YTSEJAM Digest 2323
Today's Topics:
1) Winger, other prog
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
2) HOLLAND DATE PHONENUMBERS
by "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
3) Tony...Salt n'peppa?
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
4) Music Poll
by "Christian Dufault" <christian_dufault@pch.gc.ca>
5) Re: Derek
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
6) Kiss The Stone
by "Eugene E. Szucs" <szucseue@flyernet.udayton.edu>
7) whatever
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
8) Michigan Jammers
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
9) Back from an extended absence
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
10) Time Machine (NDTC)
by vanzin@dks.com.br
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2321
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2322
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) Lots of stuff, none of which pertain to DT
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
14) Metallica, and final thots on MN
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
15) about KTS
by "Francesco" <amendo@tno.it>
16) About Metallica and the word 'commercial'..... and Poison!!
by "Francesco" <amendo@tno.it>
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:06:57 -0800
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Winger, other prog
Message-ID: <199703062105.AA13716@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Yet again, the Jam has amazed me with it's resourcefulness.
Thanks to all who provided the Winger info, I think I'll take a look for
Kip's album. I kind of expected the lack of good responses for Pull. It's
a lot different from the other stuff. I love the first four songs, the
rest of the album is good IMHO.
Reb Beach is too good to be resting on his laurels, so I hope he
finds a new band or something. His was one of the best live guitar solos
I ever saw (even over Eddie, Satch, Vai). He played two and the one right
before Baptized by Fire (ITHOTY Tour) blew my mind. The rest of the show
(Essex Jct, VT) blew my eardrums out...:)
As for other prog: are any of the bands that people keep
recommending available at mainstream stores? I shop at CD World in New
Jersey which is comparable to a Sam Goody. I'm looking around for the
following: Superior, Spock's Beard, Lemur Voice, Altura. That's where I'm
starting at least. I only buy after I listen and my store has a 30 return
policy on all CDs, even opened ones. If anyone can give me some info on
this topic please do so by PRIVATE E-MAIL. Thanks again...
Andrew
_____________________
When the music stops,
There's only the sound of the rain...
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:13:14 +-100
From: "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: HOLLAND DATE PHONENUMBERS
Message-ID: <01BC2A7C.05337160@utrecht29.pop.tip.nl>
Hey Jammers
For your information, the phonenumbers of the venues were DT will play:
Melkweg, Amsterdam:020-6241777
Noorderligt, Tilburg:013-5365587
Or try the Ticketline on 06-300125
Don't forget to use the acces code of holland, when your phoning from outside the Netherlands.
Remember that the tickets will go on sale on friday (Tomorrow !!!)
I hope i didn't made any typos !!!
Denis/ TOD Holland
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:32:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tony...Salt n'peppa?
Message-ID: <199703062132.QAA02289@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hey.. I like salt n' peppa. Word up. J (j/k)
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 16:10:48 EST
From: "Christian Dufault" <christian_dufault@pch.gc.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music Poll
Message-ID: <9702068576.AA857694643@smtp2.pch.gc.ca>
Hey all! I'm doing a poll in my webpage about favorite bands, bands'
members and favorite songs and albums so point your browser at the
following URL and vote!!!
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3353/question.html (poll page)
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3353 (main page)
Christian "Uno" Dufault
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 03:32:40 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970306093240.007427ec@mail.inlink.com>
At 12:44 PM 3/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Interesting you say that because Derekis now doign clinics himself.
>>I know he is doing one April 3 in St. Louis...
>Serious? I know Petrucci is doing one that day, but didn't hear
>anything about Derek. It'd be cool to see the two together.
>
i imagine he was mixed up in hearing or relating the details and that just
JP is doing a clinic.. tho maybe derek will be there to jam :)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:40:36 +0000
From: "Eugene E. Szucs" <szucseue@flyernet.udayton.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kiss The Stone
Message-ID: <9703062136.AA26692@enterprise.udayton.edu>
Some of the boots are recorded slower for the exception of the
newer ones (circa '94) or so. I've got Mind Control and it's full
tempo, as well as my NIN boot Children of the Night. Both are grade
a IMHO.
"In observation, I don't know where this is headed.
But the only one of us with the coordinates for
this destination is hardware is you. Go on
whatever vision quest you require, stand at the
rim of a volcano, stand alone and do your dance.
Just find this beast before he takes another bite!"
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:38:18 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: whatever
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703061604.A22259-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Dreaded Rear Admiral <bd90988@binghamton.edu>
> Subject: Re: Re: New Albums from Fave Bands...
>
> In regards to the reply from eckie@asu.edu, how dare you compare Master of
> Puppets to Load and the Black Album? Both those albums were crap. LOAD
> has absolutely no musical integrity and the black album contains no real
> amount of balls and chunk. Both of those albums are just commercial
> sellouts designed to produce radio-friendly songs that would yield them
> the most profits. i think if Metallica continues to go in this direction
> they will soon have to be called Poison. Al least Dream Theater continues
> to put out great music no matter what.
This guy probably doesn't even realize upon which how many different
levels he has pissed people off. Attack, Rich!
----> From: Steve Burton <perix@cyberg.it> > Subject: Any Italian jammers? > > Are there any italian jammers?
There's Bafu.
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> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > Subject: Local TV rocks/take it easy on me now > > Perhaps the AM radio market is a niche to be penetrated by prog rock... > Screw stereo :) (Who's old enough to remember the attempt at > AM/Stereo?)
Wouldn't *that* be a switch! "Hello? Yes, get me the station manager. Hello? I turned on the radio today to hear Rush. What happened? What?... What do you mean, this *is* Rush? This is some kind of rock music!"
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> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Subject: Colonel Tide... > > Nor do I, but I'm not going to agree with your assessment of the album > either. I'd put it in the middle of the Rush canon, not as low as "Caress > of Steel," but not as high as "Hemispheres."
<cough> Some of us happen to *like* Caress of Steel.
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> From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Minnesota > > > You must not get out of the city much, > > I spend QUITE a bit of time out of the city.
Thank you for allowing us all to sit in on this most educational and enlightening debate. Now quit it.
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> From: "Kinstrey, Michael A (CRD)" <kinstrey@exc01crdge.crd.ge.com> > Subject: Re: Winger > > My latest issue of Guitar For The Practicing Musician has a half-page > article > on Reb Beach. He's been doing studio work in Nashville playing country > music.
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Mommy, make the bad man stop!!! Bad touch! Bad touch!
> "No one can hear when you're Screaming in Digital" - Queensryche
Hey, get out of there!
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Michigan Jammers Message-ID: <01IG6RKJT5C28Y5DU7@ltu.edu>
-Partha
I've been on for a while, but I don't post that often. Jeff E and I both work at the same computer lab at LTU, where actually a large amount of the employees here are DT fanatics. I don't have much else to do when I work than sit back and read the jam. I don't much care for WRIF anymore. I get really tired of hearing the same crap over and over again. Granted Mandatory Metallica is pretty cool, but that's not enough to make me listen to a radio station. I don't really listen to radio at all anymore because these stations need to play popular music to make money, and I don't find much of interest in popular music. People often ask questions like "Why don't they play more Fates Warning (or Lemur Voice, or whatever band with a scrap of talent you wanna put in there) on the radio?" The answer is that unfortunately there aren't enough people who listen to these bands for the stations to make money off of it. I understand that they are a business and when the money ceases to flow, they can no longer afford to remain in business. That Turning Point special made me really sad. I seriously wonder if these DJs actually like the music they play or if they are just another mindless drone of the music industry. They are afraid of anything new, and the crap that they play shows that. I can't believe that they are so afraid of new things, when some of the most successful breakouts were completely contradictory to the most popular trends of the time. Take Nirvana for example. I don't like Nirvana, but look at the trends that existed right before they broke. Guns 'N Roses, Poison, and Warrant were still kings of the hill when Nevermind came out. Do you Nirvana would have broke if they were singing songs like "Cherry Pie?" I would be able to stand to listen to the radio more if there wasn't such a sameness to most of it these days. And forget MTV. They died many years ago. They might be able to redeem themselves if M2 continues to play the variety of weird stuff I have been seeing on there. People are afraid of breaking the paradigm, but it seems like it is often a much better bet than sounding just like everything else. Another effect of all this is that mailing lists such as the jam are becoming more and more important in getting info on the kind of stuff that we want to hear. The fact of the matter is that DT is more of a global success. The music scene in America in the 90's has been really fucking pathetic. Europe and Japan are much more receptive to bands like DT. I wonder how well the next DT will do in America? For all we know they could be part of the "next big scene," but that probably won't happen because they "don't sound like everything else." (Thank god!) I play in a band myself, up in the Grand Rapids area. Grand Rapids has a particular sound, and if you don't fit that sound then it's really hard to break in that scene. (Just for reference, the GR sound is an endless horde of horrible Gin Blossom clones) We don't sound like DT or any prog rock, but we have a really heavy sound, so we don't blend well with the GR sound. In other words we have to work 20 times as much for about 1/10th the exposure because we choose to have our own sonic identity. Well that's enough of my ranting and raving. It's very important for everyone here to support new rock bands who don't fit in, such as Shadow Gallery and Lemur Voice. I've never heard Lemur Voice, but thanks to you guys I'm going to go out and buy it (as soon as my current lack of money subsides). Where else but these kind of mailing lists am I going to get info like that? As long as DT has legions of "underground" fanatics like us, then they should be well off. Later folks.
-C#
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:57:25 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Back from an extended absence Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970306165725.00954830@pophost.fore.com>
Hello everyone, My name is KAI, and some of you may remember me. I was on the 'jam a ways back (probably one of the first 40 subscribers), but I lost net access when I graduated. Well I'm back, and I have some catching up to do. Last I heard, WDATU was still just a thought - which I still don't have. One question: I heard a rumor that DT released a fan-club only CD of more tunes from the Ronnie Scotts show. Any truth to that? Anyway, glad to be back. BTW, when's the next album coming out?
Later, KAI
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:09:54 -0300 From: vanzin@dks.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Time Machine (NDTC) Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.3.6.-13.9.54.2579404677.633764@dks.com.br>
Hey there!
YT>------------------------------ YT>From: "Dan Souza" <soyza@ibpinetsp.com.br> YT>Subject: Time Machine, bootlegs and stuff.. YT>> 3) Never heard a prog band called TIME MACHINE ? It's italian and YT>> really killer one!!! YT> Yes, I heard a CD (don't remember the name..) over here in Brazil and I' YT>really appreciated, as much as I appreciated the "thanks to" Andre Mattos YT>from Angra. :) YT>------------------------------
Yeah! Time Machine sure kick ass. The album name is (the last one) "Act II: Galileo". Although I haven't heard the whole album yet, I've listened to some .ra's a friend has in his page. Really good prog-metal, really worthy taking a look. For anyone that wants to hear them, there are 3 .ra's at http://www.lcg.ufrj.br:80/~rogerio/musica.html (or .htm, I'm not sure).
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sใo Paulo - Brasil vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ อออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออ
DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888 Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare Fone/Fax +55 011 870-3444
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2321 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970306171026.101634D-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> I hate to say it but I'm a little hesitant to try out the new Collective > Soul album. I think (and I may be the only one) that their last album sucked > big time. I liked Hints, Allegations And Things Left Unsaid though. As for > the U2 influences, that scares me even more. I might check it out but I hope > it sounds nothing like the last album.
If you liked "Hints..." you'll really like this. It basically is a balance between the song-oriented "Hints..." and the more riff-drivern second album. If you like Collective Soul, I can almost guarantee you'll like this. As for the U2 reference, I'm not a guitar player, but some of the choruses sound to me like early U2. But then, I don't know much U2 either. Don't let that throw you.
Richie
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2322 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970306171901.101634E-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
i think if Metallica continues to go in this direction > they will soon have to be called Poison.
Oooooooo....tempting, but I'll let it go. BTW, if the new Queensryche sounds ANYTHING like Lillian Axe, I'll have to pick it up. Lillian Axe is one of my all-time favorite bands so any comparisons are a good thing to me.
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> He said that country music has become a lot like 80's rock, and that > they love tapping.
I've heard a lot former hard rock musicians saying this. Anyone remember the band Keel? They were big around '86. Anyway, their singer now goes by the name Ronnie Lee Keel and is a country artist. Anyone else catch one of his songs on MTV's "It CAme From The 80s II?" The lyrics went "My horse is my Harely/ My gun's a guitar." Personally, I'd probably like newer country if it wasn't for the vocals.
Richie
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 18:03:35 -0800 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: The University of North Dakota <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lots of stuff, none of which pertain to DT Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970307020335.006789b0@pop.pipeline.com>
I just got back from shopping at the local import store, and I saw some very interesting things there. First of all, I bought Veni Domine's "Material Sanctuary," which sounds sort of like Warning-era Tate fronting Candlemass so far. It may change. No, the singer isn't *that* good, but reminiscent. I also bought Seige's Even's (ick, double possessive) "Steps," to which I have yet to listen. I saw many things at the store which I have heard about on the jam, so if you are interested in buying any of this stuff, and you live in Maryland, I can steer you in the proper direction. I saw the Finneus Gauge CD. I saw some Vanden Plas CD. I saw a 12" of Crimson Glory's first album. Also a 12" of Fates Warning's "No Exit." There were other things...Lemur Voice's CD was there used for 10 bucks. That's about it.
Another note...this guy cracking on ND seems really bitter to me. Am I imagining things? Every place has its advantages and disadvantages. Enjoy the outdoors and clean air. Make your own fun. I grew up in Wisconsin, and everyone gives me shit about cows (hey rip) even though I grew up in a city. Cheese and Beer (repeat chorus) is all anyone thinks WI is about. That may be so, but there are plenty of things about WI, and by extension the midwest, which are positive. I live in a supposedly great cultural urban area (DC/Baltimore/Annapolis triangle), where everything (NY, Philly, etc) is nearby, but there are things that suck about this place, too. I guess the grass is always greener (or the blondes more sincere) for some people.
The Veni Domine doesn't sound so much like Candlemass anymore..though it *is* much more "doomy" than old rhyche. It's probably not fair to be making this comparison...
Until the next time.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:06:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metallica, and final thots on MN Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970306175004.192B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> YTSEJAM Digest 2322
> From: Dreaded Rear Admiral <bd90988@binghamton.edu> > To: "Jam? We don't need no stinkin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Re: Re: New Albums from Fave Bands... > > In regards to the reply from eckie@asu.edu, how dare you compare Master of > Puppets to Load and the Black Album? Both those albums were crap. LOAD > has absolutely no musical integrity and the black album contains no real > amount of balls and chunk. Both of those albums are just commercial > sellouts designed to produce radio-friendly songs that would yield them > the most profits. i think if Metallica continues to go in this direction > they will soon have to be called Poison. Al least Dream Theater continues > to put out great music no matter what. >
I was ruminating a bit on this after the show last night. Metallica really is getting the cash flow in both ways nowadays. Make a slow album that appeals to the alterna-crowd. (I'll agree, it isn't an alternaalbum, but it is moreso than many other album they've made so far) Then they go out and throw out a loud, obnoxious show (which is quite good), not DT great, just good. You satisfy the label by making a shit album, but then you go on tour and play all your old stuff and punk stuff. The record company must just roll in the dough.
> From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Minnesota
> > Um...in the movie Fargo, the people who talk like that are at least 40s. Nobody > said anything about the younger generation. > Hmm, there is the scene with the SYT's from Brookyn Park. They have quite the Minnesooootan accents. But anyway, we've established that they do go over the top with the accent, which was all I meant to say. The whole flippin state sure don't sound like that, at any rate.
-jeremy
PS What do folks think of Nuno's Schizophonic? I haven't seen any reviews lately, and he's coming to the Paradise in Boston this weekend. I like the album. It's got a lot of different styles going for it.
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # To strive, to seek, # # Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. # # Astronomy #"Understanding is a three-edged sword-- # # <*> <*> <*> # your side, their side, and the truth" # # Jeremy Hallum # No surrender, No retreat. # # jhallum@bu.edu # http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 00:19:09 +0000 From: "Francesco" <amendo@tno.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: about KTS Message-ID: <199703062314.AAA10907@sirio.tno.it>
Hello, I'm italian and I bought several CD by KTS, through mail order as well as directly in a store. I've always found a great quality and a very fast delivery. The overall job is appreciatable. Forgive my poor english!!! Ah, the last thing, anyone interested in going to the DT concert in Italy on the 12 April, let me know! Bye
Francesco
http://www.angelfire.com/sd/sundown/index.html
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 00:19:09 +0000 From: "Francesco" <amendo@tno.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: About Metallica and the word 'commercial'..... and Poison!! Message-ID: <199703062314.AAA10904@sirio.tno.it>
(The admiral wrote:)
> In regards to the reply from eckie@asu.edu, how dare you compare Master of > Puppets to Load and the Black Album? Both those albums were crap. LOAD > has absolutely no musical integrity and the black album contains no real > amount of balls and chunk. Both of those albums are just commercial > sellouts designed to produce radio-friendly songs that would yield them > the most profits.
Well, I think it's not up to you say what is or what is not commercial. And, however, I think there's a big general misunderstanding about the word 'commercial'. It doesn't affect the overall quality of a product! Do you call commercial anything melodic? Anything that sells more than it should? Well, I think it's not easy to compose something with this intention, otherwise there would be a lot of rich stupid bands on this planet..... Just agree or not about the direction the band took. You're not forced to buy their records, and respect people who do it....
> i think if Metallica continues to go in this direction > they will soon have to be called Poison. Al least Dream Theater continues > to put out great music no matter what. > > The Admiral has spoken!
If you let me speak (and I'm not an admiral..) I'd like to defend Poison if they'd ever need... I appreciate them. As much as I love Dream Theatre. Music is music... coins have usually two faces, isn't it?
PS. Do you even have an hi-fi system on your boat?????
Francesco
http://www.angelfire.com/sd/sundown/index.html
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