YTSEJAM Digest 2321
Today's Topics:
1) Heard Hear In the Now Frontier...
by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
2) Funny you should say that
by EricD91011@aol.com
3) Kiss the stone
by curth@execpc.com
4) Kevin Gilbert?
by MTeiper@aol.com
5) wanderings
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
6) Those crazee Minnesooooootans.
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2320
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
8) Ruggedcross
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
9) The Dakota Debate
by Matt Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
10) Re: New Ryche
by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
11) Re: lords of sound
by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
12) winger
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
13) Bad news about Vanden Plas (NDTC)
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
14) Help !! Dutch jammers !!
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
15) Re: COMPLETE EURO DATES!
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
16) help with tickets (Re: COMPLETE EURO DATES!
by Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
17) Re: Winger
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
18) Collective Soul
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
19) Winger
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:49:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Heard Hear In the Now Frontier...
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.95c.970305193845.23868A-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
..and I have mixed feelings. Being one of those people who
like Promised Land a hell of a lot more than O:M or Rage for
Order I figured I'd fall in love with this album. Yesterday,
Scott Rockenfield, Geoff Tate, and Chris De Garmo did an
exclusive radio-promo thing here in Seattle and they played
several songs from the new album. Sonically, the sound is a bit
more raw than PL and smoother than O:M -- a balance that I quite
liked.
The songs themselves had real interesting _parts_ and some neat grooves
here and there, but overall...they didn't do too much for me. The
solos were all really cool, and, since ny radio sucks a big fat
one, I couldn't really hear Geoff well enough to make out
any lyrics. I can say that he didn't hit a single high note out
of the six songs that they played, all lower register. I don't
know if the rest of the album is this way.
I did get the feeling that this is something that would grow
on me like Promised Land did, but first impressions from my
end give it 2 and 1/2 stars.
I should have taped it so I could hear the stuff again and write
something more tangible. Blah.
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
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The universe divided as the Heart and Mind collided : At
paranoia's poison door : The pen won't stay the Demon's wings :
The Weaver and the Web that he made : The youngest of the
family is moving with authority : Willing to risk salvation
to escape from isolation : You've drowned in your soul's
emptiness : Bus stop rat bag haha charade you are : Knights
of the Green Shield stamp and shout : Searching for the
answers but there's D A M A G E
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:54:52 -0500 (EST)
From: EricD91011@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Funny you should say that
Message-ID: <970305225450_-1238758926@emout02.mail.aol.com>
"I was thinking about Derek's side projects. What do you want Derek to do
when Mike and John P are out doing clinics? Hey if he wants to make some
extra money, what is wrong with that? I dont think DT is racking up that
much money..."
Interesting you say that because Derek is now doing clinics himself. I know
he is doing one April 3 in St. Louis and one other one I can't remember. I
gues he was broke, poor guy. Take the time.
-Eric
"Got to have a subplot when I sell them my life story" - Kevin Moore
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:57:43 -0600 (CST)
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kiss the stone
Message-ID: <199703060357.VAA15436@mail.execpc.com>
>not too rare at all actually, its done by a company called kiss the stone,
>and they have a web page, which you can order this and a few others (mind
>control and dream out loud) from.
They usually put out decent stuff, but the one (highly) annoying thing I've
noticed with the CDs I have from them (Dream Out Loud, Lords of Sound and
Rush's Run From the Fans) was that all 3 were mastered at a slower speed which
drives me insane!! I can't stand it - hope they got it together when they did
Mind Control (which I don't have).
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:28:22 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Gilbert?
Message-ID: <970305231008_-1004177899@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Hey Dream-Duderz -
Wassap? Just a quick question to yez this time 'round. I was just wondering
what really happened to Kevin Gilbert? I just joined the 'Jam after the Fix
gigs, and I think he died before then. I'm sure there was a lot on the Jam
about it at the time of his passing. I read about it in the DTIFC Fanzine,
but they really didn't go into the details of how he died. They mentioned
"tragically", if I remember correctly, and then someone made a reference in
the last 'Jam to the effect of him searching for his kicks, or something like
that. What's the scoop? Jus' wonderin'... BTW, today'z totally jammin' CD
iz... "Wrath Of God"! Thank you M.B.!!! Laterz... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:51:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: wanderings
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970305234712.19841A-100000@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> Jeff E.
> You're right, WRIF are a bunch of hypocritical bastards
yeah, but they do play mandatory metallica every night, and it's usally
older or live stuff.....anyway, good to know the jam isn't totally bereft
of a michigan presence.........when did you ltu types get on this ship?
> OK, are you talking about that song by (you know, that band?), who
> wrote the song, "Whip it?" The guys that wore the fire hydrants or
> whatever on their heads? Who was that... I know it. My mom's got
> it in her 80s collection... I dunno if that's the song I was
DEVO! I got that song on a seven-inch single......kewl stuff, funny as
hell........
another thoroughly useless post, brought to you by the minds at......
partha
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:57:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Those crazee Minnesooooootans.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970305232910.21350A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> YTSEJAM Digest 2320
>
> From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: Minnesota
>
> You must not get away from the city much. In the NW part of the state, MANY
> people talk like that.
>
Hmph. I've been up in the NW of the state on fishing trips.
Where I've been, I've never heard any of the younger generation talk like
that. BTW, You can't tell me that you've heard people from Le Center (you
DO know where LeCenter is, don't you?) talk like that? Or Brooklyn
Park? Or Wayzata? Some of the movie has people from there, and they
seem to have the same stereotypical accent like everyone else...
I'll give you that some of the accent is similar. My
O's are elongated,(Minnesooooooota) but not that terrible, and I say "Ya" a
little, but not to the artform that the movie portrays it to be.
> > to a place where I could pursue my career. MN is quieter, cleaner, the
> > people are a lot nicer, and we have more blondes out there :).
>
> Minnesota Nice is bullshit. It's just Minnesota Phony - I'll take real people
> over faked chumminess any day of the week.
You must not get out of the city much, because The SW corner of
the state has some of the friendliest people I know. Which, conveniently,
is where I'm from. They must all turn to trolls or somethin' when I'm gone.
But the Minnesota Blondes? Ay Caramba!
> ------------------------------
> From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: oh, jeez... *shouldn't that be Uff da?*
*Snip*
>
> > But in the movie Fargo, the accents are crap, hailing from
> > Minnesota, I can tell you that the only people *I* know who talk like
> > that are my Grandmother and my Great Uncle.
>
> Oh, that's what they ALL say. :) <I know. The accents ARE exagerrated.
> But, aren't they a HOOT?>
Yeah, I really dig the accents *really!*. Hell, I saw it for the
first time at MIT, and the movie IS great, but watching it with all the
MITers really made made the movie funny for me. Especially hearing everyone
*LAUGH* during the Wood Chipper scene.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Two more fans!!
*great story by Wacky about meeting people at BU deleted because I have
taken up way too much space as it is.*
You know, I wish just one of my students liked DT. Just one. My life
would be so much easier. Hmm... maybe I'll make an assignment to listen
to DT, and write a one page paper on what it means for them.... *hmmmmmm*.
*whew* And now back to your regularly scheduled DT Content.
ObDT: I love it, go to a Metallica Concert, you find DT fans. Wore the
Fix For '96 shirt, and had at least 5 people come up to me before and
after the show telling me how cool the band was, and how they'd seen them
here, or there, or such thing. Dream Theater, it makes the world go
'round. I just hope they don't get too famous, and have to play in big
informal places like the Fleet Center, and such.
-jeremy
The Norwegian Minnesotan who somehow
ended up in Boston.
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# Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. #
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:02:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2320
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970305235308.47862A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> You are not alone, my friend. My curiosity begs the question: what
> happened to all these guys? Taylor, Beach, and Kip? I know what Rod's
> been up to with Jordan Rudess, but not the other guys. Where did Paul
> Taylor go after In the Heart of the Young? I thought Pull was still
> okay without him though... Any info would be appreciated from any
> jammers. I kind of feel that Winger was getting to the prog stages before
> they disappeared.
Kip's got a solo album that came out just yesterday (March 4) on Domo
Records called "This Conversation Feels Like A Dream." It's been out for
a while in Japan, but now it has finally seen the light of day in the
US. Also, Kip's wife died in a car accident. Rod plays drums on most of
the tracks. The music as a whole is supposed to be more adult
contemporary. I'll probably pick it up when I buy Aerosmith's new one on
March 18. As for Paul Taylor and Reb Beach, both have recently been
touring in Alice Cooper's band (so there's a little DT content). I think
Reb either has a solo CD out in Japan or is currently working on one.
Personally, I was never that big of a Winger fan. They were the type of
band that had a couple good songs on each album. As for Pull, the only
song I really liked was "Down Incognito."
> Tyketto...didn't their singer use to be in Waysted?
>
Very good. I've never heard their stuff, but I heard it was pretty good.
Wow. Like I said, never underestimate the jam.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:06:59 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ruggedcross
Message-ID: <199703060514.XAA06722@Walden.MO.NET>
If it's the same Ruggedcross I dealt with, they're cool. I got
Saviour Machine's new one, demo re-release, and their video for a
straight up trade of some old CDs I had here. Everything got here
promptly, and in good condition, etc. I'd give them a good rating,
but I've only dealt with them once.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 23:11:50 -0600
From: Matt Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Dakota Debate
Message-ID: <331E5216.3864@aero.und.edu>
Regarding North Dakota:
> It's low rent because no one wants to live there.
I think you forgot to tell the nearly one million people who do live
there.
> >Maybe you just don't apperciate the more subtle pleasures of life
>
> Like watching grass grow, having sex with farm animals or marrying
> my sister? No, I don't enjoy those things very much.
I'm convinced that the only people who say crap like this are the ones
who actually have desires for such relationships (or are involved in
such relationships). Better check you Uncle Dad's blood line, your
family tree just may be without limbs.
> The Wheather didn't bother me much. It's amazing what you can put up
> with when you have no choice.
No choice?? Someone hold a gun to your head? Please spare me the stories
of family ties or work/school responsibilities. If you didn't like it
you should have left sooner. BTW, it's spelled WEATHER, not WHEATER
(your spelling isn't even an english word).
> When I lived there ND had a law where nothing could open Sundaysexcept
> for gas stations, restaurants and food stores. People didn't want stores
> open because Sunday was the sabbath. But when you reminded them that the
> people at the restaurants they went to after church were working they
> would say "Well, that's *different*. Of course it was, because the people
> were waiting on them. Hipocrits.
Obviously, its been a while since you've been here. Those laws were
dropped years ago. Besides at some point, those same laws have existed
in every state. I suppose your sanctified part of the country has no
hypocrites (check your spelling again). Everyone there lives in perfect
peace and harmony, right? Where do you live? The state of Utopia?
> Watch the movie Fargo sometime. It mostly
> takes place in Brainerd, but it holds true for anywhere in the rural midwest.
WHOA! It's not bad enough you have to rip on ND, but then you really
step off the deep end and just stereotype everyone in the rural
mid-west!! The midwestern jammers may have just found a new person to
loathe. TAG - you're it!
Matt B. says:
I still wish I was a quarterback.
Don't we all. Rank has it's privileges.
Hey, did someone say Ytsejam? I thought this was the DakotaJam. Sorry.
~Matt
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:51:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Ryche
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970305235001.23273B-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>
I heard the song today and the chorus sounds like a Lillian Axe song off
of Poetic Justice. Has anyone else (those of you that have heard of
Lillian Axe) noticed this? Maybe it's just me. Later.
Ed
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/larr.html
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On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, LaSorsa/Matthews wrote:
> Hi there!
> I just downloaded the sound clip of Sign of the Times. I didn't think it
> sounded bad at all. I hope that the album is a bit heavier, but the
> melodies on that clip were great. I'm going to get the album anyways, as
> are most of you. But, just my $.02 that the song sounded pretty damn cool.
> That is all.
> Tony
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:56:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: lords of sound
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970305235608.23273D-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>
> control and dream out loud) from. http://www.kts.it/ they really do a good
> job on their stuff, i'd rather buy from them than some shitty company that
> couldnt care less about the outcome of the project and just wants the quick
> cash from real fans. if you want a boot, this is where to start :)
I agree. They do their reseach on the bios and stuff too.
Ed
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/larr.html
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 00:07:23 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: winger
Message-ID: <199703060807.AAA00145@ms.kallback.com>
IMO the first two rock, but Pull and Kip's new solo do not.
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 11:06:43 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bad news about Vanden Plas (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970306100643.006c24dc@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!!
Just wanted to tell all of you guys who know the band
Vanden Plas that there is a big bullshit going on...
Stephan Lill, the guitar player of VP, bought Petrucci's
home video and practiced that much, that he hurt his arms!
He isn't even able to hold a glass in his hands at the moment.
There is a rumor going 'round that he won't be able
to play guitar anymore!! I really hope that this rumor
doesn't turn into truth! This is even worse because
VP just started the recordings of their next album.
Maybe they should add a sign to Petrucci's video like
"Don't try too hard, you won't be able to do that..."
or something. :))
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:11:07 -0500
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Help !! Dutch jammers !!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970306141107Z-80@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
I have decided to go to NL !! I would greatly appreciate it if a Dutch
jammer would be willing to get me a ticket for the show at the Melkweg
in Amsterdam. I have heard that they will go on sale 3-7-97 and that
they will sell out quickly.
Please e-mail me privately. THANKS !!
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:53:04 +0000
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: COMPLETE EURO DATES!
Message-ID: <+6tHABAQptHzEw5Y@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <199703051219_MC2-1224-83B3@compuserve.com>, Neil
Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com> writes
>Just got off the phone with New York, and here is the complete itinery of
>the mini Euro-tour in April:
>
>Sat. Apr 12 - Palalido, Milan, Italy
>Mon Apr. 14 - Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland
>Tue. Apr. 15 & Wed. Apr. 16 - Noorderlight, Tilburg, Holland
>
>And that is it, no others are scheduled as yet, and seems unlikely at
>present.
What! no UK gigs ....... Neil, get back on the phone quick i want a
gig in Newcastle and i don't want any excuses (like, Newcastle?
where's that? , it costs too much, i don't like the food etc etc.........)
-- Gary Cleghorn Mmmmmm... donuts whoo-hoo------------------------------
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:59:39 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: help with tickets (Re: COMPLETE EURO DATES! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306085526.4678A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Neil Elliott wrote:
> Sat. Apr 12 - Palalido, Milan, Italy > Mon Apr. 14 - Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland
Are there any european jammers that can score me tickets? i'll be in amsterdam next week to pay for and collect the ticket for the melkweg show, and i'm planning on going to milan expressly for the show there, soi'd pay for it then. At the very least, can i call the venues myself for tickets? Any help would be appreciated.
Keith Aspinall
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:24:55 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Winger Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306101906.2486C-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
> > But then, I still like Winger. > > You are not alone, my friend. My curiosity begs the question: what > happened to all these guys? Taylor, Beach, and Kip? I know what Rod's > been up to with Jordan Rudess, but not the other guys. Where did Paul > Taylor go after In the Heart of the Young? I thought Pull was still > okay without him though... Any info would be appreciated from any > jammers. I kind of feel that Winger was getting to the prog stages before > they disappeared.
I have a Metal Edge magazine where I think it says something about Kip having a solo album out shortly. It will be dedicated to the memory of his wife and I think the profits will benefit a charity in her name.
***Rob*** rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 11:59 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Collective Soul Message-ID: <m0w2gW7-000FM7C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
I hate to say it but I'm a little hesitant to try out the new Collective Soul album. I think (and I may be the only one) that their last album sucked big time. I liked Hints, Allegations And Things Left Unsaid though. As for the U2 influences, that scares me even more. I might check it out but I hope it sounds nothing like the last album.
Don Compton mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Winger Message-ID: <199703061724.MAA15084@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> You are not alone, my friend. My curiosity begs the question: what > happened to all these guys? Taylor, Beach, and Kip? I know what Rod's > been up to with Jordan Rudess, but not the other guys. Where did Paul > Taylor go after In the Heart of the Young? I thought Pull was still > okay without him though... Any info would be appreciated from any > jammers. I kind of feel that Winger was getting to the prog stages before > they disappeared.
Did anyone hear that Kip's longtime wife, Beatrice, died recently in a car accident? I just accidentally read it in Metal Edge. When did this happen? <The article didn't go into detail.> It did say however that Winger <at least, Kip> would have a release out "soon" and the some of the proceeds would be donated, in his wife's name, to a charity that helps runaways.
Yeah, I thought Pull was really good.
DT:
I was driving our rehearsal accompanist for opera this semester back up to Peabody yesterday and I was listening to Awake <Innocence Faded/ Erotomania> and she asked, "who is this?" and I told her and she said that she doesn't like that kind of music, but that she liked what she heard. She's a doctoral student in piano at Peabody conservatory.
Pretty cool...
Steve Z
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