YTSEJAM Digest 2373
Today's Topics:
1) "Loyal \ Obsessive" DT fan
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
2) JP and soul
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
3) definition of prog
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
4) BAD TRADERS
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2070
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
6) irony
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
7) Buyers Guide to the Galaxy!
by HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
8) Re: HitNF
by "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
9) Re: <knock knock> Hello?!
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
10) Re: Buyers Guide to the Galaxy!
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
11) Motorhead / DT vs. Megadeth live
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
12) [Fwd: Re: Dream Theater in Holland]
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
13) "West Side DT Story", speling
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
14) Most Frequently Misspelled Words Top 10
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:53:06 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Loyal \ Obsessive" DT fan
Message-ID: <85256460.004D5962.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
03/20/97 09:53 AM
Has ANYONE on this list ever said this:
" Oh I don't need to by the "official" I&W album ( ATCO ) because I
already have a great open- miked recorded bootleg with those live songs
already on it ! "
Every single person on this jam is GUARANTEED to buy the "official" album
when it comes out. DT \ EW records will not lose 1cent over ANY boots in
circulation.
If the new material is "top secret" and not ment for their core fan base to
hear. Than why have a "FIX" mini tour? With all the points made in the
last week, I still can't figure out why they didn't want those shows
taped. Why were only a portion of fans allowed to hear it ? (east coast
fans) I would love to hear a little more detail as to why, from an
"official" source close to the band.
Look, I love DT just as much as the rest you. Believe me, I'll buy 10
copies of their next release just to support them. Maybe some of us here
are "Obsessive" but if there were a million more of us, DT wouldn't have to
fight the label to record this thing. ( The label would be pushing them to
record it !!!!! )
One BIG, crazy, obsessive, "can't get enough"......AND loyal, DT fan.
CT
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: JP and soul
Message-ID: <01IGPZNVBKT6AUTTNM@alma.edu>
>for a couple of days, now. I don't have the actual post in front of me so
>I'm winging it here. Someone had said in a previous jam that while JP's
>guitar playing was amazing from a technical point of view, he lacks "soul".
> (I think that was the right term.) Whoa!!! This threw me for a loop. I
totally disagree with this, IMHO. Now, let me point out that I'm not a
>guitar player (except for the occasional air-guitar), so maybe there is some
>evidence supporting this argument. All I can go by is how his playing makes
>me feel. I can honestly say that JP has the rare ability to, at times, hit
>notes that cut to the very core of me and move me nearly to tears. I think
>that he plays with more emotion than any other guitar player I've heard.
I specifically said that I didn't feel that saying he had a lack of soul was
accurate. I said that his playing lacked the expressiveness of some other
players. I don't think he has a style that is as easily and immediately
recognizable as some other players. This basically just comes down to vibrato
and some subtle nuances of phrasing. I knew someone would say this, that's why
I pointed out that he is one of my favorite players and I hardly thing his
playing lacks soul. However, the emotion in JP's playing comes more from
carefully selecting the perfect note in every instance instead of just letting
go. He is much more controlled than some other players, which sometimes makes
his playing harder to identify. But this is just the way I think of it.
-Clark
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:22:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: definition of prog
Message-ID: <01IGQ060CTL0AUTTNM@alma.edu>
>To the guy who seem to have problems with the word "Proggressive", I can
>only say:
>You can believe whatever you think. If you want VanHalen to be counted as a
>Prog-band, well....Do so, but my opinion is that the word proggressive only
>fit to those bands usually discussed here, like DT, FW, QR, and so on......
This is exactly what I'm talking about. What you wrote above is not an
argument. And if you had read what I wrote at all, you would realize that I
don't think Van Halen is a prog band, but by the definition used on this list,
they clearly are. A little reasoning to back up your statement would have
been nice.
-Clark
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:14:20 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BAD TRADERS
Message-ID: <v03007804af5710ecf01e@[128.178.99.38]>
Hiya all jamanutz,
How come people complain about bad traders not answering their private
mails and then they suddenly start mailing each other via the jam to find a
solution ???? Just take this to where it belongs:
T O P R I V A T E M A I L
While I'm at it: trading is simple; have the time or not, you must have the
decency to reply others' e-mails. Be a bad trader, but don't be an asshole.
L8r,
.................................
DAVE KING
bass & harmony
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:02:22 -0500
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam (a) ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2070
Message-ID: <0010200000097674000002L042*@MHS>
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:25:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Holiday Shows
> Message-ID:
<Pine.A41.3.95b.961203012437.23418B-100000@dante09.u.washington.edu>
>
> I just spoke with someone close to the band. They have asked me to pass on
> a request.
>
> ----------
>
> PLEASE do not record any of the upcoming shows. The band will be
> showcasing new material, none of which has been released. It would be
> very, very messy if any of the new material were recorded and passed
> around, or if any of it were to end up on a mass-produced compact disc.
>
> There is a line in the tour rider (Ex: once upon a time, Van Halen had a
> line in their tour rider that a large bowl of M&Ms be kept in the dressing
> room with all green M&Ms removed) regarding a crackdown on taping
> equipment. The door-guards have been instructed to form everyone into a
> single admission line and pad everyone down heavily and search all
> handbags. Anyone discovered with recording equipment of any sort, before
> or during the show, will have these items confiscated.
>
> ----------
So, there you have it. The original "No Taping" request, as it appeared in Jam
2070.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
bkirk@blkbox.com
Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:36:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: irony
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970320103426.14089B-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I find it ironic that there are more digests per day when we have
"nothing to talk about" or are "bored." Not complaining, just saying is
all...
***Rob***
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:45:57 +0100
From: HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Buyers Guide to the Galaxy!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970320164557.006779a4@mailer.student.gu.se>
Where did the progressive stuff go?
Buy Queensryche- hear in the now frontier....
...but beware all progressive fans out there.
There are some traces of progressive material, but the first thing I thought
about, when I heard the whole album was a mix between Def Leppards Slang and
metallicas Load. but I think that it is a really good album that will grow
with more listening...
Im longing for some new prog stuff, hard and heavie- like DT, Threshold or
Symphony X....give me some ideas...
HoT
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:51:34 0
From: "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: HitNF
Message-ID: <9703201650.AA08278@sphinx>
On 20 Mar 97, akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch wrote about "HitNF":
> > HitNF has touches of Soundgarden, but also Bowie, "Promised Land", Beatles,
> > you name it (I just noticed a touch of The Cult circa "Love" era & some REO
> > Speedwagon/Journey sort of feel)... but the main difference is the overall
> > sound... the drums sound more like the live sound for the MTV Unplugged
> > stuff, like... it's easier to imagine Scott playing his drum parts on a 4
> > piece than on the huge bastard from the Building Empires tour... overall it
> > has a less polished sound, more like a real band playing, relying on the
> > notes rather than the sounds...
>
> Suprising is one thing, but as long as you don't lose yourself in the process.
..don't you think that maybe PL was a turning point given the disturbed state
of much of the content... with hindsight can't you see that they were bound to
have made a change to the direction / sound?
> Bowie, Beatles, SGarden, Cult, MTV, etc.
Please don't take the MTV comment out of context... the context remember is the
drum sound on QR's unplugged set...
> hmmm....couldn't there be some QR in there please? Oh yeah, PL? One song
> that's all.
Strange, I meant the whole fuckin' album!
I also wrote this during the 3rd listen, & have since found more & more that is
definitive QR, but the point I was making is that it has evolved into a more
basic sound... up to this point, I feel that each album has sounded more
polished, although taking different directions at the same time... the feel to
HitNF is totally different to anything before & takes in more influences than
I've noticed before, altho' they are such small clips of influence it would be
unwise to accuse them of copying any particular idea...
> Dammit, this is supposed to be a QR album, not a redigest-revomited
> best-of-what-works album.
Didn't I say something about every album being different? QR have *not*
rehashed anything as far as I can hear (& I have been listening to it a hell of
a lot over the last couple of days...),,, I don't believe your above comment is
at all relevant... This is a QR album, & it is another damn fine one at that!
> And the comment about sound is quite crappy: "relying on the notes"??! what
> the heck is that supposed to mean in the 90s where sound is more and more an
> ingredient in success compared to pure musicianship?
It means the same in the 90's as it would mean if I'd said it in the fuckin'
80's... Instead of having a highly polished sound, the sound has a more
natural feel, like you hear the natural notes rather than the processed
effect... maybe it is grungier, but how the hell do you get a more basic &
heavy sound without being compared to grunge... it sure doesn't sound like
Nirvana (thank god), & I cannot pin any particular style to it...
> Don't fool yourself, be there good or bad sound, there's always been a real
> band playing, and a hell of a band who I bet don't give donkey's shit about
> relying on whatsoever.
What do you take me for, a fuck-wit? No, don't answer that...
> Please re-read what you've just wrote before pressing the SEND button next
> time.
..oh you just did... I am not some brainless twat... I stand by what I said &
if you don't understand what I am saying then don't fuckin' bother
commenting... you could try asking me to clarify...
> I think on the contrary to what you wrote, that QR have been more and
> more adventurous on the sound side and diverse album after album.
Fuckin' hell, we agree on something, & it is not contrary to what I wrote... QR
have been more diverse on this album TAKING IN A SHIT LOAD OF INFLUENCES
whether they did so consciously or not... They have been more adventurous on
the sound for HitNF by choosing a feel that nobody really expected... & it has
worked a fuckin' treat...
> I insist however that QR are playing safe on the genre side, and that's the
> the most unsafe attitude to have.
QR are song writers/performers in an almost pure sense... they write music with
lyrics that speak, unlike DT (who are my other big favourite band, before I get
flamed for this) who write music that speaks more than the lyrics... IN MY
OPINION... If QR "play it safe" in the genre then it is because they say what
they wanna say, then leave, whereas DT paint some incredible pictures... I love
'em both...
Laterz
Eddie };-)~
- Hidden DOS secret: add BUGS=OFF to your CONFIG.SYS
- "Hit any user to continue."
- "It is easier to get forgiveness than permission."
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:02:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: <knock knock> Hello?!
Message-ID: <01IGQ3CVBLDYAUTR0I@alma.edu>
>>This is ridiculous.
So is being a prog fan without knowing what prog is.
>>>>>>>
I never said I was a prog fan
>Duh. A country fan could give us at LEAST as good of an argument as we
>could on why our respective music is better than theirs. It's just that
>different people like different music, don't sweat it.
>
This was exactly my point.
> Don't dislike music because you think people want you to dislike it. It>sucks. You talk down as if only lesser beings like country or alternative.
>I like both..and we all know how great I am, dammit!
What The hell does that mean, "Don't dislike music because you think people wantyou to dislike it" ? You're a fucking idiot. Read what I wrote. I'm not even
going to respond to this. Your posts are funny sometimes, but I guess this is
what happens when you actually try to think.
I admit that my first post about this was not well put. I wrote is late
at night and I was really rambling. But if everyone agrees that the definition
of "prog" is that the bands keep changing their sound, then my question is
this: can a band be progressive on its first album? And how can someone say
something "sounds kind of proggy" if the word only means that it all sounds
different. I still say that this definition includes every band on the face of
the planet except maybe ACDC.
-Clark
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:45:01 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Buyers Guide to the Galaxy!
Message-ID: <199703201745.CAA11143@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
At 9:00 AM 97.3.20 -0800, HoT wrote:
>Where did the progressive stuff go?
>
>Buy Queensryche- hear in the now frontier....
>
>...but beware all progressive fans out there.
>
>There are some traces of progressive material, but the first thing I thought
>about, when I heard the whole album was a mix between Def Leppards Slang and
>metallicas Load. but I think that it is a really good album that will grow
>with more listening...
Well,I haven't heard it yet. But it seems there's no need for listening
it........Cuz, I don't like both Slang and Load album. Nnn.......
>
>Im longing for some new prog stuff, hard and heavie- like DT, Threshold or
>Symphony X....give me some ideas...
Here's what I want to write this time.
You ('Jammer) better check Symphony X. They are talented band. They
released 3 albums so far. I think the latest one is the first choice---some
kind of CD that opens door for you to SX world. Michael Romeo (Guitar)
rules. He classifies as neo-classical guitar player-----Yngwie, Impellitter
i, Joe Stump....... And vox reminds me of Zach (Savatage). And in case you
know about 'em well,have you ever checked MR's solo album and Phantom's
Opera's album? Check those discs,too!
And about Threshold (UK), I don't like them. A lack of HOOK in songs..
Don't you think that?
In my CD player:Paraphernalia/FM
In my LD player:Evangelion Genesis 0:10
Thanks for spending your precious time for reading this lame mail.
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:41:05 -0800 (PST)
From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Motorhead / DT vs. Megadeth live
Message-ID: <199703201941.LAA12684@sweden.it.earthlink.net>
>Caught Motorhead live yesterday. It's amazing how they still rock after all
>these years.
YESSSSSSSSSs!!!!!! Motorhead kicks serious ass!!! I saw these guys with Alice
Cooper in 1988 and it was an incredible double bill.
>As for DT blowing Megadeth off the stage, I'd have to say YES! I like
>Megadeth, but let's face it; they are pretty boring live.
Well, I've never seen DT live personally I have several of their shows on video
and I saw Megadeth in concert in 1987 and I would say that both bands have about
the same stage prescence. The only person that really moves around in DT is
Petrucci, Myung just pretty much stands there and most of the time JLB is just
standing in one place except when there's a solo when he leaves the stage. This
isn't a slam on DT, after all to me it's the music that's most important. But
to say they have more of stage prescence.....
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Kill Kill Kill the White Man. Thank you.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:01:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: To Dream Theater Forever <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Dream Theater in Holland]
Message-ID: <333197AB.59E2@mailstorm.dot.gov>
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I'm forwarding along (crossing fingers :) to the list in the hopes that
any fellow European jammers might be able to know where to find Peter, a
fellow On Reflection (Gentle Giant list) member get tickets. As you can
all see, Peter likes to rock hard!!! Some come on, guys, hook him up :)
Regards,
Jon
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> Monday, April 14th > Melkweg - Amsterdam, Holland > > Tue and Wed, April 15 & 16th > Noorderlight - Tilburg, Holland >
> Important Note: Things can still change at this stage (dates, venues, > etc.) There is the possibility > of one more German show being added on the front of the tour. > > > I saw this tour here in the states. They do a different version of a > familiar song and they've called it " Caught in Alice's 9-inch Tool > Garden" :) Hope you are able to pick up tickets!!! > > > Regards, > Hello Jon,
Thanks for the info, but the shows are all sold out. This and the fact that the Steve Vai gig (for which I had tickets!) is cancelled doesn't put me in a good mood!
Hope to have better luck next time.
Is there a new Dream Theater album coming out in teh near future?
Greetings,
Peter
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Date: 20 Mar 1997 15:08:40 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "West Side DT Story", speling Message-ID: <199703202005.MAA00578@odin.ax.com>
As I read the various posts from the YtseJets and the YtseSharks, a song popped into my tiny, ineffective brain:
(to the tune of "America" from _West Side Story_)
Lots of infighting on Yit-See-Jam Portnoy asked nicely on Yit-See-Jam "Don't trade the Fix boots on Yit-See-Jam" Or Skadz will kick you off Yit-See-Jam
"Let's make a tribute on Yit-See-Jam" Jazzmin and Vince said on Yit-See-Jam "No," said the vet'rans of Yit-See-Jam "That failed before on the Yit-See-Jam"
"No DT content on Yit-See-Jam" "Ev'ry two hours a Yit-See-Jam" "Why'd I subscribe to the Yit-See-Jam?" "I'm getting off of the Yit-See-Jam"
Tah-check and D-Man on Yit-See-Jam Al B. and Pat on the Yit-See-Jam Bafu is funny on Yit-See-Jam All of these things make our Yit-See-Jam
Bear with us here on the Yit-See-Jam Things will improve on the Yit-See-Jam No list is better than Yit-See-Jam I love it here on the Yit-See-Jam
Oh, the hell with it. You get the idea:) And if you want my rendition of "The Rumble," well, it's been done. Just reread the last ten digests.
In other news, Raivo Hool, esteemed Estonian, wrote: YT>> HYPOCRISY. This is easily the most frequently misspelled word on YT>> this jam and it hurts to see the mistake repeated so often. YT>I think not. It comes second, with "definitely" spelled with an A YT>coming first. Oh, and almost forgot our beloved and thus constant YT>misuse of "they're", "there", "their" and so forth. Not to mention YT>"its" spelled as "it's"... ;-)
C'mon - proper written English is not the first language of most Americans. Cut 'em a little slack, ok, Raivo? ;)
Thanks for listening, friends:)
The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:52:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Most Frequently Misspelled Words Top 10 Message-ID: <199703202052.PAA01074@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I must respond and give my opinion to what was posted in a recent jam. First of all, this is not a spelling bee nor a college english composition class. :) Secondly, I think that if you spell the word wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about it. Like some teacher is going to slap you on the hand with a ruler 5 times because you spelled something wrong. What I am trying to say is. I am not writing a thesis for my masters degree when I write to the jam. I am writing quickly so I can post down all of my thoughts and share them with fellow jammers. I am not an english major and neither are 99% of the other jammers. So chill man. The point got across. The words might have been spelled wrong but that's okay. It's not like we are writing to the President or something. (although it would be kind of neat to write a letter to the President asking for education reform and spell all the words wrong. That I think would get something going in their minds! :) Later, J
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