YTSEJAM Digest 2322
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Re: New Albums from Fave Bands...
by Dreaded Rear Admiral <bd90988@binghamton.edu>
2) Winger Update
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
3) Any Italian jammers?
by Steve Burton <perix@cyberg.it>
4) Re: Kevin Gilbert
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@staff.cerf.net>
5) YJ content
by LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
6) Fantasy Baseball League
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) Re: California Guitar Trio
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
8) Derek Clinic?
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
9) Re: Bad news about Vanden Plas (NDTC)
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
10) Local TV rocks/take it easy on me now
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
11) Colonel Tide...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
12) Lillian Axe/Queensryche
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
13) Minnesota
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
14) Derek
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
15) Re: Winger
by "Kinstrey, Michael A (CRD)" <kinstrey@exc01crdge.crd.ge.com>
16) Re: Kevin Gilbert?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
17) Collective Soul, movies
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:39:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dreaded Rear Admiral <bd90988@binghamton.edu>
To: "Jam? We don't need no stinkin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Re: New Albums from Fave Bands...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.L3.93.970306123054.5473A-100000@bingsun2>
In regards to the reply from eckie@asu.edu, how dare you compare Master of
Puppets to Load and the Black Album? Both those albums were crap. LOAD
has absolutely no musical integrity and the black album contains no real
amount of balls and chunk. Both of those albums are just commercial
sellouts designed to produce radio-friendly songs that would yield them
the most profits. i think if Metallica continues to go in this direction
they will soon have to be called Poison. Al least Dream Theater continues
to put out great music no matter what.
The Admiral has spoken!
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:41:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Winger Update
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306112924.20447A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
For all those interested (however many that may be):
I read over the article in Metal Edge where it states, "Those who
have preconceived notions of Kip Winger will have them shattered with one
listen to his CD This Conversation Seems Like A Dream, due out Mar. 4."
Whoa - it's already out! Anyway, it goes on to say, "The music is
complex jazz-rock in an orchestral, atmospheric context, but with some
great melodic vocals, searing guitar by Andy Timmons, and compelling drum
rhythms by Winger bandmate Rod Morgenstein. Kip, who'll be in a video
for the ballad "How Far Will We Go," tragically lost his wife Beatrice in
a car accident a few months ago, but the album, dedicated to her memory
(in its second printing), is also a tribute to her talent as a backup
singer and a designer (she worked on the packaging). Kip plans to tour
Hard Rock Cafes across the country and donate part of the proceeds in
Beatrice's name to help runaway teens and the homeless."
Tour in Hard Rock Cafes? Has this been done before? The album
sounds interesting though. Anyone get it yet? Maybe I will if I can
find it.
Sorry for the lack of DT material.
***Rob***
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 13:41:41 +0100
From: Steve Burton <perix@cyberg.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Any Italian jammers?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970306134141.00687f2c@mail.cyberg.it>
Are there any italian jammers?
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:59:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@staff.cerf.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Kevin Gilbert
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.970306095349.18793A-100000@staff.cerf.net>
Kevin was a friend of mine. He was one of the most gifted musicians I've
known.. but he was a bit strange at the same time. While his death was
tragic, the way in which he died was not outrageous for him..
He died as a result of autoerotic asphyxiation. He had a leather strap
around his neck, attached to the headboard of his bed, wearing a black
skirt, and a black hood over his head.
I hadn't spoken with Kevin much after the blow-up with him and Sheryl Crow
as he became kind of a recluse in the music world.. I was really happy to
hear he was going to be involved in the new DT stuff, but alas.. it was
not to be..
He will be missed.. Kinda ironic though.. running through my CD changer..
I came upon one of his CD's.. and during a random shuffle.. it played
"Song for a dead friend".. hmm.. Ironic. and sad..
-Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:13:10 -0500 (EST)
From: LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YJ content
Message-ID: <199703061813.NAA15999@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hello there!
OH my, what new threads will we have next? At least with the Vince/Jazz
issue, it was about music. With this its just North Dakota. zzz...
Enough already. Take it to private email. As far as Metallica not being
allowed on the list, fine. But, my god, why would you want to discuss Salt
n Peppa?!?!?!? Sounds sort of retarded. (IMO)
And since we're on the subject. Wherever the rest of you live, it
doesn't have anything on Stratham, NH!! HA HA HA HA!!!! :)
Tony
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:59:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fantasy Baseball League
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306135447.21365B-100000@bdmserver>
Any Fantasy Baseball players out there?
I am in ESPN's fantasy baseball game. I have created a group(league)
called Dream Theater Fans. Anyone who wants to play can join up. I think
it is $29.95 for first timers and $19.95 for those who have an
espnet.sportszone account.
The link is:
http://games-espnet.sportszone.com/cgi/flb/request.dll?FRONTPAGE
I've played their Fantasy Football and am playing their Fantasy
Basketball game and once the season gets going it is a lot of fun. They
keep track of all the stats etc...
All transactions are free after the intial startup fee. You have until
Mar 28 to get your team in order...
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:00:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio
Message-ID: <199703061900.NAA13442@parka.winternet.com>
>
>> Does anyone know anything about the California Guitar Trio? How good are
>> these guys? types of music, do they play with drummer/bass or just guitars,
> > musical styles, where to find their discs..
>
I saw them open for King Crimson. I was amazed by thier performance. They
were a fitting opening act for King Crimson. Most KC fast enjoyed
thier set. I haven't picked up any of their CDs yet, someday though.
nathan bradley
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:08:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek Clinic?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970306130617.11497A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Someone in the last jam said:
>Interesting you say that because Derek is now doing clinics himself. I
>know he is doing one April 3 in St. Louis and one other one I can't
>remember. I gues he was broke, poor guy. Take the time.=20
Are you sure about this? I know that JP is doing a clinic at McMurray
Music in StLouis on that day. Do you have the two confused? It seems odd
that Derek would be doing a clinic in the same city on the same day unless
he was doing rounds with JP...
=20
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:32:17 +0100 (MET)
From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bad news about Vanden Plas (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199703061932.UAA04581@mb01.swip.net>
At 02.08 1997-03-06 -0800, Bernd wrote:
>Hi!!
>
>Just wanted to tell all of you guys who know the band
>Vanden Plas that there is a big bullshit going on...
>
>Stephan Lill, the guitar player of VP, bought Petrucci's
>home video and practiced that much, that he hurt his arms!
>He isn't even able to hold a glass in his hands at the moment.
You know that happened to a friend of mine a few years back, he got an
infection in his elbow, and had his had almost paralysed (sp?). The docotr
gave him anti-biotics, and six weeks later he could play again...
Btw, if any europen jammer has the japanese ppv video in PAL format, I'm
very interested in a trade, let me know, ok?
Take care!
- Mika Numminen - aarre.n@swipnet.se - http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne -
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 19:33:06 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Local TV rocks/take it easy on me now
Message-ID: <331F1BF2.1CFB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
I just happened to flip on Channel 68 Sports Night (local TV sports
call-in show) and they're scrolling the day's college/pro scores. Got a
nice surprise to hear AC/DC in the background (or would that be the
foreground?). Funny to hear "You, shook me all night long" as the hockey
scores are going by :) And this is on UHF. Screw cable!! I think I'll
give the station a call and suggest a few other things.
Perhaps the AM radio market is a niche to be penetrated by prog rock...
Screw stereo :) (Who's old enough to remember the attempt at
AM/Stereo?)
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> From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
> Chris [Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org>], I
> am in no way attacking you, because I felt the same way you did about TfE
> when I first heard it, but I have been a Rush fan for over 15 years, and I
> knew I could find something about it that I did like. You are right in one
> respect, Rush is *not* writing music *we* all know they should be making.
> They never have, and I hope they continue to write music that makes *them*
> happy.
I tend to approach the new stuff in a similar way. There's sure to be a
*sound* on there somewhere that I need to hear. It is very fulfilling
when it arrives. As someone who has listened to Rush for a little over
20 years, I can honestly say that I've also found something to enjoy all
along the way. For example, I happen to think The Color of Right is an
excellent song. The music isn't necessarily the most progressive song
that they have ever done in their lifetime, but *I* don't need it to be.
I imagine others can identify with the message in the lyrics and can
relate it directly to some experience in their lives. For me, it's the
combination of that and the feeling the sounds produce that make it such
a powerful song...
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> From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu
> MN is quieter, cleaner, the people are a lot nicer
But, but, you said you liked me, Jeremy.....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :(
> and we have more blondes out there :).
Billerica has several farms where they actually grow them ;)
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> if you aren't sure how to spell a word, don't use it.
> If you really want to use it, look it up first.
Know :)
You're not a snob, though. Just conveying your opinion, like the other
person did. I understood them both as I'm sure many others did.
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> From: George Kirk <kirk1740@mach1.wlu.ca>
> I think bands should remain true to their sound and style, yet try to push
> the limits a bit. In a lot of cases, many bands can't do it successfully.
I think it was Buster a while back who talked about the fact that
musicians are human. It's incredibly tough for most bands to continue to
follow up great album after great album. Many bands' first few albums
are their best. Aerosmith and Zep are two examples that immediately come
to mind. Nothing really horribly wrong with their later stuff. Their
first few were the ballz, though.
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> and impale my head on JP's guitar.....
one of the best seats in the house :)
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> From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
> ATTENTION European Jammers!!!! First person to fly me out there for the
> shows gets a free guitar! :) What a deal, eh?
Wonder how many frequent flyer miles I have :)
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:02:30 -0800
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Colonel Tide...
Message-ID: <199703062002.MAA17187@main.cfmc.com>
Taking up a couple points of Mr. Ptacek's:
> Well, it's cool to touch on topics outside of Dream Theater and
>Prog... but not to make a lasting dominating thread about them. The last
>couple jams have been all Metallica content, mostly fucknuts that are so
>insecure that they feel they have to defend their beliefs that Metallica
>rules. Most of the jam doesn't care about Metallica.
Really? Is that so? Seems like Metallica keeps coming up as a thread. I
don't think Metallica is particularly progressive ("...And Justice For All"
isn't far off, in my opinion, though, and the Brad Tolinski (?) line about
"Yes on steroids" actually seems somewhat accurate to me), but they
certainly have an aggressive element to their music, as does Dream Theater.
They don't seem miles and miles apart, to be sure. Anyhow, I like
Metallica. A lot. Think "Load" is a good record, even. But everyone
pretty much knows how I feel about the subject at this point -- at least
anyone who gives a rat's ass.
> In the signup letter it is expressed that content outside of Dream
>Theater while in the same genre (I.E. Fates Warning, Shadow Gallery,
>etc...) is perfectly valid for discussion. It's also expressed that when
>a thread goes out of control, the list admin will step in and let us know.
>I believe he did that a while back. I just want to remind people that
>this is not a Metallica list, and that there are people replying to other
>metallica fan's comments, when that should be done over private e mail.
A related query: Is the defining element of Dream Theater their progressive
tendencies or their aggressive tendencies? It seems to me that the
combination of the two is what makes for the uniqueness of the band. So Yes
would be as out of line in discussion here as Metallica, methinks. In any
event, I think both of them valid, and as long as the universe of this
mailing list orbits around our Beloved Band.
> If you buy an album, you don't have the responsibility to like it.
>If you really care about that band, as in your case, you can learn to find
>things you do like, and eventually dig the whole album. This is something
>I do frequently. However it is NOT the responsibility of the fans to like
>a band's new sound. I was not interested in Rush after hearing the new
>album. I thought the lyrics were below what I'd come to expect. It is
>not my job to accept that and support the band. That sort of approach
>seems rather mindless. If you want to give an album a second chance,
>great. You're doing more for a band than most people would. But don't
>ever feel like you owe the band your time, or that you HAVE to find
>something you like in the music. That's one way that bands sell out...
>their fans believe they can do no wrong, and then they pull a money grab
>with a new commercially acceptable sound. If you actively listen and the
>music STILL does not appeal (this is often the case with an off key
>vocalist or bad lyrics) then just let it go. You can be a fan of a band
>without liking every album.
Your argument here is strong, except for the fact that you refer to "selling
out," something I think bands actually do fairly rarely. Some erroneously
pointed fingers -- Metallica, Rush, Yes, Tull, Bad Religion, Pink Floyd,
Queensryche, and, again, out Beloved Band. It DOES happen...but I DON'T
think it happens nearly as often as people would suggest...
> If a band can continue to make music that makes them happy
>MUSICALLY, then the vibe they create will keep their fans listening. If
>they write music to make themselves financially happy, they don't usually
>keep that same energy.
> To conclude, I am glad you like T4E. No sarcasm. But I found it
>flawed irreconcilably, and I don't think there's anything wrong with not
>buying the album AND STILL calling myself a Rush fan.
Nor do I, but I'm not going to agree with your assessment of the album
either. I'd put it in the middle of the Rush canon, not as low as "Caress
of Steel," but not as high as "Hemispheres."
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: A Farewell To Kings
2. Iron Maiden: The X Factor
3. Ivanhoe: Symbols of Time
4. Soundgarden: Down On The Upside
5. Live: Secret Samadhi
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 15:36 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lillian Axe/Queensryche
Message-ID: <m0w2jta-000AwFC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Yeah, I have to agree that the new Queensryche song SOTT does sound a little
reminiscent of something off Lillian Axe's Poetic Justice although, I think
SOTT sounds a little more grungy- more like something off Psychoschitzophrenia.
Also, going to be hopefully getting a Queensryche bootleg called Silent
Lucidity- Unplugged. Does anyone know anything about this disc?
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 14:38:28 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Minnesota
Message-ID: <331f2b4355f3129@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Hmph. I've been up in the NW of the state on fishing trips.
> Where I've been, I've never heard any of the younger generation talk like
> that.
Um...in the movie Fargo, the people who talk like that are at least 40s. Nobody
said anything about the younger generation.
> You must not get out of the city much,
I spend QUITE a bit of time out of the city.
> because The SW corner of
> the state has some of the friendliest people I know.
That's the only part of the state I haven't spent time in - maybe it's the
exception (of course, *all* fake Minnesotans claim to be nice).
> But the Minnesota Blondes?
Overrated bimbos - this state has the shallowest people I've ever met, male and
female. Reminds me of somebody's comment recently about the cheerleader giving
the quarterback head...
Anyway....
-Brian
"The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:43:53 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek
Message-ID: <199703062051.OAA06485@Walden.MO.NET>
>Interesting you say that because Derekis now doign clinics himself.
>I know he is doing one April 3 in St. Louis...
Serious? I know Petrucci is doing one that day, but didn't hear
anything about Derek. It'd be cool to see the two together.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:35:57 -0500
From: "Kinstrey, Michael A (CRD)" <kinstrey@exc01crdge.crd.ge.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Winger
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=EXC01CRDGE-970306203557Z-59970@exc01crdge.crd.ge.com>
My latest issue of Guitar For The Practicing Musician has a half-page
article
on Reb Beach. He's been doing studio work in Nashville playing country
music.
He said that country music has become a lot like 80's rock, and that
they love
tapping. I got the impression he found a niche where he could continue
to do
what he does best, and it pays the bills. Before Winger, he did a lot of
studio
work anyway.
He also mentions he'd rather be in a band again.
Mike Kinstrey kinstrey@crd.ge.com
GE Corp. R&D (518) 387-4084
P.O. Box 8, Rm KW-C277
Schenectady, NY 12301 Eng. & Mfg. WWW:
http://ce-toolkit.crd.ge.com
"No one can hear when you're Screaming in Digital" - Queensryche
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:43:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: MTeiper@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kevin Gilbert?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.970306154254.15331A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Wassap? Just a quick question to yez this time 'round. I was just wondering
> what really happened to Kevin Gilbert? I just joined the 'Jam after the Fix
> gigs, and I think he died before then. I'm sure there was a lot on the Jam
> about it at the time of his passing. I read about it in the DTIFC Fanzine,
> but they really didn't go into the details of how he died. They mentioned
> "tragically", if I remember correctly, and then someone made a reference in
> the last 'Jam to the effect of him searching for his kicks, or something like
> that. What's the scoop? Jus' wonderin'... BTW, today'z totally jammin' CD
he died masturbating with a noose.
he pulled too hard....on the noose.
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:49:43 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Collective Soul, movies
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703061540.A21722-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> Subject: Those crazee Minnesooooootans.
>
> Yeah, I really dig the accents *really!*. Hell, I saw it for the
> first time at MIT, and the movie IS great, but watching it with all the
> MITers really made made the movie funny for me. Especially hearing everyone
> *LAUGH* during the Wood Chipper scene.
I know what you mean. The first time I saw the movie "A Bronx Tale" was
very shortly after I had moved up here to VT. It was cool in the respect
that my new friends realized I wasn't the only one up here who speaks
like that, but they would still give me shit for it now and then. :)
----> From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> > Subject: Collective Soul > > I hate to say it but I'm a little hesitant to try out the new Collective > Soul album. I think (and I may be the only one) that their last album sucked > big time. I liked Hints, Allegations And Things Left Unsaid though. As for
I hadn't heard much of Collective Soul when I saw them live. I had sort of enjoyed what I had heard on the radio, but it still seemed really sterile and overproduced. Then I saw them open for VH. Yuck. They stank. The five of them (or was it 6?) just stood there and played and sang. The music was totally devoid of passion, and sounded about as hospital-white as it did on the radio. After two songs, I'd had enough, and I stopped paying attention.
Richie assures me that the new album is different. It'll take a lot to sway me.
> the U2 influences, that scares me even more. I might check it out but I hope
Well, that all depends on which U2 we're talking about - the rock band or the techno band.
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