YTSEJAM Digest 2344
Today's Topics:
1) DT with MD?
by "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
2) RE: Luis Vargas'
by edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
3) NDTC
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
4) Afraid of Sunlight
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
5) EUROPEAN TOUR - Bremen gig cancelled?
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
6) RE: NDTC
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
7) interesting music nite in detroit, and I?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
8) OK, you guys win.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
9) "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
10) ozzy in the waiting room?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) Songs that have feeeling
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
12) Re: "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
13) Songs that move me.
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
14) Please Don't buy from Tunnel Records
by James Utz 14-Mar-1997 1039 <utz@allvax.ENET.dec.com>
15) Tickets
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
16) . . . and more tickets
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
17) RE: Luis Vargas'
by petedz@interaccess.com
18) popular
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:06:17 0
From: "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT with MD?
Message-ID: <9703141004.AA22820@sphinx>
With Megadeth's new album to be released in about 3 months, there is a fair bit
of talk on the MD list about touring partners... Apparently, Ratlhead (MD list
owner) put it to Dave Mustaine that DT would be a cool match... Dave's response
was that he was interested, but owing to music biz politics (or somesuch shit)
it would have to be DT's management that made the calls to get it to happen...
SO HOW ABOUT IT?!! GET OVER TO THE UK WITH MEGADETH, WHENEVER IT IS!!!!
Laterz
Eddie };-)~
- Hidden DOS secret: add BUGS=OFF to your CONFIG.SYS
- "Hit any user to continue."
- "It is easier to get forgiveness than permission."
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 06:11:35 EST
From: edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Luis Vargas'
Message-ID: <19970314.061041.9710.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
Wow, that was a long subject. :P
> until the mention of the so-called poet-boy vedder. I'd just like to
rem=
>ind
> people that this is the DREAM THEATER FAN-LINE, consisting of hopefully
> intelligent, musically educated persons and not the SEATTLE-SHIT
FAN-LIN=
>E,
> which has blinded, deluded and polluted America's youth into thinking
th=
>at
> grunge and most there-after had any real or comparable value.....
> hope i didn't piss anyone off too much (ha-fuckin'-ha)
Didn't piss me off at all.. takes a lot to do that. You did,
however, AMAZE me. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard such a
closed-minded comment before, and there's been plenty of crap all over
the Internet (And over the Jam a little while ago). It seems to me that
YOU have been blinded and deluded by progressive rock so much so that you
have developed an incredible superiority complex. If you don't like the
music, that's one thing. It's fine to have an opinion. But when you
bash a whole category of music, you prove yourself to be extremely
ignorant.
Hope I didn't hurt your over-sized ego,
Ytse-Ed
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:56:49 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC
Message-ID: <332A4831.6D99@connexus.apana.org.au>
Are people on the pearl jam Jam discussing Dream Theater ??
The answer is NO.
keep this a flannel fool free zone.
Enuff Z'Nuff
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:07:31 +0100 (MEZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: Afraid of Sunlight
Message-ID: <9703141307.AA70634@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
IMHO you got the wrong one. In fact it's the only Marillion album I didn't buy,
I also didn't go to one of the following shows as a revenge for this weak
thing. Many love it, but I think it's pure boring shit. No energy. That's the
problem with the music of today, NO ENERGY. Listen to the latest Soundgarden
singles, then listen to the stuff from Badmotorfinger (Jesus Christ Pose!!).
Same for Metallica. That's what I like about DT, even the calm and slow stuff
has LOTS of energy.
Ok, enough rambling.
Steffen
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:10:51 +0100 (MEZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: EUROPEAN TOUR - Bremen gig cancelled?
Message-ID: <9703141310.AA73688@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
Got an email yesterday, someone called Pier 2 in Bremen and they told him that
the show was cancelled. Any news about that?
Steffen - THE MIRROR
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 05:42:18 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: NDTC
Message-ID: <199703141342.FAA00054@ms.kallback.com>
>Are people on the pearl jam Jam discussing Dream Theater ??
>The answer is NO. Keep this a flannel fool free zone.
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Well, how about QR then?
Here's what The Rocket (Seattle music paper) says about the new cd.
The article includes a cut-out paper doll of GT along with grunge clothes to
dress him up in.
".....the band has looked to many of Seattle's most successful bands for
inspiration, particularly Alice in Chains and Soundgarden.....The chugging
pulse of the ironically-titled opener "Sign of the Times" rides a
Soundgarden- sounding chord progression and is flavored with Jerry
Cantrell-like guitar noodling. With the exception of a repeating acoustic
guitar break, it is solid Northwest sludge and sets the tone for the 13
songs that follow.
The first three songs...definitely ride a "Seattle Sound" vibe...There are
moments when one hears more Alice in Chains or Soundgarden than QR in the
songs...many of the riffs are incredibly derivitive."
It also mentions that is was recorded at PJ'sStone Gossard's studio and
recorded and mixed by Toby Wright, best known for his work with AiC.
Wonder if that had anything to do with it.
BTW, I don't like grunge either, just passing along info.
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:46:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: interesting music nite in detroit, and I?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970314083552.9636B-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Well, Tiles was playing and Nuno was around somewhere, so I went to a
basketball game.....(michigan won, btw, second round of the nit, which has
one big advantage over the ncaa's.....HOME GAMES!!)
anywho.....i love my bio lab.....we got these powermacs in there, with
cd-rom drives and sound cards, and i seem to be the only one capable of
bringing CDs along......coupla weeks ago, listened to a QR boot the whole
night......the other day.....CRITCAL MASS! life was good that night:
torturing turtles to the tune of tom sawyer.....
(although, I did get that annoying "this is a GUY singing?" remark from my
lab partner......)
DTC: for those of you just recently hearing the majesty demos....what
was your take on the song "a vision"? my personal fave, that instrumental
section would qualify it for "songs that touch me" if I were to waste
bandwidth creating such a list :)
enjoying the funky weather, all you northern types? I forsee a nice
weekend of studying for exams punctuated with breaks to clean up the
branches that just SNAPPED off due to the sheer weight of ice......
makes for some really cool pictures though, if i could find my camera...
partha mukhopadhyay
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:20:52 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: OK, you guys win.
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703140947.A1069-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
I've been trying to fight this whole "top-whatever list" craze, but
everyone seems to either be enjoying it or ignoring it. And you all know
how much I like to fit in, so I figure I'll throw my own entry into the
mix. I therefore proudly present to you, kind Ytsejam readers...
An unordered list of countries I have never visited
---------------------------------------------------
1. France
2. Denmark
3. Mexico
4. Uruguay
5. People's Republic of Yemen
6. Nicaragua
7. India
8. Germany
9. Brazil
10. Seattle
11. Honduras
12. Albania
13. Turkmenistan
14. England
15. Japan
16. Australia
17. New Zealand
18. Greenland
19. Phillipines
20. China
21. Italy
22. Kuwait
23. El Salvador
24. Iraq
25. Wales
26. Norway
27. Chile
28. Egypt
29. Congo
30. Jordan
31. Ethiopia
32. Burkina Faso
33. Croatia
34. Kazakhstan
35. Iceland
36. Poland
37. North Korea
38. Mongolia
39. Scotland
40. Peru
41. Sweden
42. Finland
43. Vatican City
44. Belize
45. Switzerland
46. Cuba
47. Antigua
48. Holland
49. Antartica
50. Kansas
51. South Korea
52. Vietnam
53. Republic of China
54. Estonia
55. Slovenia
56. Armenia
57. Barbados
58. Guam
59. Lesser Antilles
60. Argentina
61. Cambodia
62. Nevada
63. Curacao
64. South Africa
65. Syria
66. Albania
Well, I could go on all day, but I think you get the point. At least, I
hope so.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 9:49:36 EST
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+EAK8nA@tcx.tcco.com>
I just got my "Silent Crying (rock ballads against nuclear terror)". It's
really awesome. "Silent Crying 2" should be out really soon. Here is the
track listing in case anyone is interested:
CONCEPTION: Silent Crying
STRATOVARIUS - Solitude (unreleased)
WISHFUL THINKING - Hiroshima
VIRGIN STEELE - Forever Will I Roam
GAMMA RAY - Silence (unreleased)
SANVOISEN - Tears For No One
KAMELOT - What About Me
ALEX PARCHE PROJECT - The Longer You Can Wait
THUNDERHEAD - Good Things Never Last (unreleased)
RICOCHET - Your Song
ANGRA - Stand Away
ELEGY - Lust for Life
KASHMYR - Midnight Rain
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:49:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ozzy in the waiting room?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970314094521.5368A-100000@tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu>
hey Korg, which dentist did you go to anyway?
I can just see it....you're waiting to see the dentist, because you think
you got a cavity, or you're getting a root canal....and then Crazy train
come on....and it ends, and there's that evil little laugh, and the weird
voice says "next!", just as the dentist comes through the door, and you're
thinking....Jack Nicholson in the little shop of horrors......(i know, i
know, he wasn't the dentist)
anyways....a quick little trivia quiz.......who was "finneaus gauge"? and
how's the real guy's name spelled?
answer the next time i do e-mail......
partha mukhopadhyay
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 14:46:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Songs that have feeeling
Message-ID: <199703141500.HAA13643@odin.ax.com>
Had to get on this bandwagon. All my favorites from QR, DT, 'Tage, etc.
have already been listed so I'll save space and mention a few of my
favorites that I have not seen.
Ani DeFranco: Dialate, Untouchable Face
Tori Amos: Winter, Hey Jupiter
Dave Matthews: Back You Up
NIN: Something I Can Never Have
Many more, but I consider these highlights.
Scott Holthausen
smh@ldg.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:03:13 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation
Message-ID: <199703141503.AAA06046@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
Well,SC Pt.2 is available @ your local stores. But I think there's no rare
stuff on this disc this time.
At 6:55 AM 97.3.14 -0800, Chung Ng wrote:
>I just got my "Silent Crying (rock ballads against nuclear terror)". It's
>really awesome. "Silent Crying 2" should be out really soon. Here is the
>track listing in case anyone is interested:
>
>CONCEPTION: Silent Crying
>STRATOVARIUS - Solitude (unreleased)
>WISHFUL THINKING - Hiroshima
>VIRGIN STEELE - Forever Will I Roam
>GAMMA RAY - Silence (unreleased)
>SANVOISEN - Tears For No One
>KAMELOT - What About Me
>ALEX PARCHE PROJECT - The Longer You Can Wait
>THUNDERHEAD - Good Things Never Last (unreleased)
>RICOCHET - Your Song
>ANGRA - Stand Away
>ELEGY - Lust for Life
>KASHMYR - Midnight Rain
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:51:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Songs that move me.
Message-ID: <199703141551.HAA22742@acme.csusb.edu>
Jammer-types,
Well, I feel the need to get on the bandwagon, so here's my list of songs
that move me:
Brother Cane-- "Hard Act to Follow", "Make Your Play"
Dream Theater-- "Scarred", "Learning to Live" "Funeral For a Friend
(Live)"
Debussy-- "Syrinx"
Cry Of Love-- "Carnival", "Saving Grace"
Edgar Winter-- "Dying to Live (Living to Die)", "Tobacco Road"
Beethoven-- "Eroica"
Peter Gabriel-- "In Your Eyes", "Digging in the Dirt (Live Secret World)"
Branford Marsalis-- "Brother trying to catch a cab..."
Mr. Bungle-- "Domestic Violence"
Gary Hoey-- "Drive", "Fade to Blue", "Texas Son"
Eric Clapton & Babyface-- "If I Could Change the World"
Steve Vai-- "Damn You"
Vai-- "What I Do In My Dreams With You", "Rescue Me or Bury Me"
Rush-- "La Villa Strangiato", "State of Grace"
Skid Row-- "Wasted Time", "Quicksand Jesus"
Dream Theater-- "Eve"
Enough... enough, even.
Hasta Lumbago, y placido domingo
ProgRockBoy
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 10:54:12 EST
From: James Utz 14-Mar-1997 1039 <utz@allvax.ENET.dec.com>
To: mail11:;;;@us4rmc.pko.dec.com@us4rmc.pko.dec.com@digital.com; (@ytsejam)
Subject: Please Don't buy from Tunnel Records
Message-ID: <9703141554.AA06747@us4rmc.pko.dec.com>
Just save yourself the pain and money. Go somewhere
else to get your bootlegs. Do not buy from Tunnel
Records. I was all excited about a major purchase from
them, but they screwed me too. I only received four of
the seven Dream Theater CDs that I ordered and they have
yet to provide me the refund they promised three months ago.
They claim that they are overworked and really appreciate
everyone's business. They pretend to be friendly on the
phone, and they post pretty, apologetic emails to
alt.music.bootlegs. They are liars, cheats, and greedy
bastards who don't deserve our money.
I would suggest Eric's CD Mine as well as CD Cellar. They
have never lied to me or cheated me. Just search for them
on the net.
James Utz
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:01:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tickets
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0314160101-d07rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
I've just heard that the tickets for the Dutch concerts are sold out,
I think. :-(
I am prepared to pay a stupidly large sum of money for a ticket, especially
for the Amsterdam show, so if you have one spare, please email me ASAP.
Even if you don't have one spare, I promise I'll pay more than your
friend will.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:35:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: . . . and more tickets Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0314163535-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Sorry to follow up my own post.
If you have a spare ticket for a Dutch DT show, I won't get to read my email till after the weekend.
My home phone number is +44 141 357 4033. I'll cover the cost of any phone calls too!!!!!!
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:10:00 -0600 From: petedz@interaccess.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Luis Vargas' Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970314171000.006a6818@pop.interaccess.com>
>> until the mention of the so-called poet-boy vedder. I'd just like to remind >> people that this is the DREAM THEATER FAN-LINE, consisting of hopefully >> intelligent, musically educated persons and not the SEATTLE-SHIT FAN-LINE, >> which has blinded, deluded and polluted America's youth into thinking that >> grunge and most there-after had any real or comparable value..... >> hope i didn't piss anyone off too much (ha-fuckin'-ha) > > Didn't piss me off at all.. takes a lot to do that. You did, >however, AMAZE me. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard such a >closed-minded comment before, and there's been plenty of crap all over >the Internet (And over the Jam a little while ago). It seems to me that >YOU have been blinded and deluded by progressive rock so much so that you >have developed an incredible superiority complex. If you don't like the >music, that's one thing. It's fine to have an opinion. But when you >bash a whole category of music, you prove yourself to be extremely >ignorant. > > Ytse-Ed
Well, I don't in any way want to support or condone the original poster. It is pretty clear to me that he wanted to piss people off.
OTOH, I don't think bashing a whole category of music is necessarily ignorant or closed minded. Bashing it without having listened would be closed minded. I've been listening to Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Bush, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and their ilk for years, now. I understand that many people like this music and see redeeming qualities in it. I do not. I can remember digging a couple of songs by a band called Candlebox. They belong to the Seattle wave, right?
My point is that once you've given something a fair chance, you don't have to be spineless and follow the herd. There are valid objective reasons for bashing an entire category of music, and grunge happens to be at the top of my list. Furthermore, anyone's opinion of grunge these days is likely to be an informed one. Thanks to MTV and the music industry in general, we've all be drowning in the stuff. As much as I'd like to be ignorant with regard to grunge, I've heard enough of it to be an expert.
While music tends to be an emotionally charged subject, that doesn't mean that people have to forego use of their critical facilities in assessing it.
Sorry about the tirade...but Ytse-Ed's response indirectly called a lot of people ignorant and closed minded, and I believe there's a fair number of us who didn't deserve it.
..and I'll go to my grave believing that rap music and house music are oxymorons as well. :)
-- Pete Dziadzka
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:11:51 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: popular Message-ID: <199703141721.TAA06089@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> you like it. I mean, it's gotta be popular for some other reason, ya
..and the first thing you know, he's telling you it's popular because they "sell out", because "there's MTV, radio and whatnot" to hype them big... :-)
Been there, seen that. Times two. Perhaps more.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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