YTSEJAM Digest 2309
Today's Topics:
1) A Few Things...
by MTeiper@aol.com
2) lost highway (if you cant guess, no dtc, maybe a bit of cow
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) Grammies...
by Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
4) sound modules - No DTC
by Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org>
5) Bay Area concert update/Grammies
by STERN RULES! <skooc@earthlink.net>
6) Re: Rush
by "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" <drnewb@MO.NET>
7) awake, a retrospective, 3 years later- part 2: a mind beside itself
by WildKoba@aol.com
8) RE: Stan Tszyka
by edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
9) Rock Hard Poll '96
by Coop42@aol.com
10) Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
11) One Pissed Ytsejammer
by JE78674@ltu.edu
12) Re: WDADU
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
13) do this, do that
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
14) Re: Turning POint
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
15) do this, do that
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
16) Re: Turning POint
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:45:47 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Few Things...
Message-ID: <970301004546_1679872331@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Hey All -
I'd like to take the opportunity to comment on a couple of things, if I
may:
1.) I got the Meat Loaf trivia answers 'cause I'm a HUGE fan:
a.) The Manilow tune is "Read 'Em and Weep"
b.) Bonnie Tyler's biggest Steinman hit was "Total Eclipse Of the
Heart",
but she also scored a smaller hit with the tune Steinman
co-wrote with
Dean Pitchford, "Holding Out For a Hero".
c.) Celine's "All Coming Back To Me Now" is Steinman's current hit.
Got any more Loaf Trivia? It's great to see that there are other fans
out there.
He's one of the most amazing entertainers I've ever seen.
2.) Some people are asking about a Savatage Z-Rock show. I have on tape a
show
from the "Edge Of Thorns" tour recorded at some State Fairgrounds in (I
think)
Chicago??? Not sure. Also can't remember the whole track listing, but
I'll do
my best: Lights Out, She's In Love, He Carves His Stone, Skraggy's
Tomb,
Ghost In the Ruins, Conversation Piece (LOVE that one!), Edge Of
Thorns,
Hall Of the Mountain King. There might be others. I have that one on
tape as I
recorded right off the radio. Savatage totally rulz!!! Is this the
show people are
asking for?
3.) Also, I've had bad experiences with Wildside Imports. Well, I guess it
could've
been worse. I haven't been ripped off by them, but they took forever
and a day
to get me stuff. In fact, I ordered "Awake" from Japan with the bonus
CD 'cause
it came out before America. Well, needless to say, in a fit of rage, I
couldn't wait
any longer and had to buy the American disc to appease me while waiting
for the
Japanese one!!! I wouldn't really recommend them, IMHO. But, others
have
given them good reviews, so who knows? I REALLY would recommend
Terrible
Ted's Import Music (I've read some references to him on the Jam
before). I
would also very highly recommend Buccanneer Records in Baltimore. They
are very helpful to you and get stuff to you FAST. They have a lot of
Prog stuff
like most of the Magna Carta catalog for pretty cheap (including the
first Shadow
Gallery and first Magellan). Highly recommended - (410)-931-9380.
They also
advertise in Goldmine magazine if you want to see an ad. I also VERY
highly
recommend R.A.M. Music from Milwaukee. They used to advertise in Metal
Edge or Metal Maniacs (I don't remember...), and they are great too.
Very
helpful on the phone and also very quick. FYI, he's started carrying
boots and
will tell you about sound quality if you ask. And, yes, he has some
D.T. boots.
He used to have the "Uncovered" show on CD (soundboard quality) for
sale, but
I think he's sold out now. Anyway, he's still got a few D.T. titles
for sale. Their
number is (414)-781-5293.
That's all for now, Jammerz. Have a nice day... - Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:58:27 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: lost highway (if you cant guess, no dtc, maybe a bit of cow
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970301055827.0070b1c0@mail.inlink.com>
just saw lost highway... just had to post about how cool this movie was..
despite its really slow intro once it gets going its like a mix between
jacobs ladder (the movie, not rush song) and.. eh... i dunno, cant really
explain it further in comparison.. its very demented, and if by the end of
the movie you have NO idea whats going on then it did just what it was
supposed to... i'm gonna be thinking this one over for weeks.
woohoo!
cow spots on anything improve quality, except cow spots on cow spots
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:49:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
To: The Perfect Strangers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Grammies...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970301004756.3232A-100000@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Did any jammers catch Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter (in the jazz
portion with Natalie Cole)? Those guys rock! Someone please tell me what
it was like, b/c I am a college boy caught up in this cave world...
Take it easy,
"To be is to do" - Plato
Charlie Harrison "To do is to be" - Aristotle
"Hard Rock" (NYC) "Doo bee doo bee doo" - Sinatra
/}
/ /
/ / />
"Vato" ,__________/ //{----/{________________________________ "Vato"
Miami /| ==========|/\|-----/_________________________________\ Miami
NYC \| ==========|\/|-----\_________________________________/ NYC
'~~~~~~~~~~\ \\{----\{
\ \ \> "Having a sensitive member of the
"Seasons change... \ \ audience; it's like having another
and so can I" \} member of the band..."
-DREAM THEATER -JOHN COLTRANE
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 02:08:05 -0800
From: Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sound modules - No DTC
Message-ID: <33180005.9BC@northnet.org>
Hello...I need some help from any of you jammers with MIDI experience. I
want to upgrade my MIDI system, and am stuck on deciding between the Korg
NS5R and the Yamaha MU-90. What Im looking for is editing power, sound
quality, and on board digital effects. Which is better? Please email me
privately! Thanks!
Chris
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:01:49 -0800 (PST)
From: STERN RULES! <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bay Area concert update/Grammies
Message-ID: <199703010701.XAA02107@norway.it.earthlink.net>
OK all you SF area types (and you know who you are), here are the must-see
shows coming to The Edge in Palo Alto:
1. Blackmore's Rainbow March 19. I've only heard one song from the new
album and I didn't like it, but Ritchie Blackmore is a bona-fide living
legend and if you can make it to this show don't walk, RUN to your local
BASStard outlet for tix. They're only $15 plus bend-over charge.
2. Cheap Trick March 28. These guys flat out fucking rock, no two ways about
it. For those of you that weren't lucky enough to be around in the mid to
late 70's, these guys were HUGE! They tour the midwest and east quite a bit,
but this is the first time they've headlined out here in the three + years
I've lived here.
3. Wallflowers March 31. Bob Dylan's son Jakob on Vocals and guitar as
well as main songwriter. Looks and sounds a lot like his Dad did before
his Brain got fried. I've got my tix for these shows already and I'm
glad March is here. The month is gonna rock!
Coming April 9 is the original punk, Iggy Pop! This is also another must-see
if you're a music historian.
Grammies: They suck! They always have and they always will. Back when I was a
kid (shortly before the invention of the wheel) the winners were always people
like Frank Sinatra and Mel Torme. Great singers but not known for music to
mosh by. Now the people who run the show are people who grew up listening to
people like Springsteen and Clapton. Again, great musicians, but not exactly
on the cutting edge of 90's music. When this generation takes over 25 years
from now it'll be bands like Pearl Jam and, if there's any justice in the
world, Dream Theater and Rush will be getting all the accolades and the future
generation will be whining that their favorite band doesn't get the recognition
they deserve.
Scott
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Bonnie Raitt and Sheryl Crow were each nominated for a Grammy tonight and
Ellen Degeneres said that she was so sure that Bonnie would win that if
Bonnie lost that she'd eat Crow. - Bill Maher
**************************************************************************
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:08:44 +0000
From: "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush
Message-ID: <199703010713.BAA13489@Walden.MO.NET>
>The June dates will start with St. louis (June 6th)
AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
KKKKIIIIICCCCCCKKKKKK AAAAASSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I heard this might happen, but it was merely rumour at that point.
thank you and goodnight.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 03:56:40 -0500 (EST)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: awake, a retrospective, 3 years later- part 2: a mind beside itself
Message-ID: <970301035640_-1205706088@emout16.mail.aol.com>
greetings boys and girls.......more dt musical analyses for you to digest.
today's lecture will feature a detailed evaluation of the 20 minute plus
opus, "a mind beside itself". please feel free to add your own thoughts and
beliefs, et al. thank you.
professor ytsegoon.
a) erotomania- the concept of the distorted, harsh organ calling us to
attention at the beginning is a rather floydian concept (also freudian, if
you think hard enough)...kinda like the "tolling of the iron bell" in the
reprise of "breathe" before "great gig in the sky." interesting. effective.
i love the motive in the beginning....chormatic, and odd-metered....it's
really cool. it's heavy, but grooving, even in the odd meter parts, which
isn't so easy to do. also, great interplay between guitars and keys.
unfortunately, i believe the bass isn't very prominent for most of the song,
which i think is a shame....and really, there must have been something else
mr. myung could have played, instead of doubling petrucci so much! i also
sense that portnoy is pretty restrained here.....he could have easily anally
raped a lot more in the song, but he stuck to the groove, which i think is a
lot better musically than playing 43758 notes all the time.
interesting song form. if you're scoring at home, i figured it out to be the
following:
a-b-a-b-c-c'-c"-a(solo1)-d-d'-e(solo2)-e'(modulation)-e"(modulation 2)-c"-f
(yngwie, solo3)-g-a-b-b'(end tag into "voices"). i love the e section, which
comes almost exactly at 3:05.....in the key of b...that section in itself
could have been another song. one of petrucci's most lyrical solos, great use
of different textures by messrs. moor and petrucci- esp. jp, who goes from
his sweet fat blues tone into this guitar tone (approx. 4:05), that sounds
like glass, if you know what i mean....really sweet. yeah...
and then we end up on side 2 of "rising force"...what's up with that,
johnny-boy?? i usually don't mind skipping that section of the song. but it
also adds up nicely when the beginning is re-introduced and lead neatly into
voices......i like this song. it's a well-done piece.
and this just in- leiann rimes just won the "best new artist" grammy!!!!!!!
long live america, and thanks to naras (nat. assoc. of recording artists).
anyway, onto "voices".
b) so, after this well-done instrumental, here we are, thrown into a room
full of voices (what a pun!). again, really good, soft, intro.....a very
important thing i wish more composers and bands would learn is the importance
of dynamics........ahh....you have to contrast....all loud hurts my
head........all soft makes me puke.....you need flashes of both, and all
in-between....
hey- i just described the beginning of this song!
really strong lyrics. haunting. "sex is death, death is sex- says it right
here on my crucifix." wow...wondering if jp was listening to tori or
something when he wrote this.
sonics- the dynamics are like a tease.....building up ever so
slowly....leading us...ever so gradually, into the 1st chorus....well done.
they do this song so well live, esp. when they slow it down a
notch.....,makes the song even more haunting.
so last time i wrote, i said "gee, james ain't screaming." what an asshole!
it would be safe to state that there's some "loudly belted" parts on this
song.
mid-section........interesting samples and voices...anyone know who's
responsible for them? i'm guessing it was kevin or porntoy. speaking of porn,
LEIANN RIMES! no, portnoy, i mean- again, really laid back....he's not
strutting his stuff too much....."should i turn on OVULATION- these demons in
my head tell me to."
i'm kind of at a loss to say more, really. i mean, this song is so epic. it's
just really everything you can imagine a 20 minute rock piece can contain.
the bombastic guitar solo, the great lyrics, the wonderdful textures. this is
just really one of those songs you just can't really talk too much about. the
last thing i'll say about it is just how incredible the end of the song is,
at least the part where james finished singing.....i get this feeling of a
great release of sorts. it's like, FINALLY, it's over. not that i like it's
over, but it's like "we've gotten to the holy grail."
c) the silent man. the autobiography of john myung
i hate this song. really. i mean, i understand i think why it's there. i
think it serves as an afterthought (at least musically), and probably
lyrically. this is a taste issue to me. i've just sat through almost 19
minutes of explosive rock...i know, i know, "but they're using dynamics
again, wild koba. you're a douchbag if you hate this song because it's a
change of pace and texture." well, i think of it as sitting thru 2 hours of
great sex (i mean, i'm a goon, what do I know about sex??), and then getting
the worst blow job in your life right after it. what dt did to this song
live, particularly during the 95 christmas shows was fascinating. it was so
great to see them venture more creatively by using a thicker arrangement,
section extensions (good job derek!) and other things.....this song as it is
on the album just turns me off.
ok, enough, this took way too long.....i'll be hitting mirror and lie next.
please, more comments and stuff.......tell me i'm an asshole, even. that
turns me on. thanks.
ytsegoon
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david yoichi kobayashi
binghamton university
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"'so speak, i'm right here', she used to say to me not a word, not a
word...." -j. petrucci
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 11:07:18 EST
From: edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Stan Tszyka
Message-ID: <19970301.110559.9942.1.EdWilk@juno.com>
>work, but it will have to be four for two. Hope everyone is enjoying
there
>tapes, especially Stan wherever you are, because you are why the world
>remains a cold and dark place. Take the time.
Hi all,
I don't know what happened, so I don't know if I should say anything..
but.. When I e-mailed the Jam a WHILE ago asking where I could get "To
Live Forever" and "Eve", a few people replied, but Stan offered to trade
me for the singles that the respective songs were on. I said I had
nothing to trade, but I would buy them. He said forget it, send him a
100 minute tape and he'd fill it with cool stuff. So I sent it to him,
and I got back the singles, a ton of live stuff, including a bootleg of
the "Please Don't Go" version of ACOS (which, I must say, I like better
than the recorded version) and other cool stuff.
So.. take this however you want, I just don't see why he's being bashed.
(Putting on flame-retardent clothing)
Ytse-Ed
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 11:59:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Coop42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rock Hard Poll '96
Message-ID: <970301115927_278644511@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Hi there!
Just in case anyone's interested:
German Rock Hard Magazine had its annual reader's poll once again and it even
had a bit of the old DTC...
In the category "Favourite Band" the guys reached position 15, in the
category "Favourite Musician" Mike Portnoy's on position 23 and John Petrucci
on 29 and even though they didn't play a single (non-clinic) show in Germany
last year, they reached position 41 in the category "Best Liveband".
Considering that it was a pretty quiet year those results aren't too bad, I
think...
Take Care!
Andreas Berger
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 97 09:57:01 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
Message-ID: <9702018572.AA857236157@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
Wow, is all I have to say about this disc! I got a prerelease CD from Metal
Blade and it is great. I am only on my second listen and I can already tell this
is going to be one my favorite Fates CDs... One 55 minute song (although the CD
is divided into 12 tracks) that combines prog-metal, traditional Fates flavoring
(a la Paralells), a little industrial, some atmospheric nuances (nice keyboard
stuff from Kevin Moore) and of Jim Matheos' compositional skills, make this a
really ambitious project for the band. I'll post a more in depth review after a
few more listens, this is definately an album that sucks you in and grabs your
attention... The Cd is scheduled to be released on April 22nd... Stay tuned here
and on my Fates web page (will be updated in the next few days) for more info on
the new album....
so where do we begin
and what else can we say
when the lines are all drawn
what should we do today
-A Pleasant Shade of Gray
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 13:19:27 -0500 (EST)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: One Pissed Ytsejammer
Message-ID: <01IFZMLWMVO28ZDVDZ@ltu.edu>
Hello fellow Ytsejammers. I would like this time to vent to all of you
because brethren can usually relate. Anyway, last night I was driving
home from class. I usually just jam my entire RUSH/DT collection in the
car, but for once I thought I would give the radio a chance....again.....
As the Michigan Ytsejammers can attest to for me, the WRIF is supposed to
be Detroit's rock station. Well, when I was in high school they were at
least. All I heard was AlternaCRAP (IMO) and so decided to call the station.
The DJ answers and I politely asked her why they never play DT. Afterall,
the WRIF paints a slogan saying "WRIF ROCKS DETROIT." Uh-huh......
Her fucking response was, and I quote, "Eww....they're old. I don't think
we even have any DT in the station." Eww? Excuse me you fucking princess,
Eww? So I kindly responded by saying the WRIF has become a haven for MTV
standard, untalented music. Then I hung up. The nerve of that wench!
Argh!
Please, any fellow Michigan Ytsejammers, I urge you to call the WRIF and
bitch them out. Let's (as few of us as there is) give that cocky, full
of shit station a swift kick in the ass. They have no tact and have lost
my "viewership" for good. WRIF ROCKS NOTHING.
-Jeff E.
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:42:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: WDADU
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970301123338.833C-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
> By the way, what are the differences between the original and the
> re-released version?
Being I have both, I can tell you. The original (which is an
import) has all the lyrics type-written in the booklet as well as Thank
you's and whatnot. The new re-release on One Way Records only has the song
titles in the liners.
***Rob***
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:55:36 +0200
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: do this, do that
Message-ID: <199703011855.UAA27556@pepe.online.ee>
> The fact is that I consider Awake the least satisfying work of DT and
> I expect a turn to I&W style in the next album.
Well, that's a *little* bit more information than I needed, but go
right ahead. :-)
To tell the truth, I want to hear neither of those albums on the
next. That would be a kind of déjà vu in that case. Been there, done
that, why bother doing it all over again?
Something new... Why not? I will definitely buy it and I hope I won't
hear music that's already been done and beat to death previously.
R.
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 97 11:53:28 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Turning POint
Message-ID: <9702018572.AA857243120@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>It's good to see someone else was watching this, and drawing the same
>conclusions I was. The line about "This music isn't like anything else out
>there right now, so we can't play it" irritates me no end.
Ditto. Does anybody remember when radio was cool and the DJs could
actually choose what they wanted to play? A DJ would get a hold of
some new music and say, "This is like nothing else out there, so I am
going to barracade myself in the studio and play it nonstop until
somebody signs these guys!"... <G>... I have heard some great stuff
on the local station here in Tucson....at 2am... The two DJs that were
working one night had borrow A Change of Seasons from a friend to
bring in and play. They played all of the covers (even The Big Medly),
and were even going to play the title track (although I didn't listen
that long)... Unfortunately, they said that the station would never
play any of these during regular hours, even though they got a ton of
great feedback about it.... The listeners are out there, why can't
the program managers at these stations take a risk once in a while and
play something 'new'? I think the internet may be the last place that
new talent can actually get any exposure anymore...
~Mike
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:55:36 +0200
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: do this, do that
Message-ID: <199703011908.VAA27790@pepe.online.ee>
> The fact is that I consider Awake the least satisfying work of DT and
> I expect a turn to I&W style in the next album.
Well, that's a *little* bit more information than I needed, but go
right ahead. :-)
To tell the truth, I want to hear neither of those albums on the
next. That would be a kind of déjà vu in that case. Been there, done
that, why bother doing it all over again?
Something new... Why not? I will definitely buy it and I hope I won't
hear music that's already been done and beat to death previously.
R.
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:12:06 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Turning POint
Message-ID: <199703011923.LAA20305@odin.ax.com>
> .. The listeners are out there, why can't
> the program managers at these stations take a risk once in a while and
> play something 'new'? I think the internet may be the last place that
> new talent can actually get any exposure anymore...
The biggest reason being, I think, is that the people who actually
play the music, MTV, the radio stations, and whomever else, have the
monopoly on today's music. MTV most of all. But, I've also noticed
that MTV doesn't play videos anymore (at least I haven't seen one for
about 3 months of flipping past it with the remote).
If you watched turning point, you'd see all of the things that record
companies do in order to get radio stations to play their music.
They try to bribe them with food and rare collectables. It's a
shame.
It also talked about what a record co. will try to do to sell their
band. Bands can't write music their own way anymore, so if
Queensryche or DT doesn't sound the way you think they should, it
makes me wonder if it wasn't a commandment from the rec co. execs who
told them to write stuff that is like what's out there now. When
bands like Queensryche who had moderate sales on their 1st 3 albums
comes out with a triple platinum album like Empire, the rec. co.
thinks they can do it again. When QR didn't, the record company
tells them to write something that will appeal to the new generation
of listeners, even though QR doesn't want to.. Take a reference from
the show as to what happened to Peter Frampton. Look at Metallica.
It makes me wonder if they actually enjoy the change in their
lifestyles they had to make after making Load. They're different
now. They don't seem to be the same band I enjoyed listening to from
the black album on back.
This is just a royally disappointing time we live in right now, when
you just want your music to be heard, and no one will help you find
an audience.
..
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