
tim
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: words, modes, sight-singing, yadda, yadda, yadda... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970620132136.2060C-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> Anyone going to see Rush tonight at Nissan Pavilion in VA? I'll be there, > either in a DT or QR shirt and a ponytail. It's gonna be great.
I'll be there wearing my DT "an evening of new music" long sleeve. Can't wait till tonight!!!!!!!!
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:20:55 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nuptuals Message-ID: <19970620.112522.14126.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Pat Daugherty said: >I only have 8 days until I get married. Anyone have any last >words for me?
Congrats dude!
Maybe I can get Al to trade me a video of the Wedding. }:-)
Scott
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:57:48 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nine Inch Nails, Ten Inch Men Message-ID: <199706201857.LAA13950@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> > >I just have to butt in here. I got the Altura album even after a few >reviews here criticized them for things like 'really weird transitions' and >things like that, and I'll agree that some of that does not sit well with >me either. But that's only a small part of any one given song! I think >they show a HUGE potential. There are moments on this album that are >little bursts of total brilliance.And Chad Gibson, the drummer, is an >absolute phenom, no question.
I agree with most of this. They DO have a lot of potential, but I'd say they've actually REALIZED a substantial portion of it, as well. They DO mix things up a little, but "Metropolis" is held up as a massive piece of brilliance on this list, and that's a tune that gets pretty damn disrupted at times. I don't mind it at all, really.
>And I've also seen some 'they're just DT clones' stuff, which I simply >cannot understand. They are no more DT clones than most of the other bands >that get raves around here - LV, Shadow Gallery, etc.
I'll agree with that, as well. There IS a Dream Theater vibe to some of it, and it sounds to me that they were influenced by the band, but a LOT of the Magna Carta bands sound like that to me. Dream Theater has been one of the definitive progressive bands of the last decade or so....it's natural for the new crop of bands to show some influence.
Five Gratutious CD's: ===================== 1. Genesis: We Can't Dance 2. Fates Warning: Parallels 3. Ministry: Psalm 69 4. Ten Inch Men: Pretty Vultures 5. Eric Gales Band: Picture of a Thousand Faces
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:20:36 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Holy Live Message-ID: <33AAD804.5E3D@caribe.net>
Just got Holy Live, thanx to Chung NG!! Very Cool disc..a must for angra fans... oh and chung ..dont worry..your cd is on the way
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"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 12:28:53 PDT From: Steven Dob <steve@magma.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog in the news Message-ID: <9706201929.AA05712@magma.COM>
Can you see it now . . .
"Good evening, I'm Tom Brokaw, and this is NBC Nightly News. Tonight, Into the heart of the Progressive Music Movement. Is this the new religion of the next millenium? . . ."
In all my dreams, I never would expect to see or hear a story like that in/on the mainstream news. Only time we hear ANYTHING about music (of any sort) on the news is when some musician kills himself, is shot, or arrested. Whatever happened to the nice side of the music buisness?
Whelp, I have to admit, work sux without any DT or Rush or FW pumping through my veins. Have to settle for Muzak. <shudder> Someone give me some uppers!!!!!
Live long, Prosper, and Prog forever.
Brachett (aka Steve) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Steven G. Dob e-mail: steve@magma.com MAGMA support@magma.com 6725 Mesa Ridge Road # 100 Tel: 619-457-0769 San Diego, CA 92121 Fax: 619-457-0798 Web:http://www.magma.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 12:35:48 PDT From: Steven Dob <steve@magma.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Marky Mark and other odd time signatures Message-ID: <9706201936.AA05756@magma.COM>
Did the aadvahk tahk to a lahk in the pahk while drinking cutty sahk? Or was he stahk raving mad about the shahk attack in the dahk?
I LIKE this thread!!!!
Sorry, got a bit excited I guess.
Brachett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Steven G. Dob e-mail: steve@magma.com MAGMA support@magma.com 6725 Mesa Ridge Road # 100 Tel: 619-457-0769 San Diego, CA 92121 Fax: 619-457-0798 Web:http://www.magma.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:19:21 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: my URL changed Message-ID: <33AAE5C9.2BD8@auburn.net>
To both of you that care, I finally moved my site to the URL listed in my .sig. It doesn't yet reflect the fact that I've got 10 megs to play with as opposed to 2, but it will soon. -- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * ***********************************************************************
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