YTSEJAM Digest 2324
Today's Topics:
1) Fire Garden
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
2) U2/Collective Soul
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
3) metropolis
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
4) Current DT tour
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
5) VERY important!!! NDTC
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
6) Story based on DT song and an info request
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
7) Now About The Milan Boot....
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
8) Re: Bernd's News
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
9) JP in St Louis?
by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
10) Re: whatever
by eckie@asu.edu
11) Kobra Records? DT Boot?
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Stuff
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
13) The truth about Dream Theater
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) Trade bootlegs
by Scott M Peters <sretep@iastate.edu>
15) New Complete Euro Dtaes
by Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
16) DT Clinics in StL. (No Metallica, Winger, or Minnesota Content)
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
17) Cover songs in MP3
by Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
18) European gigs... wot no UK?
by "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
19) stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:43:09 -0600 (CST)
From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fire Garden
Message-ID: <199703062343.RAA18502@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com>
>Anybody offer an opinion on Steve Vai's "Fire Garden"?
>
>My philosophy now is "listen, THEN buy"...I've been screwed too much in
>the last year to do otherwise.
>
>'jam on,
>
>George
BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!
If you follow your pholosophy and listen before you buy it, make sure you take a
good long listen to Bangkok, and Fire Garden Suite, they are 2 tracks, but it is
really like one song. BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!!!!!!!!
Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 17:10 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: U2/Collective Soul
Message-ID: <m0w2lNA-000FMEC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
The whole idea of CS sounding anything like U2 at any stage scares me. U2 is
one of those bands I don't give a damn about. If I hear Collective Soul
doing a Mysterious Ways type of song or anything like that, I'll say screw
it to the new album.
Don Compton
mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 18:47:02 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: metropolis
Message-ID: <01IG6XR9UIF600RFD0@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Who knows the significance of Metropolis? Is it based on the movie?
Just Wondering In Plattsburgh
Josh
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 18:54:54 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Current DT tour
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970306185454.009f3780@pophost.fore.com>
Forgive me for stepping in late, but what's going on with this apparent DT
tour? Why are they touring without an album out?
KAI
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:02:58 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VERY important!!! NDTC
Message-ID: <199703070002.RAA14450@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Sorry to be NDTC, but the list is the best format for my needs at
the moment.
Anyone from Rhode Island, Conneticut, Massachusette, or Vermont,
please, PLEASE get in touch with me ASAP. I have really big-time important
info for you. You need to get to Providence on Saturday... I'll explain
why. Obviously, due to time-sensitive nature of this, you'll want to get
back to me right away. Try calling me anytime tomorrow at 602-892-4761, or
leave me e-mail and I'll get back to it ASAP. I can't give any more
details about this now, but suffice it to say I'm also trying to get in
touch with management about this. I'd fly there myself if I could.
Take care all!!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:18:21 -0800 (PST)
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Story based on DT song and an info request
Message-ID: <199703070018.QAA20404@f9.hotmail.com>
I am currently writing a sci-fi fantasy story based on "Metropolis" and was
wondering if anyone would like to see it posted on the list.
Also, I am currently receiving the YTSEJAM digest and was wondering if there
was a way to just receive each individual post and not have them all clumped
together into one message.
Thanx!
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensr˙che-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:20:46 -0600 (CST)
From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Now About The Milan Boot....
Message-ID: <199703070020.SAA07684@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>
Dear Jammers:
Can some tell me what ditty DT plays on the Milan boot right after
OAMOT? Sounds like some Fusion/Jazz number that maybe someone else
wrote. On this boot there is another piece that I can't identify
either, it's also Jazz/Fusion oriented, but I can't recall exactly
where it is on the CD. I know "mission impossible" so don't try to get
out of this so easy. :)
Thank You Ladies and Gentlemen,
Michael c.
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:38:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bernd's News
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970306193540.385B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
I know what that guy must feel like. I always have to check myself when
practicing 'cuz i want it all right then. It took me a year, though, to
get JP's stretches and chromatic exercises up to speed. I could
definitely see myself hurting if I had rushed.
You know what's terrible (guitarists)? I've started jazz lessons
with a classical teacher and found out my hand position has been too
sloppy from the beginning! Not on the tips enough. Gotta start from
scratch. Shit! Be well.
Matt B
====================
"You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The
Great Muppet Movie)
"Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime,
Transformers the Movie)
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:01:30 -0500
From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP in St Louis?
Message-ID: <199703070101.UAA13663@inx>
I am from close to St. Louis(about 2 hours away) and just saw the
post about JP being there for a clinic. If anyone knows anything about this
please let me know. I would also like to thank Eric for dubbing me a copy
of the toads show...it is really great to hear some new material and the
recording is actually pretty good. Thanks in advance.
Corey
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 18:44:50 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: whatever
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306183326.20876A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> > In regards to the reply from eckie@asu.edu, how dare you compare Master of
> > Puppets to Load and the Black Album? Both those albums were crap.
Which ones were crap? Are you calling MOP crap?! WTF?
> > LOAD
> > has absolutely no musical integrity and the black album contains no real
> > amount of balls and chunk.
..what about "Sad But True?" If that isn't one of, or not THE heaviest
Metallica song known to man, well.... IMNSHO, Hetfield finally got his
signature distortion (i.e., the one he uses live) off that album...it's
very similar to the distortion I'm trying to find for my axe. LOAD has
musical integrity, but it's just not as complex as we're used to having
Metallica put out. But listen to EVERYTHING ELSE that's being put out,
compared to LOAD, and you'd be suprised how much more complex these songs
are. I blame this on the degeneration of real talent being put on label
records in leiu of shitty trends...but that's another, unsolvable mystery.
> > Both of those albums are just commercial sellouts designed to
> > produce radio-friendly songs that would yield them
> > the most profits. i think if Metallica continues to go in this direction
> > they will soon have to be called Poison.
Do us all a favor, and watch "Cliff 'em All." People like you were
calling Metallica a "sell-out" band way back in the days of Ride and MOP.
> > Al least Dream Theater continues
> > to put out great music no matter what.
..to the rest of the jam, I'm sorry, this is gonna sting,
but when was the last time DT put something out?
>:)
You truly did not understand the meaning of my whole initial post.
~Eckie
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:57:16 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kobra Records? DT Boot?
Message-ID: <970306205626_604490971@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Hey Jammerz -
I know I posted something about this before, but to my knowledge, nobody
responded. I'm looking for some information as to where I can get my hands
on a CD copy of the Dream Theater bootleg of "Guitar Talkin/Acoustic +
Clinic". I have seen a couple of people saying they have a copy. I know now
that it's on the Kobra records label: the same label that made that awesome
soundboard "Uncovered" boot. Does anybody have any info? A Web-page
address, maybe, of Kobra records? Or even just the name of someone who may
be selling the disc? Thanx in advance for any of your help. Laterz!
- Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 21:14 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <m0w2pAw-000FMwC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Read on the ytsejam that the guy from Keel is a country singer. He
apparently is no longer a country singer due to "too many rules in the
country music business". Well, my opinion stands, hes just trying to do
whatever will make him money rather than stick to his true roots and staying
with metal (whatever the hell you called his style of music). Perhaps the
style of music I'm thinking of is CRAP- no offense...I just hate his music.
Also, for those of you who are out there looking for new unsigned metal
bands, check out DFR and Enertia. DFR plays a blend of progressive, thrash
and just plain metal. They have an awesome song off their disc "DFRENCES"
called Soul Hold and many other great tracks that deserve attention. As for
Enertia, who says true metal has to die? This band sounds SO amazing for an
unsigned band...the sound is crystal-clear, none of the unsigned band crap
that you usually hear (ex. bands that sound like their music was recorded on
to a cassette and only sold them in CD form as an afterthought). The band
plays music that could be described as a cross between Flotsam And Jetsam,
Armored Saint and Dream Theater. They have a great 5-song CD out called Law
Of Three and features amazing tracks like the riff-heavy "The Mirror" (not
the DT song), the funky "I Know Your Demons" to the straight-ahead heavy
metal of "Same Old Story". There is no grunge in either of these bands,
there is no rap, there is no punk, its all metal. If anyone wants website
addresses for these bands, e-mail me and I'll gladly give them to you.
Support metal and buy these albums.
A while back, I saw a post about someone hearing the original version of the
Savatage song, Heal My Soul in a commercial. Has anyone ever got to hear the
orchestra version of Hall Of The Mountain King? Its amazing. Firstly, I have
it on my computer in Netscape Navigator and I heard it on a commercial of a
company thats selling an orchestra CD- you know, call 1-800-blah-blah-blah
and you pay only 19.99 for this lovely CD plus 29 dollars shipping and
handling.
I've babbled on enough now.
Don Compton
mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:16:54 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The truth about Dream Theater
Message-ID: <199703070228.SAA16642@odin.ax.com>
> Stephan Lill, the guitar player of VP, bought Petrucci's
> home video and practiced that much, that he hurt his arms!
> He isn't even able to hold a glass in his hands at the moment.
> There is a rumor going 'round that he won't be able
> to play guitar anymore!! I really hope that this rumor
> doesn't turn into truth! This is even worse because
> VP just started the recordings of their next album.
I don't know whether I should be afraid to laugh or not. I got a
terrible headache while watching JPs video, I think from watching the
blur of his fingers racing over his fretboard making my eyes go all
funky. I can't say I was impressed much. It would be astounding if
the guy were human, you know, but John's not.
I've done some research and am about to breach national security to
reveal a highly classified piece of information.
The reason that the new album's not coming out is because the
government's trying to cover it up and has secluded the members to
Area 54 in Nevada. Hanger 18. As soon as they are thoroughly
beaten, analyzed, probed, dissected, and desensitized, the government
will reassign them to positions of underwater arc welders for the US
Department of Marine Studies, seeing as how they breathe underwater,
being conditioned from another planet. They will also be given new
names and identities, and ionic fluids will be constantly flushed
into their system to keep their dangerous musical talents at bay.
Genetically created lookalikes will be placed in their stead and will
be forced to produce a terrible album that will be immediately
shunned by the public and the band will be dropped. These
genetically created clones will then be abducted and it will appear
to us that the members of Dream Theater will be killed in a tragic
accident whlie in preparation for releasing a spirited comeback album
on a lesser label. So I fear, these people you have been seeing at
Disneyland, and playing in Ethyl Mertz, and performing slinics around
the world are not really the true band members. These clones are not
genetically perfect and tend to have some slight quirks. Here are
some as follows...
John Myung: Loss of speech.
Kevin Moore: Testicular Cancer.
Mike Portnoy: Hair Loss.
James LaBrie: He casts no shadow.
John Petrucci: Chronic post nasal drip and vertigo.
Derek Sherinian: A tendency to confuse which sex he is attracted to
and an overwhelming attraction to blondes.
This may be my last post, my friends.I have revealed far too much and
will surely be captured as a traitor to my country and executed on
the spot.
Goodbye...
Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by
KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized
reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of
the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott
chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 23:55:33 -0600
From: Scott M Peters <sretep@iastate.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trade bootlegs
Message-ID: <199703070555.XAA23293@mailhub.iastate.edu>
Im wanting to start collecting Dream Theater boots... but all I have to
offer are some Pink Floyd boots. So if anyone is interested in trading with
me, please send me an email.
Thanks,
Scott
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:52:04 -0500
From: Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Complete Euro Dtaes
Message-ID: <199703070152_MC2-1237-3A77@compuserve.com>
Contrary to my last mailing, there has now been additions to the mini
Euro-tour, so apologies there. The following is excerpts from Mike himself
on the situation at present:
O.K. Everybody...
I wanted to wait until everything was completely booked and confirmed, but
obviously the cat is out of the bag and running rampid all over the
internet!!!!! So here it is:
THE OFFICIAL WORD as of Thursday, March 6th:
We've decided to book a few more "special, one-off" shows (ala the Fix for
'96 shows this past December on the East Coast) this time in Europe, to
tide
the fans over until the label gets our asses in the studio. Our #1 priority
is still recording the record,
but as long as we're sitting aroung waiting, we need to keep playing and
continue to earn a living. Hopefully, we will enter the studio directly
after
the dates......
Anyway, here's what confirmed so far:
Thursday April 10th - Forum - Nurnberg, Germany
Friday April 11th - Babylon - Munich, Germany
Saturday April 12th - Palalido - Milan, Italy
Monday April 14th - Melkweg - Amsterdam, Holland
Tuesday April 15th - Noorderlight - Tilburg, Holland
Wednesday April 16th - Noorderlight - Tilburg, Holland
Friday April 18th - Pier 2 - Bremen, Germany
Saturday April 19th - Biskuithalle - Bonn, Germany
Sunday April 20th - Mike Portnoy's 30th Birthday - Home Sweet Home!! : )
Important Note:
Things can still change at this stage (dates, venues, etc.)
There is the possibility of one more German show being added on the front
of the tour.
I will have the info on that, as well as the opening act (possibly Fates
Warning)
hopefully by tomorrow.
I wanted to get this info out now to set the record straight.
Mike Portnoy
There you have it, more info as Mike passes it on.
For now,
Neil Elliott - DTIFC
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:57:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Clinics in StL. (No Metallica, Winger, or Minnesota Content)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970307014216.13560A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Well, folks, it looks as though I've spoken too soon. I called McMurray
Music earlier this afternoon, and I have some great news for St.Louis (and
nearby) jammers. It turns out, that there is not only a John Petrucci
Clinic there on Thursday, April 3rd, but also a Derek Sherinian clinic the
night before that! Not to mention Al DiMeola (sp?) on the 5th. They
tried to get Mike Portnoy as well, but that fell through due to
sponsorship problems. All the clinics begin at 6:30 PM. I forgot to ask
about a fee, but I will call back and see. If anyone wants to get more
info on this, the number is (314) 428-8600. I'll post anything more I
find out later.
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| Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:24:34 +0100 (MET)
From: Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cover songs in MP3
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970307132343.8989A-100000@speed.eik.bme.hu>
Hey Hi!
I encoded 3 wav files (16bit, stereo, 44.1Khz) to MP3 and zip them:
EROTOMAN.ZIP - 6Mb (Erotomania)
WFS.ZIP - 2.8Mb (Wait For Sleep with vocal)
WFINSTR.ZIP - 4Mb (Wait For Sleep instrumental version, it contains a bonus
intro :) and a MID file, too. It should be there in these days)
If you don't have an MP3 player, you can download an MP3 to WAV decoder
(MP3DECOD.ZIP, 78Kb).
You can download these from
http://thunder.sch.bme.hu/music/dt/else.html
Please let me know your opinions, ideas about these cover performances.
I'm going to make a lot more in the future...
Cheers,
Peter
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:55:20 0
From: "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: European gigs... wot no UK?
Message-ID: <9703071253.AA10841@sphinx>
On 6 Mar 97, ytsejam@ax.com wrote about "YTSEJAM digest 2321":
> >Sat. Apr 12 - Palalido, Milan, Italy
> >Mon Apr. 14 - Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland
> >Tue. Apr. 15 & Wed. Apr. 16 - Noorderlight, Tilburg, Holland
> >
> >And that is it, no others are scheduled as yet, and seems unlikely at
> >present.
>
> What! no UK gigs ....... Neil, get back on the phone quick i want a gig
> in Newcastle and i don't want any excuses (like, Newcastle? where's that? ,
> it costs too much, i don't like the food etc etc.........)
What's this "want" a gig in Newcastle... we NEED a gig in the UK!! For I&W we
got a couple of small tours & I saw them in Milton Keynes... For "Awake" we got
the Ronnie Scotts gig (wish I had been there) & one show at the London Forum (I
think)... Is there something DT doesn't like about the UK? If there aren't
enough DT fans in the UK for it to be thought of as worthwhile, I'd say they
need to do more gigs here & get more promotion going... I don't sit around
with my band & say "oh, there's no one interested in coming to our gigs, we'd
better not do any..."... I say "Fuck it, let's force feed 'em with our stuff
until they can't ignore us!!"
I know the UK isn't the most ignored place in the world by DT, but if you don't
ask, you don't get... PLEASE play the UK next month or May (oh yeah, can my
band open for you too? ;)))))
Laterz
Eddie };-)~
- CONGRESS.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C. (Y/n)?
- "Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana..."
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:31:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970307092217.29425B-100000@bdmserver>
1. Who is Uli Roth? Yngwie covers one of his songs on Inspiration, which
so far I think is good. Basically take Kansas, Hendrix, Deep Purple,
Rainbow, Uli Roth, etc and add Yngwie... There is a pretty cool picture
if you take the case apart...
2. The Phil Collins show I saw the other night was great. He had a 15
piece band. He is a great showman. I had a question about the song "In
the Air Tonight". Someone told me it was about him witnessing someone
killing another person, then inviting him to his concert to sing the song
to his face. Anyone know anything else about this?
3. Lump me in with the Winger fans. Check out Kip's page:
http://www.domo.com/kip.html
4. After multiple listens, I still dont know what to think of Nuno's cd.
I expected something different from Nuno
5. The more I listen to Awake the more I like it...
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