YTSEJAM Digest 2356
Today's Topics:
1)
by Pschizophonic <Madi@tsrcom.com>
2) Ben Lostsoad / Spock's Beard
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2355
by Functionless art is just tolerated vandalism -TON <yeen@kenyon.edu>
4) Rock on Chicago!
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
5) I'm back...
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
6) Re: Rush tour
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
7) New CHAOS THEORY .WAVs
by yanos <yanos@netwizards.net>
8) Two things...
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
9) Re: Hmmm.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) Re: the problem with prog
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
11) Millie Vinillie blows dick
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
12) DT Italian Tour
by "Alessandro Girardi" <alessandro.girardi@adage.it>
13) Re: Rock on Chicago!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Re: Two things...
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
15) Shit from the New Frontier
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2353
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
17) Songs that make Larry Laffer go "whee!".
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:46:12 -0600
From: Pschizophonic <Madi@tsrcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970317004857.2b2fd5d4@tsrcom.com>
>This is because April Fool's day is coming up, and this is a gag gift, right?
>Please tell me you don't consider this peice of camp/crap to be of any value?!
don't bust my hump....i need it for a birthday gift okay?
Much love,
Mari
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:04:48 -0800 (PST)
From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ben Lostsoad / Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <199703170704.XAA20434@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
>I do remember coming home and reading a jam that was 50% posts
>from some loser 13 year old kid from Las Vegas who never shut up.
Well he's now a 15 year old loser from Vegas who can't shut the
fuck up. :)
>Whoa. For a long time I've seen idiotic posts come and go here, but that
>was the lowest. Where did you go and scourge up that attitude ?
No shit Bennie. What's with your fucking attitude? You used to be a nice
guy even if you are kind of a geek (just joking about the geek remark)
and I enjoyed talking to you on IRC quite a bit. All of sudden you turned
into this negative little prick.
People have said I have an attitude problem at times but I'm 35 years old
and have seen a lot of shit in my day. You're only 15 and you're already
doing your best to alienate every single person you know.
>Finally, if anyone can tell me where I could get a copy of any stuff by
>Spock's Beard, I'd appreciate it.
Try Spock's sink :)
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My member is black, as black as night. It am an ebony Rhythmstick.
You want to see it, you want to see it; here it am, here it am.
It am as big as a 14 lb ham. Thank you.
Poem called "My Member" from Private Parts soundtrack.
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 02:15:35 EST
From: Functionless art is just tolerated vandalism -TON <yeen@kenyon.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2355
Message-ID: <009B1601.8FBA95E0.54@kenyon.edu>
>Yeah, I love it when that happens too. It's a real riot, eh? I can't
>believe a guy who hates Dream Theater is actually reading and posting on
>this list. He prooved my point by mentioning it too. That's right -- go
>back to your Megadeth list, KorgX3! We don't want you here.
Lars,
Why are you such a pompous ass? People can listen to a wide range of
music and like a wide range of music. In fact, a wide range of musical tastes
will lead to a better appreciation of music in general. If you were really
into music, and the way you speak, I assume you are. You're being close
minded and judgemental about varying styles of music. Music would be extremely
boring if only one style existed...then we wouldn't be able to tell Dream
Theater apart from everyone else because everyone has one mind and no
creativity. Musicians usually do not create something entirely new, they are
influenced by their predecessors and their contemporaries.
Now seeing how you're the argumentative and arrogant sort, I will
receive rebuttals from you, most likely filled with more closed minded
ranting.
Nelson
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:20:47 -0800 (PST)
From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rock on Chicago!
Message-ID: <199703170720.XAA21792@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
>>Here in Chicago, there's this homeless retarded guy (I mean retarded in a
>>literal rather than a derogatory sense) who writes songs which are essentially
>>him yelling the same lyric over and over for between 4 and 5 minutes on top
>>of a tape loop of some simple riff.
>i know who youre talking about so dont bother with the name.
For those who don't his name is Wesley Willis. I heard part of his cd
called 'Fabian Road Warrior' and it is truly one of the funniest things
I've ever heard. Menatl handicap not withstanding the album is so bad
that you'll laugh your ass off! Even the Megadeth fans will like it :)
Dream Theater rules! Megadeth rules! Howard Stern rules! Robin Quivers rules!
F JACKIE!
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My member is black, as black as night. It am an ebony Rhythmstick.
You want to see it, you want to see it; here it am, here it am.
It am as big as a 14 lb ham. Thank you.
Poem called "My Member" from Private Parts soundtrack.
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:27:39 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I'm back...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970317172739.006978b4@powerup.com.au>
Hi
Well, none of you requested it but you got it anyway. After weeks of
having an emptyish mailbox I've decided to jump back on the jam. Don't you
all feel better?
Probably not.
Anyway...
Good to see everyone still loves each other, that there's absolutely *no*
in-fighting going on, and that everyone appreciates everyone else's
open-minded opinions as always.
Just a quick couple of comments:
Bought Shadow Gallery's Carved in Stone last week. Absolutely brilliant.
Mike Baker is my new current favourite singer of the moment (although Bruce
Dickinson is now my all-time fave, after listening to Live After Death
again for the first time in almost a year).
Umm, that's about it.
When are Rush/Dream
Theater/Queensryche/other-bands-i'll-never-have-the-chance-to-see touring
Australia?? I want answers!!
See yis
Love Spiff
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:42:07 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush tour
Message-ID: <199703170754.BAA25204@Walden.MO.NET>
I know Rush is supposed to play St. Louis June 6 (probably at
Riverport Amphitheater (site of the infamous Guns 'N Roses riot of a
few years back :)), but I haven't heard anything along the lines of
ticket info (when the crap do they go on sale?!). Anybody know
somehitng I don't here? I plan on going, but I REALLY want to know
when to get tix. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:45:19 -0800
From: yanos <yanos@netwizards.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New CHAOS THEORY .WAVs
Message-ID: <332CF68F.44D@netwizards.net>
Hello again Jammers-
Just a note to let everyone know that I have just updated my UnOfficial
Chaos Theory Website with 2 new .WAV files. These files are from 2 of
the 4 songs that comprise their demo. Ostensibly, these are 2 new
excerpts from Twenty-Four Eyes and Exposing the Nerve. I would like to
have taken samples from newer material but due to legal restrictions and
a personal request from the band, I am limited to material on the demo.
I look forward to being the first to bring you guys samples from their
22 minute epic yet untitled in addition to the other 45 plus minutes of
material in the works...trust me when I tell you that the new material
really rocks and you won't be let down...despite the fact you can't hear
it yet. Check back with my site in a few days as I will post a new batch
of images from their last concert.
Cheers-
Yanos
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 03:09:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Two things...
Message-ID: <199703170809.DAA157819@pilot13.cl.msu.edu>
Well, I'm going to be real downer today. First, I'm gonna get something
off my chest. Lars, I respect your right to say whatever you want, but who
the HELL are you to include the rest of the 'Jam in saying "We don't want
you here." Did someone crown you King of the Ytsejam while I wasn't looking
or have we lapsed into speaking about ourselves in the third person? I think
both of you need to take your juvenile posturing and name calling to private
email. I hate nothing worse than to have to wade through an entire post to
find that it's entirety is devoted to flaming one person and that it contains
absolutely no relevant information. Since I hate being a hypocrite...
Those of you who have bootlegged the Fix for '96 concerts, I suggest you
keep quiet about it. The band has always been cool in the past regarding
boots which has enabled Mr. Bahr to do his fine work. But as I recall, they
SPECIFICALLY asked us NOT to bootleg any of the new material until it has been
officially released. I, for one, plan to respect their wishes on this issue
and I suggest the rest of you do the same. I know most of the band members
are not particularily fond of boots, so if they are willing to look the
other way most of the time, I will respect any specific wishes that they
communicate to us. And for those of you who remember, band members do look
in on us from time to time, so you'd best keep those copies quiet. Don't
ruin this beautiful system of mutual respect for the rest of us.
That's enough griping from me. All differing opinions gladly accepted
via PRIVATE MAIL.
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter"Oh, sometimes I wish I never had a question or a clue to anything All this wondering and this thinking and wondering and this thinking and wondering what I'm gonna do..." -- King's X
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Hmmm. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970317040904.12876C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I don't really want to start a prog vs. metal debate. But to ben, if you really think all prog music sounds the same, then let's look at the flip side of the coin. Being the big metal freak that you are, don't you think that all metal sounds the same? I do. Truthfully, straight metal bores me. I like DT for its progressive side, not because they are hard as nails. I like metalica, hell I even like the new stuff, call me a pussy, but as far as the other stuff, I just can't get into it. And honestly, I've heard a lot of metal from listening to d.j.s at my college station playing metal and it never changes. Metal really hasn't progressed in a while. It's all the same, only the guitars get louder, the singers scream a little better, and the singers who actually sing, sing better. The drums get faster and crazier. Every so often, you find a band like Tyope O negative that throws in something different. Let's face it folks. Yes isn't King Crimson, isn't ELP isn't Rush isn't Dream theater. Progressive rock and progressive metal in itself are very different sounds. Metal is just metal.
Now you may say thatI am wrong, and I am an asshole and metal rules the world, ... et al ... but this is the way I feel. If you want to change my mind, be my guest. Show me to some new metal that actually pushes the boundaries. But for now, it's just metal, it sounds like every other metal out there and I am bored with metal. Prog rock doesn't always sound the same, because it can take a rock form or it can combine itself with metal and the prog music wheter rock or metal is very diverse. Metal is just metal. Ben, I hate to flame you like this, but you are wrong. At least I feel you are. I understand your frustration with the Jam, but hell, whatlse is therto talk about? Dt isn't doing shit except touring in Europe. So we have the European tour reviews when the concerts start. Until then, this is what we have. Chaos.
You want to know what will make the jam better? If me and dream&day start posting 85 times in one jam like old days. :) Now don't flame me for that comment, it was a joke, meant to ease the friction in the Jam....Oh, I give up. Flame away if it makes you feel like a man.
Damon Fibraio Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: KorgX3 <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> Subject: Re: the problem with prog Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970317042650.12876D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Here's what I see with prog. Prog is a music that is constantly changing. Not just cnages within the song, but changes from album to album, like an evoltuion. Give all these bands time and you will see an evolving process happening. In the same way that DT is evolving. Band lineups change, musical tastes change, new influences come into play. Rush was a Led Zeplin clone when they first started. Ten years later, they resembled little of their old sound, they were using keyboards and sequencers they had a new drummer and lyricist and Allex lipheson had a style all his own. Geddy Lee wasn't the Robert Plant imitator of old. He actually sounded like geddy. Look at Yes. They started off by semi-stealing sections of already written material. Once Rick Wakeman and Steve Howe joined the band, there was an evolving process. Genesis, too. ElP as well. DT is starting that process now, or has been for several years since Images and Words. It's an evoltion. Progressive music is all about that. It's not just in the song. It's an experiment. But you have to start somewhere. Very few bands have their own sound out of their first album. And for the record, I listen to all forms of rock, including some metal, some alternative some classic rock, some prog, some pop some top 40, even some of that really cheesey 80s synthesizer rock. I like some jazz. I have an open mind to most music. The fact that I personally don't like a band like Bush is my own opinion. I feel like some people follow the trends blindly. I don't generalize. There are people with open minds to new music, but I know people who like what they like and screw everything else. I know people who change musical tastes with the trends. When hair bands were in, they liked hair. When grunge came in they liked grunge. These people, to me, have no brains of their own, but I don't generalize andhink allpeople are like that. Oh well, it's late. Good night.
Damon Fibraio Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:58:50 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Millie Vinillie blows dick Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970317045425.12876E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
That's it!! i can't take it anymore. Millie Vinillie sucks ass. Who ever let these fuckers record? Wait, these guys didn;t record the damn music, but say they did, and then said they didn;'t. What the hell. Ugly as fuck, too. I hate them. I hate them. They're almost as bad as that Dream Theater band. I mean, my Goed.What the fuck. Why can't all bands be like Hootie and the Blowfish. Now there's an original band with its own sound. Progressive as hell, every album is so different. My God, what the hell. All those Dream Theater albums sound exactly the same. There's no change in the songs, just three bar chords and out, my God, why did I even subscribe to this list? What was I thinkiing? I thought this list was talking about The dream Theater, you know, the movie theater, not some shitty hair band. Bring back reen Day, the greatest progressive band of the 90s. Those boys are musical geniuses. Why did Curt Cobain have to die? He sang so beautifully. Oh, the pain, I can't take it. I am rambling on some mailing list with a bunch of people who have no civilized manners and fight like children. I feel like I am in the WWF or the WCW or something. God, help me, I thought I was... never mind.
Damon Fibraio Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:00:51 +0100 From: "Alessandro Girardi" <alessandro.girardi@adage.it> To: "DT Mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT Italian Tour Message-ID: <199703170922.KAA03904@willy.adage.it>
Hi to all..... I write from Italy .... DT will be in Italy (Milan) the 12th of April & I'd like to know if they will have a support band.... Fates Warning (as in 1995)...It's only a dream :)))))........ Waiting news.......CIAO..& thanx
Alessandro
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 05:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Rock on Chicago! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970317050327.12876F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Somebody mentioned Weslie. I have Fabian Roadwarrior and Feel the Power. He plays a Techics keyboard, it's not a tape loop. My favorite song from him is Shoot me in the Ass. NOt prog at all, but it is hysterically funny. I love the guy. One interesting note is that he used to have a band called the Weslie Willis Fiasco. Real musicians, even talented musicians. I only heard one CD of theirs. It has a song called The Bar is Closed. Now, lyrically, it's the same asmost weslie songs, a verse, a chorus, a verse, a choruss, and on and on with a plug at the end for a business. But this band, in the middle of the song, launched into Tom Sawyer by Rush. It was very cool, they even played it kind of right. If you like Weslie, and I do, call me weird, try to find The Fisaco CDs. I think you'll split your side laughing. I know I do. He really isn't that bad if you keep in mind that he is insane. Skitzophrenic, I believe. And he thinks his music is wonderful. It is, but not musically, he just provides a lot of entertainment. I don't laugh at him, I mean I am blind and I take no pleasure in his handicap, but he makes me laugh in the same way that some of Weird Al's parodies are funny. He's cool, give him a try, he'll definitely make you smile.
Damon Fibraio Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 05:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Andrew Keith Garinger <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Two things... Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970317051133.12876G-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I think the only reason why I would want a boot of the fix shows is for the reworked Caught in a Web, and other songs, not so much for the new material. If maybe one can release just the older stuff, and hold the new material until after the album comes out, it won't be so bad. What do you guys think of that? I'd personally love to have the new Caught in a WEb on CD.
Damon Fibraio Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:24:22 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shit from the New Frontier Message-ID: <v03007801af52c9da57b9@[128.178.99.38]>
Hi,
1st of all, isn't it out over there yet??
> Well, heard Sign of the Times on WAAF today. And I am pretty >darn impressed. A darker sound seems to be continuing from Promised >Land, and reviews from Rec.music.artists.queensryche seem to dictate that >the sound is as dark as SotT, but the album in general is much better >than SotT. However, from first listen, I really like this song. It is a >general Empire/Resistance type song, bemoaning the Times today, but it >has some new things running through the tune, like a little acoustic >piece during the chorus. I'm waiting anxiously for the new album... > > -jeremy
I almost bought it here. It's been out a week now. ALMOST. Just saved $20 because I listened to it. My first impression is that QR have done the same with Hear as Metallica with Load. Total loss of credibility, because I don't think that either album reflects the musicians behind them, but rather more mercantile and commercial puppet strings holding them.
The sound is boosted in the medium and the whole tends to a pop/grunge tendencious compromise. One or two songs are there to reminisce from the PL times.
Now the question is: Load didn't sell nearly as much as TBA and Hear won't as much as PL. How will the bands react? I'm very curious to hear each band's next album.
But, honestly?
I don't think there'll be one.
............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:02:47 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2353 Message-ID: <199703171207.HAA08491@zork.tiac.net>
Yo,
rip said: <various preaching cut> >. well now > i broke out of that, and i can truly appreciate all music. if you cant, > then you cant appreciate any music truly. maybe someone should kick a hole > in your head and open your mind.
To be honest, I can't appreciate all of that music. Maybe this makes me a bad person. Sure people do like that stuff, but I see MTV playing maybe 4 or 5 total bands (that's all they have time for with all those game shows) and when 15 year olds in my Science class start talking about Metallica, Bush, No Doubt as if they're gods, it makes me wonder what they would choose to listen to if they were exposed to more types. Did I ever say nobody has the right to like those bands? No. But I do believe that these bands will die out because they are writing music with no depth. Same thing with all the 80's bands. I don't appreciate bands that put out music to follow a trend. I can't stand 90% of the music on the local AOR station. I recently spent a lot of time listening to the local station to try and hear the new Queensryche and it just made me dislike that stuff even more. So according to you, this means I can't appreciate the music I listen to fully. Explain to me how I won't be able to appreciate Prog, Jazz, thrash metal or whatever by not appreciating alternative?
Adam
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Date: 17 Mar 97 14:38:14 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Songs that make Larry Laffer go "whee!". Message-ID: <9703171438.aa14@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids.
Now I'm going to take all the available bandwidth in this jam to give you all a gentle smack in the face with an ax. I hope I'm not going to get flamed for this, but if I will, I'll scorch your asses and feed them to my tarantula.
I actually have friends (I do!) who like Dream Theater and haven't subscribed to the 'jam. I'm gradually starting to get the impression that they're smarter than I am. Why? Here's why.
My top ten list of the rules of Ytsejam:
1: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 2: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 3: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 4: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 5: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 6: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 7: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 8: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 9: No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed. 10:No top ten (top five, top whatever lists) are allowed.
As much fun as making a list of songs that make you go off is, it's not allowed in this particular mailing list. Another thing as unwelcome is bashing the bands you don't like. Openminded debate is one thing, but slandering is uncalled for. Every band has made at least one song that soneone likes. If not anyone else, probably the songwriter liked it at least at the time he/she wrote it. So, there is a fan for every song. I may like this song you dislike and vice versa, but it is all built on emotions. There is just no way I can tell anyone how to feel. I can tolerate almost every kind of music, but what's do I understand as music, that's a decision for me to make, not anyone else. Also, there are these songs you liked when you first heard them and now you can't stand them. Why is that? Maybe your feelings or possibly the target of your feelings isn't the same anymore. We grow. So do the bands. But each of us grows to his/her own direction. Then there's the worst case scenario, you have loved a band for years and then they release an album that you thoroughly dislike. You feel betrayed and disappointed and you let the steam off on anyone who happens to like the album. There's a concrete warning in these words, my ytsejamming peers. Yesterday I heard and album by whose music has been the soundtrack of my life this far and I felt like my closest friend, one whom I had known almost for fifteen years had died. I still don't feel an urge to call the band names any more than I need to be defensive about them. I know for sure that this particular album will turn this mailing list into a warzone come next week. And I think it will be at least as ugly as the "Test for Echo" and "*o*d" (I still refuse to write it) debates have been in the past. Let's try to avoid it. I swear I will mailbomb everyone who I will see bashing this particular album without being analytical or at the very least civil about it. And the mailbombing, it won't be e-mail. Using the words "sell-out" or the like when describing an album won't be helpful to anyone. If the band decides to turn into a more accessible direction, be it musically or otherwise, it's not my place to start passing judgement. I'm the worst case of a sell-out out there, I've been working ten years in an occupation I very much dislike. And even if I could do something else (which I can't), I wouldn't quit because it wouldn't make me as much money as easily. Call me a slut if you will but that, like calling a band a sell-out is not within your authority. You have no authority on anything else but yourself. Granted, the bands are displaying their creations in the public, thus making them open for criticism, but people should be able to recognize the thin line between criticism and slandering. Of course you can state you opinion, but if your opinion isn't of any use for anyone but you, why share it? The bands do what they do and you do what you do. They're people too. Why is it so much fun to bash a band than to give them credit for what they do. On every band's every album SOMETHING is done right. No more "they rock" and "they suck" posts here, okay? I think we're above that. If that's all you can say about a band, either get some writing lessons or shut up.
There's been one very valid point in the middle of all this verbal excrement on the jam lately. Someone (Baldy?) remarked that we've heard all these prog bands and the vast majority of them tries to sound like someone else. Has it occurred to anyone this might be imperative when trying to get a record deal? What if even the little independent record labels need to stay alive by signing bands that sound as much like some of the more established artists as possible? No label is in the business just for fun anymore these days. Let's face it, strikingly many of the latest Magna Carta bands sound way too much like Dream Theater. Does anyone recall what was Shrapnel Records like in the eigties? Every primus graduate of GIT seemed to get a deal from Shrapnel and SR made them sound just like one another. Do we see a pattern here? Get your three latest Magna Carta discs and tell me none of those sound NOTHING like Dream Theater. Don't get me wrong, I like all of them to a point. I hope you get my drift.
One of the best things about the Ytsejam mailing list is these album reviews people are sharing, without them I personally probably wouldn't have ever heard about Kamelot (a band I'm severely addicted to, can anyone help me to a detox program), Shadow Gallery or any of the other progressive metal artists I'm so fond of. Vast majority of the music I've first heard about in this list is good.
Another great thing with the jam is that I've even got to exchange thoughts with some of the artists whose work I like and I have discovered that they are really nice people, none of them has given me any rockstar attitude this far. Debating the deeper meaning of Dream Theater's lyrics has been fun also (although I know the guys in the band have had some good laughs at our expense), when there was still DT songs that weren't interpreted yet. I'm sure we've found some stuff in the songs the guys never thought of.
Comparing bands, like comparing musicians is of no use whatsoever. Unless the one who's comparing two or more musicians can prove him/herself to be superior to any of the artists compared on this artists' particular instrument, let him either take the musician's spot in the band this musician happens to play in or keep his/her mouth shut forever. Amen. Now, will the ones who play either in Dream Theater or in Megadeth raise their right hand?
I've also been pondering whether the petition was only a test of our unity. It appeared during a pretty bad low in the 'jam, but practically everyone took the time to go and sign the petition. I may be far off here, but even if it was just a test, it showed that for the right reasons, the ytsejammers' unity is still there. I sincerely hope that the petition can work miracles though. A shame, really that the ytsejam DT tribute will never happen though. Anyway, it was like trying to get Yngwie J. Malmsteen and David Lee Roth to play in the same band in the first place.
If you're feeling stressed out or down for some reason, don't take it on the people on the 'jam. It's too easy to flame people from the safe of your nickname and the facelessless of the Net. If you're down, take a walk on the streets and insult someone who's bigger than you and apparently violent by nature. The pain will take your mind off your mental misery.
Another great way to get rid of your blues is to put Jason Becker's "Perspectives" in your cd changer, take a minute thinking how his life must feel like and listen to the overall tone of his songs. Jason is dying but his music finds the heart inside you that you thought you'd lost. There's no way this album won't touch you unless you have a stone for a heart.
All unintelligent feedback concerning this message will be taken as offense. Lack of feedback concerning this message will be taken as a declaration of indifference. All whining about my spelling will be deemed immature unless you speak better Finnish than I do.
And now, if there's any room in this 'jam left, I will post my hundred line . sig, because you all are just dying to see it. I know you are. <g>
Sincerely,
_Mape_
Now playing:Kamelot-Dominion Next one coming up:Kamelot-Dominion (Help!!!) Who wants to take a guess which album I will review next?
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