YTSEJAM Digest 2669
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2666
by Sinbinman1@aol.com
2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2668
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
3) Rush, Rush, oh baby, come to me! (SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
4) Distant early ramblings
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
5) Double CD slim cases
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
6) Re: Rush and Shout Out...
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
7) Betsy Ross and Betty Boop
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
8) AOR
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
9) huh? :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) Clockwork web page
by "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
11) Re: to do stuff
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2668
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Rush/
by sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher X x)
14) Book Review
by sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher X x)
15) Helloween -M. Weikath
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
16)
by A <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sinbinman1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2666
Message-ID: <970625115118_-1830923354@emout14.mail.aol.com>
please stop this e-mail please i am no longer interested. thankyou
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:01:29 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2668
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970625160129Z-1418@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Phil Wrote:
>I too tried to find the new Divine Regale today and after calling
>several stores and explaining that it's not spelled Devine Regal I gave
>up. I'll go looking for it eventually.
I just ordered it from CDNow. It was on sale, too!
Shane Wrote:
>
>Hey all... I just wanted to comment on a Rush Boot I just picked up, it is
>called Rush Hour. It is really early, 1974. Previously the majority of
>the Rush stuff I had heard was Exit, Presto, Moving Pics, Hemisphres, and
>their newer stuff. This thing is a concert between their 1st and 2nd
>albums and it sounds like they are playing to a crowd of like 15 people.
>Oh and whoever said they sound like Led Zep, you are right. Geddy sounds
>like he really wants to be Robert Plant. But some of the songs are pretty
>cool (Fly By Night and Working Man).
Do they introduce Neil as the new drummer in this one? If they do, it
may be the CD version of an album boot a friend of mine has, and it's
Neil's first show!
>
Chip Wrote...
>On Tue, 24 Jun D-man wrote:
>
>>Congrats. Welcome to the fold. :)
>
>Baaaaaaa
Send in the clones!
>
Buck (Andrew) wrote...
>>2. Marallion - Made Again
>
>All right, I imagine Itchy will be all over this, but I thought I'd go
>to the Jam. I *really* like the song Easter on the Uncovered boot. Is
>this representative of Marillion? If so, and I like this song, what CD
>should I pick up? (In other words, which CD is Easter on?) I saw some of
>their CDs at the Princeton Record Exchange, but they were all over $16.
>I only pay that much for boots and imports (or Bahr discs :) ).
Easter is on "Season's End", and the song is a fav of mine, too. For
albums, though, I'd say get "Misplaced Childhood", "Clutching At
Straws", or "Brave". Any of these is worth $16 - $20. I've listened to
"Childhood" at least once a week for ten years...
> Also, can someone recommend a My Dying Bride album? I remember the talk
>about them being good, but wasn't in the frame of mind for goth-metal at
>the time.
Try "The Angel and The Dark River". Totally cool, very evil stuff. I
like "Like Gods Of The Sun", too. Just draw the curtains closed, turn
off the lights, and brood. :)
Mike
Division - DC Power/Prog is alive and sweating our genitalia off...
>http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:36:01 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush, Rush, oh baby, come to me! (SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER)
Message-ID: <33B148F1.5B01@mailstorm.dot.gov>
D-MAN:
> Fortunately, uneventful for once.
Of course! Most vehicles tend to bounce off the truck on impact, D :)
> (Well, except for trying to keep up
> with Jon "Leadfoot" Parmet through Boston traffic. :)
But, but, officer? I was only going One Way :)
Hey, at least in Boston, unlike NYC, we STOP when a pedestrian is in
firing range :) Oh yeah, I forgot, it's not because you don't want to,
it's because you CAN'T!
> The acoustics were clear and clean, and at a perfect volume.
You know, I noticed that too. It was loud, but not enough to damage
inner ear thingies. Only took the sound man about a minute or so into
the first song to ping down the mix.
Here's my addition to an excellent review:
Neil
----Neil appeared to have some sort of injury to his right arm or else it was just a brace. Whether he was playing in pain or not, I just don't know what to say given the energy a guy for his age put out (same for Alex and Geddy!). D-man already put it into words better than I can.
Geddy -----
We (Skadz & I in one row, D-man & Rastafrog in another) were sitting on the side of the stage that was Geddy's space. Now being a guitarist and not a bassist, this would seem to be something to get upset at. It wasn't :)... Alex came over and said hello every now and then, though. Anyways, Geddy seemed to really be enjoying himself. He was hopping around on one foot, doing sort of an Angus impression (oh, no, he mentioned the forbidden group :)
Over the years, Geddy has lost some of his upper range, probably to the delight of some. I noticed, though, that on some parts of certain songs (e.g. end of Closer to the Heart), he went for it!!! The man tried!!!
On bass, Geddy was improving all over the familiar parts to the songs we all know and love. The Geddy climax for me, though, was when he just NAILED the bass fills before the guitar solo on YYZ!
Alex ----
I had to save the/my best for last :) This guy has always been what Rush IS, for me. Those trademark sounds he plays are what identify it as Rush. 2112? of course! Alex's extended improv during Discovery? God blessed us all....everyone :)
Once again, D totally calls it on Natty Sci. Alex actually altered the Earth's axis of rotation during the solo. I believe what he did can fall under the category of "shred" :) The melodies in the song pour out so much emotion, that if you didn't move your body during it, you really need to seek professional help :)
Overall -------
These guys know what a crowd wants to hear! They milked my titties dry :) Even some of the songs where they repeated a section multiple times worked for me. When I hear a song I like, I don't mind hearing sub-sections it again.
The high resolution screen had its pluses and minues. The big plus for me was being able to see them play the notes and wathcing have a good time. I personally got a little tired of the visual overload after a while. I came to HEAR RUSH PLAY, not WATCH JOE THE ANIMATOR IMPRESS ME WITH HIS BIT TWIDDLING! But I keep forgetting, this is the 90's. Sorry :)
The crowd vibe set up some sort of feedback loop with the band that folded in on itself as he night, progressed :) As D already said, these guys were in sync with each other. Of course, they've been together long enough, so they know each other's moves like a set of identical triplets might.
DT, as phenominal as they are (esp. in the studio), still have a little way to go with the live performance dynamic. Now, I've only seen DT live once, and Rush has been gigging live for a little over 20 years, so this is premature and probably unfair. Expect me to retract this statement, though, and go sit in a corner, real soon now :)
If you're up for good, move your body around, enjoy yourself, rock 'n fuckin' roll, go see Rush! Put away the memorized setlist that your mind won't let go of. A couple of pinheads just HAD to call out YYZ for the encore before the guys came back out (Time after time we lose sight of the way, our causes can't see their effects!).
Just let Rush drive :)
Ciao,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:39:21 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Distant early ramblings Message-ID: <33B149B9.391B@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Tofu Vai: > But I'm not finished, because now I'm gonna play it...FASTERRRR!!!" > Showmen show-off.
It ain't braggin' if you can back it up :)
~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh, spoke with Damon recently via e-mail. I convinced him to get his lazy ass back on the jam! This is as new and exciting a frontier (getting the YtseVets back) to conquer as much as converting the dis-believers into DT heads :) ~~~~~~~~~~~
Alison: "All cats die. Socrates is dead. Therefore, Socrates is a cat."
I like it :)
MMO: > The reason that it doesnt work consistently is that in pop music,
Perhaps we can get some electronics wiz (or perhaps Rick can concoct something over at Dolby Labs :) which detects "sucky" music and performs active noise cancellation on it :). Put the thing in "learn" mode, tell it what "sucky" is, and then relax as you are pampered by only the music YOU want to hear. Cost for the system: If you gotta ask, you can't afford it :)
Scott on FW: > What's wrong with these guys? Don't they know where the Bay Area is? ;-) >08/08 West Springfield Virginia Jaxx Nite Club
Looks like their finding out where the East Coast is :) Now if they just bang a left and head North, they're all set!
Ciao,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:07:06 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Double CD slim cases Message-ID: <19970625.101235.11262.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
The cheapest I find the slim 2cd cases for is .89 at Tower records.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:04:12 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rush and Shout Out... Message-ID: <19970625.101235.11262.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:50:56 -0700 (PDT) jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) writes: >Hey all... I just wanted to comment on a Rush Boot I just picked up, >it is called Rush Hour. It is really early, 1974. Previously the majority >of the Rush stuff I had heard was Exit, Presto, Moving Pics, Hemisphres,
>and their newer stuff. This thing is a concert between their 1st and 2nd >albums and it sounds like they are playing to a crowd of like 15 people. >Oh and whoever said they sound like Led Zep, you are right. Geddy >sounds like he really wants to be Robert Plant. But some of the songs are >pretty cool (Fly By Night and Working Man). This is from Electric Ladyland studios in 1974, at least the boot I have is from there. It's from before Fly By Night came out but with Neil. One of my all time favee boots.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:18:05 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Betsy Ross and Betty Boop Message-ID: <199706251718.KAA08698@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> > >If you can locate a copy of Stu's solo album "The Urge", the solo, >entitled "Quahogs Anyone", is on it. The solo varies nightly and tourly, >so it may not be the one you heard, but has many of the same elements.
There are a series of things that Stu mixes up playing live, depending on mood, as I understand it: "Country Music (A Night in Hell)," "Linus and Lucy," "Count Zero," a few others. "Linus and Lucy" was the crowd favorite for a long time, but he's wearied of playing it, so he whips it out less.
It SHOULD have been on the G3 disc, though.
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> > >On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Adam Barnhart wrote: > >> Five Gratuitous CD's: >> ===================== >> 1. Dream Theater: Awake >> 3. Rush: A Farewell to Kings >> 5. Tony MacAlpine: Edge of Insanity > >Three! I own three! This is a first. :)
Great minds, you know?
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Dream Theater: Images and Words 2. Weather Report: Heavy Weather 3. Led Zeppelin: Led Zeppelin I 4. Tori Amos: Little Earthquakes 5. Bob Marley and the Wailers: Confrontation
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:50:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AOR Message-ID: <v01520d03afd6d2af9e55@[207.90.117.68]>
>I think it's "ADULT ORIENTED ROCK". That means ROCK MUSIC >WITHOUT NUTS.
No, it does indeed mean "ALBUM oriented rock."
Used to be singles dominantly, then the Beatles came along- first mainly singles, then more "album oriented." Albums were not the main deal until right around that time...
That's where the name AOR comes from...though, now I'd agree with your statement about "without nuts." bolton, carey, and other drek...
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm Summer 1997 Update site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/ ---+ +---
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:57:52 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: huh? :) Message-ID: <33B16A30.C33@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Stuck Bodgers: > The best blues music comes with age and experience.
Two Words: BB KING (ok, ok, two initials and a word....happy? :)
Jason: > Show starts at 9 pm. No word on any opening acts. [for FW]
ChromaKey, perhaps? :)
Ciao,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:01:16 -0500 From: "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Clockwork web page Message-ID: <v03007800afd728d8aa33@DialupEudora>
Hey jammers, The Clockwork web page has been updated. Stop by and take a look at it. Point your browsers to: http://www.netti.fi/~japi/
Sign the guest book to let us know what you think (it's in the contact section). If there's anyone who hasn't gotten our disc yet, and wants it, it's only $8 and ordering info is in the events section.
*********************************** * Anthony Sciamanna * * Drums and Percussion * * CLOCKWORK * * st96d6z4@post.drexel.edu * * http://www.netti.fi/~japi/ * * (610)325-5840 * ***********************************
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:09:47 +0000 From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: to do stuff Message-ID: <199706252304.SAA18750@Walden.MO.NET>
> - reading Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy > - watching this is spinal tap > - getting my ass into grad school Well, I've already accomplished the first two (GREAT book and GREAT movie :), but I'm having a little trouble getting off my ass to do the last. At least someone else has that one down :). >Dale, I tried to e-mail you back at that whacky new e-mail address >and it *bounced*!! Hmm, not sure why that might be. It's still at: drnewb@mo.net. Eh, just try again and see what happens :). Damn, I was in a pool hall last ngiht. They had teh X-Games on. They showed 'deth playing, btu the sound was down and the jukebox was blaring some cheese-ball dance music (may have been the Spice Girls :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2668 Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970625200439.24436A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Blevins, Mike wrote:
> >Hey all... I just wanted to comment on a Rush Boot I just picked up, it is > >called Rush Hour. It is really early, 1974. Previously the majority of > >the Rush stuff I had heard was Exit, Presto, Moving Pics, Hemisphres, and > >their newer stuff. This thing is a concert between their 1st and 2nd > >albums and it sounds like they are playing to a crowd of like 15 people. > >Oh and whoever said they sound like Led Zep, you are right. Geddy sounds > >like he really wants to be Robert Plant. But some of the songs are pretty > >cool (Fly By Night and Working Man). > > Do they introduce Neil as the new drummer in this one? If they do, it > may be the CD version of an album boot a friend of mine has, and it's > Neil's first show!
I too have the Rush Hour boot and I think that show took place on 12/5/74. Neil's first show with Rush was on August 14, 1974 and was in Pittsburgh.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:36:51 EDT From: sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher X x) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush/ Message-ID: <19970625.203906.7319.0.SinkdraiN@juno.com>
Rush at the E-Center, NJ kicked = I bought my first Iron Maiden CD (no lie) a couple days ago. I got X Factor and was not impressed! The band sounded great but the vocals were horrible. How could the producer let him get away with such intonation. Tone quality was bad and i thought he had the emotion of a dead fish. Any comments/rebuttals on this. Hopefully i will like the old singer better! Sorry if this topic was already discussed. How hard is it going to be to find Angra, Royal Hunt, and Stradivarious... can these discs be ordered at a local music store or is this going to be an internet deal? I found out that my private sax teacher is the sax player on Crimson Glory's "strange and Beautiful" album. his name is Ron Kerber smoking player...now plays with Pieces of a Dream
~sinkdraiN
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:36:51 EDT From: sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher X x) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Book Review Message-ID: <19970625.203906.7319.1.SinkdraiN@juno.com>
"Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns" by Nicolas Slonimsky. This old classical composer/ musicologist/ conductor came up with an organized method of forming scales. He literally has every possible combination of notes possible. John Stuart Mill wrote, "I was seriously tormented by the thought of the exhaustibility of musical combinations. The octave consists only of five tones and two semitones, which can be put together in only a limited number of ways of which but a small portion are beautiful: most of these , it seemed to me, must have been already discovered..." Slonimsky cocluded that there are only 479, 001, 600 combinations of the chromatic scale. All these combinations are in the book. John Mill has nothing to worry about, though. The sequential order of notes do not form a song. Dynamics, color, phrasing, tone quality, texture, timbre,rhythm etc adds an infinate amount of combinations. A guitarist with the ability to change the color and mood of a solo by using exotic scales is the future of prog rock. Progressive Jazzers have been doing it for years. A serious player how wants to modernize his/her playing should shed this book. Imagine if Petrucci was playing over a C7 vamp with a simple mixolydian mode. Then all of a sudden you notice an abrupt feeling of intensity because he starts playing C# mixo over the C7 then resolves it. Then out of no where he starts shedding in the Tetrotonic 13 b9 scale.....then to C minor pentamelody.....slowly the solo darkens........WOW! Prog Jazz players do it all time. The day a guitarist starts in a prog metal band will be too cool! Maybe it will be you.........GET THE BOOK!
~sinkdraiN
"...and for the alcohol. I think its bull shit <STEVEN!!!!!>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:42:40 -0400 From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Helloween -M. Weikath Message-ID: <199706260044.RAA02754@odin.ax.com>
>But I have some problems with this new Helloween, basicaly >because something I read in Angra FAQ.Michael Weitak said in an interview >that the guys from Angra would be better playing soccer instead of playing >metal. This thing pissed me off.Made me angry.
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did say this, because Michael Weikath is said to be a real asshole. He's blamed for Hansen and Kiske's departures. He's the guy that didn't let Ingo re-join the band, well we know what happened to Ingo. From what I've read, Weikath has an ego problem.
It's funny, I like ANGRA, because they have some similarities with Helloween (keeper era).
Elvis Batur cyclone@securenet.net
Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:42:19 +1000 (EST) From: A <breuric@tpgi.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199706260342.NAA24628@random.tpgi.com.au>
Wow ... way cool - be looking forward to this one->
>Hey, I just heard another new Tourniquet song. The title >track form >the forthcoming CD, "Crawl to China."
> Oh yeah, and I'll be seeing them in concert in a week :).
what are you Dale ??? a professional concert goer ??? seems your going everywhere dude! ahhhhh more power to ya! *sulks off to contain his jealousy...*
>Oh yeah, I'll also be seeing Saviour Machine the same >day as >Tourniquet, on the same stage :).
Wow! SM!!!!! be sure to post a review of both these bands for us bud! ; ) (how about a bootleg off this concert ?!) *g*
thats all - zajk-
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