YTSEJAM Digest 2317
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2245
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2315
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
3) subtlerage - first impressions
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
4) New stuff...
by Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org>
5) Rudess & Mortgenstein?
by MTeiper@aol.com
6) MP or JM instructional Video.
by Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2316
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
8) John Christ
by David Sabetai <DAVIDJON@worldnet.att.net>
9) Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
10) Re: Symphony X
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
11) California Guitar Trio
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
12) WRIF, CMC, Jackson deal
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
13) Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Uh oh...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
15) Re: New stuff...
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
16) Tyketto
by "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:10:27 -0600 (CST)
From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2245
Message-ID: <199734211514319169@ix.netcom.com>
On 02/03/97 23:36:08 you wrote:
>From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
>Images & Words had a very artificial-sounding drum sound, even
>though it stood out well in the mix. Awake has this amazing drum sound
>where you can hear every last splash and mini-tom, but the album itself
>is mixed a bit too thickly to appreciate the drum sound much.
Mike try listening to I&W and Awake again, specifically LTL and Scarred.
Then you tell me which track has the cymbals and smaller toms more audible.
I guess I'm saying I feel just the opposite of you. I&W is much more clearer
in this respect.
> Those of you who want to be blown away by how good Mike's drum
>sound can be, must either go see them in concert, or buy the Progressive
Try the above (I've only seen DT three times), because I sure can't hear MP's
"great drum sound" in the boots I have. At the concerts I've seen the drums have
varied in sound and tone which is par for the course if your just miking the drums.
Michael C.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:18:49 -0500 (EST)
From: DrummerEsh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2315
Message-ID: <970304221838_2062345384@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Hello all jammers. First of alI id like to say that DreamTheater diserves an
award and that progressive rock should be recognized in all music awards.
Second I wanted to know if anyone has seen the new Mike Portnoy video
"Progressive Drumming"? and finally when the hell are the boys comming to
California?
"I rather live like an Esh than die like a GOV" ~~DrummerEsh and the Esh
crew
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:25:44 -0500
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: subtlerage - first impressions
Message-ID: <19970305032540817.AAB175@mail.fxn.com>
Go to http://www.subtlerage.com NOW! Listen to the samples. Buy First
Impressions!!!
I just got the tape in the mail yesterday. I was amazed by the quality of
the recording/production, packaging, and most importantly, the music. Not
only does he have chops to burn, and a great melodic and compositional
sense, he writes from the heart, and as a result, the music is uniquely and
undeniably Andrew Miller.
Don't buy the tape because I say so... don't buy it because Andrew Miller
says so... Buy it because you're a person who wants to hear great music.
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
--e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g--
--h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 23:06:38 -0800
From: Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New stuff...
Message-ID: <331D1B7E.49B4@northnet.org>
>Actually a friend of mine claims it is a song called "push it". You
>know,
>the one that goes.. "aaah... push it, push it real good", and then the
>melody that follows is similar to the main riff in UIP. I can't remember
>the band's name... but I think most of you know which song I'm talking
>about! ;)
Its true!! I was immediately reminded of that wacky 80's tune as
soon as I heard 'Until it Sleeps'!
Anyways, I will be severely disappointed if Queensryche has gone
semi-mainstreamish. I mean, I'll be REALLY pissed. I love QR almost as
much as I do DT, and It would really blow if there new album is a let
down.
I kind of felt the same way about the new Rush album. Up until
TfE, I thought that band could do no wrong, and that everything they
released would be slick. When TfE was released, I was so disappointed
(on top of that shit they pulled with Working Man), that I dont really
get anything out of Rush's music anymore. Its sad, but like MAddy said,
when a band's 'experiment' turns out music that all sounds the same, I
feel like they're running in circles, and Im turning away. Thus, instead
of paying attention to the music that we all know they should be making,
they have chosen to become Status Seekers.:)
Well, that aside, can someone point me in the right direction to
find some Symphony X material? I've heard a lot of good about this band,
and I really want to check them out!
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:16:21 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rudess & Mortgenstein?
Message-ID: <970304225947_1283084378@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Hey gang!
Does anyone have the inside scoop on Rudess & Mortgenstein's new CD, like
when it's coming out? I saw them open for DT in Poughkeepsie on the Fix
tour.... Amazing!!! Rudess's web page doesn't tell me much. Thanx... -
Matt T.
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:21:10 -0800
From: Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MP or JM instructional Video.
Message-ID: <331D02C6.5417@pop.dakotacom.net>
Hey Freaks!!@@@
It's me again, askin for your help again. I'm looking for a copy of
either the MP or the JM instruccional videos. If anyone is willing to
make a "GOOD QUALITY" doub, please let me know privately. I appreciate
your time and help.
Sincerely
Hector Crisantes
DTFreak
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:30:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2316
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970304230833.100002C-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> > I have a weird opinion of CMC. There's a band I like called Tyketto
> > (I'll be really impressed if anyone here has heard of them). A
> > couple of years ago they put out there second album called "Strength
> > In Numbers." It was their first release on CMC and it was actually
>
> Whaoh? I got that one. I swear the first time I heard Rescue me, I
> though JP was playing guitar. After listening to it a little farther
> it got all glammy, but I still like the album. :) Standing Alone
> rocks. Wish I'd heard the original version. I was just lucky enuff
> to find this in a used CD bin. There's an import of a newer one at
> the local shoppe, but it's like $30 and I'm not sure if I wanna dish
> out for it. That little descending diddle do diddle do diddle do
> diddle do whaddle-addle-addle-addle rox. :) (Rescue Me) Anyway...
>
WOW! The jam never ceases to amaze me. "Strength In Numbers" is much more
blusey than their first (and IMHO superior) album. "Standing Alone" is
one of the best ballads of all time and the original isn't that much
different than one you're talking about (a couple extra background vocals
and acoustic guitar parts). Personally, I like the fist version better.
I'm pretty sure that the import you're talking about is "Take Out And
Served Up Live," a live & b-side collection with both singers (Danny
Vahgn, who left after "Strength In Numbers" and his replacement, former
lead singer for Tall Stories. Interestingly, Danny is now back in the
band).
>
---and---
> It's always your freedom to disagree. Maturity has nothing to do with it
> though. I guess it's "not the best thing" to amplify or manipulate sound from
> instuments of Rock now?
We're not talking instruments as a whole, just drums.
Why should the drum evolution stop at with just a
> microphone on the drum.
It doesn't have to. You can add reverb, delay, etc.
If guitarists and keyboardists meddle with their sound
> why not drums?
It's not like you CAN'T do it with drums, I just personally don't like it
as much. Here's why. The electric guitar and synthesizers are electric by
their nature. When you plug one of these into an amp, you're naturally
going to manipulate the signal in order to get any kind of sound (there
very fact that they are designed to be plugged in is a tip-off). That's
fine. But with drums, the signal, to me, sounds damn fine with just
microphone amplification. You're just enhancing an organic sound. But in
regards to drum triggers specifically, they distort the original sound to
a point that it detracts from what I like to call the "human"
factor...you know, variations in dynamics. Specifically, on "Metropolis",
for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what the hell Mike was doing
during the end of the instrumental section. But when I got a hold of a
boot and listened to it, it became easier to understand. Not to say that
I can play it, but at least a can hear what is going on.
A few on the list have expressed their dissaproval of the drum trigger
> issue, I believe most of these people are jumping on the bandwagon. Well Mike P.
> said it so it must be so. Hmmmmm. Maturity - I would bet I've played drums
> longer than you have been on this earth.
>
Probably a good bet. But the length of time one spends studying a subject
does not necessarily justify his viewpoint. As a drummer, I personally
don't like triggers. Maybe in sixty yeas I'll change my mind.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:40:15 +0000
From: David Sabetai <DAVIDJON@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: John Christ
Message-ID: <19970305044003.AAD6775@LOCALNAME>
>YT> They had people like John Christ (who picks as good as JP),
>..snip...
>I trust you mean Joe Perry. :)
Not really. Christ is a hell of a player. He played Flight of the Bumblebee
with every note picked and at the same tempo as the classical version. He
showed the audience some chromatic warm up exercises close to what JP does.
He also can play many other styles than metal like blues, classical, and a
he has some prog. rock in him.
Isaac
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:08:08 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <B0000047555@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 06:41 AM 3/4/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi everyone.
>critques and recommendations about the above 2 bands. From what I've
>heard so far, these 2 bands are great. I just want to hear officially
>from jammers (although I already heard about Lemur Voice's insights)
>about how heavy these bands are, what their style is like, time changes,
>vocal quality, drumming, etc. Any specific releases to be recommended?
I'm sure all the jammers will give you the go-ahead on LV. I think the
first two tracks really shine in the album. It has the energy of I&W. The
rest of the songs have a Fates Warning slant to them. I haven't really
listened to the last few songs that well, but I can safely say this is a
good disc.
Now, Magellan, you will get mixed comments. Lot of people hate them, some
people like them, some people think they are under-rated. Personally, I
think the band has flaws, but that just might be a matter of taste. I am
one of the people that like them. First and formost, the vocalist Trent
Garnder is hard to stomach or rather ear. His voice is just about likeable
as Geddy Lee. However, I think he is a under-rated keyboardist. He uses a
lot of different sounds, and is quite melodic. They use a drum machine
which sounds tinny in the mix, but is some pretty decent programming for a
prog band. Some of their songwriting can be a little too disjointed where
they start up a good progression, but ruin it with an abrupt part. I like
some of their longer songs.
Magellan was one of the first prog-rock bands that I heard. I guess you can
catogorize them in the "neo-prog" camp with a harder rock sound. Compared
to other neo-groups (Cast, IQ, Arena) the Trent Gardner's keys are better
than the ones on these bands, IMO. I lot of people hear some Yes, Kansas,
Styx in their music, but I can't really make direct comparisons. I like
their first album better than their latest. The latest the has a more
polished produced sound.
My advice: listen before you buy.
BTW, the new Magellan album "Test of Wills" is coming out in May 20. I have
a feeling this album is going to knock peoples sock's off, and say ,"Jeez,
this stuff rocks". According to Trent, the album will be heavy and feature
a live drummer. TG in an interview "brags" how great he is. Check on
Ghostland's page for the interview and latest news: http://ghostland.com
Walter.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:15:39 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Symphony X
Message-ID: <B0000047562@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 08:48 AM 3/4/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>Ties, don't forget the huge Yngwie touch of Symphony X.
I was just curious..does the guitarist do play just like Yngwie or do better
than that. I just wondering because I usually feel that rehashed Yngwie get
really tiresome fast. Not that I don't like fast guitar. When I'm in the
mood, I like Joe Stump (may I say couple notches above Yngwie), Tony
MacAlpine. I just hope this is not just straight ahead metal with a
standard apreggio solo in between.
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:30:48 -0800
From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
Subject: California Guitar Trio
Message-ID: <l03020900af42b2e7684a@DialupEudora>
Neil-
> Does anyone know anything about the California Guitar Trio? How good are
> these guys?
SEE THEM! Buy their music!
They're not jump-around musicians, or what you might consider progressive
rock, but these guys have chops (man, I feel weird using that word, since
I'm not really a guitarist) that will make your jaw drop. Their playing and
sound is extremely tight and precise. Many times they sound like a
harpsichord.
> types of music,
Anything from Bach to the Ventures, w/ some Good, Bad & Ugly thrown in for
good measure. All instrumental.
> do they play with drummer/bass or just guitars,
Just the three of them.
> where to find their discs..
Like most DGM stuff, your best bet is purchasing direct, if you can't find
a good music store.
Possible Productions (California)
c/o Mark Perry
351 Magnolia Avenue
Long Beach, CA 90802
e-mail: PossProd@aol.com
order: (310) 435-5901
fax: (310) 491-1945
I'm eagerly anticipating seing them this Thursday.
pg
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Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle
pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato
| "Do be do be do" - Sinatra
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:41:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WRIF, CMC, Jackson deal
Message-ID: <01IG4HG8ZAVM8ZE6N1@ltu.edu>
I wrote a huge long message a few minutes back, but it all got lost
when my system froze and I got really mad, so I'll make this short.
-Jeff E.
Yes, WRIF are a bunch of hypocritical bastards. They suck.
-CMC
Yes, they have real distribution problems and advertising problems.
I think Roadrunner would be a much better choice. I had tons of
good reasons and examples, but I don't feel like writing all that
shit again.
-Jackson deal
IMHO unless you are really hard up for recording eq, I wouldn't do it.
C# (See sharp)
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:02:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970305005953.8564B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Somebody asked about Magellan and Lemmer Voice. I have both bands CDs and
can tell you a lot since I do a prog rock show on a radio station.
Firstly, LV is vintage prog metal. NO bones about that. Magellan is
definitely different. Not heavy like DT, definitely very electronic,
although their song structure is definitely progressive. There are many
time changes and complex musical passages going on. You may get a little
turned off by the singer, but the music is good. The albums released now
don't have a human drummer, the drums are sequenced but sound real at
least in playing although I can tell that they are not acoustic drums.
IMpending Ascension is probably a good place to start with Magellan. Hope
this helps a little. I would recommend both bands. hands down.
Damon Fibraio
Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
professional dumb-ass
"you can feel the waves coming on
Let them destroy you or carry you on.
You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time
Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater,
Take the Time
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:14:25 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Uh oh...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703050127.J25405-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Jonathan Case <jcase@BERGERON.METR.uoknor.edu>
> Subject: Sign of the times
>
> Just turned on the KATT here in Oklahoma City, and they just started to
> play "sign of the times", by Queensryche. It's fairly ordinary and a bit
> more grungy than usual QR, but it's not too bad. I could get used to it.
Why do I have a feeling that this is going to get really ugly really soon?
----> From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) > Subject: Re: The Metallica list > > As far as I can tell the entire idea of the Jam was to discuss prog music, > and any tangents thereof. If Metallica is one of those tangents, then we > should be allowed to discuss it. (Oh, and my $0.18 cents worth is that > Load is a great album)
You must be new.
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> From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> > Subject: Thoughts on CMC > > that I bought. Well, the day it came out I of course went to the local > record store (notice the singluar use- this is Vermont) to pick it up,
You and I have to hit Rock Island more often. Not much in the way of new stuff, but great boot selection.
Where the hell are all the rest of the Vermont jammers? There's got to be at least two or three besides us. Hello?
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> From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com > Subject: Re: Triggers and Maturity! Hmmmm. > > issue, I believe most of these people are jumping on the bandwagon. Well Mike P. > said it so it must be so. Hmmmmm. Maturity - I would bet I've played drums > longer than you have been on this earth. > > Don't take this as an attack because it's not - just a "mature" view from a drummer who has > explored both sides of this issue.
Sure seems that way, big guy. You love to show up every now and then and cause trouble, don't you?
> May God Bless and shine His light upon you,
How's that old saying go? Better to light a candle than to wait for someone else to do it?
----
> From: Matt Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu> > Subject: North Dakota ROCKS > > > my life there and everything about it sucked! You know it's bad when > > a finalist for Miss Teen USA says the first thing she's going to do > > when she turns 18 is MOVE out of ND to Chicago. There's a good ad > > for ND! > > the for Miss Teen USA's comments: Oh well, I guess we should ALL > treasure the advice of some bleach-blond teenie-bopper > bimbo-beauty-queen. I'm sure her 18 years of cheerleading and and giving > the quarterback head under the bleachers have made her a fountain of > wisdom! I think you should reevaluate your choice or role models.
Glad to see that everyone has decided to be open-minded, non-judgmental, non-prejudiced, and mature about this.
I bet you would have loved to be the quarterback in high school.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:35:20 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New stuff... Message-ID: <199703050646.WAA25758@odin.ax.com>
> Served Up Live," a live & b-side collection with both singers (Danny > Vahgn, who left after "Strength In Numbers" and his replacement, > former lead singer for Tall Stories. Interestingly, Danny is now > back in the band).
I din't think the one I saw was a live one. May have been. I shoulda looked at it closer. It's been there for quite some time, though. As about Tall Stories, I found their album in the used bin, too, and still got it. Not as good as Tyketto, but still some real kewl stuff on it. I guess I'll have to go look at that CD again. :)
> >Actually a friend of mine claims it is a song called "push it". You > >know, > >the one that goes.. "aaah... push it, push it real good", and then the > >melody that follows is similar to the main riff in UIP. I can't remember > >the band's name... but I think most of you know which song I'm talking > >about! ;) > Its true!! I was immediately reminded of that wacky 80's tune as > soon as I heard 'Until it Sleeps'!
OK, are you talking about that song by (you know, that band?), who wrote the song, "Whip it?" The guys that wore the fire hydrants or whatever on their heads? Who was that... I know it. My mom's got it in her 80s collection... I dunno if that's the song I was thinking of. I'll have to dig through those tapes. Until it Sleeps reminds me of a gloomier 80s song, like something Prince wrote off of Purple Rain or Sting would've wrote with the Police. This is really buggin me. I'm gonna be going retro to figure this out. :)
Not the Tubes. Brother Cane ripped off one of their songs real bad. "Just don't fall in love.... She's a Beauty... She's a one in a million girl... She's a beauty..."
And then there's Eddie VH who rips off of his own songs when he runs out of ideas. :) I swear I was able sing the chorus part for Roundabout in a couple of the songs off of the last album. Ahh... well, I bought all of his albums so I shouldn't complain, it's still good. :)
Where was I? Oh, yeah retro. Gotta dig out all those old Scratch n' Sniff stickers. hope they still work... Posting too much today dammit. :( Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 01:09:36 -0600 From: "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tyketto Message-ID: <331D1C30.4BD@mo.net>
I've heard of them. I remember hearing talk about them on Headbangers Ball eons ago.
Dale R. Newberry
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