YTSEJAM Digest 2355
Today's Topics:
1) Re:
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
2) Re: Sarcasm
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
3) goin' again :)
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4)
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
5) To Jeremy Kube...
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
6) Re: that festering bubble on our heads
by petedz@interaccess.com
7) Re: Spock's Beard query...
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
8) .wav file of metropolis....
by Tyler Stephan Kushera <tsk7039@unix.tamu.edu>
9) Marty Friedman
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
10) Lars sure told me
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
11) Re: goin' again :)
by petedz@interaccess.com
12) Re:
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
13) Re: Wow. You still get pissed easy, that's for sure.
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) Dream Theater sucks
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
15) Avant-garde musicians
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
16) check this out
by WildKoba@aol.com
17) Re: insanity
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
18) Rush tour dates (no DTC)
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
19) Re: The Last Deth (NDTC)
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:53:17 -0500
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970316225313.007bf260@ionsys.com>
>Haahaaahaaahaaahaaaah!
>I just love it when someone you don't like manages to make themselves look
far
>more stupid than you ever could have made them look.
Yeah, I love it when that happens too. It's a real riot, eh? I can't
believe a guy who hates Dream Theater is actually reading and posting on
this list. He prooved my point by mentioning it too. That's right -- go
back to your Megadeth list, KorgX3! We don't want you here.
BTW, it's nice to know someone supports me here. I appreciate it, but
really, you don't have to try and flatter me by referring to me as more
than one person. I know I'm that intelligent, but I would prefer you not
use incorrect grammar such as "someone ... themselves" -- there are other
ways to compliment people that are more gramatically correct.
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:55:24 -0500
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970316225521.007c29d0@ionsys.com>
>>Then why are you on this mailing list? You're certainly entitled to your
>>own opinion, but if you don't like Dream Theater, I have to wonder why
>>you're on a mailing list for Dream Theater fans.
>
>Ever hear of sarcasm...
Sarcasm? No... who are they? Are they prog?
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:34:30 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: goin' again :)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970317043430.009ad684@mail.inlink.com>
had to jump this one boys n' gals, i promise it'll be quick
>
>>people have their own god damn minds and i'm sick of hearing
>>people tell me they dont.
>
>..and then you say...
>
>>its all a matter of exposure.
>
>Make up your mind. It's one or the other.
how is this a contradiction of itself? people have their own minds and
their own minds react to things they are exposed to. how can you like prog
if you've never heard it? and how come just if you like smashing pumpkins
you're a mindless trend follower?
>
>Here in Chicago, there's this homeless retarded guy (I mean retarded in a
>literal rather than a derogatory sense) who writes songs which are essentially
>him yelling the same lyric over and over for between 4 and 5 minutes on top
>of a tape loop of some simple riff. He's got two albums out, and apparently
>has listeners and fans. If I could remember the name, I'd love to point
>him out to you...to see whether you truly appreciate ALL music. :)
>
i know who youre talking about so dont bother with the name. i'll tell you
what i can appreciate about this guy.. the fact that despite his mental
handicap, he's making music, he's not letting that stop him from doing
something he obviously loves. so what if you think its trash and horrible,
so it may sound funny to your ear, i can respect the fact that the guy isnt
letting a disability stop him.
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:01:16 -0500
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970316230113.00794300@ionsys.com>
Ben:
The Jam is boring? It sucks? Well, fuck you! I take fuckin' offense to
that. How dare you say I'm boring! How dare you say I suck! You suck
bald anus! Have you met most of the people on the Jam? If not, how do you
know they're boring and they suck?
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:47:29 -0500
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To Jeremy Kube...
Message-ID: <199703170440.XAA03398@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey guys!
I just wanted to reiterate HELL YEAH with regard to Jeremy's idea to make a
Fix for '96 CD bootleg. That would rule! LAter all.
-Mike Bradley
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:39:28 -0600
From: petedz@interaccess.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: that festering bubble on our heads
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970317043928.006cc5e8@pop.interaccess.com>
>i could probably expose a lot of people on this list to pearl jam <clears his
>voice about the sighs and questioning voices> yes, how many of you PJ
>bashers have ever really sat down with a record?
I'm sure nobody cares, but just for the record (since I've been sorta bashing
grunge :P) another guitarist whom I hang out with and whose opinion I respect
likes PJ quite a bit. We sat down together and gave the album a fair
number of listens. This was before PJ songs were slathered across the radio
waves like Hordes of Locusts (intentional gratuitous use of a cool Satriani
song title). He still likes it. I still hate it. Oh well.
-- Pete Dziadzka------------------------------
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spock's Beard query... Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970316234808.26177574@access.mountain.net>
At 07:06 PM 3/16/97 -0800, someone wrote: >The only Spock's Beard site is >the company who puts their stuff out, Radian Records, you can send for >stuff directly from them.
Actually, there is another site out there as well, which is linked to my homepage (URL below). It's got news, samples, pics. And it's got a place to order all 3 CDs.
Hope that helps
Jonathan Byrne, 1L; Currently 2884th place in 1997 F1 Pick 6 (of 6345) West Virginia University College of Law rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) TAPE TRADES! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "Young man says 'you are what you eat'--Eat well. Old man says 'you are what you wear--Wear well. You know what you are, you don't give a damn" -"Dancing With the Moonlit Knight", Genesis
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:53:00 -0600 (CST) From: Tyler Stephan Kushera <tsk7039@unix.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: .wav file of metropolis.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970316224916.2629A-100000@scully.tamu.edu>
If anyone gets a recording of their percussion ensembles version of Metropolis, please put it into a .wav file so all could hear (actually so i could hear it).
Btw, Who has been doing all these arrangements of the piece, the director, a player, WHO?
thanx for any response...
~tyler
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Marty Friedman Message-ID: <01IGL6T0ZTLUAUTKL6@alma.edu>
This is in response to the guy who said he say Marty Friedman do a clinic and was thoroughly unimpressed. First of all, the reason that some people will say that MF is a better guitarist than JP or others is that he has one of the most fluid and immediately recognizable lead styles of any modern rock guitarist. To say that he is better or worse than JP is rather silly, but I think it's fair to say that while JP can clearly cover a greater range of styles than MF, Marty does his thing, even if it's just his one thing, amazingly well. I can identify most Marty Friedman solos based on one whole note. Can we honestly say that about JP? He's a great guitar player, but his style is more just a mishmash of every other flatpicking style know to guitar-playing man. Sort of a jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none, in my mind. I don't mean to sound as negative as I do about Petrucci, he's one of my favorite players, but I think the discussion a couple of months ago about JP's supposed "lack of soul" had some validity. Although, I wouldn't call it a lack of soul, some of my all-time favorite emotional guitar parts are his. HOwever, I do think it's fair to say that JP is not as EXPRESSIVE with his guitar as some other players. Marty's playing, on the other hand, sounds incredibly natural. He pulls off some amazingly difficult parts, but they don't sound at all forced. However, you seem interested entirely in technique, so let's talk about that. First of all, it seems a bit ignorant to me to knock a player for the way he holds his right hand. Maybe this is the source of his unique sound. But anyway, if it's technical difficulty your interested in, I recommend trying to play some of his stuff before you pass it of as technically weak. Go ahead. The books for all three of his albums with Megadeth are widely available. But don't assume that it will be easy, even if you are a pretty decent guitar player. I can pull of alot of JP's parts that most people would consider to be some of his tougher ones. But there are some Friedman solos on his MD albums that I can't even TOUCH. What's more, even if you can hit all the notes in the space of a measure, he has some of the most innovative, unexpected, and off the wall phrasing you'll ever hear from a pure lead standpoint. It's VERY difficult to really reproduce his sound and get the solos to sound the way they do when he plays them. I think your criticism of him is founded in ignorance and a closed mind because you don't like the band he plays in. So there. I will admit, though, that comparing Mustaine's rythm or especially his lead playing to JP's seems a bit absurd to me. I could tell you why, but this is already too long. Besides, I think it's JP's rythm playing that sets him apart from the crowd, not his leads. -Clark
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:01:57 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Lars sure told me Message-ID: <01IGL7J39TUQAUTKL6@alma.edu>
>>Haahaaahaaahaaahaaaah! >>I just love it when someone you don't like manages to make themselves look >far >>more stupid than you ever could have made them look.
>Yeah, I love it when that happens too. It's a real riot, eh? I can't >believe a guy who hates Dream Theater is actually reading and posting on >this list. He prooved my point by mentioning it too. That's right -- go >back to your Megadeth list, KorgX3! We don't want you here. > >BTW, it's nice to know someone supports me here. I appreciate it, but >really, you don't have to try and flatter me by referring to me as more
Sorry. You were right. My whole point was invalidated by a grammatical error. I may even have mispelled grammatical. If I did, just disregard this whole post, because, really, what's the point? Actually, the point is: HE WAS BEING SARCASTIC, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! I hate to be this way, but a number of people have pointed it out to you and you still don't seem to get it. -Clark
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:26:03 -0600 From: petedz@interaccess.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: goin' again :) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970317052603.006ca8f0@pop.interaccess.com>
>how is this a contradiction of itself? people have their own minds and >their own minds react to things they are exposed to. how can you like prog >if you've never heard it? and how come just if you like smashing pumpkins >you're a mindless trend follower?
But that's precisely what I've been screaming for the last couple of days! If people aren't given the opportunity to hear good music because music industry marketing people decree that it isn't cool, then how can anyone ever make an informed decision? You just restated my point as well as I ever could have done it myself! Thanks!
>i'll tell you what i can appreciate about this guy.. the fact that despite >his mental handicap, he's making music, he's not letting that stop him from >doing something he obviously loves. so what if you think its trash and >horrible, so it may sound funny to your ear, i can respect the fact that >the guy isnt letting a disability stop him.
Hey, it's great that his disability isn't stopping him. The problem I have with him releasing two albums is that there are monster musicians out there with chops and song writing skills and personality and attitude to burn who will never have an album.
Maybe you think that's no big deal, but I've seen it from the other side of the fence. I've had friends who've struggled and practiced their asses off. I've watched them give their heart and soul and literally starve. The most disheartening thing isn't watching them struggle. It's seeing them give up when they realize that no matter how hard they try, they won't get their break. The music industry doesn't just promote bad taste. It kills the dreams of people who are truly deserving while giving a free ride to others who were just in the right place at an opportune time.
Yeah...I know...now I should cool off. :)
<retreating into lurk mode slower than expected>
-- Pete Dziadzka
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:16:52 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199703170528.VAA11870@odin.ax.com>
> Yeah, I love it when that happens too. It's a real riot, eh? I can't > believe a guy who hates Dream Theater is actually reading and posting on > this list. He prooved my point by mentioning it too. That's right -- go > back to your Megadeth list, KorgX3! We don't want you here.
After all this ranting about imbecile Megadeth fans, I am actually tempted to join it. Boy, at least I could sure associate with people of my own cro-magnon idiocy rather than the supreme ingeniosity of this list. Jeez. Some people live in their own little world, and some people live in the real world.
As smart as this guy may seem, I'm willing to bet that my 3 year old nephew could kick his ass at Stratego or Perfection. No common sense what-so-ever.
KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:18:09 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Wow. You still get pissed easy, that's for sure. Message-ID: <199703170529.VAA11887@odin.ax.com>
> No way, I'm serious. I've played on many platinum albums.."Bob's Porno > Polka Supreme"..."Music to Masticate Marmots By" and many others (available > by mail order at 1-800-WANK-BEN $19.95 +S&H, if you're under 18 ask your > parents)
Hey, Ben. I tried calling but I just got redirected to a 1-900 homosexual love chat line? Mebbe someone'll talk about KJ's cute butt there. Thanks , dude!
Speaking of people polluting the jam and bringing it to an alltime low Ben, c'mon, what's the prob? You're generally a better dude than that. Generally. :)
Laterz!
KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater sucks Message-ID: <199703170533.VAA19021@f10.hotmail.com>
About a month and a half ago, on BONG(The DM list) when there was a lot of infighting going on,(Gee, sound familiar?) someone posted a message entitled "Depeche Mode sucks."
It got a lot of mixed responses.
My personal favorite was "do not, nyaahhh!"
But anyway, the point is, it got everyone to focus on just why the hell they were on the list in the first place-because they like Depeche Mode!
I think we need a little wake up call here.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:48:48 -0500 From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Avant-garde musicians Message-ID: <199703170548.AAA27304@darkstar.icdc.com>
>Here in Chicago, there's this homeless retarded guy (I mean retarded in a >literal rather than a derogatory sense) who writes songs which are essentially >him yelling the same lyric over and over for between 4 and 5 minutes on top >of a tape loop of some simple riff. He's got two albums out, and apparently >has listeners and fans. If I could remember the name, I'd love to point >him out to you...to see whether you truly appreciate ALL music. :)
Gaaawl, blimey, the name's at the tip of my tongue... Aaagh! This is going to drive me nuts! Russell? I...I don't remember!
Anyhow, I know a few things about him having heard a Music of the '90s report on the fellow (one of the five that *wasn't* on Hendrix or Marley). He's actually got a *ton* of albums, a lot more than two in any case, and is not homeless anymore. A paranoid schizophrenic, he makes up these songs and then promptly forgets them. His concerts consist of him walking on stage and pressing the play button for a recording. He actually has a band that plays on some songs. They basically play whatever they want, and he screams along. I've heard a few songs by the fellow - the one was about how he was knifed on the bus, the other about being attacked by vampire bats. All extremely humorous (I was in stitches), but one feels kinda guilty in knowing you're laughing at someone else's expense. He's making a lot of money, and is off the streets now, thanks to his music, though...
WAAAIIIT!! His name is, I rember it now, Wesley Willis!!! Yeah!!! Way to kick in minutes too late, Brian's brain!
Hey, I'm done...
Brian Henderson, Caffeine-Free Cyberburlap Classic Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"VAMPIRE BATS!!! VAMPIRE BATS!!!" -- W. Willis
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: check this out Message-ID: <970317005214_-1874010650@emout16.mail.aol.com>
i just saw on one of the rush webpages that rush is going out on tour again....this was news to me, and if it is to you, there's a list of dates set up. i forgot what page it's on, i THINK TNMS's page, but not sure.....i saw it though. thought i'd pass along.
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:01:10 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: insanity Message-ID: <199703170613.AAA07723@Walden.MO.NET>
Computer locked up. Let's see if I can get this thing sent now...
>Are you insane? You can't just unsub after you flame 700 people. Hmm, that has a nice ring to it. I might just have to put that in my collection of kickass quotes.
>i dunno if he has a cat though, wouldnt wanna threaten something i >could stand up to =) Eh, I just wanted to say "I'll kill your cat." :) I think it's something of a combination of realization and exposure. By becoming exposed to things (hehe, I almost said "by exposing ourselves to things :), we realize what is really out there. And yes, we do have the same mind throughout our entire life, but that mind can grow and have a more rounded view of the world. I try not to shut out any one form of music. Some of my favourite albums I didn't like as much at first (I wasn't all that crazy with Tourniquet's Pathogenic... at first, but it grew on me a lot. Same with Iron Maiden. I used to hate them, but they've been one of my favourite bands for about 8 years now). This list has helped me to have a more mature view of music. I try to see the good qualities in a lot of things. Of course, there are bands I absolutely despise that I have tried to like, but that's a different story. Eh, enough of my yakkin'. Let's boogie!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:16:37 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush tour dates (no DTC) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970317001059.3789A@cabrilla.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Sun, 16 Mar 1997 WildKoba@aol.com wrote:
> i just saw on one of the rush webpages that rush is going out on tour > again....this was news to me, and if it is to you, there's a list of dates > set up. i forgot what page it's on, i THINK TNMS's page, but not sure.....i > saw it though. thought i'd pass along.
I just wanted to add some details to this. Yes, Rush is going out on the second leg of the Test For Echo tour in May and June, and they're playing a lot of outdoor shows. A list of (mostly confirmed) dates can be found at the NMS page: http://syrinx.umd.edu/rush.html.
Mark McEuen mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 23:34:03 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Last Deth (NDTC) Message-ID: <199703170641.GAA61755@out1.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/16/97 8:41pm -0800
Hi everyone,
It's everyones fave jammer...ME!!! NOT!! hehe :)
Ben,
Chill dude. I dunno what happened man, did the serious bug bite you or something? btw dude, just because he's been on longer than me, and as I still do feel a bit new to the irc channel (I've only been coming on there for the past what, 6 months) the guys/crew in the irc channel aren't boring and we don't fight. I haven't seen any fights at all.
KorgX3,
Me Tarzan, You Jane :) Swinging in the jungle is fun dude, the wind blowin through your...************ (deleted) just watch out for that tree bark when you land. Ouch!
Joke of the Day:
How many jammers does it take to give a review -- all of them. Half to say they like it and the other half to beat'em up (verbally) because they disagree with them.
Well folks, that offer I extended to lars, is open to anyone who wants to come tell me I'm an ass to my face instead of in the jam. Besides, We can take care of all the problems in 1 swift little irc session :)
Mark *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/FRONT.HTM My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM
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