YTSEJAM Digest 2670
Today's Topics:
1) Bolton, Carey, uuuuggghhh!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Neil Peart.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) Re: Helloween -M. Weikath
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
4) Iron Maiden, X-Factor, the Technotronic scale
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
5) Rush show 6/25 w/ major DTC!!
by George Bast <Gbast@Brickhouse.com>
6) RUSH and DT at same show (fuggin' A) ***
by Fates@aol.com
7) Re: Rush show 6/25 w/ major DTC!!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) Fix For '96, Loveline
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
9) FATES WARNING IN CA AND AZ
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
11) Help ME! *taa*
by BrentReurich <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
12) my new url
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Tourniquet CD DISCOUNTED HEAVILY !!
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
14) Prong/DT and stuff
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
15) JP's reply
by Santiago Leon <leons@ramt.com>
16) Trader list
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
17) Re: Bolton, Carey, uuuuggghhh!
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
18) Re: Help ME! *taa*
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:57:44 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bolton, Carey, uuuuggghhh!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970625205740.007da710@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 11:00 AM 6/25/97,,,, Dan, Galactic Cowboy man, wrote:
>That's where the name AOR comes from...though, now I'd agree with your
>statement about "without nuts." bolton, carey, and other drek...
Bolton and Carey aren't "rock" by ANY stretch. I think the dude was
talking about Dave Matthews types of bands. "Adult Contemporary" (huh
huh, or something ;)
I dig the sig :)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:07:59 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neil Peart.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970625210755.007f3490@postoffice.syspac.com>
Just a thought, any kick-ass drummers out there cross the L on their Pearl
bass drum heads so it reads like a T? heheh :) Peart. That'd be
something I'd prolly do if I was a skin-basher.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:13:04 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Helloween -M. Weikath
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970625211257.007df500@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 06:04 PM 6/25/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>But I have some problems with this new Helloween, basicaly
>>because something I read in Angra FAQ.Michael Weitak said in an interview
>>that the guys from Angra would be better playing soccer instead of playing
>>metal. This thing pissed me off.Made me angry.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did say this, because Michael
>Weikath is said to be a real asshole. He's blamed for Hansen...
WHAT?! A metal dude's stupidity is the reason we have Hansen?!
Mmm.....FUCK!! ;)~
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Vincent LuPone
vgl@syspac.com
obscuredude@geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:41:02 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Iron Maiden, X-Factor, the Technotronic scale
Message-ID: <19970626034501.AAA29134@sni.pananet.com>
> Rush at the E-Center, NJ kicked = I bought my first Iron Maiden CD (no
> lie) a couple days ago. I got X Factor and was not impressed! The band
> sounded great but the vocals were horrible.
Trust me their older stuff is muuuuuuuuuch better than that. And Bruce
Dickinson (they're old singer) has better range, intonation, emotion... you
name it, it's 10 times better than Blaze. You should get Powerslave, Piece
of Mind, or Somewhere in time... that was Maiden's peak... and you should
also consider getting Live after Death.... that CD, along with Metallica's
'Kill 'em All' lit a fire under my guitar playing butt. i.e. I learned
every song from beginning to end... then I moved on to Satriani :)
> modernize his/her playing should shed this book. Imagine if Petrucci was
> playing over a C7 vamp with a simple mixolydian mode. Then all of a
> sudden you notice an abrupt feeling of intensity because he starts
> playing C# mixo over the C7 then resolves it. Then out of no where he
> starts shedding in the Tetrotonic 13 b9 scale.....then to C minor
> pentamelody.....slowly the solo darkens........WOW!
<sarcasm> ooooh! sends shivers up and down my spine :)
Maybe when I finish my music studies I'll get as excited about it as you
are;)
jumpin' in the fiYAH!
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:24:04 -0400
From: George Bast <Gbast@Brickhouse.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush show 6/25 w/ major DTC!!
Message-ID: <903186231FDBD011BFFC00A0241BDF0E4BAD@exbert.brickhouse.com>
Hi Jammers,
I am a supreme lurker here on the 'Jam, but once in a while I post stuff
DT-related (clinic, concert reviews and stuff). Anyways, I just came
back from the Rush show at Jones Beach, NY and I'm totally stoked! I
had 18th row seats at the venue (my first time there) and it was a
beautiful night for a concert. Rush played their asses off and it was
the 2nd best performance I've ever seen them do, the best being last
Thursday at the PNC Bank Arts Center in Jersey.
Anyways, before the show started, I was sitting down waiting for it to
begin and lo and behold I see John Petrucci to my right walking down the
aisle. I didn't realize it was him at first because I've never actually
seen him up close, and he looks MUCH taller on stage, for whatever
reason. It was confirmed when I noticed James Labrie right behind him.
Followed by Derek. Followed by Mike. John M came a little later on.
So I had the whole Dream Theater band and the 2 wives sitting 5 rows
directly in front of me!! I could not believe my luck. My 2 favorite
bands in the world were all within 30 feet of where I stood!
Naturally, I realized this was an opportunity to meet the band, but I
felt a bit nervous since I'm kind of a shy type of person and didn't
want to say something stupid. I have met Mike at a drum clinic over a
year ago, but that was no problem since he was out signing autographs
for everyone anyway. So, at the intermission, my friend and my little
sister (a 14-year-old DT fan!) walked up to them and shook their hands.
They were all SO friendly to us and I felt stupid for being so tentative
to say hello. Derek especially was friendly, even making sure that he
knew each of our names. We basically told them that we can't wait to
finally hear the new album and that we're huge fans of theirs. Derek
wanted me to pass the word that they expect a release date of *September
23* !
So there you go Jammers, from the men themselves. I must say that upon
meeting them and seeing how they treat their fans, this band is truly
special. Kudos to DT! Very down-to-earth, as most of you who have met
them have already noticed.
Take care...
George
gbast@brickhouse.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Fates@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RUSH and DT at same show (fuggin' A) ***
Message-ID: <970626025207_713315270@emout11.mail.aol.com>
Whats up Jammers,
I'm sure another Jammer beat me to it..but what the hell................
Just got my ass kicked by RUSH at Jones Beach, Long Island and was
pleasantly blown away when I see Petrucci and Myung walking right past my
aisle seat during "Trees". I screamed their names but it was too late.
Nevertheless, I definitely saw them coming back to their seats ('bout 5 rows
back on Lifeson's side) and saw them just hangin' out there during
intermission (during which I had to regain my strangth after "2112").
My friend and I tried to talk to them during intermission but was
immediately shot down by the guy who checks tickets for that section (wonder
if he was even human?)..anyhow I was able to catch Mike on the way out. I
was wearing my FATES WARNING "Inside Out" shirt and first thing he said was
"Great shirt!"..thought that in and of itself ruled.
I asked if it was possible that they would open for QUEENSRYCHE at Jones
Beach on July 30th but he said probably not cuz of all the studio work. Of
course I asked about the album and he told me that it was set for release on
Sept 23rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I'm not sure if I'm the first person to find this out or what..I can't
believe no one else noticed them at the show..it was incredible!! There had
to have more jammers there!
Anyway, it was just a great ending to a great show..RUSH rules supreme and
Mike P was super cool. I would have liked to talk to the rest of them
everyone was in a herd to get out of the place. Wheels within wheels in a
spiral array.........................
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:57:44 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush show 6/25 w/ major DTC!!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970625235742.00804100@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 10:54 PM 6/25/97, George the lurker wrote:
>They were all SO friendly to us and I felt stupid for being so tentative
>to say hello. Derek especially was friendly...
Oh great! Now those Bafu-esque gay rumors are gonna sprout up again :)
Anywayz, Sep 23rd, huh? Kick ass! Wow, good year for Metal. Ozzfest,
Megadeth, DT, Pantera live CD, Megadeth touring :), supposedly a "hard and
heavy" Metallica album out by the end of the year (Quoted from Dave
Mustaine in Guitar World), and a new...HEAVIER...more progressive...DREAM
THEATER CD. Es ist eine gute Jahre, ja! (hope my Deutsch is accurate :)
Thanks for the note about the band, George (gbast@brickhouse.com)! Much
appreciated!
Peace,
~Vinnie the tired
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thezbianz <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fix For '96, Loveline
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970626000743.37614D-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
> From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
> Subject: Fix for 96 boot
>
> It might be the only CD with the new songs, but it's not the only place
> you can get them. If you've absolutely GOT to have them, don't buy this
> CD! Set up a trade with someone who has a Fix tape instead. It will
> save you much money, and you will have committed a sin that will have
> sentenced you to a lesser degree of hell :)
Actually, if you've GOT to have them, I hear Mike Portnoy is trading Fix
shows for sliced bread. In fact, LaBrie was passing out Fix tapes last
week at his caribou farm in Canada.
My point is, regardless of what you may have heard, the band is just all
over the idea. Really. Spread the tapes around, I mean isn't that what the
band wanted in the first place?
Can you believe that all this time Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew have had a
radio show on every weeknight? Nationally-broadcast, 10pm, two hour show,
plus it ends at midnight so you can jump right over to MTV and get another
whole hour of quality psychological/carnal advice...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:28:27 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FATES WARNING IN CA AND AZ
Message-ID: <199706261028.DAA06531@gms.gmsnet.com>
Listen up!!
If you're going to Fates Warning July 24th in Corona, CA.
If you're going to Fates Warning July 27th in Phoenix, AZ.
And also we'll see if Fates plays at Northern Lites, Lakewood, CA.
I WILL BE THERE!! E-MAIL ME... we'll rage!!
I will be there with tons of bastages... :)
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:58:32 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970626205832.006b64dc@powerup.com.au>
Greetings,
Recently in the jam of Ytse:
>please stop this e-mail please i am no longer interested. thankyou
Begging will get you nowhere... --- Dan Temmesfeld wrote:
>>I think it's "ADULT ORIENTED ROCK". That means ROCK MUSIC >>WITHOUT NUTS. > >No, it does indeed mean "ALBUM oriented rock."
For years I thought it meant "American Oriented Rock". Hmm... --- Sinkdrain happened to say:
>Rush at the E-Center, NJ kicked = I bought my first Iron Maiden CD (no >lie) a couple days ago. I got X Factor and was not impressed! The band >sounded great but the vocals were horrible. How could the producer let >him get away with such intonation. Tone quality was bad and i thought >he had the emotion of a dead fish. Any comments/rebuttals on this. >Hopefully i will like the old singer better! Sorry if this topic was >already discussed.
Um... Blaze is one of my favourite singers. Spiff doesn't like it when people criticise Blaze. That's bad. I admit that he was more in his element with Wolfsbane, but he definately suits all of the songs on the very-much underrated The X Factor.
If he does sound bad it's because of Steve Harris' and Nigel Green's production. That's the only thing wrong with the album. Anyone know who's producing the new album? I'm surprised I haven't read anything, seeing as they're recording it at the moment. --- In other news...
*Still waiting for my discs from KTS... I ordered them around the end of May. How long do they normally take? I haven't checked if they've debitted my Mastercard yet... Maybe they closed down just as I was ordering...
*My job sucks...
*I get the feeling that a Very Cool Band are going to tour Australia soon... have no idea who though...
*I've listened to "Album of the Year" twice thus far and it's failed to leave an impression on me. I'll have to give it a few more tries...
*Megadeth's "Cryptic Writings", on the other hand, is still the number one release of the year so far, even better than Bruce Dickinson's "Accident of Birth" and Fates Warning's not-as-good-as-I-first-thought "A Pleasant Shade of Gray".
*I'm going to buy a guitar soon. I was looking at some tab books at a music store the other day - the only book that had any DT songs was a compilation one with "Caught in a Web" and "Lie"... but it was for 7 strings... damn...
--- IN THE CD PLAYER:
1. "Accident of Birth" - Bruce Dickinson 2. "Live at the Marquee" - Dream Theater 3. "Cryptic Writings" - Megadeth 4. "Streets" - Savatage 5. "Piece of Mind" - Iron Maiden
Bye!
Love, Spiff
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:59:43 +1000 (EST) From: BrentReurich <breuric@tpgi.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Help ME! *taa* Message-ID: <199706261059.UAA11300@random.tpgi.com.au>
Just a quick note to ask a favour..... I'm about to buy some CD's on-line . - I am thinking of using CDNow - is there any other on-line ordering site that is better?? prices/service - or someone specialising in metal/prog??
Also would someone let me know Jim Matheos' solo effort is like - is it as great as I imagine it to be ??
and finally are there any 'must have' wonderful albums anyone has to recommend ??? - I'm after great prog with EMOTION! - and i especially enjoy concept albums..... also 'symphonic' type stuff, and music that is very varied, mood evoking and dark ??
thanks for taking the time <- DTC *shrugs.....well Itried!*
thanks in advance zajk-
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:34:11 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: my new url Message-ID: <199706261134.EAA07089@gms.gmsnet.com>
Alright folks:
You can now access: http://progmetal.gmsnet.com/
the old url will also be available forever probably... :)
http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:36:45 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tourniquet CD DISCOUNTED HEAVILY !! Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970626143645Z-13084@carrier.rd1.bostech.com>
OK. Here's the scoop. Tourniquet "Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance" from Metal Blade c1993. This CD is great. Really great. Would I kid the jam ?? I just dont happen to like it. I tried to sell it on a number of occasions and this failed. Me thinks that I was asking too much. Therefore, I am now going to lower my price to free. That's right. FREE. Rhymes with Labrie. You get the picture.
Small print. Unless you come to lovely Boston to pick it up, there will be the cost of a mailer and postage. For the US, I would assume that this would be about two bucks. You would be responsible for picking up this tab.
And as an added twist, since I assume that at the price of free there could be multiple requests, you have to e-mail me and say what kind thing you promise to do for someone or some organization (i.e., not just promise to mail me the money). The most decent offer, plus two bucks, gets the disk. Mark be the judge here. Guess that's more small print.
Get creative !! Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 97 17:00:31 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Prong/DT and stuff Message-ID: <9706261500.AA00266@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
nobody got the correct answer to my question about the link between Dream Theater and Prong, so here it is: Terry Date (he recorded the first album by Dream Theater and produced Prong). I win 10 points.
A sad day for me yesterday - Jacques Cousteau finally hung up his fins for good. I once had the honour of meeting him a few years ago while I was in the south of France, and can honestly say that the world has lost a truely great man, a man with a vision, but a man of extreme modesty. The seas and oceans of this world have lost a true friend and protector.
Has anybody here heard of the band Within Temptation? Any opinions welcome before I start looking for the album 'Enter'.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: My Dying Bride - Trinity
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:55:56 -0500 From: Santiago Leon <leons@ramt.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JP's reply Message-ID: <33B23CAC.C14D926@ramt.com>
hey gang!...
the other day i was browsing the web looking for jp's reply to blind melon's bashing... I went all around the hole lifting shadows ring but just couldn't find it... can someone tell me where to find it?... thanks a lot...
santi...
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:39:00 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trader list Message-ID: <199706261538.AA26404@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, Okay everyone read the sig before you send messages asking for the Trader list. If you respond directly to this message, I will no longer be processing your request. Gotta draw the line somewhere... And be sure to include your e-mail address when you request the list. Mark Metzger, please send me your address, it didn't come through on your request. -- ______________________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude flesh..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:andrew.forcier@prudential.com -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com **************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:04:29 +0900 From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bolton, Carey, uuuuggghhh! Message-ID: <199706261604.BAA09069@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
At 9:39 PM 97.6.25 -0700, Vincent G. LuPone wrote: >At 11:00 AM 6/25/97,,,, Dan, Galactic Cowboy man, wrote: >>That's where the name AOR comes from...though, now I'd agree with your >>statement about "without nuts." bolton, carey, and other drek... > > Bolton and Carey aren't "rock" by ANY stretch. I think the dude was >talking about Dave Matthews types of bands. "Adult Contemporary" (huh >huh, or something ;)
Yes. I'm the DUDE. And I'm talking about Bolten,Carey, etc... (including D. Matthews Band).
And AOR argument: It seems there's difference between English-native and Japanese. I used to believe AOR stands for Adult Oriented Rock for 24years. (I'm 24 right now.)
Thank you.
the last rotater I enjoyed. Steve Vai/Alien Love Secrets (epic Sony) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- -Keiji Nishihara Doshisha Uni. Electric/Electronic Material Lab. Semiconductor ARRAY KYOTO JAPAN
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp tq0139@mail4.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:22:20 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Help ME! *taa* Message-ID: <19970626.091619.3414.1.mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Just a quick note to ask a favour..... I'm about to buy some CD's >on-line . I am thinking of using CDNow - is there any other on-line >ordering site that is better?? prices/service - or someone specialising in >metal/prog??
I've ordered online from cd connection and they were very reliable and cheaper than cd now. they're at www.cdconnection.com
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