YTSEJAM Digest 2366
Today's Topics:
1) boots
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
2) LIE thoughts: attention faq
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
3) Re: 2364, no more! no more! (yeah, right!)
by the bitch <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Petition, Fix For '96 Stuff, Adrian Legg
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
5) Rush Tour......
by Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2365
by Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
7) Mailing Lists, Chris vs. Graham
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
8) Mape's reply to my bad traders list
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
9) ATTN: M A P E
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
10)
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
11) don't forget............
by WildKoba@aol.com
12) Ciao
by "Alessandro Girardi" <alessandro.girardi@adage.it>
13) RE: Kevin vs. Derek
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
14) More Fix Stuff...Chris P.
by Michael.Bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:11:09 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: boots
Message-ID: <v01530500af553191609d@[207.79.6.166]>
Hey...
I would like to have a 10 second sound clip of every new song, so I can...
using software... copy and paste each one continuously, making a 5-10
minute song out of each one, eliminating the need to buy any CDs when they
become available. Because after all, isn't DT just repetative choruses
anyway?
BTW, This is straight from the American Heritage Dictionary:
sar*casm (s=E4r-kaz =F5m) n.
1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is
intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:14:46 -0700 (MST)
From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
To: FANS OF THE FAB 5 <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LIE thoughts: attention faq
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970318225500.20685A-100000@email1.asu.edu>
this has not ever come up on da jam so i will be the one to post
something that a friend brought to my attention. i was talking about the
lie video and the fact that is was shot in long island. i also mentioned
the kick ass scene in the tunnel. well he brought to my attention that
the acronym for Long Island Expressway is (drumroll by mp of course)
LIE. now obviously from the content of the song it is not talking about
transportation, so, i think it is a pure coincidence and maybe, just
maybe there is an influence of the acronym on the name of the song.
oh well, the video still kicks serious caribou balls (like jl)
(thanx for the copy vince! :) )
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Rick McMahon * College of Business * Arizona State University * YtseJammer
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"I've written some of my best parts on the toilet, the acoustics
are great."
Mike Portnoy's response to the question of where he
finds that he does his best writing.
The Music of Rick McMahon:
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/ \ // / \ / / / // \ // \ /_ / / / \ /
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:22:17 -0500 (EST)
From: the bitch <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: 2364, no more! no more! (yeah, right!)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970319011716.28656C-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, KorgX3 wrote:
> Actually, I've come to agree with Chris and Rip. Getting these fix
> tapes would be like opening your Christmaspresents early. I would
> rather listen to a clean studio copy of the songs rather than some
> shitty cheaply burned CD pressed in someone's basement.
Good point. I made the mistake of listening to half of Pearl Jam's
album ("vitalogy") through live albums on boots before the album was
officially released. And because I listened to the boot material first, I
tended to like it better than the studio versions. Hence, I hate
"vitalogy". This may happen to people who get boots of the Fix '96 shows.
If you do, you may end up hating the new DT album and liking the boot
versions better. Wouldn't that suck.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:25:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Petition, Fix For '96 Stuff, Adrian Legg
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970318220216.49224D-100000@dante16.u.washington.edu>
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:45:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Petition
>
> OK!! The DT petition is being mailed today! finally....
Finally.
> Thanks to all of you who signed it, and thanks to the
> commitee members who made this all possible :)
> And extra thanks to subtlerage for printing the thing,
> and getting it in the mail, I know that was a huge job :)
>
> Ryan
>
> P.S. THE PETITION IS BEING MAILED!!! WOOHOO!!
The prophecy is fulfilled! The planets shall align! Milk shall never
spoil! The Dark Side shall be crushed forever! WOOHOO!!
---- > From: Pedro Miguel Jr <pmiguel@sercomtel.com.br> > Subject: STOP!!! > > I don't want this trash anymore. Stop!This is one of those pinnacles of eloquence Shakespeare could only DREAM of reaching.
---- > From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> > Subject: Re: Ryan, new DT > > This is bullshit. If DT didn't want the songs heard, they shouldn't > have played them.
If DT didn't want people to tape the shows, they should have said so.
> They know how obsessive/compulsive their fans are, especially > ytsejammers.
Hence the bodyguards.
> How many of you had a copy of Awake before it was released. I sure as > hell did. There's nothing wrong with the fans having the material > earlier than the actual release.
Exactly. I'm sure John Petrucci would wholeheartedly agree. I think the label could use some critical administrative advice of this sort. Why don't we tack it on to the petition?
> We should all have these shows, just so we'll have something > interesting to talk about on the jam, cuz it's been pretty boring > lately.
Try unsubscribing.
> Plus, we all know that having a bootleg of the material will absolutely > not hinder any of us from buying the new album when it comes out.
This is true, in fact I'd guess that hearing some of the songs before the album release would make fans more interested in hearing the finished product. I know I was much more anxious about hearing the officially- released EP of "A Change Of Seasons" after hearing a live performance of it (from Milan I think).
Besides, even if you have every Fix For '96 show and know them all by heart, you still haven't heard the other 19 hours of material the band has set for release for the upcoming box-set.
Adrian Legg played Seattle two weeks ago, and once again I missed his tuning-knob song. The highlight of his ramblings was his description of the recording process for one of the songs on his new album. It includes a low, open-string drone throughout, tuned down to D-flat or some other low tone such that "if you sit on the speaker at high volume it far surpasses the spin cycle on washing machines." As this punchline was delivered the women in the crowd erupted into a sea of chuckles. Some shook their heads in disbelief, while others blushed out of masked curiosity.
Adrian Legg, on rap music: "Relativity seems to have gone the way of this, sort of, shouted mysogyny. But it is quite popular, so I guess they're doing something right... (tuning guitar) It really does make one wonder... (no response from the audience) Then again, maybe it doesn't. (applause)"
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Caler <llc@sure.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Tour...... Message-ID: <199703190628.WAA25012@sure.net>
Any S. Calif. Jammers out there wanna car pool to the CA show for Rush? Wherever it is, I'll be there :). I'll drive. If interested, please private e-mail me? P.S. - I know it would have been posted, but just in case.......If ANYONE know ANYTHING about a DT in CA, lemme know!!!! Thanx.....
I-Van
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Caler <llc@sure.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2365 Message-ID: <199703190634.WAA25595@sure.net>
>Okay, I have decided to become the offical bookey on this one. Anyone >willing to put money on who can get an album out first, Kevin with Chroma Key >or Derek with Dream Theater, e-mail me now. Who will win, the former master >of lyrics and the piano or the new guy who likes the dirty organ? All bills >and credit cards excepted, take the time. > >-Eric
Jesus, don't you think you're being a little harsh on the guy? I mean he hasn't even had a valid chance to prove himself on anything but ACOS as far as DT is concerned. And I personallythought he did a good job. Now if this is just sarcasm as well.....then sorry :). If not ..........then chill the hell out!
BTW- it's "accepted" not "excepted" in the way you're using the word.
(No flames intended in this post)
I-van
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mailing Lists, Chris vs. Graham Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970318222558.49224E-100000@dante16.u.washington.edu>
> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> > Subject: THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS > > THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS > > Every list seems to go through the same cycle:
Fear--Denial--Acceptance? Egg--Nymph--Larva--Adult--Dirt? Motor? Bi?
Spin?
> 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about > how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).
Dream Theater kicks ass! You guys kick ass! I love Dream Theater! I love you guys!
> 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, > and brainstorm recruitment strategies).
Let's cast a big Majesty symbol out of raw steel and air-drop it on the White House! All we need is for the CIA to take notice, and the whole country will go bananas! Who on this list has access to a steel mill? Do construction sites ever leave any girders lying around?
> 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads > develop, occasional off topic threads pop up).
So you see, "Under A Glass Moon" is a metaphor for a visit to the dentist. As the laughing gas fills John Petrucci's lungs, his mind becomes laden with euphoria, and the moveable halogen lamp which serves only to illuminate his mouth becomes the focus of his attention. (I mean, who HASN'T prayed for time to disappear with a drill boring a hole in your head?)
> 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of > information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well > as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each > other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone > -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, > suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).
Any ideas for names? What about MajestyCon?
> 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases > dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people > start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to > quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; > person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more > bandwidth is wasted complaining about off topic threads than is used for > the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).
Who is the list administrator here?? WHERE is the list administrator here?? Stop talking about Queensryche! Dream Theater isn't Queensryche! John Petrucci wasn't taught by Joe Satriani! John Petrucci IS Joe Satriani! Someone unsubscribe this fucking Bafu Vai off the list!
> 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks > an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are > rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; > all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a > few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously > congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).
You've never heard Images & Words? GET THE FUCK OFF OUR LIST!
> OR
Or?
> 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants > stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many > people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives > contentedly ever after).
"I don't want this trash anymore. Stop!"
> Just a little something that was posted to the *cool* mailinglist on the > ax.com server, a few weeks ago. Thought it was interesting enough to be > posted here.
You want *cool*? Try the Itchy mailing list.
> If you don't have anything interesting to say, don't say it.
If you DO have anything interesting to say, for God's sake don't say it here.
> Just some things to consider : > > 1. The words "suck" and "rule" do not constitute a review.
Hahaha, that's hilarious! Itchy you rule!
> 2. There is no "better" or "best". Just favourites. If you say > one band/guitarist/whatever is better than another, you're > not stating a fact but giving an opinion.
Sounds awful familiar.
> 3. Your opinion becomes irrelevant if you can't back it up > with a valid reason.
I like chocolate ice cream. No scientist in the world can tell you why my taste buds calibrated themselves in this way as my body formed in my mother's womb. Thus the natural preferences of man are irrelevant.
> 4. "Because I fucking say so" is *not* a valid reason.
Something tells me LaBrie would disagree.
> 5. When trashing another band or one of their albums, keep in mind > that other people on this list might actually love that band or > album. So, think before you unneccessarily piss someone off.
T-Ride rules. Bad 4 Good sucks.
> 6. Before posting, ask yourself if anyone's interested in reading > what you have to say. Don't post for the sake of posting.
This rule only prospers in a world without pride.
---- > From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: in rebuttal of Graham's post...
This must be Graham Borland you're referring to.
> Nice try. First off, I already commented that the part of that > message that was directed at Ben belonged in private e-mail. Get over > it.
"Lighten up."
> It's not Ryan's place to give the Ytsejam something to tide us over.
Ryan's place is whatever he wants it to be.
> That's entirely up to the band and to the record label. As nice a > gesture as one might take it, it's harmful, and against the band's > wishes. This is not Robin Hood stealing from the rich and giving to the > poor. This is the Ytsejam fucking things up for the band they claim to > pay tribute to.
Are you talking about the distribution of the bootlegs or the mailing of the petition?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mape's reply to my bad traders list Message-ID: <199703190705.XAA02671@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
I don't have the original post anymore but I can sort of remember it.
1. Neil Gallop - At the time we were doing our trade I had emailed him SEVERAL times asking about my tape. The first couple times he replied and then he stopped. If he has a bad mamory then maybe he should start a folder for people he's doing trades with. I'm not his Mother, I'm trading with him and I didn't think I had to remaind him on a daily basis that he has a trade to complete.
2. Satu - I AM VERY VERY VERY VERY sorry that I called Satu a he. I'm not very good with names and just assumed Satu was male, I didn't mean to offend her.
About her personal problems - If she would've emailed me saying she wasn't able to get to my trade for a while then I would've just kicked back and waited until she was able to do it. But I wasn't getting replies when I emailed her so I figured she was blowing the trade off.
About me not sending the right stuff. PLEASE tell me what I did send her. I had other trades working and it's possible that I sent the wrong stuff to her. I don't think so though because the other people I trade with haven't emailed me saying I made an error. if I did then I will do whatever I can to make it right.
I have traded with people on this list in the past, and I feel like I've been fair with every one of them. See I believe what goes around that if you screw somebody that you'll end up being screwed too (and not in a good way). So I've always done my best to do good on my trades and if I get delayed for some reason I make sure I let the repopoent know what's going on.
Scott *************************************************************************** Kill Kill Kill..... the White Man; Kill him until he is dead. Kill Kill Kill the White Man. Thank you.
Howard Stern as Mamalookaboobooday Detroit's first black traffic reporter ***************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ATTN: M A P E Message-ID: <199703190714.XAA03446@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
Mape,
Please email me. I've tried twice to email you but it keeps bouncing back to me saying host unknown.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:28:49 -0700 (MST) From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu To: FANS OF THE FAB 5 <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970319002727.20685C-100000@email1.asu.edu>
>Uh huh, yep. I got two more pubes today. *WOOHOO!* > > >Ben Laussade
hey ben! glad to have ya back! ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rick McMahon * College of Business * Arizona State University * YtseJammer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ___ _ __ ____ _ ___ _ _ | \ | > |_ /\ |\/| | |_||_ /\ | |_ | > _|_/ | \ |_/ \| | | | ||_/ \| |_ | \ "I've written some of my best parts on the toilet, the acoustics are great."
Mike Portnoy's response to the question of where he finds that he does his best writing.
The Music of Rick McMahon: ____ ____ ___ ___ ____ ____ ___ ___ ____ ____ / \ // / \ / / / // \ // \ /_ / / / \ / /---- \/ /----/ \ /---- / /---//---- \ // \ /\ / /---- \ /____ / /____ \____// / / //____ \/ \____// \ / /____ / \
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: don't forget............ Message-ID: <970319024107_1251233782@emout10.mail.aol.com>
don't forget that it was 15 years ago on today, march 19th, that the great RANDY RHOADS left this world.....he's the reason I picked up the guitar....i'm sure he was the reason for someone else here.....fucking incredible.
ytsegoon
********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
".....and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix **********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:52:38 +0100 From: "Alessandro Girardi" <alessandro.girardi@adage.it> To: "DT Mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ciao Message-ID: <199703190715.IAA07508@willy.adage.it>
I have to unsubscribe myself from the list. Maybe that I'll be back in the future.......thanx to all for mailing....... DT forever.......See Ya Ciao Alessandro
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:58:24 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Kevin vs. Derek Message-ID: <199703190758.XAA00138@ms.kallback.com>
>Anyone willing to put money on who can get an album out first, Kevin with Chroma >Key or Derek with Dream Theater, e-mail me now. ---------- I'd put $7 on Kevin, but I already spent it on his 3 song demo tape. What a rip-off!
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: Michael.Bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More Fix Stuff...Chris P. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970319032606.13724A-100000@shakti.cc.trincoll.edu>
Hey guys!
Chris,
Many of your points are valid, but I still assert that for us to suddenly say that making a boot is so wrong, when we've always bought them, is hipocritical and silly. Sure Mike Bahr makes great boots with MP's consent, but have you ever asked James to sign one of them? I've seen it happen and he didn't appear to be a huge fan.
Also, your point about the record company getting pissed if DT gave the consent to us to make a boot is unrealistic. Like any other boot, the band cannot and would not be held responsible for its release. Ultimately, they have no control over what boots get released. ie: Mind Control, Lords of Sound, etc. Also, I would guess that Mike P does not tell the boys at Electra about his involvement with the Mike Bahr releases. Anyway, better that the boot circulates on the jam than the Fix shows wind up on the KTS catalog.
My already-existing point is as follows:
We were asked not to tape the shows. People, quite predictably, disregarded this request. The damage has been done. Why not circulate the new tunes for us ALL to enjoy. Yes, I AM impatient, because frankly, I don't believe that everything is as cool with their label as they have been assuring us. In short, it makes absolutely no business sense for a label to delay production on a band that has two discs worth of material ready to go. That's just my well-founded paranoia, though:)
Well, that's all for now. All the arguments I've seen are valid. Let's hope they all get resolved soo with the release of a new album!!
-Mike Bradley
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