YTSEJAM Digest 2658
Today's Topics:
1) New music review site
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
2) mtv & whitewolf
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
3) spice girls ect.
by vancer1@juno.com
4) Tuatara
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
5) To anyone who cares...
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
6) Altura
by sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher X x)
7) The new release in July
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
8) Re: I need your answer or I may not get to go to concert
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
9) Re: The new release in July
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
10) Re: The new release in July
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2655
by GnRBrks@aol.com
12) Fear Factory on Muchmusic RIGHT NOW! ! ! ! ! !
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
13) See yaz!
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
14) Re: METAL ON MTV (NDTC)
by HseJackBlt@aol.com
15) Re: QR show in rapid ?
by HseJackBlt@aol.com
16) Re: Drummers...
by HseJackBlt@aol.com
17) Rush show: June 20th
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
18) Japan PPV video for trade???
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
19) Rush!
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
20) Re: RELEASE DATE?!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:10:33 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New music review site
Message-ID: <01BC7D8C.1A3F9800@localhost>
I just wanted to take a minute and tell you about our new website. Pixel
Planet contains reviews on a variety of topics, including music. Besides
reading reviews, you can add your own comments or read the comments of
other visitors. This will let you get the opinions of other people, not
just the review. Currently, there are reviews for CDs from Dream Theater,
Shadow Gallery, Altura, Fates Warning, Marillion (the new one) and other
bands. Check it out if you get a chance. Thanks!
DT - Pixel Planet
Reviews of CG software, books, programming tools, games, CDs and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:25:09 -0600
From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mtv & whitewolf
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970620172509.00689840@autobahn.mb.ca>
mtv music to vomit by
update on whitewolf expected sometime next week when test results come
back. anyone who cares can stay tuned.
techrat
btw i wanna pick up this new cd guitar talkin for him. where can a guy pick
a copy of this up?? send any responses to whitewolf's e-mail thanx.
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Open your eyes...and your mind will follow.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:39:30 EDT
From: vancer1@juno.com
To: caber1@concentric.net, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: spice girls ect.
Message-ID: <19970620.164241.7383.1.vancer1@juno.com>
>Okay, first if you read my post I was poking fun at them(something
>that's been done before on the 'jam, and what's going to happen again
>and again). Oh yeah this is the Dream Theater list, hmm, I remember in
>that greeting email thing I got that we're allowed to discuss other
>bands. Oh, you say they have to be prog, hmm, well, what about Megadeth
>everyone wants to talk about them. Oh I guess they're covered on under
>the Metallica group, but, we're NOT supposed to about Metallica oh okay
>that makes sense Ryan(not you Skadz this guy :). Hmm, about why its on
>the list well...SOMEONE ASKED IF SOME ELSE HAD SEEN IT SO I GIVE A
>REVIEW(oh how I like caps lock)! Oh my fookin' Ged I was helping some
>else!! I know I really am a bastard... :-/ Oh by the way it wasn't a
>huge thread, it was only one post. If everyone posted about every single
>post that wasn't prog or "Metallica" or whatever they thought was in
>their view of the way this list should be the 'jam would be a third
>everyone complaining and two thirds of me shouting at them and Tick
>quotes! So get off your high horse.
sorry, i just don't care for the Spice Girls. i enjoy this list a lot
because it has such a wide variety of stuff in it. i just thought that
the spice girls were a little too far. but then again if you want to
discuss them then go for it. my sisters in too them and plays it
constantly. good thing i can hook my 100 watt amp into my stereo and
blast metallica, coc or dt louder than her little radio can.
is there anywhere on the internet that i can go to hear tracks off of the
new megadeth album?
-ryan
vancer1@juno.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:36:46 -0700
From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
To: "rocabado carlos" <crocabadex@hotmail.com>
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tuatara
Message-ID: <l03102800afd0e0232a3c@[128.95.235.96]>
Earlier today, I said that Tuatara did not consist of members of Los Lobos.
That was somewhat incorrect. Steve Berlin is in Los Lobos, but he plays
bass penny whistle on only one song--I'm sure he's considered a guest
musician, not a full band member.
pg
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:57:01 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: To anyone who cares...
Message-ID: <199706210158.SAA26489@odin.ax.com>
To anyone who cares...
I just got my mailing address changed. I still have the old ibanez@cyberhig
hway.net addy, but pleast don't send mail there. I won't read it. :P The
new mail address is KorgX3@cyberhighway.net.
Thank you for your support.
--KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:15:16 EDT
From: sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher X x)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Altura
Message-ID: <19970620.231641.9767.0.SinkdraiN@juno.com>
>And I've also seen some 'they're just DT clones' stuff, which I simply
>cannot understand. They are no more DT clones than most of the other
bands
>that get raves around here - LV, Shadow Gallery, etc.
>'Mercy' has a lot of depth to it, along with some great vocal hooks that
I
>sing all day long. Yes, there are moments that are strange. BUT DON'T
LET
>THAT WRECK IT.
I had to chuckle at all the posts about Altura's transistions.
It appears that many listeners were turned off by their angular harmonic
and rhythmic modulations. Hhehehe.... Years ago there was this cool cat,
John Coltrane, of course! Nobody could get over his crazy style.
Instead of playing simple (not so simple!) lyrical lines over a solo this
nut started playing angular passages that left the listener in complete
confusion because no one predict his next move. Many could not listen to
him. He would , for example, play F# mixolydian over C7. Some licks are
so complicated that they can hardly be transcribed. Soon, others
followed (hundreds of jazzers) and it turned into the modern day NY
progressive sound. Each new player is always looking for ways to throw
the listener. They like to tease you.......just when you think you got
it, they throw a curveball. If you expect the band to help[ you through
a tune with easy to follow transitions (like many great prog) then you
better find a new style. The bands of this genre are progressing fast and
if they follow the road that Jazz and Classical have (stravinsky/Chick
Corea) we are in for some real abstract shit!!!! God, I love music.....
Do yourself a big favor and check out those unpredictable transitions
with open ears, I think you'll dig it! Altura definately is not at the
head of their game yet, though. In the right direction! I want to hear
more harmonic flavoring in the future of prog!
~sinkdraiN
any word on Visionary...sound cool
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:21:58 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The new release in July
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970621132158.006b4c98@powerup.com.au>
Greetings,
Well, you've all undoubtedly read about an alleged new release in July that
fellow ytsejamming types have mentioned hearing about. Well, please permit
me to put forward a theory with the hope that it will then spread into a
widespread rumour.
*ahem*
Point 1
A new release is being mentioned for July, which we all know to be rather
early seeing as DT are still in the studio.
Point 2
DT ask Mike Bahr not to release his bootleg of Ronnie Scott's Uncovered
gig. Since then we have heard nothing about this.
Now, the crunch (in case you haven't realised yet):
The new release could be the Uncovered gig! yeah! How about it?
Well, *I* like the idea...
Let me know what you think...
Love, Spiff
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:35:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I need your answer or I may not get to go to concert
Message-ID: <199706210335.WAA19352@parka.winternet.com>
Well most likely the promoters are sandbagging... they want to make sure the
seat (which are infront of the grass) sell out (or close to it) before they
start selling grass / lawn tickets....
Also most likely there will be some moshing as it is a heavy concert. But
they are never as bad as they seem. Just stay either in front or
behind the pit.....
Maybe I read this wrong.... Are they not selling tickets for the seats? and
only selling for the lawn? If so and there are a few number of seats
these can somethings got to Radio Stations, and other Coorperations before
they are ever offerred to the public.
good luck, I hope you can check them out!!!!
>
> Dear MEGADETH fans,
> I am hopefully going to see MEGADETH in Boston MA but I had a question about
> it I need answered. The venue is outdoors it has seats, and a big lawn where
> people can watch the show. For a strange reason they're not selling tickets
> for the grass seats, which will cost them thousands of $$. Would they do this
> because there could be the biggest frigon moshpit on Earth? My parents are
> not happy about that and I may not get to go!!!!! Please write back.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The new release in July
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970620234649.6642B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Nigel Bridgeman wrote:
> The new release could be the Uncovered gig! yeah! How about it?
>
> Well, *I* like the idea...
>
> Let me know what you think...
I *love* the idea, but I doubt it. Somehow I don't see EastWest chomping
at the bit to release another live album, when the studio album is almost
done, and they don't know how well it's going to sell in the US. My own
pet theory is that they listed the release date so early to whet our
appetites, and see if anyone else out there is paying attention, and that
the date will get pushed back and back until the record is released
sometime in September.
Of course, I could be wrong.
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:16:28 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The new release in July
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970621011333.23535A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Nigel Bridgeman wrote:
> DT ask Mike Bahr not to release his bootleg of Ronnie Scott's Uncovered
> gig. Since then we have heard nothing about this.
>
> The new release could be the Uncovered gig! yeah! How about it?
Well, I would love it if it had the *absolutely* complete
"Uncovered" with every single chatting (you may have noticed that they
have deleted some talking from the "A Change of Seasons" covers) etc.
Otherwise, I already have an "Uncovered" that has every song.
But what I'd really love to see is an Uncovered *VIDEO*.
> Let me know what you think...
This is what I think. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: GnRBrks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2655 Message-ID: <970621001321_158808600@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Hello Ville Vassi, Fellow Drummer/percussionist here. And yes MIKE PORTNOY is AWESOME!!!
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:40:29 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fear Factory on Muchmusic RIGHT NOW! ! ! ! ! ! Message-ID: <19970620.214030.14126.4.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
yO!
Just a quick note that right at this minute (9:30pm pacific) that FEAR FACTORY is hosting the Muchmusic show LOUD. If you can't get to it now it will be rerun at 4:30 am eastern (1am pac)
You're welcome ;-)
Scott ******************************************************************************************* Mary had a little lamb she kept in her backyard and when she took her panties off his wooly DICK got hard. - Dice ******************************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:48:31 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: See yaz! Message-ID: <199706210450.VAA27970@odin.ax.com>
Well, quick note...
I'M OUTTA HERE!!!!!
I'll probably be back after the new album's out. Anyone who cares to keep in touch, just note the new address, and I'll be glad to chat. Still be on IRC often enough as well.
Take care and keep on jammin! --KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:01:59 -0400 (EDT) From: HseJackBlt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: METAL ON MTV (NDTC) Message-ID: <970621010158_1925350323@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>Woo hoo! I saw a smithering of metal on MTV! And it wasn't even in a >news archive talking about the Ozzfest.... >IT was, of course, the Megadeth:Cryptic Writings ad....heh, I flipped on >the station and there was good ol' Mustaine snarlin' at the camera with >half of his LONG HAIR covering his face...
I saw the entire "Trust" video: I was making my rounds at work, and I saw Mustaine on the TV without his King V, so my curiosity was piqued. Longtime 'Jammers know that I don't care for Megadeth, and in particular, their last 2 albums, but I really like the new song. Anyway, everyone else looked and played their normal instruments, and Mustaine was sporting this Gibson-Thunderbird-looking Jackson. I guess he can sit down and play his guitar now: flying v's can be a pain in the arse sometime. Oh yeah, one more thing, the video ran during the regular M2 broadcast at night.
Jack
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: HseJackBlt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: QR show in rapid ? Message-ID: <970621010558_615512246@emout09.mail.aol.com>
>Whoever went to the Queensryche show in Rapid, fess up and post >the setlist!!!! Inquiring minds want to know }:->
But please, puh-leeze, pretty please with sprinkles on top, if you're going to post information about Queensryche from this tour, please indicate so with "Spoilers" somewhere in your subject field or post. I like to be pleasantly surprised when I go see shows.
Jack
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: HseJackBlt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Drummers... Message-ID: <970621013412_-1026281531@emout20.mail.aol.com>
>Someone mentioned drummers...I know we're normally thought of as the >musicians poorer cousins, but let's face it DT would be shite without a god >behind the kit (well maybe not shite but it's the rhythms and different time >signatures that make this band stand out - big style).
Agreed. The drummer can make the difference between a good band and a great band, and I think moreso than anyone else in the band. And this is from a non-drummer's perspective.
>Someone was also slagging Large Oilrig from Metallica the other day - I've >always thought he's a great drummer, not in the same league as MP, but solid >as fuck and adds exactly the right feel to their music.
Lars and Mike are simply more than just drummers in their respective bands. Lars takes care of the business aspect of his band, and he dealt with the Elektra lawsuit head on. Mike is his band's historian, probably the most accessible member of DT, clinician, and just look at his involvement in "Working Man", for example. Both guys are spokesmen for their respective bands, and when either of them talk, I listen.
>There can sometimes be too much emphasis on how fast or how talented but let's >not forget that it's more important to play something that fits or feels right or just >adds that certain something to make a track sound spot on.
Exactly. Technique is nice, but it's what and how you do with your technique that really matters. Some people argue that "less is more." Others want to "shred or die." Just shut up shuttin' up and play!
>I think that's the reason Jimmy Page is so respected the man is a riff master - >don't you think?
I can't get into Page's music like his then-contemporaries. I certainly realize his talent and influence on my favorite players, it's just that I don't see Zeppelin as the mega-band that others are more than welcome to. I also remember a Page interview where he revealed that he really didn't know any scales, so yes, the man is a riff master, and a self-taught one at that. Jack (a U.S. 'Jammer guitarist/bassist/saxophonist/air drummer)
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush show: June 20th Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970621013924.3808A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Well,
I just got back from seeing Rush. Pretty good show. But there were too many ignorant drunk people at the show and they made things really annoying.
It's also bad that Rush skipped playing songs from many albums such as "power windows", "presto", "signals", and others.
Oh yeah, I went with a friend of mine who likes Rush but is not die-hard and he was asking me about which songs Rush was going to play. "Are they gonna play that song called 'red baracuda?'"
:)
Also, my friend told me that before a certain song, Geddy would say "this next song is from MY album 'counterparts.'" I didn't hear Geddy say "my" at all, but my friend said that he heard him say this. Can anyone that has been going to the shows shed some light? Thanks.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:51:40 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Japan PPV video for trade??? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970621023917.23761A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
Hi, All.
Well, I have just received this JPPV video and it has really nice sound (say A, stereo), but the video is terrible (say, B or B-). And I know that it's 2nd generation *at least* (counting the first person who taped from the broadcast as 0th generation or master).
Maybe I'm a videophile and I don't know, but I would really like to get a better copy of this video (I think that I'm only interested in HiFi enabled copies). My copy is watchable, but I don't think that I had much fun watching its first 40 minutes, unfortunately due to some "waving" of the images (it seems to be a copy generated via RF cable and not via composite signal, if you know what it means).
I'm interested (as you have guessed now) in trading for this video. You can check my list of Dream Theater/Megadeth/Metallica bootlegs at <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>. Please, send your replies to <rbrito@ime.usp.br> containing the boots in which you are interested. Please, read my rules.
I'm sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but this is the place where the probability of people having this video is highest.
Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 04:01:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush! Message-ID: <199706210801.EAA06348@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Another outstanding concert by Rush. Woah, baby. My g/f's jaw was on the floor after seeing her first Neil Peart drum solo. She always used to say she hated drum solos. "Whee, i can hit stuff," she used to say. Feh. Not anymore. :)
The PA at that Nissan Pavilion is STERLING! It was not overly loud, everything was clear, it was a good mix <the guitar solos needed a boost, but...>. Great place to see a concert.
Here's some DT content <well, sort of...>:
I went to pick up my g/f. She lives in Bel Air <ca. 3 hrs from Nissan>. I brought lots of CD's. Whole mess o' Rush, Working Man, Carmina Burana, and APSoG. I figured we were good. We got to the concert fairly early and were in the car listening to music before going into get our seats. You all should have SEEN the hissy-fit she threw when she noticed that I had no Dream Theater with me. At first i thought she was kidding, but GUESS NOT! Anyone who has seen her would probably never think of someone as petite and cute as she is as scary, but then I looked at her and she was glaring at me and she had her contacts in so her eyes were MEGA-green and I must say that I was frightened for my life! Mental note: have DT CD at all times!
Great show from Rush. Much performance for your performance dollar!
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 03:46:17 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: RELEASE DATE?! Message-ID: <199706211046.DAA00024@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Scott Duren said: >Does anybody out there know what the release date is for the upcoming DT album? >Please respond to my private e-mail - 103430.227@compuserve.com > >S.D.D.
We already told you.... it's only going to be released in Japan with James singing Japanese... pay attention!!
Plus, all the songs sound like Smashing Pumpkins and RATM mixed together...
-The Doc
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