YTSEJAM Digest 2347
Today's Topics:
1) Missing Person Report!
by Laussade@aol.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2304
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
3) RE:Luis Vargas'
by petedz@interaccess.com
4) Clockwork in NYC???
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
5) Last Chance on auction/more CDs for sale
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
6) Re: Don't hate me
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2345
by Brian D Hayden <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Stuff.
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
9) Metropolis (3/6)
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
10) Reviews
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
11) Oh yeah!
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
12) Metropolis (4/6)
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:40:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Missing Person Report!
Message-ID: <970314214050_1517087437@emout06.mail.aol.com>
BOO!
Hey there...I'm searching desperately for one Uffe Moller, aka BBlade, my
fellow Las Vegan jammer. I lost your number...and my hard drive crashed a
while ago, so I lost your email adress. I feel like crap about your
video...but I didn't know how to get it back to you. Anyways, if you're still
on the jam, mail me back. Sorry. :(
Ben
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:18:31 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2304
Message-ID: <v01530500af4fc52aed5f@[207.79.6.154]>
>I asked about Shadow Gallery, and they DO have
>their first one available, but I'd have to wait 8 weeks. :P Who cares?!
What is the phone # to this store? I need a copy, too.
J. Keifling
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:15:28 -0600
From: petedz@interaccess.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE:Luis Vargas'
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970315031528.006a08b4@pop.interaccess.com>
>However, my viewpoint on the whole bashing of an entire
>ANYTHING is wrong and ignorant. And I say this because in everything,
>including music, there are exceptions to the rule. As a rule, I can't
>stand rap. But I don't say that rap SUCKS, because I've heard one or two
>rap songs that I either respected for the good lyrics or because it was
>just a cool tune. No matter what the instance, unless, of course, it's
>scientific law, there will be exceptions. That's life.
I think we're actually pretty close to agreeing with one another in
some respects. I agree that there will be exceptions, but have also
noticed that the exceptions tend to outshine their "category" by borrowing
from outside. Of late, rap has borrowed heavily from soul.
DTC!! Often the best music comes from blending two different genres.
DT happens to be a prime example, combining raw metal with sophisticated
progressive. Another band that's been mentioned here recently, Lillian
Axe, took the more attractive elements of grunge and made a competent
album called Psychoschizophrenia.
Bashing a category or label, whether it be grunge, rap or house, has a
certain logic to it in spite of the exceptions. In a perfect world,
there wouldn't be any categories or labels in popular music. These
marketing driven labels tend to limit what music gets to see the light
of day. Try to label a band like Thought Industry. Industrial,
progressive, alternative, thrash? Even the darling genre of this list,
progressive metal, is a stretch. What sort of clothing does a
progressive metaller buy? What do they drink? Try doing the
same for grunge...or rap. I bet you can come up with a much better
marketing plan to target those groups.
>>My point is that once you've given something a fair chance, you don't
>>have to be spineless and follow the herd. There are valid objective
>>reasons for bashing an entire category of music, and grunge happens
>>to be at the top of my list.
>
> I'd like to hear your reasons. I've listed mine (or some of
>mine) above for why it is ignorant to bash an entire category of
>anything. And I don't understand what you meant by saying that once
>you've given something a fair chance, you don't have to be spineless and
>follow the herd. Could you please clarify what this was in reference to?
First off, I wasn't directing that "spineless" comment toward you.
As to my reasons, a partial answer can be found in my last paragraph.
A category of music is something which is easily identifiable because
of a list of common musical and sometimes associated cultural
characteristics. Once identified, these can be deemed good, bad, or
indifferent independently from any music associated with the category.
Although I could turn this into an essay on _Why_I_Hate_Grunge_, I won't
because that wasn't my point at all. The music industry has successfully
dictated to a big chunk of the people that listen to popular music that
this is today's flavor and, "You will like it!" I'm saying that it
would be nice if people took a long hard look at this and replied, "Not
on your !@#$ life!" Now do you see who I'm calling spineless?
>>While music tends to be an emotionally charged subject, that doesn't
>>mean that people have to forego use of their critical facilities in
>>assessing it.
>
> Again, I don't see what you mean. If you mean that, because
>you've heard it and think that it doesn't move you then it sucks, so you
>can bash it, I do and will believe that that's wrong. If you can
>understand what that last sentence means, I applaud you. :)
Many people on the net these days would say that an opinion shouldn't
be voiced if it might offend...well...anyone. Music is, of course, an
art form. Aesthetics tend to be a tricky thing to discuss objectively.
With regard to grunge, I wouldn't say that I've heard it and it
doesn't move me therefore it sucks. I WOULD say the I've heard a great
deal of it and I've dissected it to see what makes it tick therefore
I can make a good case for saying that it SUCKS!
..and if you can figure out what I mean with that last paragraph, I
am truly amazed! :) I'm home from work with a high fever and my
logical skills are probably not what they should be at the moment.
I'll bet anything that Mr. Vargas would have never guessed that his
post would lead to a polite thread on the pigeonholing of popular
music. How did he put it, again? "(ha-fuckin'-ha)"
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 22:23:48 EST From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Clockwork in NYC??? Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+tKV8nA@tcx.tcco.com>
I just saw an ad in a New York City magazine (Village Voice) that lists a band called CLOCKWORK playing at The Bitter End tonight (3/14). Is this the same CLOCKWORK that did the "Weaving Webs of Time"? If so, I wish I had seen the ad earlier cause I definitely would've gone.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:05:48 -0600 From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Last Chance on auction/more CDs for sale Message-ID: <332A2E2C.388C@flash.net>
I'm going to close the bidding on these two at 7:00 tomorrow night. 1)Dream Theater-Live Images highest bid $26.50 2)Dream Theater-Japanes Awake w/Eve mini-disc $20.00
Sold the World Trade CDs. Have two Copies of Marillions Live 2-disc set "Made Again" for $16 each David Chastain-Elegant Seduction and Next Planet Please $8 each Chastain-Davids band-Sick Society $8 or $15 for two Chastain or $21 for all three Chastain CDs. I guess that's it for now. I've posted a complete list of CDs I'm selling on rec.music.marketplace.cd and alt.rock-n-roll.classic or I can foreward a list to you. Just write me at kvill@flash.net Not much prog stuff, but certainly a varied assortment. Thanks, Kevin.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:09:11 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Don't hate me Message-ID: <199703150520.VAA22124@odin.ax.com>
> hey listen guys : > Let me first begin by saying that i never expected the harshly > overwhelming responses to my rather anodyne, innocuous little > midterm-stress-influenced note to our beloved ytse-jam. Actually, I > was quite pleased to read the youthfully enthousiastic (yet sophmoric) > replies by some "jammers" who shall, out of my overly-tested courtesy, > remain nameless ( though they probably are in real life). Neverless, I > realize that my molecular bio grad classes and thesis don't allow me the > pleasure of writing very much or often, so I'd like to thoroughly apologize > to those poor souls whom i may have offended. > And if anyone of the poop-heads who took this to heart STILL carry > an unreasonable grudge against myself or my comments after this date, > we can arrainge a "pleasant" meeting where I may bash your SHIT-ENGORGED > HEADS in....whatdoya think??? > Actually, I don't give a cheap fuck about any of this and ya fuckin' > know what.....NEITHER SHOULD YOU.
Let me see... You misspelled enthusiastic, and ytsejam has no hyphen. I believe poophead is a compound word with no hyphen also. Arrange was misspelled, you didn't space what do ya, and ya is a slang term which should have been applied with the proper second person "you." You also happened to capitalize mid-sentence. This is unallowable. There were a few missing linking verbs that I let slip by, yet the amount of profanity provided tempts me to flunk you outright. Also, please remember to indent five spaces at the beginning of each paragraph. Fortunately I was able to derive your point.
C-
No hard feelings? Asshole? :) KorgX3 ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:24:33 -0600 (CST) From: Brian D Hayden <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2345 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970314232331.570A-100000@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Well, our new rock station just played Pull Me Under a little while ago. This rules!
-Brian
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:19:12 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff. Message-ID: <199703150530.VAA22206@odin.ax.com>
> I'M ANSWERING THIS BUT I'M NOT MEL I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND. I'M ANSWERING ALL > THE FW E MAIL NOW. THE NEW FW ALBUM WILL BE OUT APRIL 22 AND IT'S CALLED A > PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY.
heheh... The guy's obviously new to this Email business, eh? (Canuck) eh? (Back to the caribou)
> The first three songs...definitely ride a "Seattle Sound" > vibe...There are moments when one hears more Alice in Chains or > Soundgarden than QR in the songs...many of the riffs are incredibly > derivitive."
This kinduv pisses me off here. Not that I don't like AIC or Soundgarden, I think they rock, but I think Queensryche has ben around a little longer than these blokes. Anyway, I guess I'll have to listen to the album and make a decision, but it real strange to see someone at this stage in their career get accused of squeezing something out of a younger, less experienced band or two. :P Mebbe they did. We'll find out in a week or so, or at least I will. :)
>An unordered list of countries I have never visited >--------------------------------------------------- >10. Seattle >50. Kansas >62. Nevada
Runnin out of countries here? :) Good thread let's all join in, thanks, D. :) (Don't see what the big deal is about lists. I think they're a great waste of time. :)
> Actually, I don't give a cheap fuck about any of this and ya > fuckin' know what.....NEITHER SHOULD YOU.
This is one guy that needs to visit Nevada. Fucks don't come cheap there. :) Maybe you could actually start earning yourself a living thou leech-lipped horn-frog. Hook him up, Ben da Pimp!
> I can just see it....you're waiting to see the dentist, because you > think you got a cavity, or you're getting a root canal....and then > Crazy train come on....and it ends, and there's that evil little > laugh, and the weird voice says "next!", just as the dentist comes > through the door, and you're thinking....Jack Nicholson in the > little shop of horrors......(i know, i know, he wasn't the dentist)
That Laughing Gas makes you dream strange stuff. Especially while listening to stuff like Bark at the Moon and Diary of a Madman. That wass the last time I do that. I'll put it on the religious station next time and talk to God for awhile. :)
> 1) Most Megadeth fans are too stupid to appreciate a band like DT. > 2) DT would blow Megadeth off the stage
I'd like to see who would actually blow who off of the stage. I don't think either are capable of such. Both are incredible bands and almost equal in my book. I do show a tad bit of favoratism to DT, but hell, Megadeth can always rock my world! I'd still like to see John P and Marty F duke it out in a guitar duel, though. It'd be a great fight. :)
>Thanks for bringing the jam to an all-time low Lars!! This is the >most ignorant amd self-righteous post I've ever seen. Anyone who >knows Megadeth's guitarist Marty Friedman knows that he can play >circles around Petrucci. Just listen to his solo albums or his band
Speaking of ignorance..... Refer to above statement. KorgX3 ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis (3/6) Message-ID: <199703150538.VAA12630@f20.hotmail.com>
Here's part 3 of the story based on one of the greatest songs by our favorite band!
Enjoy!
Metropolis Part 3
"As a child, I thought I could live without pain, without sorrow, But as a man, I've found it's all caught up with me. I'm asleep, yet I'm so afraid.
Somewhere, like a scene from a memory, There's a picture worth a thousand words. Eluding stares from faces before me. It hides away and will never be heard from again.
Deceit is the second without end..."
Dan and Jennifer were spending Friday night together, one of the few nights the conquestors weren't causing trouble. But they knew, as always, that that could change at any moment.
They were at home, one of the few places in the city that was anywhere near 100% safe,(and even that was wishful thinking) enjoying each other's company by candlelight. They were in the living room, dressed for a romantic evening.
They embraced each other, feeling the psychic entrance of each other's touch. For a moment, they forgot the perils of the city, their lost brother, and the conquestors. For a moment, they were the only two people alive.
They intensified this feeling with a passionate kiss, and the psychic bond was sealed.
That illusion was soon shattered.
The sound of gunfire immediately shook the two. Dan, grabbing Jennifer, yelled, "Get down!" and threw her along with herself to the floor. He then got his laser rifle that he hid under his couch and started firing back at the violent intruders. He hoped he could repel them off safely.
Finally, after the incident was over, he turned to Jennifer and said, "You okay, Jen?"
She brushed of the debris from her halter top and said, "I think they got me in the arm," which she pointed to. She had, indeed, been shot in the left bicep.
"We'd better get that bandaged up."
"Who do you think that was?"
"Oh, it was conquestors, all right. Which cadre, however, I don't know. What I'm wondering is how they knew I was here!"
It was a legitimate question. Sure, they probably had insiders to find out the home addresses of all the police force, but surely they wouldn't have known that he was at Jennifer's place tonight, and Paul was already dead.
---
"Why didn't you tell me she was with the Yamato militia!?"
Metropolis was very upset by this revelation. But all Miracle had to say was, "Well, you're the spirit of this city, not us! We're not the ones who see these things!"
"I wasn't always the spirit of the city!"
"That doesn't necessarily mean we were before you!"
The two continued arguing until Sleeper, the peacemaker, stopped them. "Please, control yourselves. I apologize, Metropolis, but Miracle is telling the truth. There is no way we could have access to the knowledge that you are now steadily gaining. And even if there was, there would be no way of presenting to you _everything_ you would need to know."
Metropolis moaned. "I hurt. My skin hurts."
Miracle said, "Would you like me to make it rain? I'm sure it would feel good, just like a warm lotion massage!"
"Yes, please."
At Miracle's direction, the water started falling over Metropolis' body, and the soft pounce of the droplets enticed and lubricated his skin.
"Ah, that feels good."
"I'll keep it going, if you like."
"Please do."
As his massage continued, Metropolis turned to Sleeper and said, "So, how do I get Jen out of Yamato?"
"Why would you want to get her out?"
"Don't you know what kind of people the Yamato are? They're cruel, heartless, violent-"
"We know all of that, but nevertheless, the Yamato may be exactly where you want her."
Metropolis gave Sleeper an irritated look. "Why in all hell would I _want_ her there?"
"She may be the key to resolving this conflict peacefully."
"Oh, there is no way to do that with the Yamato! Trust me!"
"Keep watching. There may be."
Reluctantly, Metropolis said, "Oh, all right, but what am I looking for?"
"How should I know? You're the one that has to ensure the solution to the conflict."
"Hey, look, I'm new at this being a diety thing."
"You will know when you see the sign that she should be there. Or that she should not be there."
Now he was puzzled. "But you just said-"
Sleeper interrupted, "I sait that she _might_ be in the right place. I did not necessarily say that she is. You must wait and see for yourself."
Metropolis was not happy. "But how will I recognize the sign? And how will I know what it wants me to do?"
Sleeper would have grinned at this point if he wasn't committed to eternally keeping his wise stare. "You'll know."
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The night began again for Daniel. He went out into the night with his fellow policemen. Tonight, they had a lead to bust the main lair of one of the conquestor groups.
Daniel said to his replacement partner, a rookie named Mark, "Well, you ready for this?"
"Yeah, I guess so."
"I've done this before. It's not going to be easy."
"I don't suppose so. I wonder if you and Paul had this much fun."
Daniel gave a quiet chuckle at the situation.
They rounded the corner around the alley and headed back into the garage. As they busted down the doors and ran in, they were greeted with shocked and frightened people who immediately started shooting at them, and they, in turn,started firing back. Many people on both sides dropped from the gunfire.
Daniel and Mark were shooting safely hidden by an oil barrel. Dan shouted to his young partner, "Mark, on the count of three, we're going to run back to that tarp back there. Run as fast as you can so that you don't get shot yourself! One...two...three!"
They both took their rifles and ran like hell to their target-the leader's lair. The leader ran out to see what was going on, and ran straight into Mark.
Mark fell instantly, and out of fear, shot the leader where he stood. He fell on top of Mark, dead on contact. Mark, scared as hell, pushed the leader's corpse off of him and started running again. This time, running straight into Dan.
"Whoah, kid, it's okay."
Dan continued to try, in vain, to comfort the frightened young officer, until he saw a young woman come from the shadows.
It was Jennifer.
End Part 3.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:24:49 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Reviews Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970315001652.28427E-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
I just got Helloween's Master of the Rings. Only listened to it once, but I can see how The Time Of The Oath (the only other album of theirs I have) is the follow up album in terms of style and stuff. Of course this is after one listen, and they do have the same lineup, too. Well, songs that stick out from it so far are "Why?" and "The Game Is On" - which ironically came on after friends of mine finished a 4 hour block of video games. From the bonus disc (it's a limited edition 2CD thing) - "Silicon Dreams" and that cool instrumental with some classical type pieces.
My brother got a disc by Masquerade called Surface of Pain as well as The Aweful Truth (2 GC members' former band). Masquerade remind me of QR in a few very random spots. They remind me of a lot of styles I can't quite put my finger on. I suck at describing music. But then it all is really just a matter of opinion. Some opinions may be more educated than others, but each one is deserving of respect. OK, now I went off on a tangent. Well, both discs are pretty good, in my humble opinion.
***Rob*** rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:28:01 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh yeah! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970315002555.28427F-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Forgot to ask in my last post: Does anyone know who sings "Closer to Home" (written by Mark Farner) on the bonus disc of Helloween's Master of the Rings? It doesn't sound like Andreas Deris. Thanks.
***Rob*** rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis (4/6) Message-ID: <199703150712.XAA17862@f10.hotmail.com>
Yet another chapter of our favorite city!
I've just finished the final chapter and posted it to the Transformation Story mailing list. Soon, I will get the rest of it posted here,(but not all at once, so you don't get overloaded :-) ) and then I'll post it to my story archive on my web site.
But until then, enjoy!
Metropolis Part 4
"The city's cold, love teaches us to survive. Just keep my heart in your eyes, and we'll stay alive.
The third arrives..."
"Doop be doop be doop, be doop, be doop...boogledoogleda!"
Metropolis was definitely in the same playful mood that Miracle was obviously in, as he wan't amused by this childish trick.
"Oh, come on, Metro, you need to lighten up a little!"
Now he was really irritated. "Oh, I've just been seperated from my family, I find out my sister's a mobster, I'm supposed to save the entire city, and you want me to lighten up?"
"Good grief, don't take it so hard!"
Metropolis just sneered.
The Sleeper, on the other hand, said, "He is right, you know. Most of the time, Miracle is just a playful oaf, but this time, he does have a point."
Now it was Miracle's turn to be irritated. "Oaf? What do you mean oaf?"
Metropolis interrupted and said, "Shut up, I want to hear this!"
Sleeper continued his sermon. "Think about what you've learned so far. You have experienced death, which brought you here. That was your first dance.
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