YTSEJAM Digest 2360
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Yanni (closeminded folk, PgDn now)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
2) Kitaro anyone????????/
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
3) FW EuroTour
by "A.R. Bell" <salyavin@ames.net>
4) Yanni "Live in Hell"......Mohicans / Symphony X / Eldritch
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2358
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Re: Yes Yes Yes-- Rush Summer Tour Dates!!
by "The Wolverine's Den" <mmandel@mustang.uwo.ca>
7) Re: Altura and Ivanhoe
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Arkenstone, Tolkien inspired bands, and ramblings
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
9) NYC: Braindance gig
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
10) Re: Yanni (closeminded folk, PgDn now)
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Re: Kitaro anyone????????/
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Re: Altura and Ivanhoe
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) David Arkenstone, new age stuff (still no DTC)
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
14) Re: new age stuff (still no DTC)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
15) moanjam (c. Kings X)
by "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
16) Metropolis 2
by Purplerx7@aol.com
17) Re: Ben vs The Ytsejam
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:26:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yanni (closeminded folk, PgDn now)
Message-ID: <199703180226.VAA05791@newman.concentric.net>
First, I wrote,
>> And Phil, I still have your David Arkenstone recommendation on my "things to
>> get" list.
Then Chuck wrote,
>That wouldn't happen to be Quest of the Dream Warrior wouldn't it?
No, that would be "In the Wake of the Wind". If you don't already have that
one, you might want to check it out, because it's Phil's favorite, and Phil
has good taste. :)
Now Playing: Randy Roos, _Primalvision_
-Rick Audet
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:45:34 +0000
From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kitaro anyone????????/
Message-ID: <199703180334.UAA25977@earth.usa.net>
Just checking to see if there are any Kitaro fans on here? I think he
is great and puts on one helluva show!.......Dusty
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:41:37 -0600
From: "A.R. Bell" <salyavin@ames.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FW EuroTour
Message-ID: <199703180339.VAA19808@brain.ames.net>
Hey all...
Found out some cool, yet depressing info today. Fates Warning will be
co-headlining a European tour with Conception starting in May, I believe.
Elegy (another incredible band) will be the opening act. Depressing? To a
resident of the States...yes. All you European Jammers...you are the
luckiest people alive. I remember seeing a post about a
Superior/Stratovarius show awhile back. Also, Angra is supposedly coming
(or has been already). I can't fathom what it would be like to see any of
these bands (besides FW).
Hmmm...I'm depressed.
Later...
Aaron
salyavin@ames.net
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:54:11 -0500
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yanni "Live in Hell"......Mohicans / Symphony X / Eldritch
Message-ID: <332E11E3.1971@earthlink.net>
> I may get laughed off the Jam for bring this up, but...does anyone listen to
> Yanni? I had never heard him play and figured that he was just "Kenny G on
> the piano", but I saw his "Live at the Acropolis" on PBS this weekend and was
> pretty blown away. If anyone has any recommendations on his CDs, please let
> me know.
Same thing happened to me. It was actually through my parents that I
got into him. They were watching the same show and my dad told me to
check out the violinist and bassist trade solos (he knows the type of
music I like and actually loves most of the instrumental stuff). I
found myself watching the whole special..Yanni composes some real cool
shit, nothing mind-bending..but cool nonetheless when you're in the mood
for something lightwieght and complex.
It always cracks me up when people see my CD collection and find Yanni
"Live at the Acropolis" next to DEATH "Symbolic" ("Inside Crystal
Mountain evil takes its form..ahhh)
Anyway, Yanni is cool. Great "uplifting" sounding music..fave is
"Acroyali/Standing In Motion".
.also, does anyone else have the soundtrack to "Last of the Mohicans".
I love this one!!! Evil, brooding, celtic music...interesting to say
the least, not to mention one amazing movie.
Enough blabber..must continue my search for SYMPHONY X (which one is
better "Damnation game" or "Divine Wings....." I'll probably get both
at the same time anyhow..I'm addicted like that.)
Did anyone hear the new ELDRITCH yet!?!?!?! I saw that "Headquake"
was released last month and am going apeshit in getting it..I must have
more ELDRITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cheers,
Carlo
--
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"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
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--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:05:09 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2358
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970318040509.00a8a2f0@enteract.com>
>All you guys commenting on my bad attitude...well,
>yeah. It was sort of a combination of boredom and being upset that the Jam
>isn't as cool as it used to be (in my opinion [for all you easily upset
>jammers]).
So like a true juvenile, you bring it to us, as though we care to be
the target of your little problems.
> Madsman: 1st, you have no right to complain about egos...
Please do explain this.
> Now...real DT content, because this is like, cool. (And yes Mads, Ryan
>really DID put 9 new songs on a page! Don't cry, it's okay. They're cool.)
Fuck you. I have a major problem with this, as ANY DT fan should.
The band understood the possibility that they'd be bootlegged. They asked
us VERY reasonably not to spread it around, because they knew their album
wouldn't be out that soon. It's NOT COOL to have music you've worked on for
over a year spread like this, before the album is released. It's NOT COOL
to go against the wishes of a band that played concerts in the US to tide
their loyal fans over. There is no excuse for ANYONE here on the jam to
make this stuff public, when the band asked US SPECIFICALLY NOT TO. It's a
matter of ethics, which you couldn't possibly understand, because you're a
jag off.
I PERSONALLY don't want to be part of anything with that complete
lack of integrity and disregard for the intentions of a band we're trying to
help. This is FUCKED. Of course the songs are good. But this is just so
ridiculously mean spirited... it really makes me angry. It's not possible
to think that the band wouldn't be vigorously opposed to this. Events like
this can prove DETRIMENTAL to a band in the position that Dream Theater is
in. Anyone that absolutely HAD to have this material before the release
could have found it through the various other jammers that had this shit.
To make it available on the web and then to advertise it on the jam in front
of 900 people is beyond low. It's coming to the point where I'm more
embarrassed to be a jammer than I am proud to be a Dream Theater fan.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:06:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "The Wolverine's Den" <mmandel@mustang.uwo.ca>
To: Nickelbag of Funk <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Yes Yes Yes-- Rush Summer Tour Dates!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970317230553.20968A-100000@mustang-a.uwo.ca>
Does anyone have any idea when Rush is playing any Canadian dates? Ottawa
seems to be the only one listed. I can't believe that they would ignore
their home county altogether. Perhaps a summer tour?
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"We live in a world that gives bad names to beautiful
things," Marillion, 1995
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:09:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: David Swanston <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu>
Subject: Re: Altura and Ivanhoe
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970317230805.7887E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Rain King, you'll never ever catch up with me.
I own the Altura CD. I happen to like the music a lot, but never really
got the lyrics, partly because I seem to focus naturally on the music and
have a hard time comprehending the lyrics unless I read them, which I
can't normally due to my blindness. Ivanhoe, I have been looking for this
forever and can't find. Symbols of time, I have on a compilation tape
that a jammer made for me. I want to hear more, can somebody copy this CD
for me onto a high quality tape? That would be cool.
Damon Fibraio
Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
professional dumb-ass
"you can feel the waves coming on
Let them destroy you or carry you on.
You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time
Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater,
Take the Time
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:05:37 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Arkenstone, Tolkien inspired bands, and ramblings
Message-ID: <B0000055467@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 06:14 PM 3/17/97 -0800, you wrote:
>That wouldn't happen to be Quest of the Dream Warrior wouldn't it?
>Love that one. I also recommend the Spirit of Olympus with some
>Russian dude name Kostia (who I have never heard of) and another kewl
>dude named David Lanz. David has a couple albums one of which I have
>is a compilation named Beloved. Real nice solo piano stuff. There
>are a couple of orchestrated songs on there too.
>
>I really recommend Quest of the Dream Warrior. It's my fave.
I really have to kick myself in the butt to get this one. I was listening
to this in a used CD shop, and my first impression was "Wow, this sounds
great! I forgot what it sounds like now, but I thought it was really neat
to use orchestration with electronic instruments. It sounded fresh and
adventurous. I liked the storyline and the liner notes were illustrated
with lots of neat drawings.
I was at a Barnes and Noble (music section) and they had all of his CDs on
the CD jukebox. I read some notes about him and three of his albums fall
into the JR Tolkien storyline. He said that he was deeply inspired by Tolkien.
Speaking of Tolkien, a lot of prog bands are known to have the Tolkien
concept in their albums. I recently got Par Lindh and Bjorn Johnsson's
_Bilbo_ which is based on the the Tolkien theme and it is quite good. These
guys are from Sweden and they play a number of electronic instruments. Some
r.m.p folk have hailed it best of '96. I haven't got a good listen to say
its the best of, but if you like multi -instruments (oboes, flutes, synths)
with quiet and dramatic moments with a folky touch, this may be right up
your alley.
Another band Glass Hammer _Journey of the Dundan_ (sp?) first album has the
same concept. Too bad its out of print. I got _Prelandra_ instead which is
a C.S. Lewis concept album and it a good album. If you like multi-layered
melodic synthesizers, squeaky clean production this one is for you. Some of
the keyboard soloing is reminicent of Keith Emerson. A couple of the songs
stand out, others are mellow and slow to build up. Nice keyboard adaptation
of Mendleson's Fourth Symphony, 4th movement.
Ok, since there some jammers that are into new-age, anybody into Tangerine
Dream? _The Dream Mixes_ is one of the most underrated albums that I know
of. The music is instrumental, new-age, light techno, with great keyboard
hooks. I can't find anybody that agrees with me.
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:13:20 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NYC: Braindance gig
Message-ID: <B0000055469@chicago.orlinter.com>
Hi all,
Braindance is playing a gig (NYC I presume) and I would go if I didn't live
so far south. Here's the info:
*****************************
BRAINDANCE TO HEADLINE WEBSTER HALL
THURSDAY, MARCH 27TH AT MIDNITE
OPEN GUEST LIST FOR ALL - CONTACT (212) 529 - 8034 FOR RSVP
Braindance fuses the technical bombast and complexity of futuristic
progressive metal, the delicacy and intricacy of atmospheric new age
ambience, and the breathtaking cerebral spectre of gothic mayhem and
madness. Given this eclecticism, Braindance manages to create a new genre
of music -
CINEMATIC-NEUROMANTIC PROGRESSIVE NEW AGE GOTHIC METAL FUSION
that is at once both consistently stimulating and widely accessible to all
fans of proficient musicianship and concise songwriting. Originally
conceived as a studio project, Braindance has since built a substantial
following by consistently impressing audiences in and around New York City
with their truly unique concept and vision.
SPECIAL GUESTS OF BRAINDANCE
VASARIA 11:00 P.M.
ZERO SPLIT ZERO 1:00 A.M.
**************************************
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:12:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Yanni (closeminded folk, PgDn now)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970318001027.25319B-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, KorgX3 wrote:
> That wouldn't happen to be Quest of the Dream Warrior wouldn't it?
> Love that one. I also recommend the Spirit of Olympus with some
> Russian dude name Kostia (who I have never heard of) and another kewl
> dude named David Lanz. David has a couple albums one of which I have
> is a compilation named Beloved. Real nice solo piano stuff. There
> are a couple of orchestrated songs on there too.
I also would recommend Arkenstone's "in the wake of the wind." Granted,
this is the only Arkenstone I have, but it's really good.
David Lanz is pretty cool too. "Cristophori's dream" kicks!
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:16:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Kitaro anyone????????/
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970318001324.26060A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Dusty Vestal wrote:
> Just checking to see if there are any Kitaro fans on here? I think he
> is great and puts on one helluva show!.......Dusty
Ahhhh yes. I can finally talk new age on the jam. Kitaro is pretty cool.
I'm sure die hard Yes fans know that Jon Anderson sings a couple o tracks
on Kitaro's album "dream." (1992)
I think Kitaro's best album is the Silk Road parts I and II. I remember
looking at my brother's very diverse CD collection a few years ago and
stumbled onto this CD. I thought to my self that this was probably just
another one of my brother's 80s hair bands. Just for kicks I played it and
was very surprised. This double CD is very relaxing. Would be very
theraputic for those freak jammers out there.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:20:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Altura and Ivanhoe
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970318001928.26060B-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> forever and can't find. Symbols of time, I have on a compilation tape
> that a jammer made for me. I want to hear more, can somebody copy this CD
> for me onto a high quality tape? That would be cool.
Just email The Laser's Edge <lasercd@aol.com> for a copy. They should have
some in stock. I got mine for $15.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:29:56 -0500
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: David Arkenstone, new age stuff (still no DTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970319002956.006a7838@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Rick, in reply to a post I made about Yanni, remarked:
>> And Phil, I still have your David Arkenstone recommendation on my
"things to
>> get" list. Unfortunately, it seems I've spent much of my funds on DT
>> bootlegs over the last several months, so as soon as there's postive cash
>> flow, I'll let you know what I think of it.
Then KorgX3 got into the act with a question:
>That wouldn't happen to be Quest of the Dream Warrior wouldn't it?
>Love that one. I also recommend the Spirit of Olympus with some
>Russian dude name Kostia (who I have never heard of) and another kewl
>dude named David Lanz. David has a couple albums one of which I have
>is a compilation named Beloved. Real nice solo piano stuff. There
>are a couple of orchestrated songs on there too.
I don't recall which one I recommended to Rick, but if I was true to form I
probably told him to get "In the Wake of the Wind" first. Knowing me, I
probably also recommended he get "Quest of the Dream Warrior" and "Return
of the Guardians" as well, just to round out the trilogy. And probably
"Another Star in the Sky" for something a little more different.
And, as long as we're on the subject, why not "Valley in the Clouds" and
"Citizen of Time" too, as well as "Island" (with Andrew White).
>I really recommend Quest of the Dream Warrior. It's my fave.
"In the Wake of the Wind" stands as my favourite, but all three of the
concept albums in the trilogy are excellent. "Return of the Guardians" has
a different sound from both of the other two, though.
Hell, as long as we're on new age music, here's a few more recommendations
for everybody:
Michael Lee Thomas: "Fresh out of Nowhere"
Jonas Kvarnstrom and Stefan Schramm: "Pacific Blue" and "Pacific Blue II"
Kitaro: "An Enchanted Evening"
Jonn Serrie: "Ixlandia," "Tingri"
John Tesh: "Live at Red Rocks"
Michael Gettel: "Intricate Balance," "San Juan Suite"
Pete Bardens: "Further Than You Know"
James Reynolds: "Beyond The Mind's Eye" (this album also features David
Lanz on many tracks)
That'll do for now...
Cheers,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:48:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: new age stuff (still no DTC)
Message-ID: <199703180548.AAA00303@newman.concentric.net>
Phil added,
>Hell, as long as we're on new age music, here's a few more recommendations
>for everybody:
>
>Michael Lee Thomas: "Fresh out of Nowhere"
>Jonas Kvarnstrom and Stefan Schramm: "Pacific Blue" and "Pacific Blue II"
>Kitaro: "An Enchanted Evening"
>Jonn Serrie: "Ixlandia," "Tingri"
>John Tesh: "Live at Red Rocks"
>Michael Gettel: "Intricate Balance," "San Juan Suite"
>Pete Bardens: "Further Than You Know"
>James Reynolds: "Beyond The Mind's Eye" (this album also features David
>Lanz on many tracks)
Heck, I might like to add a couple of other faves of mine to the list, since
this New Age thing is rolling:
Randy Roos, "Primal Vision"
Friedemann, "Indian Summer"
Pangea, s/t
Michel Sanchez, "Windows"
Pat Metheny, "As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls" (borderline New Age,
methinks)
And if anyone has any good Techno or Trip Hop recommendations, feel free to
pass them my way. (Yes, I'm serious.)
Now Playing: Porcupine Tree, "Up The Downstair" (thanks, Kevin!)
-Rick Audet
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 20:37:11 UT
From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: moanjam (c. Kings X)
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199703172038150235@msn.com>
I dont know if I would ever be as militant as Ben gets in my opinions
(although I am not saying I dont agree with a lot of what he says) but
sometimes my over-riding love of DT is the only thing that keeps me on the
list :
I like this list for info on new bands etc. and I have profited myself ( in a
musical sense), news on DT and also concert reports(Ie Fix shows)
What I dont like about some of the shit on the list is the ill-informed
nonsense that sometimes appears particularly the rough ride Derek seems to
get. It seems certain people "have it in for him" simply because his name is
not Kevin Moore. This is immature to say the least : 2 examples
1) a week or 2 ago whilst on the subject of Ethyl Mertz (a quite valid
subject) some deadhead said (rough quote!) :"... Well I dont think it really
matters because I have heard that Derek has not been involved in the writing
of the new material..." - note "I have heard" invariably means it has been
made up by this person as a pretence of muck raking.
2) in the last couple of days someone wrote that they did not like the
direction the band was going with Derek in and they would prefer Kevin any
day.
Fact: the bands sound changed from I&W to Awake with KEVIN in not Derek.
Fact: Kevin (not Derek) left the band (ie not pushed, sacked) because he no
longer had his heart in the music that DT(including himself) had written.
Fact: ACOS was virtually written when Kevin was in the band - unless I am
wrong not many people on this list know who(individually) or whether as a band
made the changes from Subconscious etc. to make what appeared on the CD.
Therefore the "New Direction" which this guy doesnt like can only come from
material which appeared at the Fix shows. Well according to a few reports on
this list the keys were somewhat buried in the mix during a few of these shows
and in any case as point 1 proves this "New Direction" has nothing to do with
Derek as "I have heard" that he was not involved with the writing.
I get the feeling that to some people on this list Kevin has become a God
(probably even more so since leaving the band - ie. notice what good career
moves Elvis, Hendrix and Cobain made by dying - selling more when dead!) and
that Derek will be discredited at every turn no matter what.
Making a God out of a human (no matter how talented) is a very dangerous
decision for anyone to make and I urge some of the people who do this (not
just to Kevin but maybe other band members and other famous people) to take a
long hard look at themselves and wonder if it is a really healthy thing to do.
Please do not get the wrong idea - I love Kevins lyrics and his musical input
(I&W is my fav. CD of all time) but he left DT and to "diss" Derek simply for
being his replacement is highly unfair. He seems a really nice guy aswell as
being very talented and I commend him for the job he has so far done, having
to live up to someone else (something Kevin did not have to do) and seemingly
not losing his head (Some of the shit printed concernig him would certainly
upset me if I were he).
Looking forward to the new DT CD
Peace be with you and humanists everywhere bless you (in a non-religious way)
Mark - DT '97 - prepare for musical heaven!
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 02:40:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Purplerx7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metropolis 2
Message-ID: <970318024014_180344957@emout04.mail.aol.com>
I have been half lazy and half living in a hole in a wall, but what is the
latest on Metropolis 2?
Ryan
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 00:33:19 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ben vs The Ytsejam
Message-ID: <199703180741.HAA34668@out1.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/17/97 12:24pm -0800
Gary Cleghorn,
-I think we all know that Ben is a complete GOBSHITE
-who never posts ANYTHING to do with DT, but i'm a little
-tired of this thread so please no more flaming.
Of course, no more flaming after this geek makes a post
right?...Look, Even Ben flamed me, I really don't care. Before
he left the jam, he was a damn cool kid. He was still on IRC
occasionally and he just as cool then. He's come back to
where, some ass named Lars, had the stupidity to make an
idiotic statement that has no validity. Ben's got a right to
be pissed at all those people who have flamed eachother back
and forth. Ben, even though he's been mad, is still a cool guy
because he doesn't back down from what he starts.
So, ya little pecker head, if your going to flame someone, at
least do it like the rest of us and put some validity to it.
By the time these fights are finished, the jam is gonna look
like Iraq after the Gulf War, with an 100 hole golf course to
boot.
Mark
*You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something.
- Yoda, Star Wars
*I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets
*You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars
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