YTSEJAM Digest 2318
Today's Topics:
1) prog only / Michael c. returns
by The Incubus <skooc@earthlink.net>
2) Tyketto...
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
3) Bela Fleck--Progressive Music wins a Grammy!!
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
4) Re: U W, quarterbacks
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
5) MN jammers help me! JP vid, and streets on tv (Sort of)
by David Alderman <anonymous@ix.netcom.com>
6) Prog covers of S&G
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
7) Enchant-Wounded
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
8) Info about DT italian gig and stuff fro trade!
by "Francesco" <amendo@tno.it>
9) DT convention in Lyon
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
10) Re: prog only / Michael c. returns
by eckie@asu.edu
11) Re: California Guitar Trio
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
12) Sentinal Steel
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
13) stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
14) Savatage/Blind Guardian
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) Re: New stuff...
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
16) Open minds unite.....
by svjohnson@amoco.com
17) drum triggers
by " Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
18) Re: New stuff...
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2317
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP!
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
21) Re: New stuff...
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:15:15 -0800 (PST)
From: The Incubus <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: the prog list? <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: prog only / Michael c. returns
Message-ID: <199703050715.XAA05362@armenia.it.earthlink.net>
>You follow me on this one? Can I clarify? Remember how this is a
>progressive mailing list? And how Metallica is not a progressive band?
uh, last time I checked this was the Dream Theater list. It has mutated
into a prog or whatever length D-Man's nose hairs are list, but I don't
remember ever seeing in Skadz update or the welcome email where it says
this is a progressive list. Metallica isn't progressive, but I've seen
MANY different bands discussed here that are about as progressive as
Green Day, plus the Metallica list sucks more than any list I've ever
seen in my life. The list admin is a prick.
>May God Bless and shine His light upon you,
>Michael C.
Hey Mike! Glad you're back! This is for you:
"I deny Jesus Christ, the Deceiver
and I abjure the Christian faith.
Holding in contempt all of it's works."
(lyrics to "The Oath" by Mercyful Fate")
I told you before you were booted over a year ago that if you kept this
crap up I'd find some Satanic shit to quote, and since I have all the
Mercyful Fate albums I didn't have to look very far.
>Yeah, ND is cold and I have to work a little harded to find my
>favorite CD's, but at least I breathe clean air, NEVER fight rush
>hour traffic,
To have a rush hour you have to have PEOPLE.
>pay very low living expenses and so on.
It's low rent because no one wants to live there.
>Maybe you just don't apperciate the more subtle pleasures of life
Like watching grass grow, having sex with farm animals or marrying
my sister? No, I don't enjoy those things very much.
>or maybe you couldn't handle the weather (not to say you're a WIMP or
anything).
The Wheather didn't bother me much. It's amazing what you can put up
with when you have no choice.
>As the for Miss Teen USA's comments: Oh well, I guess we should ALL
>treasure the advice of some bleach-blond teenie-bopper...
>I think you should reevaluate your choice or role models.
She's not a role model, I just thought it was interesting when I was
watching the show and that was her answer to what she wanted to do
when she graduated.
When I lived there ND had a law where nothing could open Sundaysexcept
for gas stations, restaurants and food stores. People didn't want stores
open because Sunday was the sabbath. But when you reminded them that the
people at the restaurants they went to after church were working they
would say "Well, that's *different*. Of course it was, because the people
were waiting on them. Hipocrits. Believe me, for everything you say is a
plus I can give you two minus'. Watch the movie Fargo sometime. It mostly
takes place in Brainerd, but it holds true for anywhere in the rural
midwest.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:52:58 UT
From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tyketto...
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199703050739050730@msn.com>
(Yes, I'm still around -- sometimes...)
Tyketto, huh??
Here's a scary one -- I've head of them, heard them, seen 'em live, AND got
the t'shirt... }:)
Oh yah -- for those of you on my mailing list (which I lost....brilliant me),
the web page has been completely overhauled (again). Check it out.
Suz
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3781
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:13:32 -0500
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bela Fleck--Progressive Music wins a Grammy!!
Message-ID: <199703050807.DAA07204@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey guys!
I agree with everyone that the Grammy's are a crock. After all, Led
Zeppelin never even got one. However, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones won
Best Pop Instrumental performance this year!! That's a huge win for
progressive music. Those of you who haven't heard them should check out
their "Live Art" album and prepare to be blown away!
-Mike Bradley
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:20:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: U W, quarterbacks
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970305031933.21002B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Do all you U W Jammers know each other? There are a lot of you.
I still wish I was a quarterback.
Be well.
Matt B
====================
"You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The
Great Muppet Movie)
"Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime,
Transformers the Movie)
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 02:19:35 -0600
From: David Alderman <anonymous@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MN jammers help me! JP vid, and streets on tv (Sort of)
Message-ID: <331D2C97.6482@ix.netcom.com>
Hey do any MN jammers know a record store in the Mpls. area where they
have a decent selection? This area is just so devoid of good music.
Oh I recently got the JP instructional video. I threw my guitar away
shortly after watching it. Jeepers that guy is fast! I ordered this
from CDNow and it took them about 4 weeks to get it to me for ~$35.
Oh there is an ad on television that has the traditional version of the
song "Heal My Soul" that is on Savatage's Streets. I can't remember
what the ad was for but it had Christopher Reeves in it and was for some
sort of charity thing I believe. Kinda cool to hear.
Well that is all...
David
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:25:50 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: Prog covers of S&G
Message-ID: <199703050825.AAA00170@ms.kallback.com>
>>I like it a lot, too. My fav b-side, thoughis their version of
Scarborough Fair.
>Ooh, I heard this a few weeks ago. VERY cool. Nice and dark-sounding. I
like the >original, too.
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Is that Simon & Garfunkel's Scarborough Fair?
Heir Appearant does a killer version of The Sound of Silence.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:29:27 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: Enchant-Wounded
Message-ID: <199703050829.AAA00149@ms.kallback.com>
>Hey, has anyone out there know anything about Enchant "Wounded" being
>released on Magna Carta? I'd heard it was supposed to be out today but
>so far no one has s**t on it!
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MC says its has been delayed until May 1.
I know because I tried to order it already.
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:02:33 +0000
From: "Francesco" <amendo@tno.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Info about DT italian gig and stuff fro trade!
Message-ID: <199703050857.JAA16230@sirio.tno.it>
1) Hello Jammers,
I'm an italian fan of The Band...
if anyone of you is interested I can record a CD bootleg called
"Skyway of nightmares" (live in Germany '93) and a VHS bootleg (PAL)
of the gig in Milan '95, perfect quality.
I'm interested in about everything you have, since I have nothing
else!
2) About DT concert in Italy. I heard here that IT WILL BE DONE in a
little town close to Milan (Gallarate I think) but it will be a mess
to find tickets.... I'm still waiting for a confirmation anyway. I'll
let you know about it.
3) Never heard a prog band called TIME MACHINE ? It's italian and
really killer one!!!
Greetings from the beautiful Italy!!
Francesco Amendola
Via Rosselli 24
70126 Bari
Italy
tel. ++39 80 5537163
++39 360 622207
e-mail: amendo@tno.it
HP: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/sundown/index.html
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:00:40 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT convention in Lyon
Message-ID: <v03007800af42f3f93da7@[128.178.99.38]>
>From: erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: DT in Europe, French DT convention, new albums!
>Message-ID: <9703041204.AA33214@ibm1.cicrp.jussieu.fr>
>Stephane is organizing it, and he didn't tell the jam yet 'cause he wanted to
>wait until everything was confirmed. I will surely be there, any other
>'jammers planning to travel to Lyon?
Yeah me dammit!!!
All this info on LV's URL, by the way. Also they're planning of touring
Europe maybe in 97 with Superior and Shadow Gallery?
.............................................
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & v o x
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 03:16:52 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: prog only / Michael c. returns
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970305031518.18702A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> Green Day, plus the Metallica list sucks more than any list I've ever
> seen in my life. The list admin is a prick.
>
No, the MEGADETH list admin is a SOOPER PRICK! Rattlhead, I think.
Whattafucker.
~Eckie
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.970305081638.25981A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Does anyone know anything about the California Guitar Trio? How good are
> these guys? types of music, do they play with drummer/bass or just guitars,
> musical styles, where to find their discs..
they have two albums out: Yamanashi Blues and Invitation.
How good are they? I love them. Imagine 3 guitarists (trained
very, very well) playing together. my mom says it sounds like mexican
guitar music, and i guess it's a fair comparison.
where to pick them up: possible productions: 1-310-435-5901.w
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 05:28:49 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: Sentinal Steel
Message-ID: <199703051328.FAA00161@ms.kallback.com>
Does anyone (Kevin D.?) have a phone number or web site for Sentinal Steel?
The number I have 201-586-1058 is out of service and directory assistance
has no listing for them in NJ.
thanks
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:44:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970305093617.8740B-100000@bdmserver>
I forgot to save the email address of the person who logged the Dragon
Attack chat on AOL. Can that person or someone else who has the log send
it to me? Thanks
I feel Metallica should be allowed to be discussed here. We shouldn't go
overboard on it though. DT did cover Damage so Metallica is in some
degree DT related if they aren't considered prog.
Whats with this ragging on Dokken and Whitesnake? They were definitely
the cream of the crop of the 80's hard rock bands. Dokken is still Rokkin
and I look forward to new Whitesnake. Both bands have or had some great
musicians in them at one time. Dokken with George Lynch and Jeff Pilson.
Whitesnake with Steve Vai, Adrian Vandenburg, John Sykes, Rudy Sarzo? I
wish there were more bands like these around today instead of all these
alternative grunge annoying bands...
In some realted DT content I am taking the fiancee to see Phil Collins
(formerly of Genesis) tonight. I really have no clue what to expect. Will
he do Genesis songs or stick to his pop hits? He best play In the Air
Tonight though....
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:49:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage/Blind Guardian
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970305094800.8971A-100000@bdmserver>
Does anyone know what else is on the Savatage One Child import single?
I was just at cdconnection.com and they have around 7 Blind Guardian
titles. I am not sure if they are all from the same blind guardian or
not. since there has been some BG discussion I thought some might be
interested.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 14:45:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New stuff...
Message-ID: <199703051458.GAA28649@odin.ax.com>
Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org> wrote:
<intro snipped>
> I kind of felt the same way about the new Rush album. Up until
>TfE, I thought that band could do no wrong, and that everything they
>released would be slick. When TfE was released, I was so disappointed
>(on top of that shit they pulled with Working Man), that I dont really
>get anything out of Rush's music anymore. Its sad, but like MAddy said,
>when a band's 'experiment' turns out music that all sounds the same, I
>feel like they're running in circles, and Im turning away. Thus, instead
>of paying attention to the music that we all know they should be making,
>they have chosen to become Status Seekers.:)
This is the attitude that makes musicians homeless. Whenever a band makes a
change to their sound, all of their so-called fans go running around
screaming their heads off saying "I can't believe how much this sucks. .
.yadda, yadda", and sometimes won't even give it a second listen. Chris, I
am in no way attacking you, because I felt the same way you did about TfE
when I first heard it, but I have been a Rush fan for over 15 years, and I
knew I could find something about it that I did like. You are right in one
respect, Rush is *not* writing music *we* all know they should be making.
They never have, and I hope they continue to write music that makes *them*
happy.
Scott Holthausen
"I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the
ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and
become his chief of staff."
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Aleister Crowley (1875-1947)
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 09:50:19 -0600
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Open minds unite.....
Message-ID: <199703051550.AA29911@interlock.amoco.com>
For all of you (and I know there's good number) who do nothing but
deride music that's not some sort of rock or classical, check out
"Rhyme & Reason," a new documentary on the roots and lifeline of rap.
Greg Kot (of the Chicago Tribune) reviewed the movie and said it was
amazing, "treating hip-hop not as a monolith but as a vibrant,
conflicted and often contradictory collection of voices....Often
portrayed as one-dimensional caricatures, here they are revealed as
multi-faceted human beings.
I usually agree with what Kot writes. He's a very balanced music
critic. He finished his stroy by saying "And to those who hold the
music at arm's length, here's a reason to start paying attention."
Knowledge is power.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:50:55 -0800 (PST)
From: " Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: drum triggers
Message-ID: <199703051550.HAA19166@f11.hotmail.com>
Michael C. writes:
>though. I guess it's "not the best thing" to amplify or manipulate sound from
>instuments of Rock now? Why should the drum evolution stop at with just a
>microphone on the drum. If guitarists and keyboardists meddle with their
sound
>why not drums? A few on the list have expressed their dissaproval of the drum
trigger
>issue, I believe most of these people are jumping on the bandwagon. Well Mike
P.
>said it so it must be so.
Triggers are a great idea which needs to wait for technology to catch
up. They cannot capture all of the dynamics of the drummer. Just
listen to IAW. All of the snare hits sound exactly the same. Portnoy
has said that even notes he meant to be ghost (or grace) notes came
out the same volume as the normal hits (he was referring to the middle
of Metropolis specificially). My opinion on triggers is not based on
his word as gospel; I just happen to agree with him as a fellow
drummer. I don't see how a drummer interested in using dynamics in
their playing would even consider using triggers right now. Maybe in
10-20 years when they develop very sensitive drum pads.
>Hmmmmm. Maturity - I would bet I've played drums longer than you have been on
this earth.
Are you a betting man, Mike? :)
Ken
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
"Give me a conflict, give me a war/
Just give me something worth fighting for"
-Kevin Gilbert, "Shadow Self", Thud
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:56:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New stuff...
Message-ID: <199703051555.HAA29123@odin.ax.com>
> OK, are you talking about that song by (you know, that band?), who
> wrote the song, "Whip it?" The guys that wore the fire hydrants or
> whatever on their heads? Who was that... I know it. My mom's got
> it in her 80s collection... I dunno if that's the song I was
<cut here....>
DEVO!!!!!! heh, fire hydrants! that's funny - they were
definitely one tripped-out group......didn't they also
where those huge suits with the big big shoulder thingies?
or was that Talking Heads......aaaah, just ignore me, I'm
in a daze - going to see Private Parts in T-minus 36 hours!
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%------------------------------
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:04:30 -0500 (EST) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2317 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970305110336.5554A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
I have a Tyketto album...It is called Easy Come Easy Go I think....but I will have to check on that if anyone is interested in it..I haven't listen to it in a while.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:11:36 -0600 (CST) From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP! Message-ID: <199703051611.KAA08850@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com>
>Back in the old days England used to tax the wealthiest citizens a >tax rate of 95%!!!! I shit you not; 95%. But the USA sucks, right >Graham? ;)
Yes! The USA sucks in this respect. Who is the ignorant person who wrote this? I don't want to know. I'm embarassed for you guy. We in the USA are taxed many times more that we were when we decided to leave England and build the USA and have "no taxation without respresentation". Sneak up on a history book. How much tax did you pay last year out of your salary? - a rhetorical question. A 35% tax rate... I guess you don't mind devoting more than a quarter or a third of your time working for people who can't say no to a balance budget and throw good money after bad. Are you still living with your parents?????
WAKE UP!!!
Michael C.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New stuff... Message-ID: <199703051613.IAA29271@odin.ax.com>
> Not really. Christ is a hell of a player.
I surprised D-man or Bafu (where are you?) didn't jump on this.....
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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