YTSEJAM Digest 2314
Today's Topics:
1) Concert Halls in Holland etc
by "Charles Farrell" <charlie_farrell@msn.com>
2) Pavement's reference to Geddy
by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
3) status of the petition
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
4) Re: Queensryche (NDTC)
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
5)
by sir@micron.net
6) MP clinic in Toronto this Friday - I need a ride!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) The Meatloaf Answer.
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
8)
by Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
9) new bands (NDTC)
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
10) Album delay...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
11) DT in Europe, French DT convention, new albums!
by erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL)
12) FW: , new
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
13) 'tallica live
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
14) Until it sleeps rip-off...
by GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
15) New Ryche stuff...
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
16) Magellan and Lemur Voice
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
17) WTF?
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
18) CDs
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 04:25:42 UT
From: "Charles Farrell" <charlie_farrell@msn.com>
To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Concert Halls in Holland etc
Message-ID: <UPMAIL02.199703040422190730@msn.com>
For those thinking of traveling to Holland to catch DT, you can
access details of the concert halls in Holland via the following
1) for the Melkweg
http://www.knoware.nl/melkweg/ - From March 7th '97
2) For the Noorderligt venue try
http://www.knot.nl//Organisations/Popcluster/
although the page with the April program does not yet seem to
be working.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:51:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Pavement's reference to Geddy
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.95c.970303205021.2282B-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
Got this from alt.music.rush -- thought some of you might find it
amusing.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:53:23 -0800
To: aquanyne <aquanyne@iglou.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
aquanyne wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard the new Pavement song "Stereo". The second verse is:
>
> "What about the voice of Geddy Lee
> How did it get so high?
> I wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy
> 'I know him and he does' (this line is sung by another guy)
> And you're my fact checkin' cuz"
>
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
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The universe divided as the Heart and Mind collided : At
paranoia's poison door : The pen won't stay the Demon's wings :
The Weaver and the Web that he made : The youngest of the
family is moving with authority : Willing to risk salvation
to escape from isolation : You've drowned in your soul's
emptiness : Bus stop rat bag haha charade you are : Knights
of the Green Shield stamp and shout : Searching for the
answers but there's D A M A G E
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:04:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: status of the petition
Message-ID: <199703040504.AAA20507@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I was gone on vacation for a while and I was wondering what the status was
on the petition. Is is going to be submitted soon? Will it do anything.
Private e mail me back.. J
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 21:25:13 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Queensryche (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199703040517.VAA13533@odin.ax.com>
Yes, you can get your chins up off the floor. I'm still alive. <g>
>> The reason being, I think I heard the last half of one of their new
>> songs on Oklahoma City's KATT, something about "Paris" in it that I
>> remember. I thought it
>> was totally cool, and if indeed this was new queensryche, then I'm
>> tremendously looking forward to the new release!
>
>Nope, that song is off of the Ford Fairlane soundtrack. I've never
>seen it anywhere else and I think it would be way kewl for them to
>put it on their next album. The song's called "Last Time on Paris"
>and it's probably my favorite B-side of theirs.
Actually, it's not *that* hard to find. I picked up the single "Real
World" (this appeared in the film "Last Action Hero" if you recall) and
the B-side is "Last Time In Paris."
Jen
o.-.o Everything starts as
((^)) somebody's daydream.
O) _ (O LARRY NIVEN
O/ \O
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:42:46 -0700
From: sir@micron.net
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199703040543.WAA03535@snowden.micron.net>
>The new album II: A thought occoured to me last night on IRC. DT is
>having so much trouble getting into the studio. Awake sold OK...not as
>good as I&W.....but good none-the-less. Concidering this..we all better
>hope that the new album does well...or these problems are going to seem
>like childs play. Hopefully someone can shoot me down on this one.
don't mind if I do!
-Homer J. Simpson
Actually, Awake sold more total copies than I&W, just as i'm sure that TBA
will sell more than Awake did.
woot
p.s. by TBA i obviously meant to be announced not the black album. which
cooincidentally is a kicka album. then again so is load imho. sure a few
songs on it aren't exactly "metal" but most of it is. there's a only a
couple songs on it that might be considered "alternative." most if not all
of the ppl that call metallica "alternica" just do that to try to make ppl
think that they have big balls cause they only like really heavy stuff.
just for the record, i like 'tallica's old stuff better, and love superior,
so don't start saying that i say this cause i don't like heavy stuff.
tallica was my fave band for years (til the first time i heard dt that is
:) ) anyway, i'm just rambling here so i'll shut up now. i hope i haven't
restarted the old metallica thread now, but i'm sick of ppl trying to seem
cool by saying that metallica isn't metal. listen to ain't my bitch or
wasting my hate or outlaw torn or the thorn within etc... and then tell me
they're not metal. granted, they're not as heavy or fast overall as they
used to be, but they've always been a ballad type band anyway. sanitarium,
one, fade to black etc. i hope you tallica haters will at least consider
what i've said before you just flame me. "ok i listened to those songs and
they're not metal. duh i'm a retard." ok i'm done.
hey rip did i hear that you play diablo? if not you should cause there're
cows in it. :)
woot (again)
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:26:26 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MP clinic in Toronto this Friday - I need a ride!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703040155.h2797-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, folks. Someone a few jams back mentioned that they're planning to
drive from Boston to Toronto to catch the upcoming clinic. If you can
swing going through Burlington, VT, could you send me some e-mail? I got
plenty of boots and gas money. :)
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:28:11 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Meatloaf Answer.
Message-ID: <331CDA3B.3707@connexus.apana.org.au>
Ethyl Mertz bass player is Greg Smith.
GS is in Rainbow with Chuck Burgi who played in Meatloaf.
CB was in Balance with Bob Kulick (brother of Bruce - Kiss connection)
GS plays in Americade with Walt Woodward.
WW was in The Scream with John Corabi (Motley Crue) and Bruce
Boillet(typo) and John Aldrette (Racer connection)
I could go on for daze (-:
Eddy
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:20:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199703040820.AAA24767@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
>DT stuph: Am I the only one who finds it just a little bit unnerving that
>Derek is still in Ethyl Mertz? I know he doesn't spend a lot of time with
>them, but there's something that makes me nervous about a guy who divides
>his time between two bands. It makes me worry that he doesn't want to
>devote himself fully to either, though I expect I'm probably wrong about
>this.
He also has toured with Alice Cooper after he *officially* joined DT. I
have a video of Alice from Santiago 7 Sept 95 where Derek is playing keys.
I personally don't have a problem with someone dividing time between bands,
especially someone who plays a minor role like Derek. WAIT! I'm not saying
Derek isn't important, but from what I understand he hasn't really been doing
any songwriting, so he's probably had a lot of free time since DT hasn't
been in the studio. To me there's no reason why he should have to sit around
with his thumb up his ass waiting for Elektra to decide when DT can record
the new disc. Besides, Portnoy is doing clinics and hasn't Petrucci done
some too?
>To the North Dakota Jammer-
>I simpathize with you cause I know what it is like to have a simple
>little dream like seeing DT in concert shattered because we live in the
>boonies.
To the ND Jammer: do yourself a favor and GET THE HELL OUT OF THAT
SHITHOLE OF A STATE! I spent three LOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGG years of
my life there and everything about it sucked! You know it's bad when
a finalist for Miss Teen USA says the first thing she's going to do
when she turns 18 is MOVE out of ND to Chicago. There's a good ad
for ND!
>Interesting thought (maybe)...If Dream Theater did leave Elektra and go to
>CMC, you really wouldn't have to hunt around for the album because so many
>people would buy it.
CMC is a GREAT label! Dokken is on there as well as a lot of the 80's
Glam bands. I hear Whitesnake is putting out a CD on the label.
>Queen did exactly the same thing. 1978 was their "year out;" they
>spent most of the year outside the UK so they didn't have to pay taxes.
Like George Harrison said:
"Should 5% appear to small, be thankful I don't take it all."
Back in the old days England used to tax the wealthiest citizens a
tax rate of 95%!!!! I shit you not; 95%. But the USA sucks, right
Graham? ;)
>From: "Eugene E. Szucs" <szucseue@flyernet.udayton.edu>
>Subject: FOR SALE: Mind Control
Sounds like a George Orwell novel or something :)
>I was looking forward to another "real" Metallica album following in the
>footsteps of Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and And Justice for All.
I've seen Metallica 5 times in the last nine months and they play a LOAD
of old stuff, but they obviously will play LOAD songs too. Think if DT
tours after the new cd comes out but won't play anything off the new
album. Sounds kind of stupid, don't it.
SC
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Date: 4 Mar 97 11:30:20 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new bands (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9703041130.aa20@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Has anyone here heard of a Norwegian band called "Sea of Dreams"?
The band has been described as a crossover between DT and Helloween.
Other bands their sound is described to resemble are Queensryche (aren't
they all) and Stratovarius. Now all this sounds very fine and dandy but
I'd prefer some hard evidence before shelling out $25 for a demo cd
however "professionally" it is produced. The weirdest thing is that
whereas you can order the cd from their "fan club" in Norway for
$25 (incl. p&p), the same cd is available from CD Europe for $19.
Funky! Anyone interested, contact hkvalbei@sn.no or check their web
page out at http://home.sn.no/~hkvalbei/.
Has anyone gotten their hands on Madsword's cd? You know, the one
with a cover version of "The Ytse Jam" in it? I tried emailing the
ordering site in Italy, but I never got any response from them...
could it be that there are no anglophones in there?
Attention all Rush-heads out there. Get an earful of a band called
Waterfront Weirdos. I guarantee you won't be disappointed. They're
very Rush-esque, albeit a bit more leaning to the hard rock tradition.
Has Power of Omens already released their debut cd? If not, when
will this happen?
Inquiring minds want to know...
The ones who like their metal bit on the darker side, here's some
news for ya. Finnish band Thy Serpent fucking smokes! Get their debut
album "Forest of Witchery" as soon as you can. This band may well be the
vocabulary meaning of "dark ethereal music", as seen in one of our
fellow jammers sig... :) The overall sound resembles that of Tiamat, but
at times they sound like Helloween gone black metal! The vocalist's "voice"
may cause some gringes (he sounds like he's screaming through a gallon of
pleghm in his throat) but once you get past him, they're awesome. And,
the closing tune of the disc, "Wine from Tears" with it's beautiful
simplicity will probably make you cry. Also, the Norwegian folk-metallers
Ulver's latest effort, "Nattens Madrigal" will be out in late spring. Let's
hope they haven't lost the indescribable sound of ultimate loneliness of
"Kveldssanger". Man, that cd never ceases to amaze me.
Aaaaand, in the nutcase corner, representing Waltari with a new album in
April. It seems they still haven't figured out what the fuck they will
become when they've grown up...their latest disc was a death metal symhony
with a female opera soprano and Amorphis' growling vocalist, the previous
one introduced genuine lapplander's folk songs for the metal audience
combined with your average New Your hardcore and the future release will
incorporate computer-generated distortion sounds (read:techno) into some
death-metal style singing with nasal backing vocals. What's next? Progressive
polka with Barry Manilow on vocals?
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:07:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Album delay...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970304035941.4061A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Why is it that everyone seems so surprised that DT isn't going to be in
the studio soon? I have seen a lot of posts from people who seem to have
just realized this from the April dates in Europe. It's been stated
pretty clearly on the web page since last month that Mike is doing clinics
until the end of March, and I know that JP is making an appearance in St
Louis in early April. The 'mini-tour' isn't pushing their start date back
any more than this stuff is. And besides, if the problem is with the
label, I don't think that this is making much of a difference. Hell,
maybe if the label sees that the band can still sell out venus after a
year or more without touring or an album, it will make them see what
they're missing and put DT in the studio!
As far as the Europe shows, has there been any official confirmation of
this? I only saw one post on it...
=20
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:04:52 +0100 (NFT)
From: erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in Europe, French DT convention, new albums!
Message-ID: <9703041204.AA33214@ibm1.cicrp.jussieu.fr>
Guten Morgen!
Okay, first something about the cool events that will take place soon in
Europe:
Graham Borland wrote:
> Fuck yeah, I'm going to Amsterdam!
Fuck yeah, me too! :)
Who else?
The Digital Man wrote:
> > From: "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@Liberfone.Nl>
> > Subject: Lemur Voice Gigs
> >
> > 27-04-97 Lyon, French Dream Theater Convention (!!!)
> >
> > Okay, at the French Dream Theater convention James La Brie will be
> > present and Maybe he will sing a song with us (a DT-cover !!)
> >
> > So everyone who wants to be there, just come to the convention, it will
> > be great.
>
> When was this announced? Well, good luck to whoever's organizing it!
Stephane is organizing it, and he didn't tell the jam yet 'cause he wanted to
wait until everything was confirmed. I will surely be there, any other
'jammers planning to travel to Lyon?
Finally, my opinion about some new albums I got the opportunity to listen to:
Queensryche: Hear In The Now Frontier
I don't like it. Most of the songs sound the same and I don't see
anything special in it. I liked Promised Land a lot more.
Threshold: Extinct Instinct
I've only been listening to it one time, but they didn't seem to change
their style a lot, which in this case means that it's surely a great album! :)
Symphony X: The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
An absolute killer! My favourite album at the moment. A progressive mix of
Angra, Malmsteen, DT, Superior, Blind Guardian,... excellent musicians,
great production, check them out !!!
Take care!
Ties
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 04:22:29 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: FW: , new
Message-ID: <199703041222.EAA00180@ms.kallback.com>
>Symphony X: The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
>An absolute killer! My favourite album at the moment. A progressive mix of
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Any lead on where to get this fast?
I've had it on back order from CD Europe for over 8 weeks!
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:47:00 -0500
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 'tallica live
Message-ID: <199703041336.IAA10162@uhura.ici.net>
>And to any of you that don't think they're Heavy Metal anymore, just go to
>one of their concerts on this tour, i just saw them on friday and it made me
>regain all my respect for them.
Amen. I saw them live twice touring after TBA, and they were just as rockin'
as you want, "sell-out" be damned. As far as I'm concerned, any band that
still plays "So What?" live is not interested in "playing it safe". :)
Aa a matter of fact, I will be seeing them live tonight (3/4) in Boston.
Anyone else that's going to the show, hope to see ya there. I'll be "around"
section 7, wearing a long-sleeve Fix For '96 tee.
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E-mail: psull@ici.net
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Dream Theater - "When Dream And Day Unite"
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:48:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Until it sleeps rip-off...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970304134344.9781A-100000@liskeard>
KorgX3 said...
>and the only song I liked was (of course) Until it Sleeps. I think
>mebbe it's cuz they ripped it off of an old 80s song. I'm still
>trying to figure out which one, but I know I've heard it before. I
>think it was by The Police.
Actually a friend of mine claims it is a song called "push it". You know,
the one that goes.. "aaah... push it, push it real good", and then the
melody that follows is similar to the main riff in UIP. I can't remember
the band's name... but I think most of you know which song I'm talking
about! ;)
Achilles \\ "You turned me round to face myself, //
Metalhead and \\ made me trust in what I am" //
Dream Theater fan \\ Rage - All this time //
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:30:31 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Ryche stuff...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970304143031.006b6b54@enteract.com>
>From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
>>The only other place I've seen this is on a bootleg I saw from the
>>Empire tour and (still kicking myself) never bought.
> It's also on part two of the "Silent Lucidity" import single.
> Incidentally, I've heard from at least two sources that the new
>single "Sign of the Times" sounds a lot like "Last Time In Paris." So if
>you like "Last Time In Paris," check out "Sign of the Times."
Well...first and foremost, yes, Last Time in Paris is on a Silent Lucidity
single...I believe it's a Dutch import..somewhere around that region of
Europe. :)
>From: MTeiper@aol.com
>You can find a new Queensryche soundbite in WAV format (for "Sign Of the
>Times") at http://www.mcs.net/~ryche/ The sample is a little over 30
>seconds. I think it's kinda cool... yet again, they're sounding totally
>different! You can also find a track listing of "Hear In the Now Frontier"
>right here.
Well, I've heard about 70% of the new album...and I wasn't all that
impressed. Which is saying a LOT, considering I've been a big QR fan for
about 4 years now. "Sign of the Times", contrary to opinion, isn't really
like "Last Time in Paris". LTIP is a funny, upbeat, almost joke of a song
(in lyrics, not in songwriting); SOTT is "serious" and almost bland.
Personally, I like LTIP about 3x more than I like SOTT...
I guess I can wrap it up in this statement: the new album is REALLY
different, so if you go in there expecting to here Ryche, you might be let
down. Listen to it as if you've never heard any Ryche before. Then..it might
do something for you. :)
-Maddy
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:32:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magellan and Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970304082852.13201A-100000@rossby>
Hi everyone.
While I'm STILL waiting for my Superior CD from Dream Disc (going on 2
months now), and also waiting for my Leviathan CD from Century Media
records (also going on 2 months now), I want to ask anybody for some
critques and recommendations about the above 2 bands. From what I've
heard so far, these 2 bands are great. I just want to hear officially
from jammers (although I already heard about Lemur Voice's insights)
about how heavy these bands are, what their style is like, time changes,
vocal quality, drumming, etc. Any specific releases to be recommended?
Thanks,
Jon
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Date: 4 Mar 1997 10:30:36 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WTF?
Message-ID: <199703041537.HAA17158@odin.ax.com>
YT> They had people like John Christ (who picks as good as JP),
..snip...
I trust you mean Joe Perry. :)
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:42:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CDs
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970304103407.19281D-100000@bdmserver>
Went to Best Buy yesterday to get the new Live cd. Of course they had no
copies. Walked around and noticed that after months since they first came
out they had Alan Parson's On Air and Yngwie's Inspiration. I then
decided to check the tributes and there was Dragon Attack.
I've only listended to half the tribute cd and think it is great. I was just
disappointed that the cd is only 42 minutes long.
On Air is pretty good. Has some Pink Floydish moments. Definitely mellow.
I dont understand why it is called Alan Parson since he only plays on a
couple of tunes. This cd has one disc of music and one as a cdrom. The
cdrom is kinda cool.
I haven't listend to Inspiration yet....
At BEst Buy I was amazed that they would have (literally) 500 copies of
the Howard Stern soundtrack yet no new Live cds. Makes you wonder what
Best Buy is thinking. Maybe if they got a clue they would be doing better
financially. Like get enough copies of a new cd to meet the demand. Also
actually have cds when they come out instead of months later. Maybe if
they had listening stations that actually work...
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