YTSEJAM Digest 2679
Today's Topics:
1) Looking to trade for shredder CDs/tapes
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
2) Mike Bahr CDs for trade
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) Mtl show...
by Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2676
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
5) FAQ?
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
6) Re: Jerry McGuire, Return Of Digital Thing
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2678
by Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Thanks
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
9) Two Dimes a Dozen
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
10) Vai, Face/Off and other stuff...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
11) Hi and defense of metal
by Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
12) elevator sex
by David Alderman <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
13) Chris Merlo...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
14)
by cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu
15)
by cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu
16) Re: your mail
by eckie@asu.edu
17) Paramaecium - a novel idea
by BrentReurich <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 11:24:56 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Looking to trade for shredder CDs/tapes
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+ZwwhnA@tcx.tcco.com>
In high school, I bought just about everything that Shrapnel records put out
as well as stuff from all the up-and-coming shredmasters. If anyone wants to
swap tapes, please let me know. I'm not into it as much anymore (nor do I
have the extra $$$ to waste on Craig Goldy and Ritchie Kotzen CDs...), but I
do enjoy listening to them once in a while.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 11:30:18 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mike Bahr CDs for trade
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+Z0xhnA@tcx.tcco.com>
If anyone has any of the "newer" Mike Bahr CDs that they would like to trade,
I have "Scenes From a Memory", "Antiquiites" and "When Dream and Today Unite".
I'd like to get "Precious Things", "Darkest of Winters" and any other Mike
Bahr creation.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mtl show...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9706301152.B23613-0100000@weber.ift.ulaval.ca>
After, this show, I clarified some things:
-There is 2 guys in Neil body, one for his arms and one for his legs.
This was my idea after the first part of the drum solo(the one in three).
-Geddy can still reach the higher in freewill! I was so proud of him!
-Alex's solos are better than ever.
-Some people don't have a place in a Rush show. The girl in front of me
had her peak in roll the bones. Most of the time, she was sit.
-"Hey! Wake up! You have 2112 full version in front of you!"
-"What? 21 what?"
-"Nevermind..."
And she went to the bar during Natural Science...
Ferls
PS. D-man! Where were you? I checked all green caps of the Peel pub!
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:34:00 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2676
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970630113400.00db2c10@pophost.fore.com>
>I take issue not only with your homophobic reference, but to your lack of
>knowledge in general concerning the Crue. Motley stopped using hairspray to
>any outrageous extent by the beginning of the Dr. Feelgood era and had
>completely done away with it before Decade Of Decadence came out. In
>addition, they had dropped both the glam and the leather image by the time
>Feelgood came out, right as a lot of bands started copying that look. And if
>you had ever read the lyrics to a lot of Crue songs, you would see that
>although they have their share of "Girls, Girls, Girls" type of songs, they
>also have a lot of provatative lyrics as well, even as early as "Shout At The
>Devil," not that there is anything wrong with writing about "elevator sex,"
>(which was done by Aerosmith, not Motley).
>
>Richie
>
As much as I'm on the side of Richie concerning most of his 80's views, I
have to point out that "10 seconds to love" from the Shout at the Devil
album, is indeed about 'elevator sex'. I also have to state that after a
week of listening, Generation Swine is my least favorite album of theirs.
Dickinson's Accident of Birth is the best album I have heard in probably 5
years.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FAQ?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9706301123.A74328-0100000@acs2.bu.edu>
Bafu wrote:
> > Of course, you could just READ THE FUCKING FAQ. It might be in there.
>
> Ahem. That's "FUQING" faq.
I thought it's the fuqing fack. Oh well.
BTW, I wonder if MP still digs Mike Tyson.....
Wacky
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Jerry McGuire, Return Of Digital Thing
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970630120610.2865A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, S. Borzilleri wrote:
> Well I had to admire the step Tom Cruise took away from his usual self,
> becoming a helpless agent who actually NEEDED other people. I didn't know
> he could squirm. Quite a change from his usual role of, say, a young cocky
> racecar driver, or a young cocky airforce pilot, or a young cocky
> prosecuting attorney, or a young cocky bartender, or a young cocky warrior
> saving the world from Darkness, or a young cocky Irish boxer, or a young
> cocky billiard champion... I'm waiting for an oscar-winning young cocky
> magician who wins over the heart of Princess Di. Or something.
>
I feel I must stand up for Tom Cruise here. You're ignoring a third of his
acting range. He's not just young and cocky. He's also Brash. And no,
Brash and cocky are not the same thing. Well, not exactly. Not entirely
anyway. But no one does Brash like Tom Cruise.
-maximilian
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:51:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chad Martin <Chad.E.Martin-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2678
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970630114410.16911B-100000@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> Drain - Horror Wrestling
>
> I try and listen to this without thinking 'oh yeah, this is that hot chick band
> from Sweden'. It works. Simple, hard music, sometimes quite heavy, well played
> but no brilliance (you don't need it for this sort of music). These girls are
> a serious band, not some leather bitch band dreamt up by some impotent record
> lable executive in order to fulfill his fantasies. Who needs the Spice Girls?
> 8/10
I agree fully. Saw them at Ozzfest 8 days ago. By far the best second
stage act. Even surpassed some of the main stage acts (Fear Factory),
IMO. Drain will definitely be one of my next CD purchases. The only
thing that bugged me is that the only band with a drummer that plays
simpler beats than Drain is AC\DC. A monkey could drum AC\DC. It would
take a smart monkey to drum Drain. Lastly, the lead singer kinda looks
like Sebastian Bach from a distance. :)
Chad Martin
mart0312@gold.tc.umn.edu
chadbert@dnrc.org
O-
"Remember that the Scrye values are completely mythical and have no
semblance to any reality that we may inhabit." - Neil Kirby
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:51:27 -0500
From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thanks
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970630115127.00691fd0@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>
To the jam:
I wanted to drop a line to say thank you to all those who took the time to
write and support me with your get well wishes. Techrat showed me every
jam and e-mail I received about my accident. It's cool to know that the jam
really does care for it's own, despite any difference of opinion. I'm sorry
I'm not able to personally respond to all the
e-mails; Techrat killed most of them on me. (Way to go, bud!) Since one handed
typing is kinda useless, I think I'll be lurking for a while.
Once again, thank you.
WhiteWolf
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:57:57 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Two Dimes a Dozen
Message-ID: <199706301657.JAA07240@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
>
>VH-1 never had gameshows or stories about people floundering around in
>real life all recorded for your viewing pleasure. ;) Not that "Remote
>Control" wasn't quality television, I mean where would Cari Wuhrer be if
>not for that show? And didn't she set the precedent for future hostesses
>like Jenny McCarthy and Carmen Elektra? Aha? AHAAA??? See the domino
>effect now?
Yeah...I didn't end up minding Kari Wuhrer too much (though I thought it was
amusing that she played a college student several years after appearing on
"Remote Control"), but I'm not sure most of the folks who've followed in her
footsteps have been talented in the slightest. Then again, I suppose their
pulchritude is talent of a different sort.
>Wanna stump people who claim to be "open to all forms of music" ? People
>who say "I don't have a favorite, my cd collection has music from all
>styles" ? People who say, "I'm completely open-minded when it comes to
>music" ? People who say "There's not really a type of music I can't listen
>to" ? One word: Slaughter. The Band. Whip it out. Sure, Mr. World Music
>likes Wu-Tang AND Harry Connick Jr. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. But can he
>stomach a little "Up All Night?" Can YOU?
I'm not sure Slaughter's a TYPE of music, but I agree with your point. I
can't stand the band. I think "having an open mind" is something along the
lines of being willing to fairly evaluate the music -- if Slaughter released
a new album and it was better than "Awake," for example, being able to
recognize it as such, rather than dismissing it out of hand.
There isn't a lot of music out there that I dislike, but Slaughter's in that
category. And I know there was some positivity being expressed about the
band earlier, but I don't care for Depeche Mode, either. I don't much care
for the Wu-Tang Clan, either...I'd opt for Public Enemy or Urban Dance Squad.
So there's that.
And, making up for the mainstream-ity of the last set of CD's...
Five Gratutitous CD's:
======================
1. Rush: Rush
2. The Reign: Back From Euphoria
3. Go Pound Salt: Go Pound Salt
4. Dar Williams: The Honesty Room
5. Fates Warning: Night on Brocken
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:18:46 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vai, Face/Off and other stuff...
Message-ID: <199706301718.AA20118@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello there...
First off:
>if your at a Steve Vai concert do you cheer louder when he plays a slow
>melodious riff or a furious octuplet tapping frenzy?
Actually, I wait until the end of the song so I can be sure to hear
everything. :) At G3 shows, I save frantic screaming for Stu Hamm's bass
solo.
>there must have been people posting to this list expressing their
>dislike of technical guitarwork.
This may have been me. I expressed a dislike for guitarists that perfect
the technical only to sacrifice feel. I feel that Malmsteen is this type
of guitarist. Vai is IN NO WAY this type of guitarist. If I implied
that, it was a mistake on my part.
But so you know, my favorite section of a Vai song (though not my
favorite song entirely) is in For The Love Of God. It is a hammer-on,
slide combination. I don't have the disc handy, or I'd give you a time
index, but this section is the best in Vai's repetoire, IMHO. There is
the perfect balance of technique and feel in that song, IMHO. For a
similar comparison, see also Joe Satriani's Baroque: the single greatest
song ever recorded.
Chris Bellardine:
>I read some posts about Satriani and Vai being to best, but these guys
>don't play with the caliber musicians that Petrucci plays with.
Ummm.... WHAT!? Stu Hamm (Joe's touring bassist) has won bassist polls
up the wahzoo. And on top of that has played with Eric Johnson, Steve
Vai, and Joe Satriani. Satch has also played with Nathan East, Manu
Katche, Gregg Bissonette, and Johnathan Mover. Each of those guys is
among the best in their field. Vai has played with Billy Sheehan, Rudy
Sarzo, Gregg Bissonette, Terry Bozzio, Frank Zappa, and Devin Townsend
(kidding :) ). I think you should make better informed judgements before
posting them to the Jam. This sounds like the opinion of someone who
knows nothing about the artists he is arguing against.
This is not to knock JP. He is phenomenal, and plays with some of the
best musicians out there. But to say he is better than Satch or Vai
would be starting that legends debate again. JP is amazing, 'nuff said.
>If anyone here hasn't seen "Face Off" yet, for hell's sake, GO.
Agreed! This bumps Grosse Pointe Blank into the #3 spot for the year. #1
still being Chasing Amy. It'll be tough to dethrone that one. This is,
of course, excepting the SE Star Wars Trilogy. Empire is the greatest
movie ever made and what is understood need not be discussed (it's
anonymous, so it ain't plagiarism...).
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:58:16 -0500
From: Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hi and defense of metal
Message-ID: <01BC855D.A93E0CC0@pm3-10.macatawa.org>
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Hi, all!! I'm fairly new here, so just wanted to sorta say hi to =
everyone on the jam. I'm an 18 year old DT freak, and it's great to =
find people who actually know what prog is. I thought I was the only =
one around who listened to both Genesis and Metallica. :)
I know, I'm a newbie, and really haven't been on the jam long enough to =
be posting this after just lurking around for a few weeks, but this was =
just something I had to respond to.
: BTW, Motley Crue??? What the hell? I thought things were pretty bad =
with
: all the Megadeth talk, but Motley Crue? We don't care people! This =
is a
: Dream Theater list! That means we prefer hearing about Dream Theater =
or
: other PROG music! You know, like Rush, Fates Warning, etc.? That's =
PROG!
: Not cock-rock, not Motley Crue, not even metal, but P-R-O-G (not =
Prague)!
Maybe you've forgotten the other half of what DT is labeled. Usually =
its called Progressive METAL. I may be a prog freak, but I'm also a =
100% down to the core metal freak. Being a metal freak does not mean =
you worship Satan or wear all black. I don't do either. This jam is =
for DT, but there are people on this mailing list who like metal too. =
So, unless most of the list protests, we're free to discuss whatever =
kind of metal we want.=20
Just a little worthless rant I had to get out of my system.
Beth Elzinga
---------------- Melody walks in the door ----------------
---------- And memory flies out the window ----------
-------- And nobody knows what they want --------
---------------- Till they finally let it all go.-----------------
Dream Theater
lyrics by Kevin Moore for "6:00"
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:02:41 -0500
From: David Alderman <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: elevator sex
Message-ID: <33B7F4C0.26C60CA0@ix.netcom.com>
Stixntrixx@aol.com wrote:
not that there is anything wrong with writing about "elevator sex,"
(which was done by Aerosmith, not Motley).
Um to quote Motley Crue in "10 Seconds to Love" from the Shout at the
Devil cd (which is a darn fine cd!):
"Touch my gun but don't pull my trigger. Let's make history in the
elevator."
Sounds like elevator sex to me, but what do I know. :)
David (V_Clortho on irc)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:14:35 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chris Merlo...
Message-ID: <199706301814.LAA23973@goodnet.com>
Well, you've all read Chris's post by now. I think for the first
time in a while, I can honestly say I didn't see _that_ coming. :) But
hey, ya learn something new every day.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:36:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Message-ID: <199706301936.OAA03556@www.eramp.net>
No no, I recant. I -am- gay. It was childish of me to take back something
which obviously took a lot of courage. So, in short, I am gay.
Gayer than a hootananny.
-d
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I can't wait to meet some of you guys for this show.
<wink>
-d
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:14:01 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970630131204.12198A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Where the hell is Skadz when ya need him? We need this ass wipe removed
from the list, like NOW. This is like the most childish thing I've ever
seen on a mailing list...well, second to Vince and the Megadeth mailing
list >;)
Sept. 23rd, eh?
~Eckie marks his calendar
On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu wrote:
> No no, I recant. I -am- gay. It was childish of me to take back something
> which obviously took a lot of courage. So, in short, I am gay.
>
> Gayer than a hootananny.
>
> -d
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 06:42:48 +1000 (EST)
From: BrentReurich <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Paramaecium - a novel idea
Message-ID: <199706302042.GAA12074@random.tpgi.com.au>
OK....
heres the run down on Paramaecium (the band) and Within the Ancient Forest
(the album) - (BTW an australian band.)
>> 5. Within the Ancient Forest - Paramaecium =20
>How does this one compare to the first album? I kinda >dig the slow=20
>heaviness with the occasional orchestral feel of the first >one, but I=20
>haven't heard aquat form this.
>Their first one was entitled Exhumed of the=20
>Earth, I believe. Some good stuff if you dig that heavy >rock and=20
>roll, and can stomach those cookie monster vocals :).
OK - the orchestral feel is way more than occasional here-
this one is *MUCH* more varied and musically interesting... much use is made
of piano/keys, also sprinkled throughout are flute, harpsichord and cello
giving the whole thing a gothicy / medieval feel....
the vocals also are somewhat surprising ... along with the "cookie monsters"
the singer also uses a 'normal' singing voice, as well as (3) different
female vocalists, including one soprano. As well as! both male and female
'spoken word' parts....=20
Overall this is still a 'heavy' disc - Paramaecium have suceeded in a very
heavy ,slow, dark, moody feel ... but if thats how you like it - its
brilliant! and the variety and texture of the various vocal and musical
components make it a very listenable disc... dare I say very progressive . =
=20
(Basically - I am not a big fan of death/doom and although this album is
based in those genres I am growing extremely fond of this one - a definite
'grower'...)
> I know there's a book that goes along=20
>with WtAF, too.=20
The book
with this album comes a short novel - although you have to buy it=
seperately.
and though I have it I'm yet to read it (its been here on my bookshelf
probably over 9months - so basically i'm just a slacker) but my brother in
law read it said it was a really good book - but then again he is a big
fantasy fan.....=20
so ... I'm yet to pass judgement on it.
this is from the liner notes ->
'the storyline of this album is entirely based on the novel "Within the
Ancient Forest" by (vocalist) Andrew Tompkins. The novel is written in the
fantasy genre and it tells the story of De-nyl , a young man searching for
ultimate truth and meaning for life in a land where Immortals, dragons,
magic, and the powers of darkness are very real; a search which eventually
leads him to the legendery Firetree and immortality. The story is an
allegorical account of Andrew's own search for and discovery of absolute
truth and meaning of life.
If you read the lyrics you'll realise that this album provides only a
glimpse of this incredible story. In short , the album is imcomplete without
the novel.' <- guess i'v got some reading to do then. :)
=20
as an aside Jayson Sherlock (the drummer - and quite good at it too) thanks
some band called Dream Theatre?=BF in the thank-yous.=20
=20
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