YTSEJAM Digest 2312
Today's Topics:
1) SUPERIOR T-Shirts (NDTC)
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2310
by babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
3) Europe shows
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
4) DT and Elektra
by George Kirk <kirk1740@mach1.wlu.ca>
5) Threshold
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
6) Metallica
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
7) Meatloaf
by Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu>
8)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
9) The dreaded subject, spawn of satan
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
10) Dream Theater sales
by James Bennett <rycher@pacbell.net>
11) random replies...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) labrie on aol?
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2311
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
14) Re: labrie on aol?
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
15) stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
16) Re: NEW CD!! NEW UPDATE!! TONS OF NEW STUFF.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 15:01:57 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SUPERIOR T-Shirts (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970303140157.006eabc0@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi jammies!!
I just wanted to tell you all, that the SUPERIOR T-Shirts
are in print now!!! I'll have a picture of the shirts on
our WWW-site (http://gaia.owl.de/~fine/superior.html) soon.
The shirts will show the face that's in the cover under the
CD on front and back (back a little modified) and on the
front the Superior logo, on the back the "BEHIND" (what
is quite nice. :)
If you would like to order anyway, you can do that
at the following addresses:
If you come from the USA:
jskewes@startext.net (YES, our friend Jason helps us out
again!! :)
If you don't come from the USA:
basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de
The shirts are available in XL (for all who want
XXL: XL means really big! Those XL ones are quite
near XXL so we decided not to make XXL shirts) and L.
The shirts will be available from the middle of this
month on.
For more info and prices email Jason or me.
Thanks.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:05:15 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2310
Message-ID: <v01510101af403f89fe2b@[137.238.26.12]>
>
>P.S. As far as this "Turning Point"-thing goes, what network was it on?
>I'm hoping to go to their web site and check out a transcription of the
>show, if available.
It was on ABC. It was very interesting and sad to watch. What's really
interesting is that they looked back at Alan Freed who was a DJ in
Cleveland, OH who got into trouble for accepting money/gifts for certain
tunes to be played and he was fined heavily for this back in the late 50's
early 60's. Now it's almost like anything goes. Another sad aspect is how
they mentioned that certain tunes are played adnauseam for fear of the
public not accepting any other song from the artist. I look back at my
parents and how they new every single Sinatra song put out and it didn't
seem to jade their point of view on him.
Now as for the Grammy's - I think that a local radio station here summed it
up best. They were hacking on Beck (DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO
TORK OFF ANY BECK FANS) and they were disgruntled about his Grammy. They
pretty much concluded by the end of the radio show that "Two turntables and
a microphone" should be considered a category for the Grammy's (ha ha ha -
Hope that everyone found that amusing. I sure did the other morning...)
-BABS
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 15:08:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Europe shows
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0303150848-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Fuck yeah, I'm going to Amsterdam!
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) From: George Kirk <kirk1740@mach1.wlu.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT and Elektra Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703031054.A5056-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca>
I've been following the discussion the last few days on the problems with Elektra, and something came to mind. Elektra (and, of course, every other major label) just don't like heavy bands, unless of course you sell 15 million "metal-lite" albums like Metallica's Black Album.
Yngwie Malmsteen was moved to Elektra for "Fire And Ice", and was unceremoniously dumped soon afterwards...I hope they don't decide to do the same to Dream Theater. I could just se DT on CMC International (the label that has Yngwie, Iron Maiden, Warrant, and a number of other metal bands)....it wouldn't be good, since CMC doesn't have the promotional ability nor the distribution of a major label. It's a pain in the ass to search around for albums on small labels.
I really wish that DT's albums would get promoted more (that is Elektra's job)...it was nice to see Awake and ACOS in the HMV in the New Releases section, instead of hunting around for it, but where are the posters and whatnot? I hope there is some heavy promotion for the next album.
I think more people would like DT if they got to hear them...I've hooked a number of friends on DT, even though when I first mentioned the name they looked at me like I was making a name up.
Of course, in the end, if they do get shafted, as long as they make albums I'll be buying them. DT is the greatest band to come out of the late 80's scene and be relevant in the 90s.
Seize the day, George
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:21:40 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Threshold Message-ID: <B0000046496@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 04:54 AM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote:
>07-06-97 Nieuwe Pul Uden (with Threshold and Mastermind)
Great lineup of bands there!
Speaking of Threshold, someone posted a review of the new album on alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive. He mentioned a link to his page, so the review probably is there too. http://www.uni-mainz.de/~kasper/Threshold.html
Walter.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:04:13 -0800 From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metallica Message-ID: <l03020901af40a4ebdbff@DialupEudora>
Scott Cook said:
> This is true, TBA is their highest seller. it's also the most blatantly > commercial radio friendly album just about any metal band has ever done. > This record was made to sell as many units as possible and has nothing > to do with musical integrity what so ever.
Just for a bit of perspective: TBA sold well right out of the blocks, when the only song anyone had heard from it was "Enter Sandman". It debuted at #1 on the charts. Those fans had no idea of an impending "sellout"--we just wanted new Metallica.
I'm not going to argue about the sellout aspect of it, but to attribute all of its popularity to being "blatantly commercial radio friendly" is to ignore (and disparage) a significant number of fans to whom that reasoning does not apply.
pg
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:08:04 -0600 From: Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu> To: The Ytse-jammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Meatloaf Message-ID: <331B0574.4E80@mail.utexas.edu>
Hey dudes. Ya know, I was watching Pop-up Video on VH-1, and I was just wondering. How many of you people already knew that the cop that gets killed in the beginning of the video is the "I love you man!" dude from the bud light commercials? For those of you who don't watch that show, you can kick yourself in the ass now. That's THE coolest half-hour video show to come out in about 10 years! (My mailserver appears to be down, so if this message appears more than 3 times, go ahead and kick my ass:) )
Polo
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:22:49 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <v01540b00af40b7d0d41b@[128.197.8.46]>
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:37:05 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The dreaded subject, spawn of satan Message-ID: <331b0c414d41368@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> >Therefore, it would stand to reason that the band is actually enjoying=20 > >Load since it is not trying to follow-up a flop.=20 > > One of the great things about LOAD (besides that it kicks ass) is that > it was not recorded to please the band wagon jumpers that bought TBA > and wanted TBA II.=20
You're right. It was recorded to please the bandwagon jumpers who listen to alternative (and would claim to hate TBA because metal isn't cool).
On a semi-related note, I find it pretty damn humorous that Green Day's so-called guitarist and singer has a sticker on a guitar that reads "Metal Sucks." Maybe it's just me, but his playing seems to be the work of a wannabe metallist (problem being that he doesn't have enough talent to play real metal).
"The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:01:13 -0800 From: James Bennett <rycher@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater sales Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970303180113.0068fdf4@pacbell.net>
Does anyone out there have any idea how many units IAW and Awake have sold worldwide? Just curious....
!!!!!!! (=F4 =F4) +-----oOO----(_)----------------+ | Got a message from | | Rycher for ya! | +------------------------oOO----+ |__| |__| || || ooO Ooo
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: random replies... Message-ID: <199703031838.NAA08995@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> This is true, TBA is their highest seller. it's also the most blatantly > commercial radio friendly album just about any metal band has ever done. > This record was made to sell as many units as possible and has nothing > to do with musical integrity what so ever.
The only thing that was so terribly commercial about the Black album was the production. The material doesn't stray all that much from Master of Puppets. God forbid James Hetfield should sing. I like the Black album.
> Dream Theater should play Merriweather Post Pavillion when they visit > Maryland on the tour for the new album. It is a clean place, I don't > have to drive to New Jersey (MPP is only 45 minutes from me), and there > will be space to breathe (no drunks burning cigarette holes in my clothes > and intolerable heat levels). Rush, Van Halen, King Crimson, and similar > bands play here, why not Dream Theater.
Why not Dream Theater? Meriweather is just too big. I love the venue. I've seen Depeche Mode, The Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, Warrant, Huey Lewis and The News, Steve Winwood, Bruce Hornsby, Poison, Rush, Extreme/Bon Jovi, and Metallica play there. Clean, good sound <even on the lawn>. DT just wouldn't fill it, though.
Remember when DT played the Pier Six Concert Pavilion in the Inner Harbor in Baltimore? Summer of '93? Similar to Meriweather, but smaller. THAT kiced much ass. If the tour in the summer <fat chance> they should play there again.
> Nope, that song is off of the Ford Fairlane soundtrack. I've never > seen it anywhere else and I think it would be way kewl for them to > put it on their next album.
Not likely. It was written ca. Empire.
> The song's called "Last Time on Paris" and it's probably my favorite > B-side of theirs.
I like it a lot, too. My fav b-side, though, is their version of Scarborough Fair.
> The only other place I've seen this is on a bootleg I saw from the > Empire tour and (still kicking myself) never bought.
It's the b-side of the Real World cassette single.
> Anywho, I think I'd heard somehwhere before that the band had never > planned on re-releasing the song anywhere and that it would be a rare > occasion if they played it live.
On varying nights, they alternated Last time in Pris with Take Hold of the Flame on the Empire tour. I have a video boot of it.
> I guess it was a song they just came up with on the spot and thought it > was real lame. I think it rocks verily. :)
Me, too.
> Anyone else know about the Queen Tribute? I saw on the 'Net that > JLB & JP have done a couple of tracks ("Sheer Heart Attack" & one other) > on the Queen tribute.
JP plays guitar on Another One Bites the Dust, I hear.
> minutes of this abuse, I'd had enough. "One more question," I said. > "You've got an ego that would put most guitarists to shame, yet you > haven't recorded anything worthwhile for fifteen years, and you can't > even sell out a college gym in New York City. How do you explain this > disparity?" > > I was roughly escorted outside, but it was well worth it. :)
YES! That rules!
I love his voice in the studio, but I've seen live tapes and his pitch SUCKS!
> Anywho, the 1st song on Bat out of Hell II wasn't so bad (I would do > anthing for love) but what was it that he won't do?
THAT. <duh> :)
> Make the song a little shorter so it doesn't take up the 1st half of > the CD and keep playing the same sections of it over and over agian?
I like that it's long.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: labrie on aol? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970303113247.23219B-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
were any of you there at the on-line chat about Dragon Attack with Labrie and Kulick and stuff. Come on, what is the scoop!
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2311 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970303145453.43170B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > >The black album was the most successful album in Metallica's history, > >and all the albums leading up to it (if I'm not mistaken) show a > >remarkable sales increase. > > This is true, TBA is their highest seller. it's also the most blatantly > commercial radio friendly album just about any metal band has ever done. > This record was made to sell as many units as possible and has nothing > to do with musical integrity what so ever.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm not a Metallica fan. I was just commenting that it was highly unlikely that Metallica wrote Load to appease the record company (I'm not sure if it was you who originally suggested that or not). As far as musical intergrity goes, who knows (and honestly, who cares?).
> > >Therefore, it would stand to reason that the band is actually enjoying > >Load since it is not trying to follow-up a flop. > > One of the great things about LOAD (besides that it kicks ass) is that > it was not recorded to please the band wagon jumpers that bought TBA > and wanted TBA II. > Actually, Load is the only Metallica album I have actually bought. The reason I bought it was that I was driving across country and in the middle of my trip I stopped in a local K-mart in Bumblefuck to see if they had any new music. I don't particularly like it (aside from about three or four songs).
> >That, plus the fact that over the summer Metallica was having > >HUGE problems with Elektra, according to Metal Edge, leads me to believe > >that their contract was renegotiated so that Elektra wouldn't loose a > >cash-cow like Metallica. > > Metallica wasn't looking for more money, they were looking for ownership of > their songs. As it stood, Elektra owned the rights to their catalog, which > meant if Elektra wanted to rlease a Greatest Hits package like that piece > of shit one released by Van Halen, that there wasn't anything 'Tallica > could do about it. That's why it took so long for them to release LOAD. > Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure what the dispute was about.
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I'm responding to Richard Rivera's post saying how it took > several months to get his stuff. Wow! I'm very surprised to hear that! I > can't say as I blame you - I'd be pissed as hell to wait that long for CD's > too!!! I just have never had that problem with them. The only thing I can > think of is that they had to special order the discs for you. Do you know if > they had to do that or not?
I don't know. I wouldn't have minded as much if they had to do a special order, though even that should not have taken as long as it did. But the fact is that even if they were doing a special order, they never TOLD me they were. No letters of apology, nothing. Which led me to wonder whether nor I was being ripped off. Of course they do come through, but they've always taken their sweet time doing it.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 13:11:14 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: labrie on aol? Message-ID: <9702038574.AA857420934@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>were any of you there at the on-line chat about Dragon Attack >with Labrie and Kulick and stuff. >Come on, what is the scoop! Yeah, I had heard that Joey Vera was on their too, and did alot of talking about the new Fates CD... If anybody has a transcript of this AOL chat, please email me. Thanks! ~Mike ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703031508.D2797-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> > Subject: Where DT Should Play while on Tour in Maryland > > Hello Jammers, > > Dream Theater should play Merriweather Post Pavillion when they visit > Maryland on the tour for the new album. It is a clean place, I don't
You know, if they ever played Vermont, they could play in Richie's basement, since it would probably only be Richie and I there. :(
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> From: Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Dragon Attack Queen Tribute > > Anyone else know about the Queen Tribute? I saw on the 'Net that > JLB & JP have done a couple of tracks ("Sheer Heart Attack" & one other) > on the Queen tribute. Anyone have this CD yet & have any thoughts?
It fucking smokes. The only reason I like the Rush tribute better is that I like Rush better than Queen. There's a *wide* assortment of people on the Queen tribute - people that I thought were long since dead. Robin McAuley. Chris Impelliteri. Etc. Favorite track: "It's Late" with John Bush, Scott Ian, Joey Vera, and others. Get this disc. If for no other reason, get it to hear Lemmy sing "Tie Your Mother Down." :)
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> From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu > Subject: dt planetall stuff > > so ttt, (chug) my fellow ytsefreaks and visit planetall at: > > http://www.planetall.com > > and sign up under "dream theater fan club" (this is the group name they > gave me)
There's already a group set up called "Ytse Jam" or something that has about 20 people in it. Just wanted to let you know.
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> From: "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@Liberfone.Nl> > Subject: Lemur Voice Gigs > > 27-04-97 Lyon, French Dream Theater Convention (!!!) > > Okay, at the French Dream Theater convention James La Brie will be > present and Maybe he will sing a song with us (a DT-cover !!) > > So everyone who wants to be there, just come to the convention, it will > be great.
When was this announced? Well, good luck to whoever's organizing it!
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> Subject: Re: NEW CD!! NEW UPDATE!! TONS OF NEW STUFF. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.970303162137.24026A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> SOUND SAMPLES on the WEB PAGE (http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik) are > about to be put up (in about ten minutes) but then again you already knew > that.
i've downloaded the sample kids..it kicks ass.
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