YTSEJAM Digest 2345
Today's Topics:
1) tribute, Kansas, AWAKE UP :), ytsegrinding, blow my mind (for starters :), name space
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
2) Finneus Trivia
by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
3) New Music
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
4) Re: I'm a bit disappointed.. I think.
by jandrade@chi.icanet.net.mx (Jaime Andrade)
5) Re: OK, you guys win.
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
6) Brazilian Jammers - Need Help (NoDTC)
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
7) Erics CD Mine/Tunnel F^&kers
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
8) Favorites
by rogerio@taurus.lcg.ufrj.br (Rogerio Pinheiro de Souza)
9) drowning in MTV: this time I think it'd be better if I swim
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) Curses!!!
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
11) CD Cellar? Eric's CD Mine?
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Re: DT touring with Megadeth
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
13) Re: DT touring with Megadeth
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
14) Bay Area Radio
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
15) "Passionate Tunes"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2344
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
17) Oh, and speaking of memories
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
18) Re: DT touring with Megadeth
by "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu>
19) Don't hate me
by luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:43:32 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tribute, Kansas, AWAKE UP :), ytsegrinding, blow my mind (for starters :), name space
Message-ID: <33298E44.28CC@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Just thought I'd point folks at a page (http://www.quackwatch.com/GT/)
that might prove insightful. 40+ musicians put together a tribute to
Gentle Giant and they really have done a nice job (Nice web page
organization as well). Judge for yourself.
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> From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
> Dream Theater fans put it eloquently: "I think Awake was a step down
> in quality compared to Images And Words."
But it wasn't :)
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Pulled out some old vinyl I've had stored away for several years, one of
which was Kansas' "Point of Know Return". I had forgotten how much I
love this stuff. Anyone who doubts whether this band was progressive
enough (whatever "enough" means) only need listen to Paradox, Portrait
(He Knew) and Closet Chronicles (especially the jam at the end). The
similarities in song structure with that of DT's are quite evident,
blending the intricate with the outright "jam from the soul"
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> "Rubina's Blue Sky Happiness" - Joe Satriani, undoubtly the greatest
> song to make love to.
Better than Ravel? :)
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> From: WildKoba@aol.com
> and unless someone comes out with a completely
> mind-blowing album, this is the best thing to come out of 97.
It was our last, best hope for 97.....and the name of band is DT :)
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LiTS - Lost In the Sky (bootleg)
With the new disc coming out real soon now :) , I noticed that "Lines in
the Sand" might cause problems when attempting to acronymonize it :)
Now, I feel it is my duty to make D-man aware of this.
We wouldn't want the Internet going down when dream and packet collide.
I'm mean, just picture a gang of AK-47 wielding, head banging, faq
reading, heavy metal, packet sniffing Vermont teddy bears, uh, bearing
down on your ass, Chris. What are you going to do, toss a mountain dew
grenade at em? You're all done if you don't address the critical upgrade
issue :)
TGIFF,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:51:45 -0600
From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Finneus Trivia
Message-ID: <199703141755.JAA15157@odin.ax.com>
>anyways....a quick little trivia quiz.......who was "finneaus gauge"? and
>how's the real guy's name spelled?
I think his name was spelled Gage. He was a railroad worker who got a big
spike in his head and then after they pulled it out he freaked out a lot.
They told us about him in psychology to illustrate the point that having a
large metal object puncture your brain can have an adverse affect on your
personality. Personally, I think he was just discgruntled 'cuz his insurance
wouldn't cover it.
-robster the lobster,
reigning WWF world champion and inventor of the 'Robster Craw Smash'
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:59:10 -0500
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam (a) ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Music
Message-ID: <0010200000065053000002L032*@MHS>
I found some really cool music recently and thought I share the story of how I
happened to come across it.
I was at CD Warehouse a few weeks back digging around to see what I could
find. I headed over to the "Import" section to see if they had anything by our
favorite group. While I was digging around, I caught something out the corner
of my eye. It had large block letters in yellow/orange on a dark background.
Those of you with Superior's album might be reminded of something you've seen.
I sure was. When I realized that it *wasn't* Superior after all, I thought
nothing more of it and went on my way.
A week or so later I still hadn't managed to get that image out of my head, so
I did a quick net search on the name and ended up at the WWW Music Database in
Norway. They had a few brief words about the group, labeled them as
"gothic/medieval", and gave their first album a 9.7 out of 10 rating. So back
to CD Warehouse I went.
I picked up their first album (not the one that had caught my eye), tossed it
into their CD player, and was hooked in under 15 seconds. The group is "Faith
and the Muse". They are by no means heavy. They are dark, ominous, powerful,
beautiful, whimsical, and driving. If you're looking for crunch, though,
there's none of that here.
It's a two person outfit, so no wild guitar solos, no manic drums fills, no
thick orchestrations. It's nothing like Dream Theater, Fates Warning,
Savatage, Vai, or any of the other people that get mentioned around here most
of the time. But it is good, or at least I think so. If you find yourself
listening to Brave, Watermark, Dead Winter Dead, and Promised Land more often
than I&W, Space in Your Face, and Ah Via Musicom, this might be something you'd
like. The one description I've been able to come up with that people seem to
agree with is imagine Trent Reznor and Enya being locked up in a studio
together.
For those who are interested, they've got their own web site at
www.mercyground.com. I don't remember seeing any sound clips there, but I
believe you can order CDs for those daring enough to order something unheard.
If you ever run across one of their albums, I'd suggest giving it a listen.
I've since gone back and picked up their second album, and I think I like it
even better than the first. So, in a nutshell...
Group: "Faith and the Muse"
Albums: Elyria
Annwyn, Beneath the Waves
WebSite: www.mercyground.com
I'm working on putting some .wav files together for anyone who'd like to hear
them. Only problem is, my e-mail gateway would throw a fit if I tried to mail
them to anyone and I don't have a web page. So, I'm looking for volunteers to
host 2-4 Megs worth of .wav files. Any takers?
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
bkirk@blkbox.com
Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:00:53 -0800
From: jandrade@chi.icanet.net.mx (Jaime Andrade)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I'm a bit disappointed.. I think.
Message-ID: <199703142000.MAA00259@chi.icanet.net.mx>
>Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:55:58 -0500 (EST)
>From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: I'm a bit disappointed.. I think.
>Message-ID: <199703140655.BAA15815@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
>
>Last night, I purchased Marillion's "afraid of sunlight" Did I get the right
>Marillion? If I did or didn't does anyone wanna buy it? $15.00 shipping
>included. Any takers? E mail me private to make arrangements. Later, J
I love this album, is one of the best Marillion albums ever, if you sell it,
it could be the biggest regret of your life (hehe... just kidding). Before
you do that, please hear it carefully, it has very poetic lyrics, pay
special attention to the harmony of the songs. My fave track is "Out Of This
World". Anyway, if you don't like it after a few more listenings, go sell
it, but don't say I didn't warn you (hehe).
Jaime Andrade
"Esse Quam Videre"
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:18:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: OK, you guys win.
Message-ID: <199703141818.NAA11523@acmez.gatech.edu>
D- If it's any consolation, I wholeheartedly agree with you. It'll pass.
Eric
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 13:26:45 EST
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Brazilian Jammers - Need Help (NoDTC)
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+CTN8nA@tcx.tcco.com>
I noticed that there were a number of Brazilian jammers here and I am hoping
that some of you might be able to help me out. I need some information on
internet access/online services in Sao Paulo.
If you could email "cng@tcco.com", it would be greatly appreciated.
PS - Angra's "Freedom Call" EP is rockin!
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 13:29 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Erics CD Mine/Tunnel F^&kers
Message-ID: <m0w5bjj-000B41C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Erics CD Mine?? Can I please have a website address. Tunnel Records screws
everyone over. About a week ago, they sent me an e-mail saying that I could
get a refund for the 2 cd's I ordered and never got so I decided to go for
the Queensryche CD "Silent Lucidity" and a 15 dollar refund. Maybe if I'm
lucky, I'll at least get the CD.
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 15:31:03 EST
From: rogerio@taurus.lcg.ufrj.br (Rogerio Pinheiro de Souza)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Favorites
Message-ID: <9703141831.AA00560@lcg.ufrj.br>
My favorites songs:
Dream Theater - Killing Hand, Metropolis, Learning To Live
Led Zeppelin - Since I've Been Loving You, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Deep Purple - Child In Time, When A Blind Man Cries,Burn
Iron Maiden - Hallowed Be Thy Name, Flight Of Icarus
Rush - 2112, Xanadu, La Villa Strangiato, Tom Sawyer, Lock And Key
Joe Satriani - Why, Tears In The Rain
Steve Vai - For The Love Of God, The Crying Machine
Steve Norse - The Road Home, Just Out Of Reach
Yes - And You And I
Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning, Ocean Gypsy
Pink Floy - Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Vera, Comfortably Numb, High Hopes
Rainbow - Catch The Rainbow, Rainbow Eyes
Angra - Lasting Child
Ufo - Love To Love
And some more.
Rogerio.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:29:49 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: drowning in MTV: this time I think it'd be better if I swim
Message-ID: <3329991D.60E3@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> Thanks to MTV and the music industry in general, we've all be drowning in the
> stuff
I guess, to the extent that one watches MTV. Last time I watched it
regularly, I believe Pull Me Under had just hit the airwaves :)
Coincedence? Perhaps....
I've always gotten much more satisfaction going to the local gig in
town. It's so much more real, no commercials, you get to find out what's
really going on in the music scene and there's plenty of tush in the
clubs, too.
Ingorance is bliss. Tush doubly so :)
JP
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:56:45 -0800
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Curses!!!
Message-ID: <199703141848.KAA14275@ichips.intel.com>
Ya know, once in a while it can get a bit hot around here. All of the
flamage that is spewed about can make this place seem a bit...well...
immature.
I think what we need is a bit more class. More panache! Which is why
I think that when you have the urge to blow somebody's head off with
your computer keyboard, you should do it in a more civilized manner.
I found the perfect place to do this: the Elizabethan Curse Generator!
Hop on over to http://www.tower.org/disease/insult.html and let the
curses fly!
* What do you say when somebody insults your favorite band?
Thou fawning pinch-spotted puttock!
* How about those ignorant people who slam your entire favorite genre?
Thou yeasty weather-bitten pumpion!
* Of course you have to respond to those that defend grunge:
Thou whoreson dizzy-eyed horn-beast!
* How about when somebody tramples all over _your_ tribute project?
Thou spleeny dog-hearted hempseed!
* Don't you hate it when somebody takes Bafu Vai seriously?
Thou bawdy unchin-snouted scullion!
* Tired of seeing top-X lists?
Thou loggerheaded sheep-biting nut-hook!
* Did somebody say that Dream Theater ISN'T god???
Thou peevish white-livered coxcomb!
So c'mon! Let's make the ytsejam a more civilized place! If you
must flame, flame with style! Let the ytsejam rise above the embers
of the internet to become an example of classy sophistication and
dignity, thou hideous pale-hearted hedge-pig!
8^)
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD Cellar? Eric's CD Mine? Message-ID: <970314140418_953210423@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Salutationz, fellow Jammerz -
This post goes out to whomever posted in one of the previous Jams that 2 good bootleg places on the Web are Eric's CD Mine and CD Cellar. Could you please post the web addresses for the two places? I couldn't find them when searching the web. Thanx!
BTW, I was pleasantly surprised to read that others were pissed at the ommission of a couple of those awesome parts from the original version of ACOS on the new version. My wife, ever since she heard the new version, has complained to me about the fact that DT scrapped the "16th note" part. (I'm not a musician, so I have no idea what the hell that means... but I think I know the part they're talking about...). I have to agree with my wife on that one. I am also personally upset at the fact that they replaced that AWESOME key solo at the end with the guitar solo replacement. It just doesn't have the same emotion as far as I'm concerned. I do, however, love the ballz and chunk part they added, as well as the great stuff they added at the beginning of the song. I guess the bottom line is that I like pieces of both versions, but I am not sure which one I like better. Laterz!!! - Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:32:33 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT touring with Megadeth Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970314133226.006987c0@ionsys.com>
>With Megadeth's new album to be released in about 3 months, there is a fair bit >of talk on the MD list about touring partners... Apparently, Ratlhead (MD list >owner) put it to Dave Mustaine that DT would be a cool match... Dave's response >was that he was interested, but owing to music biz politics (or somesuch shit) >it would have to be DT's management that made the calls to get it to happen... > >SO HOW ABOUT IT?!! GET OVER TO THE UK WITH MEGADETH, WHENEVER IT IS!!!!
This would *NEVER* happen, for two reasons:
1) Most Megadeth fans are too stupid to appreciate a band like DT. 2) DT would blow Megadeth off the stage.
** Lars Hellsten (lars@matrixsoft.on.ca) **
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:45:23 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT touring with Megadeth Message-ID: <01IGHVMSX82AAUTGVW@alma.edu>
>From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> >1) Most Megadeth fans are too stupid to appreciate a band like DT. Thank you very much. Fuck you too.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:57:13 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bay Area Radio Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970314125709.006a2cc4@cats.ucsc.edu>
Speaking of Bay Area Radio, anyone remember KOME? You know, the _REAL_ KOME, before they became the lame piece of crud they have been for the past few years. Ah, KOME, the station where I first heard PMU, the station that actually did an interview with JP and MP and one of those "This is John and Mike of Dream Theater and you're listening to KOME" things mere WEEKS before switching to a grunge format. sigh. Hm. wonder if they still have that recording somewhere ...
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:11:35 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The YtseSpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "Passionate Tunes" Message-ID: <01BC30C2.F6DB7F20@Keiko.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Thought I'd send in some "Passionate Tunes" too. These aren't just songs that I find beautiful. *Most* of them even move me to tears, especially the ones by Marillion.
Marillion : Easter, Out of this World, Runaway, The Great Escape, Splintering Heart, Seasons End, Warm Wet Circles
It Bites : The Ice Melts Into Water
Dream Theater : Space-Dye Vest
Queensryche : Out of Mind, Bridge, Someone Else?, Silent Lucidity, Anybody Listening?, Suite Sister Mary
Btw, just read a raving review of Spock's Beard "The Light" in the Dutch Dream Theater fanzine. It says Mike Portnoy thinks they are the best prog band since Marillion. :-)
Mark _________________________________Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/301180__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=] All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:02:34 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2344 Message-ID: <v02130502af4f5e9b1519@[128.32.100.59]>
Hey Dig... since when are Seattle, Kansas, and Nevada countries? Did they secede or soemthing? But I think I get your point thatthe list thing is getting a bit annoying. I mean in the early part it was cool, I could look and see what some people liked and might be able to find some cool new stuff to listen too (Savatage is looking really good) but now I get the Jam and all it is lists, kinda stupid huh? Ah well...
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:16:59 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh, and speaking of memories Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970314131656.006a2cc4@cats.ucsc.edu>
Anyone remember what the jam server was before arastar? It's one of those things that's been bugging me from the back of my mind since the 'con.
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:38:25 CST From: "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu> To: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT touring with Megadeth Message-ID: <E688782CA6@augustana.edu>
>>From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> >>1) Most Megadeth fans are too stupid to appreciate a band like DT. >Thank you very much. Fuck you too.
Right on. Just because you don't like Megadeth, it doesn't mean that Megadeth fans are stupid. And I'd also say that Megadeth, specifically Marty Friedman, could give DT a run run for their money.
-Pat Worrall (Stupid Megadeth Fan who's smart enough to also like Dream Theater, Queensryche, and many other bands. Wow, I can even spell the name right. Pretty good for a stupid Megadeth fan.)
There's no one to take my blame...if they wanted to Nothing to keep me sane, and it's all the same to you There's nowhere to set my aim so I'm everywhere Never come near me again, do you really think I need you And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend And I ll never be open again And I'll have no more dreams to defend And I'll never be open again Dream Theater - Space-Dye Vest +++++Pat Worrall+++Augustana College+++Patrick-Worrall@Augustana.Edu+++++
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Don't hate me Message-ID: <199703142250.RAA01944@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
hey listen guys : Let me first begin by saying that i never expected the harshly overwhelming responses to my rather anodyne, innocuous little midterm-stress-influenced note to our beloved ytse-jam. Actually, I was quite pleased to read the youthfully enthousiastic (yet sophmoric) replies by some "jammers" who shall, out of my overly-tested courtesy, remain nameless ( though they probably are in real life). Neverless, I realize that my molecular bio grad classes and thesis don't allow me the pleasure of writing very much or often, so I'd like to thoroughly apologize to those poor souls whom i may have offended. And if anyone of the poop-heads who took this to heart STILL carry an unreasonable grudge against myself or my comments after this date, we can arrainge a "pleasant" meeting where I may bash your SHIT-ENGORGED HEADS in....whatdoya think??? Actually, I don't give a cheap fuck about any of this and ya fuckin' know what.....NEITHER SHOULD YOU. Love,
Your majesty.
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